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<apelete> Good morning everyone
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<larsc> morning
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<apelete> larsc: thinking about submitting the fix for hnp upstream, so that review can start asap
<apelete> do you think that's a good idea or not ?
<larsc> probably a good idea
<apelete> larsc: any advice on how to proceed ?
<larsc> git format-patch; git send-email ;)
<apelete> larsc: nice, thanks :-)
<apelete> will let you know before doing it, probably tonight after work
<apelete> larsc: what kernel version and tree should the fix be rebased on ?
<apelete> latest 3.13-rcX ? linus' tree or someone else's (felipe balbi maybe) ?
<larsc> the later
<larsc> check the MAINTAINERS file
<larsc> there is probably a git tree for USB
<apelete> yeah, felipe is the maintainer for musb, and he's got a tree for usb
<apelete> larsc: will mirror his tree and rebase the fix on it, thanks
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<DocScrutinizer05> what's the problem with HNP?
<DocScrutinizer05> (not that in real life HNP is *ever* used. But I seen it working when we experimented with H-E-N prototypes)
<DocScrutinizer05> larsc: ^^^
<larsc> that the board doesn't have HNP support
<larsc> but the linux kernel assumes it has
<DocScrutinizer05> oh well
<DocScrutinizer05> aaah
<DocScrutinizer05> ok
<larsc> easy to fix
<DocScrutinizer05> makes sense to kick it out then
<DocScrutinizer05> nobody needs HNP
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<DocScrutinizer05> at least I hope no silly printer is using HNP to switch the camera from USB-A to mass-storage to download the pictures to print
<DocScrutinizer05> it's a brainfart concept
<DocScrutinizer05> you'll need it when you want a USB-OTG stamp from USBcert
<DocScrutinizer05> but OTG is overengineered anyway
<wpwrak> HNP is what happens when you let the intern design your OTG:
<wpwrak> the intern thinks about it for a moment, realizes that host/device role could be communicated simply through the ID pin, and drafts that up. hands the draft to the experts on the same day.
<DocScrutinizer05> HNP is about overriding the ID assignment
<wpwrak> they look at it and are HORRIFIED. where's all the complexity ? what is there to make their jobs look important ? what to make the certificate a difficult and therefore worthwhile goal ?
<wpwrak> then they go in to design HNP. and the world is whole again :)
<wpwrak> s/in/on/
<qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "then they go on to design HNP. and the world is whole agaon :)"
<DocScrutinizer05> HNP is defined as swapping A/B roles as defined by ID pin
<wpwrak> yes, i know :)
<wpwrak> at least that's what it says
<DocScrutinizer05> without ID there's no HNP really
<DocScrutinizer05> when you use a USB hardware that doesn't care about ID then it's not OTG and thus doesn't need to bother about HNP
<wpwrak> it's true purpose is to add the complexity that was forgotten in that silly ID pin concept. you have to uphold the brand reputation, don't you ? USB - certified complexity
<wpwrak> s/it's/its/ # damn
<qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "its true purpose is to add the complexity that was forgotten in that silly ID pin concept. you have to uphold the brand reputation, don't you ? USB - certified complexity"
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<apelete> larsc: hi
<larsc> hi
<apelete> larsc: I just rebased the hnp patch on top of felipe balbi's master branch
<apelete> been wondering, how to test it since there is no qi_lb60_defconfig file upstream ?
<apelete> what config file should I use to do a test build before submitting ?
<larsc> I think you can just copy the qi_lb60_defconfig
<apelete> ok, that's what I did actually, and it builds, but how is the kernel community going to test it ?
<larsc> they'll have to trust you
<larsc> You can test the patch without the hardware anyway
<apelete> ok, fine :-)
<larsc> s/can/can't/
<qi-bot> larsc meant: "You can't test the patch without the hardware anyway"
<larsc> that makes more sense
<apelete> I will try it on the nanonote on my side before submitting it
<apelete> yeah, just thought about asking you before doing something stupid ;-)
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<wpwrak> s/it's/its/ # damn
<wpwrak> oops
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<apelete> larsc: what do you think about it ? -> http://paste.debian.net/66683/ http://paste.debian.net/66684/
<apelete> shouldn't you be in Cc: ?
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<DocScrutinizer05> roh: ping
<DocScrutinizer05> roh: CCC?