jackdaniel changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/freenode/%23lisp> <https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp> <http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/> | offtopic --> #lispcafe
<ck_> https://github.com/cffi/cffi/blob/master/src/cffi-sbcl.lisp#L175 says yes. Answering until a professional (tm) shows up.
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<drmeister> Ah - right WWSD. What Would Sbcl Do.
<drmeister> Thank you.
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<paule32> hello
<paule32> i get many errors in sbcl
<paule32> give it a "forward" declarations of defun ?
<Xach> paule32: the parens do not balance
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<Xach> I suspect our language barrier will prevent any more help
<paule32> sorry
<paule32> the problem is not "understanding the function" more be "why does the syntax produce such error's like undefined procedures, that are not forwarded
<Xach> You have a { when you should have a ( is one problem. Using a variable that is not defined is another.
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<paule32> here is a more translated version
<paule32> with no gurantee, of correctnes
<paule32> in context of Eingabe := Input := keywprd
<ck_> paule32: what is first character on line 45 ?
<paule32> in the upper part there are german words, ok
<paule32> but i tried to simply the program code as possible i can
<paule32> arg
<paule32> yes
<paule32> {
<paule32> seems wrong
<paule32> indeed
<paule32> but
<paule32> there are forward problems, yet
<paule32> line 30
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<paule32> in line 34 -> 36
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<dbotton_> Is there a way to have a constant slot on a defclass?
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<edgar-rft> dbotton_: I'd just define no writing accessor, what still doesn't make the slot unchanchable, but at least it cannot be changed accidentally
<dbotton_> that works, thank you
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<paule32> hello
<paule32> in sbcl, ftype is not declared
<paule32> so, i can't "declare" functions for "foeward" use
<paule32> e.g. (defun foo () (bar)) (defun bar ())
<paule32> bar is behind foo, so foo doesn't see it
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<paule32> is there an other way, to "declare" functions in sbcl as "forward" ?
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<ck_> paule32: ftype is in the standard -- you're probably using it wrong. A simple search gives, for example, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23624570/sbcl-forward-declaration-possible
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<phoe> paule32: but this works
<phoe> (defun foo () (bar)) (defun bar () 42)) (foo) ;=> 42
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<ck_> phoe: is that extra closing paren a joke?
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<phoe> ck_: welp
<phoe> sorry
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<Posterdati> hi
<Posterdati> shka_: hi!
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<Posterdati> shka_: promises...
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<Josh_2> Afternoon
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<beach> Hello Josh_2.
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<lukego> Hey how would a Lisp package typically reference data stored in its own git repo / directory tree? do you get a path from ASDF, or from the Unix env, or do you specially define a pathname host thingy somewhere? what's an easy way that at least works on unix?
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<phoe> lukego: a Lisp package does not reference data stored in its own git repo
<phoe> a Lisp package is a collection of symbols
<lukego> yeah sorry I mean "package" in the general sense of software package e.g. something you would put on quicklisp
<phoe> if you mean an ASDF system, then it is usually done via (asdf:system-relative-pathname :my-system #p"foo/bar.baz")
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<lukego> thanks, that will do nicely!
<phoe> e.g. on my machine, (asdf:system-relative-pathname :phoe-toolbox #p"foo/bar.baz") ;=> #P"/home/phoe/Projects/Lisp/phoe-toolbox/foo/bar.baz"
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<scymtym> lukego: constructing the pathname is one aspect, the question whether to load the data at runtime or bake it into the image is another
<lukego> yeah. Just for right now I'm kicking the bake-an-image issue down the road. Current project is "migrate all the files randomly spread around /home/luke into the repo"
<lukego> but I'd like to do the images
<mfiano> lukego: Note however that will not work in a deployed setting.
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<mfiano> Baking the pathname into the image, then dumping an executable image, will probably not work when the executable is located somewhere else in some user's filesystem. You'll likely want to store relative pathnames, and then build the full pathname at runtime using POSIX argv0, or similar.
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<scymtym> that's true, but i meant baking the /data/ into the image
<scymtym> as in (defvar *my-blob* (alexandria:read-file-into-byte-vector CONSTRUCT-PATHNAME)) … (save-lisp-and-die …)
<mfiano> I see. In my case, I am developing a game engine/games, with many data assets, some single images being half a gigabyte.
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* Xach thinks of all the many multi-GB updates delivered to his console
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<ck_> I thought the cool kids now all play in The Cloud, with everything being remote
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<aeth> Or you could buy a dozen cheap computers and make your own cloud.
<aeth> *With* first-class Lisp support.
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<ck_> ok maybe. I'll go implement the Blackjack
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<aeth> Implement it by first writing an emulator for the RPC-4000. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
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<ck_> :-)
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