<HiRE>
Common Lisp Hyperspec, FIND-METHOD [:function]
<HiRE>
I guess im missing how im screwing up matching by having `val`
<HiRE>
do I need defgeneric to define the parameter list formally?
<Oladon>
It would seem that you already ran a defgeneric, and defined the generic as taking just one argument.
<no-defun-allowed>
How are you calling PUSH-STACK?
<no-defun-allowed>
Or yeah, maybe that.
<no-defun-allowed>
You also defined an accessor DATA, so why do you use (SLOT-VALUE STACK 'DATA) instead of (DATA STACK)?
<Josh_2>
^
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<HiRE>
because im a dummy
<HiRE>
lol
<HiRE>
I am not even calling it
<HiRE>
just loading it into slime
<HiRE>
let me restart my instance and try that
<HiRE>
perhaps I just have an old one lying around
<Oladon>
Any of you done anything with Server-Sent Events, by any chance? I'm trying to figure out what the "right" implementation is supposed to look like from the browser's perspective.
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<HiRE>
nope, however you may want to ping Xach
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<HiRE>
morning beach
<HiRE>
im discovering the wonders of clos
<semz>
good morning, for once a good morning that fits my timezone!
<beach>
HiRE: Great!
<HiRE>
I took a nap for way too long so on a technicality it also fits my life
<HiRE>
im motivated to bring computational geometry stuff to common lisp just to see how far I can push this thing
<HiRE>
the opengl bindings looked pretty performant so getting visuals up should be fun
<aeth>
opengl is performant, if you use a library like static-vectors instead of copying over to CFFI foreign C arrays
<aeth>
It's the difference between instant and minutes if you have enough geometry
<HiRE>
yes - for example I am doing research work in Python at the request of my advisor. The opengl bindings for python are absurdly slow.
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<aeth>
well, Python itself is absurdly slow
<HiRE>
That being said CL will be a hard pitch to him so I can't change that despite the faculty having a few symbolics nerds on staff.
<HiRE>
doesnt mean I can't use it myself though :)
<aeth>
you could write a Python-style syntactic reader macro and see how long it takes people to notice ;-)
<HiRE>
LOL reminds me of totally messing with the TA as an undergrad by abusing the crud out of C's preprocessor
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<HiRE>
Is there any reason for someone to ever use set or setq?
<HiRE>
it seems like setf works fine for everything
<beach>
Most people these days use only SETF.
<HiRE>
oh so set and setq are sort of antiquated then?
<beach>
Pretty much.
<HiRE>
I'd imagine setf is just another macro that uses those
<no-defun-allowed>
(set symbol expression) may as well be shorthand for (setf (symbol-value symbol) expression), if I'm not mistaken.
<beach>
Did you mean SETQ?
<beach>
And yes, if SYMBOL is a symbol macro, then it is as if SETF had been used instead.
<beach>
Apparently, that is true only if the symbol macro was made by SYMBOL-MACROLET.
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<beach>
So not by DEFINE-SYMBOL-MACRO.
<HiRE>
interesting
<ebrasca>
Good morning!
<beach>
Hello ebrasca.
<HiRE>
howdy
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<equwal>
Can I use usocket for a file TCP socket rather than host:port?
<no-defun-allowed>
I haven't seen any functions in usocket you can use to create a file socket (and I don't think those obey TCP), but the rest of the operations should work on such a socket if you create one using implementation-specific functions.
<equwal>
The gpg-agent already makes the socket by default, I just need to connect to it and use it properly.
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<equwal>
To be fair I'm a bit confused about that. Essentially I think I can use a file socket to remove the need for netcat and usocket as dependencies in that project.
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<phoe>
equwal: you mean a Unix socket, right?
<phoe>
I don't think usocket can do that. AFAIK it's limited to UDP and TCP sockets.
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<pjb>
equwal: the underlying implementation specific socket API usually allow unix sockets, so you could patch usocket to allow it too, or use your implementation specific API to create the usocket, and then use usocket to use it.
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<pfdietz>
Regret for missing ELS this year is the regret for the reason for missing it.
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<pjb>
pfdietz: what about a teleconference?
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<Bike>
they're already talking about that.
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<Shinmera>
I was already thinking of a streaming setup in case the conference does happen
<Shinmera>
But I'd have to talk that over with Didier, and I have to talk to the venue secretary first anyhow to see what they intend on doing about this mess.
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<ebrasca>
Shinmera: Do you recomend to do this year to ELS?
<Shinmera>
I'm sorry, I don't understand your question
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<ebrasca>
Shinmera: Do you recomend going this year to ELS?
<Shinmera>
I'm not frantic about the virus, so I do recommend going anyway.
<Shinmera>
However, powers outside my control may decide to force our hands and cancel the conference (travel bans etc.)
<Shinmera>
If that happens you will get a refund for the conference at least. Not sure what hotels or travel agencies would do.
<pfdietz>
Teleconference I would actually do.
<pfdietz>
Shinmera: CDC is now recommending anyone my age avoid long distance air travel.
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<_death>
here, everyone getting back from abroad has to quarantine self at home for 14 days
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<Shinmera>
One thing that's troubling is that the situation could change quite drastically between now and the conference date.
<Shinmera>
Both for better or worse.
<Shinmera>
It's really hard to say what the right call is.
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<pjb>
Shinmera: there are estimations of the evolution, you could guess what the situation will be.
<_death>
yes.. in each country it may be different.. for example, the containment approach leads to prolonged state of non-normality
<Shinmera>
That doesn't tell me anything really.
<_death>
air travel companies also suffer as a result and some may go out of business or radically change their business for the next few years
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<pjb>
Already, Italian people couldn't come to the conference anyways, so it would be good to make it a teleconference.
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<pfdietz>
Shinmera: it's almost certainly going to become much worse.
<jmercouris>
I didn't realize this channel was #coronavirus
<pfdietz>
Well, it is as related to ELS.
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<splittist>
It depends where you are. In Italy it may well get better. Even by the second half of April.
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<Shinmera>
Sure, but it won't help to discuss it here now. Be patient for updates, we are working on figuring it out. For now people have to make up their own minds whether they want to come or not.
<jmercouris>
pfdietz: I'm just joking :-P
* jackdaniel
missed the punchline
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<ebrasca>
Shinmera: Do you say no ELS this year?
<beach>
That is not what he is saying.
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<ebrasca>
But it is not sure like 100%.
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<beach>
Right, because we don't know what will happen between now and then. They may forbid the meeting, or the travel.
<ebrasca>
beach: I am going to try to go this year.
<beach>
I saw that. Sound good.
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<jcowan>
I know at least one technical conference that is allowing tele-attendance this year after years of resisting it, though nothing has been announced about conference fees so far. The conference is organized by a consulting company, so although it is done for the benefit of the community, it has to at least break even.
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<pfdietz>
Is Paul Rodriguez ever on this channel?
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<p_l>
jcowan: I'm starting to ponder about software to do massive online conference kind of stuff
<p_l>
Maybe even a form of hallway track
<jcowan>
I think the issues are that the Internet-as-we-know-it simply isn't any good at handling multi-participant video streams by reason of its structure.
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<dlowe>
it would help if the world weren't divided into client internet and server internet.
<dlowe>
That's not what the internet was designed for, but that's how it turned out.
<dlowe>
Around 2000, people made the mind-blowing discovery that computers could connect... to each other!
<dlowe>
and then we mostly forgot about it
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<phoe>
while watching youtube
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<pfdietz>
Cat videos are srs bsns
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<jackdaniel>
they've been made forgotten. marketing p2p as pirate-to-pirate did its job. //sorry for offtopic
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<pjb>
dlowe: That's the fault of IPv4 and NAT. With IPv6, peer-to-peer can make a come-back.
<pjb>
dlowe: but note that GSM operators have IPv4 networks and NAT for the smart phones…
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<White_Flame>
Tor is nice for true hash-based addressing across the internet, too
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<jackdaniel>
again, marketed as a criminal network ,)
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<Posterdati>
hi
<Posterdati>
is there anyone playing with google kickstart??
<p_l>
dlowe: throughout 1990s it was known as well
<dlowe>
1990s very few people had always-on connections.
<p_l>
dlowe: significant portion of the internet till pretty late had, due to exclusivity of internet
<p_l>
So lots of R&D on mbone
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<random-nick>
is a standard conforming compiler allowed to inline functions from the same file during file compilation?
<no-defun-allowed>
I wouldn't think so, without a declaration.