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<NitroGL> hello there
<NitroGL> I have this particular problem, which I don't think it relates to ocaml
<NitroGL> I am using rlwrap, suddenly it started a "vi editing mode"
<NitroGL> I don't know how to go back to "normal editing mode"
<NitroGL> some hint?
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<ollehar> NitroGL: bash supports both emacs mode (default) and vim mode
<ollehar> google it
<ollehar> (if that's the problem)
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<NitroGL> maybe it's the bash... thanks for the hint, I'm checking
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<thomsss> Hello. I'm reading Cousineau/Mauny's 1995 book on functional programming & I'm confused by the changes made to ocaml's syntax since 1995...
<thomsss> is there a good writeup about the changes to the reader somewhere?
<thomsss> specifically the removal of `prefix`
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<GooseYArd> is there a directive in the toplevel to undefine a function or variable?
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<ygrek_> GooseYArd, let myfunc = ()
<GooseYArd> thx
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<jonh> hi
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<orbitz> jonh: hi
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<companion_cube> hoy
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<orbitz> Anyone playing with the effects types stuff?
<companion_cube> I'm interested, but it's too early for me
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<orbitz> companion_cube: Unfortuantely. I want to get away from the lwt/async question.
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<companion_cube> yeah, it would also avoid rewriting Lwt_list and the likes
<Drup> orbitz: then functorize
<Drup> (or don't, and use one of themà
<Drup> the other solutions are basically shot in the dark at this point
<orbitz> Drup: which is still a pain in the ass given teh semantics aren't quit equal acros them.
<Drup> that's why I said "don't"
<orbitz> And given that the surface area of said lirbaries is large
<Drup> I mean, do your intended use case really need to support both ?
<orbitz> If I'm making generic software, it's not just about my usecase
<orbitz> The other issue is I don't really like Lwt or Async that much so I'm ready to move onto something else :)
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<jonh> (new to ocaml) are there any community websites that would hold value to someone starting out like "these are popular useful libraries for doing thing X" and such
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<jonh> Drup: thank you
<GooseYArd> jonh: are you taking the f.u.n. mooc by chance?
<jonh> GooseYArd: no didnt know there was one
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<jonh> i am taking the jonh mooc after buying ocaml from the very beginning and its companion advanced book ;p
<jonh> o
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<GooseYArd> ehehe
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<jonh> thanks
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<companion_cube> today I got really frustrated by the type system limitations :(
<companion_cube> especially the lack of row variables, and the lack of HKT
<thizanne> last time I got frustrated by the lack of HKT, I had to split a menhir file in several ones
<thizanne> never again.
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<ia0> HKT is the reason why I switched to Haskell
<ia0> row variables I never felt the need, do you have an example of what you want to achieve?
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<companion_cube> well, mostly using object or poly variants in phantom types
<companion_cube> and I don't want to switch to haskell: packaging hell, lazyness, 800MB distribution...
<companion_cube> and idris isn't really stable — not bootstraping — yet
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<sgeisenh> companion_cube: what do you mean by the lack of row variables? I haven't heard of this issue before. I thought that OCaml was lauded for handling row types correctly.
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<S11001001> sgeisenh: I'm not sure how to do them correctly is known yet
<companion_cube> sgeisenh: it does, but you cannot manipulate row variables
<sgeisenh> ah, I see what you're saying, now.
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<ollehar1> test
<ollehar1> can someone explain this type variable in a type-inference algorithm?
<ollehar1> (** Type variable *)
<ollehar1> and tvar =
<ollehar1> | Unbound of id * level
<ollehar1> | Link of ty
<ollehar1> | Generic of id
<ollehar1> what's link?
<Drup> It's an alias
<ollehar1> hm
<ollehar1> type alias?
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<orbifx> greetings all
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<^elyse^> greetings orbifx
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<orbifx> hey ^elyse^
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<lobo> just upgrade to debian stretch/testing, but installing nocrypto fails now. http://paste.headstrong.de/view/8afa2b05
<lobo> does anyone else have similar issues?
<lobo> don't mind. it works with a clean 4.02.3 switch. i'm just going to reinstall all packages in the new/clean environment
<orbifx> kakadu: I reported the header issue in Arch: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/46983
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<orbifx> if we got any Arch-ers in here you might want to take a look. Specially if you are the extra/ocaml maintener
<orbifx> maybe even vote it.
<Kakadu> mkay...
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<Kakadu> orbifx: btw, have you tryed to compile latest lablqt from master? I got some strange errors and needed to reexecute oasis to update files and fix it....
<Kakadu> No idea why it happens yet
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<orbifx> kakadu: i need to figure out what the best way to build lablqt project is in general first. Need to make some progress with the project. Why do you have a separate `build` script next to the Makefile and not put it in there?
<Kakadu> where?
<Kakadu> yeah, looks weird
<orbifx> why not uses oasis or something? other's with more experience on ocaml build systems might advise something better.
<Kakadu> for qocamlbrowser I manually wrote some non trivial rules
<orbifx> I think you want to make this as easy as it gets to see good adoption. The entry threshold has to be low.
<Kakadu> like packing resources with Qt resource system
<orbifx> some devs might not be used to Makefiles for example and that might put them of (personally I like them).
<orbifx> So pick one approach atleast and document it well, so if one is not familiar with the approach you choose they can learn on the spot.
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<orbifx> kakadu: this Makefile [1] is pretty good. [1]: https://github.com/Kakadu/lablqt/blob/gh-pages/demos/0.3/demo3/Makefile
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<Kakadu> I like Makefiles but most people don't
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<orbifx> kakadu: is it mandatory to have ApplicationWindow in the QML? My app is segfaulting at caml_run_QQmlApplicationEngine
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<Kakadu> yeah, caml_run_QQmlApplicationEngine requires QQuickWindow to be root object..
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<Kakadu> caml_loadQml should check which root object is loaded and return QQuickWindow for ApplicationWindow and QQuickView for Items
<orbifx> where does this dependency stem from? some properties maybe?
<Kakadu> > Unlike QQuickView, QQmlApplicationEngine does not automatically create a root window. If you are using visual items from Qt Quick, you will need to place them inside of a Window.
<orbifx> well it's running now. About to try calling controller... from Qml
<orbifx> kakadu: works
<Kakadu> :)
<orbifx> kakadu: does an argument for a virtual method _need_ to be QVariant or can have a string?
<Kakadu> can be a string
<Kakadu> I don't understand why this question appears
<Kakadu> I have some non QVariant argument types in qocamlbrowser
<orbifx> I can manifest arbitrary question :P thus it appears..
<orbifx> hehe
<orbifx> I'll check the examples
<orbifx> I found my bug
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<orbifx> is String.Map.of_alist_exn exclusive to Core or does something equivalent exist for Batteries?
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