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<hectorhonn>
morning everyone
<fiddlerwoaroof>
morning hectorhonn
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<Nomenclatura>
What's the most used lisp dialect? clojure or clisp maybe?
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<beach>
Nomenclatura: Hard to know. But that's not a topic for this channel. This channel is dedicated to Common Lisp.
<beach>
Nomenclatura: CLISP is not a dialect. It is an implementation of Common Lisp.
<Nomenclatura>
alright
<beach>
Nomenclatura: If you need to abbreviate Common Lisp, then use "CL".
<beach>
Why do you need to know which dialect is most used?
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<beach>
Furthermore, there is no widespread agreement about what languages are Lisp dialects. So whether Clojure is one or not is not something people agree about.
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<beach>
None of my business, I guess.
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<Nomenclatura>
heh I was away for a bit
<Nomenclatura>
just curiosity really
<beach>
OK.
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<fiddlerwoaroof>
Nomenclatura: this sort of question is why ##lisp exists
<fiddlerwoaroof>
Although, I'm not sure how active that channel is
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<aeth>
Active enough. A question gets a response within a 24 hour period, like most of IRC.
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<Nomenclatura>
So this channel is rather strict topic wise I see\
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<fiddlerwoaroof>
Nomenclatura: yeah, #lisp is like #scheme or #clojure
<fiddlerwoaroof>
We occasionally have some digressions, but we generally try to stick to conversations about lisp and keep other topics in ##lisp or #lispcafe
<Nomenclatura>
alright
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<noobly>
how is web scraping and data analysis with common lisp? I've been using python with scrapy and pandas to get up to speed, was wondering if lisp has anything that offers similar convenience
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<pierpal>
emacs lisp is most probably the most used lisp
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<no-defun-allowed>
CL is pretty damn good at it, scraping is pretty easy
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<no-defun-allowed>
for HTML searching, there's lquery which I've used, and cl-ppcre is pretty good at searching plain text
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<fiddlerwoaroof>
noobly: lquery is very good
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<no-defun-allowed>
i wrote a bing dorker/http proxy scraper in CL and it's pretty fast
<noobly>
fiddlerwoaroof, no-defun-allowed: awesome, thanks. I'm hoping to move towards CL for that workflow eventually, I still have awhile to go getting comfortable with pandas though
<noobly>
but getting something set up with emacs/org-mode would be amazing
<noobly>
and CL :-)
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<krwq>
is there something like pushnew but which would replace the object every time?
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<buffergn0me>
krwq: What do you mean by replace the object?
<krwq>
buffergn0me: pushnew allows to specify :test function, say as a simple example you want to create an alist with that by specifying test to be (lambda (a b) (equal (car a) (car b))) but you'd like the list to be replaced when pushnew-ing
<krwq>
buffergn0me: other example you push objects of certain class and specify test as equal on one of the slots
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<beach>
krwq: So, let me see if I understand. With this new thing of yours, if the element is already in the list (as defined by some TEST and/or KEY), you want it to be replaced, but what if it is NOT in the list? Do you want to push it to the list then?
<krwq>
beach: correct
<buffergn0me>
Well, pushnew has a :KEY parameter, so you can do (PUSHNEW X Y :TEST #'EQUAL :KEY #'CAR) for the first example.
<beach>
krwq: You may have to write a few lines of Common Lisp code for that.
<krwq>
beach: fair enough, was wondering if there was something in the clhs which I didn't know about
<krwq>
thanks
<beach>
I kind of doubt it.
<krwq>
buffergn0me: that would leave the old list and not push/replace a new one
<buffergn0me>
Yes, I had a "Well, but," question, but beach explained it
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<White_Flame>
krwq: if you use MEMBER to search the list, it returns the cons cell where it's found, so you could easily replace it from there
<White_Flame>
and that also has the same :test/:key options
<krwq>
White_Flame: I've already replaced my code to use hash-table, but good to know for future - thanks!
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<splittist>
morning
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<beach>
Hello splittist.
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<LdBeth>
good morning
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<beach>
Hello LdBeth.
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<LdBeth>
when a function in CLHS takes an optional environment argument what excactly it expects?
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<shka__>
LdBeth: depends
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<shka__>
it can be only consider per function
<LdBeth>
ok, so an application usually would not use it then?
<shka__>
depends
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<shka__>
for instance, macros may use environment to figure out what variables are in the scope
<shka__>
lexical variables
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<shka__>
or you can explicitly pass environment sometimes
<shka__>
but as far as your ordinary code goes, probabbly it indeed won't use it
<LdBeth>
got it, thank you
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<shka__>
personally i don't think i ever was forced to use envs
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<shka__>
which is a good thing i think
<shka__>
because they are not perfectly polished in the standard
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<crsc>
OA
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<White_Flame>
AO
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<crsc>
;-)
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<LdBeth>
good morning
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<phenethylamine>
Anyone familiar with ironclad here who could possibly help me out with an issue I'm having? Or at least point me in the right direction to ask for help
<verisimilitude>
I've never used Ironclad, but I may still be able to help.
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<phenethylamine>
I'm using ironclad to implement http signatures, but i'm hitting a gotcha on actually performing the signature in that i can't get them to verify (using openssl rsautl -verify)
<phenethylamine>
i need to be signing using sha256 and I've gotten sha1 to verify on a site for testing, but not with openssl rsautl itself, and i've not gotten sha256 to verify with either, even though afaict it should just require a change from :sha1 to :sha256 in the call for ironclad:digest-sequence
<phenethylamine>
give me one sec to stick the code i'm using in a gist
<verisimilitude>
Well, I'll give it a look over, but I don't think I'll be able to help much.
<phenethylamine>
yeah, makes sense. I'm sorta in the dark in regards to this kind of crypto stuff, this is the only crypto-related thing i have to implement with this project and i'm just trying to get it done
<phenethylamine>
ty
<verisimilitude>
Yes, I suppose I'm not going to be particularly helpful here.
<verisimilitude>
I've never used Ironclad, so I can't really help with such a specific issue.
<verisimilitude>
My lone suggestion is to try GNUTLS as well and see if it's perhaps just some OpenSSL issue.
<phenethylamine>
that's a good point, yeah
<phenethylamine>
i'll try that, ty
<verisimilitude>
It's no issue.
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<jmercouris>
how does Gnu mailman work? how would it be possible to implement a clone in CL?
<jmercouris>
ah, well, I think everyone in this channel will be happen to know that I found a way to serialize the query result into a set of structs that I could more easily manipulate- instead of using plists
<jmercouris>
pjb included
<pjb>
jmercouris: it's possible to implement a clone of anything in CL.
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<pjb>
jmercouris: still, have a look at sedit.
<jmercouris>
I was trying, but the page isn't loading for me
<jmercouris>
I'll try again
<jmercouris>
ok this time it loaded
<pjb>
You may start with (sedit '(list :a "fish" :b "salmon")) and type the commands: i n n n n n r "carp" q
<pjb>
or (let ((list '(list :a "fish" :b "salmon"))) (setf list (sedit list)) list) ;-)
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<jmercouris>
pjb: why do you do the reverse URL notation for your package and system names?
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