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<wolfcore> started playing with OCaml again
<wolfcore> coming from Haskell
<wolfcore> OCaml is *so* nice
<wolfcore> love it
<wolfcore> Haskell is awesome too
<wolfcore> I'm a sucker for ML based langs
<wolfcore> :p
<dmbaturin> wolfcore: There's also StandardML, if you want to become an ML collector. ;)
<dmbaturin> And numerous research dialects.
<Drup> sooo many research dialects
<wolfcore> dmbaturin: yup, I have a copy of PFDS next to me -- going to read it tomorrow probably
<dmbaturin> The next step is to invent your own research dialect.
<wolfcore> I want to write a theorem prover
<wolfcore> Isn't that one of the main reasons ML was created?
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<dmbaturin> Original ML was an internal language of a theorem prover AFAIR.
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<python476> milner's meta language
<python476> that makes ocaml a sibling of xml.
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<python476> I can't say why yet, but sml/nj felt a lot easier to learn than ocaml btw
<Drup> it's "a bit" smaller
<python476> yeah, that also
<python476> I should try it again to compare post-ocaml
<Drup> You are not yet post-ocaml :D
<python476> I'm prepost-ocaml
<wolfcore> any tips for getting up to speed on OCaml quickly? I have an interview coming up and am going to use to answer algo questions. I have been writing mostly Haskell for months, but I don't want to run into a wall when they ask questions that could be better solved with state
<python476> and prepost-erous
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<Drup> wolfcore: for the tooling, the intro of RWO
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<dmbaturin> wolfcore: Perhaps it can be a rule of thumb that if you would go for IORef's if it was haskell, a reference in ML is a good idea too. :)
<wolfcore> dmbaturin: thanks :) gotta read up on refs
<dmbaturin> wolfcore: A ref is secretly a mutable record. type 'a ref = { mutable contents: 'a }
<dmbaturin> A record can have more than one mutable field, so sometimes it's better to store some state in a single record than create a bunch of refs.
<wolfcore> dmbaturin: so essentially it would still be creating many refs, but all in the same record?
<dmbaturin> Yeah, pretty much.
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<dmbaturin> Well. In older MLs references were first class objects and there were no mutable records. OCaml introduced mutable records but included 'a ref, !, and := in the standard library that look like the original references, but implemented on top of mutable records.
<dmbaturin> In SML "val foo = ref 0" is not a sugar for anything.
<wolfcore> oh okay, that makes sense
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<wolfcore> so I was wondering
<wolfcore> is there an equivalent to Haskell's syntax that lets you bind the entire match?
<wolfcore> like
<wolfcore> f all@(x:xs) = ...
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<Drup> (<pat> as <name>)
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<wolfcore> Drup: thanks!
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<Algebr> Trying to have my friend see an ocaml project, its pretty frustrating because just did a fresh switch and try to install js_of_ocaml and get unbound module B64. Ugh.
<Algebr> Quote in reply "This is why people don't use ocaml" :()
<Drup> if that was the case, people would not use ruby and python either
<Drup> that's a stupid answer
<dmbaturin> I've installed octopress lately. As I'm not an active Ruby user, I was really frustrated by the fact that simply having a gem installed may not be enough, it still doesn't work until you add it to your Gemfile
<python476> we really need prolog based build system ~_~
<python476> let's brute force frustration out
<wolfcore> why is it that fold_left [1;2;3;4;5;6] 0 (fun x n -> x+n);; returns a <fun> but naming the args like fold_left [1;2;3;4;5;6] ~init:0 ~f:(fun x n -> x+n);; gives the result?
<python476> wolfcore: is that the right order?
<wolfcore> yeah the type signature is 'a list -> init:'b -> f:('b -> 'a -> 'b) -> 'b = <fun>
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<python476> and I realize I'm not using the latest ocaml
<wolfcore> do named parameters have to be named in function calls then?
<python476> I don't know that, I would have assumed like you
<dmbaturin> wolfcore: Where is this fold_left from?
<wolfcore> dmbaturin: from Jane Street Core
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<dmbaturin> wolfcore: Yes, if the positional (non-named non-optional) argument comes last, this problem doesn't arise.
<dmbaturin> let my_fold = fold_left ~init:0 ~f:myfun ;; will work as expected though.
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<dmbaturin> wolfcore: Actually, this is a bit odd. I've just tried to make an analgous function with labeled but non-optional arguments, it worked as you expected the fold to work.
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<wolfcore> dmbaturin: hmm this is really strange
<wolfcore> dmbaturin: yeah from what I read on ocaml.org it seems labelled arguments require the label name when calling the fn
<wolfcore> but actually
<wolfcore> I just tried the take_while from the same module, and didn't label the parameters.... it still worked
<wolfcore> so I'm not sure
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<Leonidas> any opam maintainers here? shouldn't http://opam.ocaml.org/packages/ocaml-amqp/ocaml-amqp.0.1.0/ be called 'amqp'? I remember a policy of dropping 'ocaml' prefix?
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<Drup> Leonidas: yes it should
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<infinity0> hannes: :)
<infinity0> i just tweaked this a bit, should be more robust now: https://gist.github.com/infinity0/c2531891e451d091bc09
<infinity0> (auto-show-types in merlin instead of having to press C-c C-t all the time)
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<apache2> what does the '*' character signify in the type definitions?
<apache2> example:
<apache2> | String : ('x, string -> 'a2) padding
<apache2> * ('a2, 'b2, 'c2, 'd2, 'e2, 'f2) fmt -> ('x, 'b2, 'c2, 'd2, 'e2, 'f2) fmt
<Drup> tuple ? :)
<ely-se> tuple type
<apache2> ah d'oh, didn't see the first element, sorry
<octachron> or more precisely the second argument of the gadt constructor
<octachron> since constructor arguments are not strictly tuples
<apache2> I have a logger, and need to call Lwt_log_core.fatal_f ~logger ....mystuff...
<apache2> I tried to curry it: let log_f = Lwt_log_core.fatal_f ~logger in ...
<apache2> but the type checker does type inference on my first call to the curried function so I end up with:
<apache2> Error: This expression has type ('a, unit, string, unit Lwt.t) format4 -> 'a but an expression was expected of type string -> int -> unit Lwt.t
<octachron> apache2, you should add the format4 argument in your definition of log_f: let log_f fmt = ....
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<apache2> thanks
<octachron> did it work?
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<apache2> ocnope :(
<caisah> hi, sorry for the noob question: I'm trying to follow the examples from "Real world OCaml" in utop but when I use " Float.of_int x " I get the message "Error: Unbound module Float". What am I doing wrong?
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<octachron> caisah, you need to open Core standard library
<caisah> octachron: yeah, I figured it out, thanks!
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<taigi100> Hey folks, I am looking for a string key in a Map that mapps ( string -> bool ). If I find it, I wanna use it , if not I wanna use the string . How should I do it ? I tried something like : | B v -> B ( try M.find v dict with Not_found -> v ) . Where B is a type defined by me.
<companion_cube> this sounds like it's ill typed: in one case you use a bool, in the other case a string
<taigi100> yep
<taigi100> I'm trying to simplify a boolean expression where I only know a few of the variables
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<companion_cube> so you want to return a symbolic boolean expression?
<companion_cube> it means you have to wrap the string in some constructor
<taigi100> I defined my boolean expression as such
<taigi100> agree, when I get a B I just wanna return v, but when I get a V ( which is a proposition, for example "x") I either wanna return it's value ( If I can find it in the Map ) or just leave it as "x" otherwise
<mrvn> so make a type for it
<taigi100> and afterwards ? Can I do something like try ( M.find ) ->
<taigi100> or could I do a function that just checks if the value is in the map without returning it's value if it is?
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<companion_cube> V v -> begin try B (Map.find v dict) with Not_found -> V v end
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<taigi100> and how should I deal with returning different types?
<companion_cube> you can't
<companion_cube> that's as simple as that
<companion_cube> the snippet I posted above returns an expression in both cases
<taigi100> so ... B of something is also an expression right?
<companion_cube> yes
<companion_cube> B true, for instance (B e where e is a boolean)
<taigi100> ok, thnx :)
<companion_cube> V "x" is also an expression
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<taigi100> and btw
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<taigi100> if you happen to have understood what I'm trying to do
<taigi100> Do I have to match for all of them or is there a shorter way?
<taigi100> actually nvm, that's not a good idea, I'm not solving anything with that code in the And
<Drup> taigi100: you can nest patterns
<taigi100> if I do match ( part_eval e1, part_eval e2) is that good?
<taigi100> what's nest patterns?
<Drup> And (B a1, B a2)
<taigi100> isn't it the same thing ?
<taigi100> I mean I have to write 4 cases
<Drup> it's shorter and cleaner, in your case
<Drup> you can also simplify further
<Drup> And (B b, V v) | And (V v, B b)
<taigi100> true
<taigi100> sorry for the long code but , what is up with this error ?
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<lyxia> taigi100: It means there are two "type bexp" in scope
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<taigi100> and what does that mean?
<lyxia> taigi100: it usually happens when you load the same file in a single interactive session
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<taigi100> oh, ok
<lyxia> and reuse values from the previous load
<lyxia> redefine the values.
<taigi100> yeah, fixed it
<taigi100> was just wondering what it ment
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