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<inaimathi>
Can anyone point me to a quick example for how to use `qlot` to install a package in a local `quicklisp` instance?
<inaimathi>
From inside Lisp, I mean, not from raw command line.
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<inaimathi>
I'm trying `(qlot:with-local-quicklisp (#P"/home/inaimathi/.cl-notebook/") (qlot:install :skippy))` and getting "Component not found" errors
<inaimathi>
(ditto with `qlot:quickload` instead of `qlot:install`)
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<johnnymacs>
I have read that lisp has been very performant on quantum computers.
<vtomole>
jonnymacs: Rigetti uses Lisp in there software stack. You can't actually run lisp on a quantum computer, but it is used to build toolchains for quantum computers.
<vtomole>
*their
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<johnnymacs>
So if there was a language that could run on a quantum computer it could do something lisp could not do.
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<siraben>
johnnymacs: Quantum computers cannot compute anything more than an existing computer can
<siraben>
johnnymacs: It may do things more quickly in certain tasks (e.g. number factorization, SAT solving, search problems), but it can't solve the halting problem
<Bike>
but what if it runs every program at once through superposition so that i don't have to learn how quantum annealing works
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<johnnymacs>
does god play dice?
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<fouric>
Question: I have a CLOS class foo and a subclass bar. How do I get the initial form of a bar slot to be the initial value of a (different) foo slot?
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<jeosol>
@pierpa, @Bike, @Stacksmith, for their help last night, I was able to resolve the parallel functionality
<Bike>
oh, nice.
<jeosol>
really appreciate the help man
<Bike>
fouric: you mean you want one slot's initform to be based on another slot's value?
<fouric>
Bike: Yes, that. Sorry.
<jeosol>
I now have speed up factor of at least 3 with a 2-second evaluation case. Should be higher for the main problem
<Bike>
you'd have to do it in an :after method on shared-initialize, or similar stuff
<Bike>
:initform won't cut it
<fouric>
Hm...
* fouric
goes to read the PCL chapter on methods
<fouric>
(again)
<fouric>
...oh
<fouric>
I think that a similar problem was posed and solved, and I just missed it.
<fouric>
Let me try that.
<fouric>
(sorry)
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<jeosol>
is there a command to view threads in my slime session and subsequently kill threads an lparallel worker?
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<patrixl>
Hi Siraben
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<khrbt>
jeosol: (bt:all-threads) ?
<jeosol>
Thanks khrbt
<jeosol>
that worked, but I can't kill the lparallel worker, so I switched to using bt-threads directly.
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<jeosol>
I had one lparallel worker running in the background and when I rand (bt:all-threads), I still the lparallel threads running and printing out
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<pierpa>
jeosol: glad to hear you made progresses
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<jeosol>
@pierpa, thanks for your help man. The parallel functional is running ok. I am trying to get cloud instances to do the runs. I am cleaning out the code to make sure it does not fail on the lisp/sbcl slide
<jeosol>
*side
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<johnnymacs>
does god play dice?
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<pierpa>
Define god (but in #lispcafe please)
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<jack_rabbit>
Is there a reason quicklisp doesn't like symlinks in the local-projects directory?
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<khrbt>
jack_rabbit: what did you try and is there an error message?
<jack_rabbit>
I just symlinked a project into the local-projects directory. Just says "couldn't find package whatever"
<jack_rabbit>
Copying the dir works.
<Bike>
(ql:register-local-projects)
<jack_rabbit>
I see. Thanks.
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<didi>
jack_rabbit: I like to use ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d
<didi>
ASDF's manual explains it.
<jack_rabbit>
didi, interesting. I'll have to take a look. Thanks.
<didi>
jack_rabbit: np
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<dtornabene>
good morning
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<presiden>
morning beach
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<stacksmith>
hello beach
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<SaganMan>
Morning peeps
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<fourier>
morning
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<oleo>
morning
<beach>
Hello oleo.
<phoe>
Morning, everyone
<beach>
Hello phoe.
<jackdaniel>
minion: chant greetings
<minion>
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<earl-ducaine>
I'm running into a peculiar error with cffi:with-foreign-slots. The message: Attempt to bind a special variable with SYMBOL-MACROLET: WIDTH
<earl-ducaine>
looking at the expansion the following is a minimal example of that type of error:
<|3b|>
"If an attempt is made to bind a symbol that is defined as a global variable, an error of type program-error is signaled. "
<earl-ducaine>
Yes, so the problem seems to be that if you have a special variable that has the same name as you've assigned to one of your structure slots, you get the error.
<|3b|>
one of the reasons we use ** on names of special variables and ++ for constants
<earl-ducaine>
Surely that must be a bug in cffi, yes?
<|3b|>
not much it can do
<|3b|>
same as cl:with-slots
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<|3b|>
possibly with-foreign-slots should allow explicitly naming the variable so you could work around that, but not really a 'bug'
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<earl-ducaine>
Holy crap. I'd never noticed that before. I'd always assumed that with-slots created a lexical binding for the slot name.
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<|3b|>
no portable way to make a lexical binding that overrides a global special declamation, so it can't do that (without being a special form at least), and it would still have to figure out how to get the writes back to the slot
<didi>
Constants are a weird thing to have in a highly interactive environment. I always try to redefine them at some point.
<|3b|>
yeah, i just don't even bother with them at all
<didi>
*nod* I gave up on them.
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<|3b|>
maybe if i can prove that some specific thing actually affects performance i might change it to a constant
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<stacksmith>
|3b|: SBCL definitely compiles shorter code if you use constants. Of course it's not worth it unless it's in a tight loop...
<stacksmith>
didi: it's for things like pi - things you really do not intend to change.
<stacksmith>
alexandria's define-constant is worth it.
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<_death>
sbcl also provides defglobal
<Shinmera>
Any idea why Drakma might be interpreting a stream with a wrong encoding even if I explicitly specify :external-format-in as :utf-8 AND the server returns a conte-type with charset utf-8?
<Shinmera>
*content
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<|3b|>
wrong encoding, and not just returning binary?
<Shinmera>
No, other clients chew it fine.
<Shinmera>
dexador and curl both work as expected.
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<|3b|>
i mean it errors or returns garbage text, rather than returning an octet vector
<Colleen>
(noun): a high-level computer programming language devised for list processing.
<Colleen>
(verb): speak with a lisp
<Colleen>
(noun): a speech defect in which s is pronounced like th in thick and z is pronounced like th in this
<Shinmera>
There we go
<_death>
maybe condense to one line
<Shinmera>
Makes it much harder to read and would overflow IRC limit pretty quick anyhow.
<_death>
yes, but the latter is a symptom of the problem
<random-nick>
iirc IRC only allows 512 characters per command
<Shinmera>
I'm not sure what you're telling me to do. I can't exactly shorten the definitions.
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<_death>
not telling you what to do.. just my thoughts
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<beach>
vtomole: I answered your PM
<_death>
for example, a bot could have a "personality" (changing every week? :) and pick a definition according to it..
<_death>
or it could try to determine the right one from the context
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<Shinmera>
That first example sounds awful, and the second one sounds very hard and prone to errors.
<myrkraverk>
Shinmera: iirc, you can set your own conversion routine, which is what I did in one project.
<myrkraverk>
and therefore forcibly do whatever en/de-coding you actually want.
<Shinmera>
myrkraverk: Setting application/json in the text-content-types fixed my issue.
<myrkraverk>
ok.
<_death>
Shinmera: gnarl favors "errors" ;)
<myrkraverk>
In other news, apparently lldb can't print a variable if it's called "new" in C.
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<myrkraverk>
I don't know if that's a facedesk moment, or not.
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<fourier>
anyone about limitatons of SLY in contrast to SLIME? Just installed and it looks real good. Any reasons not to switch to it from SLIME?
<makomo>
hello
<makomo>
Xach: i found this answer of yours https://stackoverflow.com/a/22796292 that references a dead link. web.archive also doesn't give me back anything
<makomo>
(by the above web archive comment i was referring specifically to the link you gave in the answer)
<makomo>
section 2.5 seems to mention multiple values so i guess that's it?
<makomo>
Xach: ermmm, i have no idea why the link works now...
<makomo>
maybe i misclicked or something, i have no idea what happened
<makomo>
sorry about that
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<vtomole>
beach: Thank you.
<|3b|>
fourier: last time i looked sly had no equivalent of slime-sprof
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<|3b|>
(which is a reason not to switch for me, but may or may not matter to others)
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<fourier>
I see
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<beach>
Hah! There was a bug in the incremental parser for Second Climacs. Once the bug fixed, the parser is 10 times as fast as we claimed in our ELS submission. For a buffer with 120 top-level forms, each 10 lines long, inserting and deleting an opening parenthesis at the beginning (this the worst-case scenario) takes less than 2ms for the parser to handle. And there are no doubt even more optimizations possible.
<beach>
So we will supply more and better benchmark results for the final version of the paper.
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<pierpa>
:)
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<flip214>
beach: what was the bug? commit link?
<flip214>
just curious what would have a 10x impact...
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<beach>
flip214: A parse result indicating end-of-file was stuck in the data structure and prevented the cache from working properly.
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<beach>
flip214: So instead of returning cached parse results, it parsed the buffer again.
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<pierpa>
beach: do you use some kind of packrat parser? Is the paper already available?
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<Equwal>
test, please disregard
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<beach>
pierpa: The referees wanted more benchmarks, so that is what I have been working on so far.
<beach>
pjb: Yeah. It will be something like that.
<pierpa>
aha! so you cache whole top-level exprs, I guess. I thought you cache at a fiber grain
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<beach>
I also cache nested expressions.
<pierpa>
Uff. *I thought you csched at finer grsin.
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<beach>
sort of, yes. :)
<beach>
pierpa: I understood.
<pierpa>
Ok. You understand what I should have typed :)
<beach>
Expressions form a tree, and when a top-level expression is modified, I rescue the sub-expression that are still valid.
<beach>
Yes, I did.
<pierpa>
Ok
<beach>
So as it turns out, it is very fast. See pages 4 and 5.
<beach>
And this is despite the fact that I use Gray streams, so I have several generic-function calls for each character read.
<pierpa>
Yep. Good result.
<beach>
Another piece of evidence that the right data structure with no particular micro optimizations beats the wrong data structure with lots of micro optimizations.
<pjb>
beach: do you build a dependency graph between toplevel forms?
<beach>
pjb: Currently I only parse them and compute indentation. Later, I will try to use an incremental version of my first-class global environments between each top-level form and actually call the compiler at typing speed.
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<beach>
You are funny, just like some of the referees. I mean, I do orders of magnitude better than any existing editor. And I get harassed for not solving the halting problem at typing speed.
<pjb>
:-)
<beach>
So, yes, there are still cases that I can't handle, and some that I never will be able to handle.
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<pjb>
Well, there are reader macros that allows to embed different programming languages. You just have to be careful with them, (avoiding indenting python or pascal code like lisp code).
<beach>
#.(incf *some-variable*) for instance.
<beach>
Sure.
<beach>
Custom reader macros are handled correctly, but I can't do much with what they return.
<pierpa>
Perhaps pjb *was* one of the refeeres... :)
<beach>
That's possible.
<pjb>
Ultimately, there's the problem of #+sbcl #-sbcl, where you could have to ident differently a form, depending on the implementation… This is a problem for all the docstring parsers I've seen.
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<beach>
I don't plan to process forms that are read with read-ignore (is that what it is called?).
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<pjb>
beach: you can always say that what is difficult for your program to process, is difficult for the human programmer to read, so it ought to be written differently.
<beach>
Sure, I can do that.
<beach>
There is a phase where I try to match up the parse results with the expression returned by the reader. If they are too strange, I don't compute indentation.
<beach>
Dinner. I'll be back later.
<pjb>
Bon appetit!
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<Guest43479>
Hey - just installed sbcl via homebrew on osx. I used `which sbcl` and used that with the shebang in the header `#!/usr/local/bin/sbcl --script` but it doesn't appear to load properly when run. Running this just via the command line works fine `/usr/local/bin/sbcl --script filename.lisp` not sure if anyone else had run into this?
<Guest43479>
I've made python scripts with the shebang that run just fine as well
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<malice>
So how does it behave?
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<Guest43479>
./compile.lisp: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `;;' ./compile.lisp: line 3: `;; testing comment'
<Guest43479>
Just throws syntax errors
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<malice>
Did you try it with the default shebang header?
<malice>
If all you want to do is run a script, you might also want to check out the Roswell project: https://github.com/roswell/roswell
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<malice>
Also, since you're on mac, try to change the shebang for nonsense and see if it still works this way. On my system, giving wrong path shows "wrong interpreter[...]"; it might be that your interpreter is not loading properly
<malice>
(or you might have syntax errors)
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<Guest43479>
Interesting, thanks, yeah I'm getting a bad interpreter with nonsense for the shebang
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<Guest43479>
Its not too big of a deal since `sbcl --script filename.lisp` is working, more curious than anything else
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<stacksmith>
I am using CFFI to manage a foreign buffer. It contains multiple instances of a C structure at offsets not known until runtime (and changing often). WITH-FOREIGN-SLOTS seems to be a dead end as it has no provision to take an additional has no provision to take an additional offset - And it would have to be a dynamic offset as I need to access multiple instances of this structure... Any suggestions?
<stacksmith>
(sorry for redundant repetition - a paste error...)
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<Bike>
er, you mean the offest of a slot within the structure changes?
<stacksmith>
No, the structures themselves are sprinkled at different offsets in the buffer.
<stacksmith>
I am reluctant to use inc-pointer after learning that it conses up new pointers every time - I would prefer to avoid that...
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<stacksmith>
Basically, I need the symbol-macrolets generated by with-foreign-slots to add an offset of the structure itself to the pointer...
<Bike>
with-foreign-slots expands into foreign-slot-value which expands into inc-pointer
<stacksmith>
In my SBCL it expands to (foreign-struct-slot-value ...) which in turn turns into (mem-ref ...)
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<stacksmith>
I will restate my question: I have a custom way of doing this, but it seemed silly to have to define structures when CFFI already does that. Perhaps it's not so silly and I should continue without using CFFI for this.
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<stacksmith>
I mean "continue without using CFFI structures."
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<fe[nl]ix>
stacksmith: use inc-pointer
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<stacksmith>
fe[nl]ix: I can't figure out how much overhead it incurs as it goes deep into transforms and whatnot...
<stacksmith>
And I have a 3-line macro that does it with no overhead...
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<fe[nl]ix>
stacksmith: use the default way and switch to a custom thing only if it proves to be slow, measurably
<fe[nl]ix>
you've already wasted too much time on this
<stacksmith>
That is sensible.
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<Bike>
think i've heard of one, but i couldn't tell you where to get it
<Bike>
by itself that's like a three line macro obviously
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