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<Inline>
oO
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<moon-child>
morning beach
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<radiohead_fan>
is there any good lisp game engine that has good documentation?
<beach>
You may want to check in #lispgames.
<radiohead_fan>
oh ok thank
<beach>
At least I think that's the dedicated channel.
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<mseddon>
drmeister: very cool!
<pxpxp>
How
<pxpxp>
How would you go about efficiently comparing the contents of 2 files? (determining whether they have the same content) I could use with-open-file and then compare the read-byte but there may be a better way
<beach>
Either way, you need to access each byte.
<Xach>
pxpxp: that way is fine. it is probably faster to use read-sequence to read more at a time.
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<Xach>
i wonder if there is an opportunity to do MISMATCH on multiple octets at a time if the vectors are known to be octet vectors.
<Xach>
word-at-a-time or more
<phoe>
non-standard functionality ahead: if the files are large, I'd mmap them both and then compare raw memory
<phoe>
but I'd actually need to benchmark to tell you if this option is going to be faster than read-sequence with a buffer
<Xach>
you also have to decide if the greater complexity is worth it
<phoe>
yes
<Xach>
it can be pretty fine to just do it a byte at a time with read-byte
<Xach>
that's pretty simple and might be fast enough for your case
<pxpxp>
thanks! But anyway there's no built-in function to compare streams, like (equal list1 list2) but for streams, right? I was hoping for something like this
<beach>
What if the stream is infinite?
<Xach>
pxpxp: not built-in
<pxpxp>
okay I understand now. So I'll go with WITH-OPEN-FILE and READ-BYTE, and then if it's too slow I'll try to first use READ-SEQUENCE
<Xach>
i think that's a sensible way to go
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<_death>
it would be easy with my marray library
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<phoe>
"Implementors are encouraged to make sure that there is always a restart named abort around any user code so that user code can call abort at any time and expect something reasonable to happen; exactly what the reasonable thing is may vary somewhat."
<phoe>
that is from CLHS Restart ABORT
<Bike>
oh, really? did not know that
<phoe>
I played with that a little bit when I was doing my condition work
<diip>
isn't sly using the ecl repl?
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<phoe>
nope, it has its own REPL implementation
<Bike>
in clasp for a while we had new threads not have any restarts, which gets weird with slime
<Bike>
i don't think i named the default restart abort, tho
<diip>
I am a bit confused here, so sly is a common lisp repl written in Emacs lisp?
<phoe>
diip: yes
<phoe>
it also has a Common Lisp server named slynk that sly connects to
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<phoe>
the sly repl is independent of REPLs used by individual implementations, so, SBCL, CCL, ECL, etc.
<phoe>
diip: anyway, #ecl might be a good place to follow-up on this issue
<diip>
aha, a lot makes sense now thanks
<diip>
I will and maybe on their gitlab as well?
<phoe>
sure
<diip>
thanks, now I need to look at the sly code as well :-)
<diip>
<diip>
so I guess sly can be used without any implementation installed on the pc
<phoe>
what
<phoe>
no
<phoe>
sly needs to have a CL implementation to run slynk on
<phoe>
sly is the client, slynk is the server
<phoe>
the only thing that is interesting is that the slynk server needs not be locally on the PC - the communication can happen over a network
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<phoe>
but having a slynk server running *somewhere* is required for sly to open up its REPL
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<diip>
but the repl doesn't actually use the common lisp implimentation?
<phoe>
the repl runs on elisp
<Bike>
the repl uses the implementation. it doesn't use the implementation's repl.
<phoe>
or rather
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<Bike>
the server uses the implementation
<Bike>
right.
<Bike>
it can call eval and compile and stuff itself, you know?
<phoe>
the stuff that you see in emacs runs on elisp, and it works by sending/receiving data from slynk, running on a CL implementation.
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<diip>
is this in the sly documentation or will it be better to read the slime documentation?
<phoe>
this might or might not be described in the slime/sly documentation
<phoe>
it is just the overall architecture of it
<diip>
so what is the implimentation used for? (if it has its own abort etc)
<phoe>
uh
<Bike>
um, everything?
<phoe>
for running Common Lisp?
<phoe>
you use the sly REPL for writing Common Lisp, don't you?
<Bike>
the server is common lisp code running in a common lisp implementation.
<diip>
sorry I guess I am being a bit slow....
<Bike>
Okay, so like, you write a line in your repl.
<Bike>
The repl sends the line to the server code. The server calls cl:eval or whatever on it.
<Bike>
results are computed and they're sent back to the repl for display.
<Bike>
the implementation is more than a repl.
<Bike>
you seem to be conflating them?
<diip>
but so how does abort work on sly? does it establish the "restart" on startup (sorry I am newish to common lisp)
<Bike>
it uses restart-case or with-simple-restart, probably.
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<diip>
restart-case of ecl to establish its own abort?
<Bike>
like - you can write your own repl. (loop (print (eval (read)))). You can throw more stuff in there, do like (loop (print (restart-case ...)))
<phoe>
everyone can establish their own restart
<diip>
yes i seem to have been conflating the implementation and the repl
<diip>
yes, but if I put something like "my-restart" above and put it in the eclrc, wouldn't that soulve my abort problem in the repl?
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<phoe>
nope
<phoe>
you'd need to RESTART-CASE every form you type in the REPL
<phoe>
this is because restarts are established like (restart-case (foo) (my-restart ...))
<phoe>
(foo) is your code
<Bike>
what you can do with restarts is establish them AROUND code. there's no function to just add a "top level" restart that you could use in an rc file.
<phoe>
or, in other words, they're established dynamically
<Bike>
you can see in sly's code here that process-requests, which is what does evaluation and everything else, is called within the extent of the with-top-level-restart.
<phoe>
I can think of a hack that you could use
<Bike>
what do you want the abort restart do do, diip?
<diip>
so I could use it around the function that I load into the repl and it won't break when I run the code?
<phoe>
in your eclrc, you could place (loop (restart-case (si:top-level t) (abort () :report "Abort execution."))) which would effectively subvert the main ECL toplevel with a new toplevel that has the ABORT restart established
<Bike>
i mean, you can do (restart-case (my-function) (abort ...)) if that's what you mean
<diip>
Bike: I am writing an error* code in a file that I want to load into the repl to test
<diip>
but it breaks the code rather than simply aborting (which is what I want)
<Bike>
what i mean is that an "abort" can mean different things in different contexts. in a sly repl it will return to the repl. outside of a repl it might quit the program.
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<diip>
Bike: yes that restart case function will work (I hope)
<phoe>
simply aborting, what do you mean?
<phoe>
do you want to quit ECL?
<diip>
outside the repl, it should quit the program but whin testing in the repl I just want it to go back to the top-level without any error code (other than what is in my own error*)
<phoe>
this sounds like a case for what --disable-debugger does in SBCL
<phoe>
I don't know if ECL has a switch like that
<diip>
phoe: interesting, thanks maybe but I will try the simplest way first
<diip>
never used sbcl much
<diip>
phoe: I meant about creating my own top-level
<diip>
all I need for now is for the code to go back to top-level during testing, thanks
<diip>
*shakes head* I have a lot to learn
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<mseddon>
diip: it is immensely rewarding, and will make you generally a better programmer everywhere else.
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<remexre>
is there a way to get iterate's (collect THING into OUT) to /not/ let-bind OUT around the loop?
<Bike>
how would it be bound, then?
<remexre>
already exists in an outer scope
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<Bike>
adding to the end of an existing list is sort of a different operation
<Bike>
seems like you could maybe do it with accumulate if you don't want to write your own clause
<remexre>
okay, I'll take a look at that; thanks
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<phoe>
(push thing out)
<phoe>
and then nreverse the result
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