<wpwrak>
ah, that's useful, thanks ! i'll have to wrestle with DT for atben, too
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<DocScrutinizer05>
>>We found out the hard way with DT that it's not really possible to have a stable ABI while simultaneously trying to figure out how to describe things in the first place<<
<DocScrutinizer05>
and since things will not stop changing, the ABI will neither, I might add
<wpwrak>
well, it will slow down. interfaces in linux never stop changing. that's a feature, not a bug.
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's always the N+1th hardware hack you didn't think of
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess I'm just no fan of a "one size fits all" approach for kernels
<DocScrutinizer05>
while same time guys like Poettering pushing actively to "fork" away from a common unix base
<DocScrutinizer05>
in my book the kernel should be tailored to fit the particular hw platform, so a uniform unix userland can run on top of it
<DocScrutinizer05>
current movement seems to go the opposite direction
<DocScrutinizer05>
doesn't make sense to me
* DocScrutinizer05
waits for Poettering: "Posix is EVIL and must die"
<DocScrutinizer05>
and coming up with a kernel that's some extensions to systemd
<wpwrak>
i somehow don't think he'll find it easy to convince Linus to allow that to happen :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think poettering already ignores Linus
<DocScrutinizer05>
or has a dedicated notion about him
<DocScrutinizer05>
he for sure has a negative notion about LSB
<DocScrutinizer05>
and why bother Linus when we simply abolish the kernel all together and replace it by something that finally gives us localization and audio over ethernet in bootmenu
<DocScrutinizer05>
system calls only via dbus, and Qt is the only allowable toolkit to implement any binaries
<wpwrak>
then let him make his PoetterOS and live happily ever after ... in a land far far away ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
on the dark side of the moon please
<wpwrak>
you should encourage him. the faster he progresses, the sooner you'll be rid of him :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
that might be true, he's just not fast enough to piss everybody same time
<DocScrutinizer05>
we almost forgot already about avahi and PA
<DocScrutinizer05>
and fake /usr sneaks in to every distro already
<wpwrak>
maybe he's one of those moles MS sent out. it worked for Nokia.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, we suspected that for quite a while now
<DocScrutinizer05>
prolly doesn't work without PA and X11
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm just waiting for the wizard
<wpwrak>
maybe he can cast a spell and turn poettering into a frog
<DocScrutinizer05>
nah, the systemd-wizard
<DocScrutinizer05>
with a little animated penguin instead of that paperclip
<DocScrutinizer05>
Franz Klammer
* DocScrutinizer05
goes bathroom, throwing up a bit
<wpwrak>
now you're insulting our national icons
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<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly though, who needs console when the init process (systemd) needs to start up wayland anyway
<DocScrutinizer05>
soon linux won't run on anything that can't drive at least a 800*480 565RGB display
<wpwrak>
who needs a keyboard to enter ASCII if you could do an interpretative dance on the touch screen ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
since systemd can't boot the system
<wpwrak>
no, that's PoetterOS that won't run on that old stuff. it'll only run on systems beyond the singularity
<DocScrutinizer05>
we already learned that udev is not needed anymore and /usr is vintage obsolete legacy since nowadays every system has at least 10GB on /
<wpwrak>
and / is best kept in a RAM disk
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<wpwrak>
actually, why not store it in the GPU's copious memory
<DocScrutinizer05>
since otherwise you don't get decent response times on the screen reader that reads the kernel's console output for you
<DocScrutinizer05>
or do you hate blind people?? tell me do you hate blind people?
<DocScrutinizer05>
what a disgrace for mankind
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's FREEEEEE, you get it all for FREEEEEEE
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd honestly not be surprised when actually somebody shoots him down one day
<wpwrak>
they're not threaded so that each can have its own thread (otherwise things would get very messy if there's a significant number of responses)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
would any of you have a hint where to source Molex 5000246471 in low Qty of maybe 500?
<paul_boddie>
Although that looks quite like fun, and respect to them for not using stupid Flash videos with idiot "Yikes! Download Adobe Garbage!" messages from hipster sites.