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<companion_cube> if Other is defined before, then yes
<ahf> hm, the problem seems to be my reference to C
<ahf> i have a val create : C -> t, where C is a parameter to the signature
<zozozo> ahf: usually, it would have a signature that looks like : val create : C.t -> t
<zozozo> since you already have C as argument to your functor, there really is no reason to ask for it again in a function
<ahf> duh, of course
<ahf> it was C.t
<ahf> thanks
<zozozo> ^^
<ahf> think Mirage is giving me a harder time getting into ocaml. thanks for the help
<Drup> ahf: are you following the OCaml mooc ?
<ahf> Drup: nah, i read real world ocaml some months ago, didn't write anything in it, and now i'm playing a bit around with openmirage
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<ahf> cool, thanks. i will give it a look
<Drup> (next week is about the module system)
<ahf> okay, cool
<ahf> it's been great fun so far. i'm mostly used to erlang, so there is still a lot of things i need to watch out for
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<zozozo> hm.. mirage website seems to be offline
<ahf> yes
<ahf> same for me
<nchambers> ahf: have you seen elixir?
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<ahf> nchambers: yes, it's very much up in the erlang community these days
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<ahf> we still mostly only use erlang itself out where i work, but i think it is going to be easier to find elixir people soon. it seems like a lot of people find it interesting these days
<ahf> also people who are normally not interested in FP
<ahf> here in copenhagen we have a very active elixir (and erlang) user group, where people meet up often and toy around with the language
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<ahf> can i refer to another parameterized signature in a parameterized signature without making my first signature parameterized over the signature i want to refer to?
<ahf> in a module struct, i'd do module Foo = Foo.Make (C)
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<Drup> ahf: I need an example of what you want to do
<Drup> english has its limits :D
<ahf> the problem is the module Log = Log.Make (C) line
<ahf> the error is 'Module Log.Make(C) cannot be aliased'
<Drup> what is the definition of Log ?
<Drup> oh, it's in a sig
<ahf> updated the gist
<ahf> yeah, called it .ml incorrectly
<Drup> the good method is to create a Log.S signature that is the output signature of the Log.Make functor
<Drup> the quick method is "module Log : module type of Log.Make(C)"
<ahf> not sure i get how the good method looks?
<ahf> how do i define the output signature of the Make functor?
<Drup> look at the module Map in the standard library
<ahf> will do, thanks
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<reynir> I'm trying to move some js_of_ocaml code from camlp4 to ppx. I'm not sure what to do about Deriving(Json), is there a ppx equivalent for that?
<companion_cube> ppx_deriving_yojson
<reynir> hm
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<reynir> Ok, i needed to sprinkle some extra conversion
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<pveber> I'd like to write an ocamlbuild plugin that generates mllib or mlpack files from directory contents. Anybody already seen/done that?
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<mrvn> use oasis
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<pveber> I do use oasis for most of my projects, but I have a particular case where the compilation scheme used in oasis does not work (same module names in packed libraries)
<mrvn> use subdirs
<mrvn> namespaces
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<pveber> even with subdirs it does not work cleanly: I have foo/A, bar/A, with bar/A depending on foo/A, and I get warnings that A appears in several directories.
<pveber> what do you mean with "namespaces"?
<pveber> There was an issue on oasis forge about that: https://forge.ocamlcore.org/tracker/?func=detail&aid=573&group_id=54&atid=294
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<mrvn> pveber: put the equaliy named modules into different submodules, e.g. the library name.
<mrvn> s/submodules/modules as submodules/
<mrvn> So you get Foo.A and BAR.A
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<mrvn> In ocaml you can't have 2 modules withe same (fully qualified) name.
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<pveber> mrvn: I'm well aware of that. The issue is that oasis generates the packed libraries in the same directory that the module of the pack. While there is nothing wrong with "namespaces", using a pack requires to use a "-I" option that makes the cmi of the packed modules visible. Hence the warnings
<pveber> *modules* of the pack
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<gasche_> pveber: that sounds like an amusing thing to try
<gasche_> for example, you could
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<gasche_> name your subdirectories foo.mldir
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<gasche_> and have two rules foo.mldir -> foo.mllib, foo.mldir -> foo.ml
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<gasche_> hm
<gasche_> it would arguably be more robust to have foo.mldir *and* foo.mllib together, to list the modules you want to build inside foo.mldir
<gasche_> and you could try to use module-aliases instead of pack
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<pveber_> gasche: actually I'd like the plugin to build a pack with all ml files it finds in a specified subdirectory
<pveber_> (not sure it's so important, but it's also an occasion to learn ocamlbuild)
<pveber_> I thought I could use dynamic dependencies for that
<pveber_> the rule would produce "%.mlpack" but I'm unsure what to put as a dependency
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<gasche_> pveber_: have you tried just depending on % ?
<gasche_> (you would need a stamp argument for proper need-rebuild decisions)
<pveber_> yes but in the present case '%' would be a dir, which makes ocamlbuild complain: Exception Sys_error("Is a directory")
<pveber_> for now, I just don't have a dep for the rule, and fail if the directory doesn't exist
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<gasche_> pveber_: your model is fairly fragile in any case if you do not list the packed modules somewhere
<gasche_> because "what .ml files are in this subdirectory" is not robust wrt. the building model
<gasche_> (what if one of these files is actually a .mlp that gets preprocessed by another rule?)
<companion_cube> hi gasche_, nice merging spree :p
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<pveber_> Fair enough (I was bitten by this very issue two minutes ago)
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<Drup> companion_cube: just so you know, jsoo's deriving (Json) is not yojson at all
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<Drup> and can't be replaced by it
<Drup> (at least, not in the usual case, which is eliom related)
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<Drup> (there is a ppx version in preparation for jsoo's next version)
<Drup> reynir: ^
<reynir> ! awesome
<companion_cube> oh.
<companion_cube> how is it different?
<Drup> companion_cube: jsoo's deriving is basically marshall in Json
<companion_cube> hu
<Drup> it maps to jsoo's memory model almost directly
<reynir> jsoo = js_of_ocaml?
<Drup> it's mostly used for eliom's RPC stuff
<companion_cube> oh I think I see
<companion_cube> weird.
<Drup> reynir: yes
<Drup> companion_cube: it was never intended for general use, it's mostly for eliom really :)
<Drup> maybe we should rename it
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<gasche_> companion_cube: I would also like to get the revert of user-defined indexing operators done this week-end, and that is much less fun :'(
<gasche_> ( plus octachron is trying to worsen the guilt by improving the documentation in other places )
<Drup> gasche_: btw, did you guys discussed the whole M.!(...) things ?
<gasche_> we didn't
<Drup> ok
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<gasche_> there is only so much syntax that we can get discussed in one go, because at some point people saturate
<gasche_> (like in an art expo, but with syntax change proposals instead of the artworks)
<gasche_> and I think I collected the proposal chronologically
<Drup> gasche_: well, there is also the warning discussion
<gasche_> yeah, this one got stalled
<gasche_> I think people do not agree on shadowing matters for now
<Drup> (I personally think both are good, the first one at the very least by consistency, the second one because it's more sensible)
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<octachron> gasche_, should I try to delay the revert by submitting more patches to the manual? :p
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