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<whitequark> !seen cde
<qi-bot> whitequark, cde (~cde@fsf/member/cde) was last seen quitting #milkymist 6 days 18 hours 26 minutes ago (03.11. 19:59) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending some time there.
<whitequark> anyone knows his email?
<whitequark> oh, he's online.
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<ysionneau> hum, wernermisc repository is still down
<ysionneau> or is it just me?
<ysionneau> git clone git://projects.qi-hardware.com/wernermisc.git
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<kyak> works fine here
<kyak> viric: md5sum for filegive 0.6 doesn't match
<kyak> don't tell me you are silently substituting releases :)
<larsc> probably just the NSA
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<larsc> well, lets hope that the apology is sincere and not just a publicity stunt
<ysionneau> oh, maybe my firewall ...
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<wpwrak> (ubuntu) that's roughly what i suspected. doesn't really make sense in any other way. they may be doing many questionable things, but i don't think they're stupid enough to try censorship.
<lekernel> open source tea party
<lekernel> :)
<DocScrutinizer05> shuttleworth, bah
<DocScrutinizer05> this dude shouldn't start apologizing
<DocScrutinizer05> since when he starts, he likely wouldn't reach an end
<lekernel> well I'm quite happy finally someone does something substantial about the X11 shitware
<DocScrutinizer05> in my book canonical/ubuntu is only marginally less rogue than google/android
<ysionneau> sorry it was my firewall
<ysionneau> sorry to accuse qi-hw infrastructure :)
<wpwrak> hah ! :)
<lekernel> X11 is akin to PCs booting in real mode. both have consequences: Intel laptops have poor battery life and the UI experience on Linux is a mess.
<DocScrutinizer05> I don't see any mess in my UX experience
<DocScrutinizer05> I however see a lot of mess and damage done to the unix universe at large, by dudes like Poettering and forks like android and ubuntu and projects like wayland/mir when they think they CBA to care about X11 backward compatibility
<DocScrutinizer05> the only UI mess I see is from braindead aproaches like Qt trying to avoid X11 IM and create their own vkbd and spellchecking and hw-kbd mapping and whatnot else
<DocScrutinizer05> which for me makes a quite insane cross-platform approach, that is like "we want this toolkit to work on multiple platforms, so let's make the platforms more similar so this can pan out"
<DocScrutinizer05> resulting in linux/unix apps in Qt acting much like windows apps
<DocScrutinizer05> which is not exactly what I'm cheerful about
* DocScrutinizer05 sits back and waits who's going to win the race to define a whole new OS paradigm: systemd or Qt
<DocScrutinizer05> worst case they unite
<DocScrutinizer05> obsoleting kernel and linux at alrge
<DocScrutinizer05> large*
<DocScrutinizer05> in my book if it's not compatible to other unix flavors anymore, then it's not a proper linux
<lekernel> what's wrong with that? unix is a terrible system
<wpwrak> lamest troll ever ;-)
<lekernel> :)
<lekernel> seriously though, unix isn't perfect
<larsc> systemd is pretty good imo. the startup process done right
<whitequark> lekernel: idk at battery life, their latest soc is competitive with arms
<whitequark> haswell i think
<viric> kyak: auhm really?
<viric> kyak: what md5sum do you expect? For what url?
<viric> I see the aur
<viric> no ide.a
<viric> tarballs are genertated 'on the fly', but I didn't expect differences.
<viric> ah understood. Right, it seems I'm changing hashes. :) (I told fossil to include two id files in the tarball, recently)
<viric> ah sorry if someone already posted it: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-diy-cyborg
<viric> will we see one day wpwrak like this? :)
<dos1> cool and creepy at the same time ;x
<larsc> did he put a arduino in there?
<dos1> damn, it's massive - and I guess that's the main thing that makes it creepy
<viric> larsc: :D
<wpwrak> viric: hardly. a) i like my gadgets small. b) i'd rather go the opposite direction: upload my mind into a computer. that hardware much easier to maintain.
<viric> :)
<wpwrak> c) look a all the nicely red inflamed tissue. i think he'll have so much more fun with his implant.
<viric> but he got on the news.
<larsc> I wonder can he acutally do anything with that thing that you can do with just attached to the _outside_ of the skin?
<wpwrak> subcutaneous light ? :)
<viric> subcutaneous light during one week days of battery power.
<larsc> one week is not bad, compared to my mobile phone ;)
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<DocScrutinizer05> larsc: systemd is a bloated undebugable abomination, that even ahs less built in for --help
<DocScrutinizer05> not to mention intergartion of udev and d-bus
<whitequark> "no poettering" should be a feature