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<Leonidas> edwin: you could maybe pin a local directory?
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<edwin> k will try that next time
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<edwin> the commit got merged and I could install oqamldebug via opame update&opam install now
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<reynir> I'm thinking of maybe implementing the python pickle format... maybe
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<fds> What does 'opam upgrade' mean when it responds with the message: The following would require downgrades or uninstalls, but you may upgrade them explicitly: <list of packages> ?
<fds> I've redacted te list of packages. I can obviously pastebin the whole output if it helps.
<reynir> fds: I believe it's typically when the package descrption has been updated with a 'tighter' depdency constraint
<reynir> (sorry about the typos)
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<reynir> fds: So foo 1.0 depends on bar >= 1.0. Then the description of foo is changed to depend on bar >= 1.0 & bar < 2.0, but you have bar 2.0 installed from before
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<fds> reynir: Hm, I see. And do you know if there's a command that will make everything happy again? (--fixup?)
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<reynir> fds: Sorry, I don't know how to fix it :(
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<jackweirdy> Quick Q - I have some module code that doesn't work and I can't understand why. When I define them in the form module.... module.... they work, but when I do module rec... and... (which I need later) they don't :/ https://gist.github.com/NotBobTheBuilder/71ab8849655a01cab31a
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<rks`> that was indeed quick.
<fds> reynir: I sort of fixed it by breaking everything else. :-D
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<reynir> \o/
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<jackweirdy> [sorry if dupe, wifi hiccup] Is there any way to get more detail than just "Ill-typed functor application Set.Make(A)"? As in, see exactly what's wrong?
<rks`> jackweirdy: you can't write "type t = Set.Make(A).t"
<rks`> what you want to do jackweirdy
<rks`> is have "module A = ... and module ASet : Set.S with type elt = A.t = Set.Make(A)"
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<ggole> The type of compare is wrong there, too
<ggole> You want sig type t val compare : t -> t -> int end
<ggole> Not 'a -> 'a -> int
<jackweir_> aaah right
<jackweir_> Ok I'll try that first, thanks :)
<ggole> Since there's no reference to ASet within A, there doesn't seem to be any need for recursive modules here. Is this a cut-down example?
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<rks`> I'd guess so ggole, he said "(which I need later)"
<rks`> I assume he's going to have another constructor in A.t like "Set of ASet.t"
<jackweir_> Yes it's a cut down one - when done X will become X of ASet.t
<ggole> Something like that, I suppose
<rks`> yes
<jackweir_> Yeah that's it :D Thanks!
<jackweir_> That's been confusing me for hours, thanks so much :)
<ggole> Actually, it seems the more polymorphic compare will typecheck fine. Hmm.
<rks`> of course it will
<ggole> In hindsight it makes sense.
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<ggole> (I do think that t -> t -> int is a better signature here, though.)
<rks`> (it is)
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<ely-se> if I have this: type instruction = Bla of int | Bloop of string | Bleck of int * string, how is an instruction array represented?
<ely-se> As an array of pointers? Or are the instructions inlined in the array?
<ely-se> I want the latter, but is it possible?
<pierpa> the first you said
<ely-se> :'(
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<ely-se> There will be many such arrays and they will be iterated over many many times.
<ely-se> data locality is very important
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<flux> it's likely local.. :)
<pierpa> prototype with this representation, and when you're satisfied with all the rest switch to a lower level representation
<flux> or nearby anyway :)
<pierpa> and maybe you don't need to switch to a lower level representation, after all
<ely-se> ok :(
<ely-se> maybe I can encode everything as floats
<nicoo> ely-se: It's not obvious whether inlining the instructions would be helpful, because you would have to align them at a pretty large size (because of Bleck), so not many would fit in a cache line anyhow
<nicoo> ely-se: Ewww, that's disgusting (also, using ints in there ought to work better)
<ely-se> right
<ely-se> maybe bytecode will work better
<ely-se> I'll try both approaches and see :)
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<thizanne> maybe you just don't need the unboxing
<ely-se> > Since each floating-point value is boxed in a separate memory block, it can be inefficient to handle large arrays of floats in comparison to unboxed integers. OCaml therefore special-cases records or arrays that contain only float types. These are stored in a block that contains the floats packed directly in the data section, with Double_array_tag set to signal to the collector that the contents are not OC
<ely-se> aml values.
<ely-se> Oh, wait, integers are also unboxed.
<coody> This is planned to be removed though (well, maybe): https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/163
<ely-se> Nice.
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<ggole> OCaml isn't design for data locality at all
<ggole> *designed
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<pierpa> let the gc worry about locality
<ely-se> I'll use an array of integers.
<pierpa> aren't you optimizing prematurely?
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<ely-se> premature optimisation is the root of all fun
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<pierpa> I remember it differently :)
<ely-se> though I don't use core :(
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<thizanne> it's in stdlib also
<ely-se> I couldn't find it
<ely-se> utop finds it though
<ely-se> nice
<thizanne> it's not documented to prevent wannabe-cowboys to use it :)
<ely-se> I'll use it!
<pierpa> lol
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<ely-se> I wrote a very nice VM once but it was in C++.
<ely-se> the instruction decoder was generated by an AWK script :D
<pierpa> :O
<ely-se> the VM took about 5 minutes to compile so I abandoned it
<pierpa> hmmmm
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<ely-se> I could write my new bytecode interpreter in C++, if I can use the OCaml GC
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<ely-se> I don't want to write a GC myself and I don't want two different GCs running since that's just silly.
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<tane> why C++ and not C? :|
<tane> no wonder it takes 5 mins to compile :D
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<ely-se> tane: because I don't like to waste time debugging segfaults and memory leaks
<ely-se> and duplicating code because the lack of ability to abstract over types
<tane> yeah, right :)
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<ely-se> I should look into Rust.
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<7JTAA5F1M> more fun with opam + oasis
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<bernardofpc> so, as I was saying
<bernardofpc> did ocamlfind remove userconf
<bernardofpc> on the next package, it exited with a similar error
<bernardofpc> # ocamlfind: Package plugin-loader is already installed
<bernardofpc> so I removed that one too
<bernardofpc> tried again
<bernardofpc> it complained *again* that userconf was "already installed"
<bernardofpc> so opam is not cleaning up itself
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<tizoc> bernardofpc: I'm experiencing that exact same issue here
<tizoc> oasis is not supposed to be installed, but I have a lib/oasis directory full of files
<tizoc> same for lib/userconf
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<tizoc> bernardofpc: https://github.com/ocaml/opam/issues/2366 opened this issue
<tizoc> also, after removing lib/oasis, lib/plugin-loader and lib/userconf I was able to opam install oasis without errors
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<bernardofpc> tizoc: yeah, ended up doign the same, but its super-aweful
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<HaikuUser> "let comp = A(B).f" where A is a functor and B is a module ==> why the toplevel complains about "unbound constructor A" ?
<Guest46874> "let comp = A(B).f" where A is a functor and B is a module ==> why the toplevel complains about "unbound constructor A" ?
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<flux> guest63185, you need to construct a module first
<flux> or actually maybe there's a syntax for this situation, hmm..
<flux> but usually you can do it ie: let comp = let module M = A(B) in M.f
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<Maelan> i wonder, if i don’t care about pretty-printing, can i safely use Format.fprintf with confidence that it will have the exact same output as Printf.printf ?
<Maelan> (that is, not inserting stuff like spaces or line breaks at some point)
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<Maelan> i would like to take profit of the genericity over output streams (“formatters”) just like for Scanf
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<^elyse^> started working on a GC regardless :P
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<^elyse^> it should work now, but not tested!
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<Maelan> sorry, did i miss something?
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<^elyse^> you might have
<Maelan> (saw nothing after my own messages)
<^elyse^> was referring to something from hours ago :)
<Maelan> oh :p
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<Maelan> power shutdown on my whole campus
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<^elyse^> RIP
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<Algebr> I'm trying to do some cross compliation stuff and getting from clang, since I need to link with C code, Undefined symbols for architecture armv7: _caml_alloc_array in li. I'm wondering what this means I'm missing from the final object file, is it symbols for the ocaml runtime, presumably. Where would there be in lib/ocaml?
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<Anarchos> thanks flux
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<flux> ooh! (looking at [Caml-list] Status and schedule of the 4.03.0 release)
<flux> I shall quote it here in unreadable format by removing newlines: - named constructor arguments (aka inline records) - compiler annotations for performance (@tailcall @inline @unbox @noalloc...) - flambda: major changes in the compiler pipeline - GC improvements: no more large GC pause times - Ephemerons: a generalization of weak pointers - Ocamlbuild: spin off as an independent project
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<dmbaturin> flux: I think most people here are subscribed to the list though. :)
<dmbaturin> And yes, that's indeed great news.
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<flux> dmbaturin, not all :)
<flux> oh, and one concrete interesting tidbit: "We are also planning to release an alpha version of the multicore system as an OPAM switch shortly after the 4.03.0 release."
<flux> iow, at February
<flux> oh, never mind, 4.03, not 4.04, so earlier
<dmbaturin> Well, if not, they probably should, it's not all that high traffic anyway. :)
* fds had better subscribe then.
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<seangrove> Hey all, I'm trying to get a custom utop going, and hitting an error: "$ ocamlfind ocamlc -linkpkg src/mytop_main.ml -package threads,utop -o myutop -thread" - Reference to undefined global `Topfind'. I thought adding the findlib package might take care of it, but doesn't seem to help.
<seangrove> Is `Topfind` not provided by the findlib package?
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<Maelan> déjà vu
<seangrove> Maelan: I did ask the same question a few days ago - got no response though, and just now resuming, but still stuck
<Maelan> i do not know, but isn’t the order of arguments to ocamlfind relevant? i would have put your sr/mytop_main.ml after the -packages
<edwin> https://github.com/diml/utop#creating-a-custom-utop-enabled-toplevel there are some additional flags listed there
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<edwin> if you don't use ocamlmktop
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<seangrove> edwin: Awesome, I'm not using ocamlmktop (using ocamlc.opt), I'll look through that
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<tobiasBora> Hello !
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<bobry> I'm seeing "Cannot find file ~/.opam/4.02.2/lib/findlib/findlib.cmxa" when building merlin 2.3.1 on OS X. Can someone help me debug this? Ocamlfind is installed, but the aforementioned file is indeed missing.
<tobiasBora> A little question : I have a string like "Héhé\n" and I would like to escape the chars to have an output like :
<tobiasBora> "H\303\251h\303\251\\n"
<tobiasBora> (The accent must be encoded in UTF sequence, and the backslash should be escaped also.
<tobiasBora> I tried String.escaped "Bonjour éé \n";;
<tobiasBora> but the result seems to be another encoding : "Bonjour \\195\\169\\195\\169 \\n"
<tobiasBora> hum
<coody> You want octal, String.escaped returns decimal
<tobiasBora> coody: Hum indeed... Any solution to do the conversion ?
<Algebr> bobry: check if you need to do a eval `opam config env`
<coody> tobiasBora: I'd change the existing implementation for my needs
<coody> Or find a library that does it
<def`> bobry: as Algebr said, I assume you are using OCaml 4.02.3?
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<def`> my octal escaper
<tobiasBora> def`: Great thank you ! I was rewritting String, but to do so I need to rewrite Bytes... Well that's a nice time win ! Thank you also coody !
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<nullcatxxx_> um... any vim equivalent of tuareg?
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<def`> could you be more specific?
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<crazy4k> Hi there! I'm trying to install Blast (a software verification tool) and I'm getting "Error: Could not find the .cmi file for interface bstats.mli." Any hints what this may be about?
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