sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja
AlineGomes has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
onabreak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
ghost43 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
ghost43 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has quit [Quit: Leaving]
dabura667 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
oleganza has quit [Quit: oleganza]
rusty has left #bitcoin-wizards [#bitcoin-wizards]
Belkaar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
Belkaar has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Belkaar has quit [Changing host]
Belkaar has joined #bitcoin-wizards
harrymm has quit []
harrymm has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheSeven has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
rmwb has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Ylbam has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
devrandom has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
AaronvanW has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
rmwb has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
alferz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rmwb has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
rmwb has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jb55 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
oleganza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
DougieBot5000 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
DougieBot5000 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
blarney has joined #bitcoin-wizards
notmike has joined #bitcoin-wizards
keymone has joined #bitcoin-wizards
bendricklamar has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rmwb has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
rmwb has joined #bitcoin-wizards
legogris has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
legogris has joined #bitcoin-wizards
alferz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Fugazi has quit []
jtimon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
Guest27924 is now known as teslax
rmwb_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rmwb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
rmwb_ has quit [Client Quit]
Aranjedeath has quit [Quit: Three sheets to the wind]
spinza has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
gazab has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
gazab has joined #bitcoin-wizards
smilpent has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jb55 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
oleganza has quit [Quit: oleganza]
spinza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Dizzle has joined #bitcoin-wizards
JackH has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Dizzle has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
JackH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Leminer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
mesh_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
aem has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
Leminer has joined #bitcoin-wizards
windsok_ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
windsok has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
meshcoll- has joined #bitcoin-wizards
JackH has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
aem has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
andytosh1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
JackH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
meshcoll- is now known as mesh_
JackH has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
JackH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
andytoshi has joined #bitcoin-wizards
notmike has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
dnaleor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
laurentmt has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Emcy has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Emcy has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Emcy has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Emcy has joined #bitcoin-wizards
gielbier has joined #bitcoin-wizards
daszorz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Hunger- has joined #bitcoin-wizards
wxss has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
wxss has joined #bitcoin-wizards
vicenteH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dabura667 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
dabura667 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
anon616 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
anon616 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Giszmo has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
roconnor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
itsme_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has left #bitcoin-wizards [#bitcoin-wizards]
spinza has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...]
thrmo has quit [Quit: Waiting for .007]
AaronvanW has joined #bitcoin-wizards
intcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<stevenroose>
THey say "In cryptocurrencies, stealth addresses refer to addresses that have been derived from a master key, but that cannot be linked to other addresses derived from the same key."
<stevenroose>
Is this a common definition?
<stevenroose>
(It sounds to me more like a description of HD wallets.)
<stevenroose>
They do follow with "The addresses generated by hierarchical deterministic (HD) wallets can be viewed as a form of stealth address"
LeMiner2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Leminer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
LeMiner2 is now known as Leminer
ftknox_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<andytoshi>
i'd probably call anything that fits that description a "stealth address", yeah, but i've never seen it defined except in specific forms
leonidaz0r has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
leonidaz0r has joined #bitcoin-wizards
blarney has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
Giszmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
onabreak has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jtimon has joined #bitcoin-wizards
notmike has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Chris_Stewart_5 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
docdrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
meshcollider has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
akrmn has joined #bitcoin-wizards
docdrow has joined #bitcoin-wizards
CheckDavid has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
Chris_Stewart_5 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
coinsmurf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
blarney has joined #bitcoin-wizards
blarney is now known as Guest21184
Noldorin has joined #bitcoin-wizards
coinsmurf has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Giszmo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
shesek has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
oleganza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Giszmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
danrobinson has joined #bitcoin-wizards
JackH has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
daszorz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
JackH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Murch has joined #bitcoin-wizards
devrandom has joined #bitcoin-wizards
shesek has joined #bitcoin-wizards
shesek has quit [Changing host]
shesek has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Chris_Stewart_5 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<akrmn>
So back to what I was saying 2 days ago...I was just reading about SNARKs being used for Zcash and Hawk. And apparently the creation of proofs is cpu intensive, but the verification is quick. But what about space efficiency (storing in segwit data)? Is that the problem? Can someone give me links to more reading for how short these proofs are with current knowlege.
<akrmn>
also I know andytoshi worked on Mimblewimble. So how do the proofs compare among different cases for the sidechains (bitcoin based, mimble wimble, something else)
leonidaz0r has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
jb55 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
leonidaz0r has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
thrmo has quit [Quit: Waiting for .007]
BashCo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
ariard has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has quit [Quit: Leaving]
coinsmurf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
leonidaz0r has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
leonidaz0r has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ftknox_ is now known as ftknox
coinsmurf has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<Chris_Stewart_5>
Is it possible to *prevent* the usage of confidential assets if you have included CT in a blockchain?
<sipa>
CT and CA are not the same
<Chris_Stewart_5>
hmm, I thought the primitives were the same
<sipa>
yes, they both rely on ring signatures
<sipa>
your question is similar to asking is it possible to prevent the usage of RSA if you have included ECDSA in a blockchain
laurentmt has quit [Quit: laurentmt]
Ylbam has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
vicenteH has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
nephyrin has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<kanzure>
sipa: or he is asking about covenants
<sipa>
if you're using covenants the resulting asset types wouldn't be confidential, i expect
meshcollider has joined #bitcoin-wizards
arubi has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
arubi has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheSeven has joined #bitcoin-wizards
hdevalence has joined #bitcoin-wizards
bildramer1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
bildramer has joined #bitcoin-wizards
notmike has left #bitcoin-wizards [#bitcoin-wizards]
kaputt has joined #bitcoin-wizards
ariard has quit [Quit: Leaving]
kewde[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
kewde[m] has joined #bitcoin-wizards
daszorz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
hdevalence has quit [Quit: hdevalence]
hdevalence has joined #bitcoin-wizards
oleganza has quit [Quit: oleganza]
leonidaz0r has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
leonidaz0r has joined #bitcoin-wizards
wxss_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
wxss has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
wxss_ is now known as wxss
Mutter___ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Mutter___ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
oleganza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
oleganza has quit [Client Quit]
kaputt has left #bitcoin-wizards [#bitcoin-wizards]
oleganza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Chris_Stewart_5 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
<roconnor_>
I think Chris was thinking that confidential transactions were so confidential that you coudln't tell if there were other assests invloved. However, I think the fact of the matter is that the range proofs in CT prove that there are no other assets involved.
ftknox has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
oleganza has quit [Quit: oleganza]
hdevalence has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Mutter___ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Aaronvan_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Aaronva__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Aaronvan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
Mutter___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Aaronva__ is now known as AaronvanW
airbreather has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
oleganza has joined #bitcoin-wizards
danrobinson has quit [Quit: danrobinson]
hdevalence has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dnaleor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
dnaleor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
pavle_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
pavle_ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
dnaleor has quit [Quit: Leaving]
daszorz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]