#ocaml on 2015-11-20 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:15 <Drup> can't really help :/

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01:41 <coody> What's the preferred way to create a mapping between a variant and ints? A map? Pattern matching (which would mean I'd have to type it out twice?)? Something else?

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02:13 <mahem1_> coody: Just straight forward partern matching?

02:13 <mahem1_> But honestly it really doesn't matter what you do just as long it is only done once in a function, right?

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02:23 <coody> mahem1_: I need to do the conversion in both directions, but I don't want to write it out twice

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02:38 <mahem1_> coody: Well, in that case I guess you could just have a original (variant * int) list and dynamically (runtime) create the complementing (int * variant) list.

02:39 <mahem1_> Though if lists are too hard to work with a Hashtbl would suffice.

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02:42 <mahem1_> Or a map.

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02:47 <coody> I see

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09:57 <orbifx> hello #ocaml

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11:12 <Bahman> `List` is a persistent list, right?

11:16 <dmbaturin> Bahman: Yes, it's immutable.

11:16 <Bahman> dmbaturin: Indulge me, but immutable and persistent, right? :-)

11:17 <dmbaturin> Bahman: What is your definition of persistent? :)

11:18 <Bahman> dmbaturin: Imagine `let foolist = [1;2] in let barlist = (3 :: foolist) in ... `

11:19 <Bahman> A persistent list impl, wouldn't make `barlist` a list of size 3 in memory. Instead it uses the data alread in `foolist` and creates a new list with a head=3 and tail pointing to `foolist`.

11:20 <Bahman> I hope that makes sense :-)

11:20 <dmbaturin> Yes, making a new list keeps previous versions intact and uses structural sharing.

11:22 <Bahman> Ah...excellent. Thanks dmbaturin.

11:23 <dmbaturin> Bahman: Most commonly I see 'fully persistent' defined as 'all previous versions remains accessible', but it doesn't really say anything about structural sharing. :)

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11:29 <Bahman> dmbaturin: Reading the Wikipedia page on the topic...I'm surprised I didn't do that earlier...you're right.

11:29 <Bahman> The structural sharing thing is a bonus but not a necessity.

11:31 <Bahman> You see, I did this immutable List impl in Java...it worked as expected...except that the performance and memory consumption was awful :-)

11:31 <Bahman> Java's lists do not share structure and I didn't do that either.

11:32 <Bahman> Hence my sensitivity to the topic.

11:33 <dmbaturin> Bahman: Python tuples are also immutable (as in you can't modify it), but apparently use full copying.

11:35 <Bahman> Yes...that's exactly what I did with my lists.

11:35 <Bahman> Clojure's lists are persistent with structural sharing.

11:36 <Bahman> Other Schemes, I guess, don't do this.

11:36 <Bahman> Thanks for the assist.

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14:15 <Leonidas> dmbaturin: Python tuples are usually rather tiny with just a couple of elements and usually not modified (as in, appending or deleting items), so I don't think implementing structural sharing would be an advantage.

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14:19 <Drup> also, memory sharing would add indirections and kill locality.

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14:27 <dmbaturin> Leonidas: Well, true, I think it's still a good example of complicated relationships between immutability, persistence, and sharing.

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14:33 <Leonidas> absolutely!

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15:36 <orbifx> I just realised that despite the name, Ocaml doesn't use CamelCase!

15:36 <theblatte> but it does... it's OCaml!

15:37 <theblatte> can opam tell me which "switch" it's currently using?

15:38 <Drup> opam sw sh

15:38 <theblatte> I would like to save it somewhere, then `opam switch <other version>`, do stuff, then `opam switch <previous version>`, but I don't know how to get <previous version>

15:38 <theblatte> Drup: yay, thanks! :)

15:38 <Drup> (you can see that I use it often, because I minimized the chars :D)

15:39 <edwin> opam config exec --switch=foo -- cmd ...

15:39 <Drup> but yeah, for your use case; you don't even need to switch

15:39 <Drup> just do what edwin said

15:39 <edwin> depends what you want to run, if its other opam commands not sure if opam config exec works, but for building stuff/running apps its fine

15:40 <theblatte> well I need to do a bunch of things, but maybe I can put them in yet another script...

15:40 <theblatte> I need to opam install some stuff, then run a bunch of compilation commands

15:40 <Drup> theblatte: in this case, just eval `opam config env --switch FOO`

15:40 <Drup> it will switch locally in the given shell without switching globally

15:41 <theblatte> ooh, neat!

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15:47 <dmbaturin> orbifx: CamelCase DataConstructors AreCommon.

15:48 <dmbaturin> Not_universal But_still. :)

15:49 <Drup> Not_To_Forget The_Last_Convention

15:49 <theblatte> irk

15:49 <Drup> indeed

15:49 <theblatte> please_don't

15:50 <orbifx> dmbaturin: yeah I know. Just messing. OCaml seems to have the right amount of camel case and at the right places. Doing some QML now and camel casing everywhere is dizzying

15:51 <Drup> The only lovable CamelCase is the BatConvention

15:53 <dmbaturin> orbifx: How's your config management project going?

15:59 <orbifx> not too far yet I'm doing some passwd management now

15:59 <orbifx> just to get a version finished

16:00 <orbifx> after that I will look into a more generalised approach at which point we can work together on something.

16:00 <orbifx> something complex, convoluted and generally 1337 :P

16:00 <orbifx> j/k

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16:48 <orbifx> dmbaturin: hope you saw the message

16:48 <orbifx> takes time cause I'm doing this on my spare-spare time :P

16:51 <reynir> What config management project are you working on?

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16:59 <orbifx> reynir: I am making an automated server

16:59 <orbifx> dmbaturin: is doing some remotely controlled routers

16:59 <reynir> cool! :)

16:59 <orbifx> so we are thinking of joining forces and making a unified linux configuration control panel with mad features

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17:07 <Bahman> Is there any general "groupBy" function for lists?

17:08 <Bahman> groupBy : ('b -> 'a) -> 'b list -> 'a list Map.t

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17:09 <Bahman> Sorry...correction... `groupBy : ('b -> 'a) -> 'b list -> 'b list Map.t` where `Map.key = 'a`

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17:12 <reynir> Bahman: you can use List.fold_left

17:13 <Bahman> reynir: But I should know in advance the type of the Map keys, right?

17:15 <infinity0> in .merlin, is there a better option than CMT /home/*/.opam/4.02.3/build/**/_build

17:15 <infinity0> the /home/* part is what i don't like, and ~/ doesn't seem to work

17:16 <Bahman> reynir: For example I have this naive version (http://pastebin.com/1gjaVj8C) assuming the keys are string.

17:16 <Bahman> But am not sure how should I generalise this to keys of 'c type.

17:17 <def`> let grpBinding = try MM.find grp acc with Not_found -> []

17:17 <def`> that will simplify your code

17:18 <def`> Bahman: and no, there is no parametric way to achieve what you want

17:18 <def`> either use a Hashtable or pass the appropriate map in some way

17:19 <Bahman> def`: Thanks for the help.

17:20 <reynir> you could use a functor I guess

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17:40 <Bahman> This is what I came up with: https://gist.github.com/bahmanm/4121bf991736fd4380bb

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18:47 <JacobEdelman> I hereby grant Printf.printf the award for least helpful error message

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23:52 <grantwu> I just installed ocaml with apt and ran opam install core utop

23:53 <grantwu> Apparently this failed: - install camlp4.4.01+system