<wpwrak>
hmm. that will get messy. the belt for raising the blinds in my office broke yesterday, so i can't just open the window to let the critter out. instead, i'll have to divert it to another room ...
<wpwrak>
now it's hiding somewhere
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<rjeffries>
Preface: haters gonna hate, as the saying goes. <smile> but this looks interesting to moi:
<paul_boddie>
I can't remember whether the EOMA68 stuff maintains compatibility, but the whole Compute Board thing looks like a rehash of EOMA68 in an arguably less convenient form factor. And another way to dump unwanted Broadcom parts. ;-)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: huh, bat? switch off the light in room, they actually *use* their eyes too and don't fly into the dark
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<wpwrak>
the problem is that getting out wouldn't have been easy. it would have to fly into the corridor, make an immediate turn. then get out the window. they usually have a hard enough time even finding a wide open window right in the same room. i think they get very confused when caught indoors.
<wpwrak>
well, it eventually got itself caught between window and blinds. then i could gently guide it (with a flashlight and compressed air) to a little opening where it could escape.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: use your HCl stash
<wpwrak>
i still plan to inhabit the place after the bat removal :)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
why remove it first place? I'd feed and name it.
<DocScrutinizer05>
you first should clean it though. They often have parasites
<DocScrutinizer05>
just like their closest relatives, the hedgehogs
<wpwrak>
yeha, i thought of that. have my own personal anti-mosquito bodyguard. but then i suppose bats aren't easily domesticated, especially if they're already adults
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm, domestication might be hard, but offering it a comfortable home might result in it staying with you
<wpwrak>
by the way, we have lots of bats in buenos aires. they're far from being an endangered species around here.
<whitequark>
I don't think "domestication" even works with wild animals in general
<wpwrak>
bats make their homes in the boxes where blinds are rolled up. the problem is that they dont mind living in their own excrements ...
<wpwrak>
and i suppose their dead and such are also "buried" right there
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<wpwrak>
sometimes they seem to get a bit confused and bump against windows and blinds. over and over again. maybe they're mistaking the building. then i rattle the blinds a bit to make sure any that may have crept in get out again.
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<whitequark>
wait, bats are mammals O_o
<wpwrak>
yes, so if you chase them away too late, they leave their young behind to starve and rot
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<whitequark>
hmm, Argentina also has rabies-infected vampire bats
<wpwrak>
probably, yes
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: also, these critters are quite ugly. not at all like cute kitten.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
dang, what bats do you have there? I had only nice lovely little bats in my living room
<wpwrak>
back in transylvania, before the villagers got discriminatory :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
lovely ntil I turned them into com-bats
<DocScrutinizer05>
do they carry lazors? then they are mine
<wpwrak>
haven't seen any beam weapons. they bump into a lot of things, though. maybe that's because they're out of the range of your brain control device.
<DocScrutinizer05>
just noticed my mouse OS had a hickup. Maybe that's why
<DocScrutinizer05>
funny how it fired an endless button-repeat that caused a lot of stuff I never knew was even possibly, by simply moving the mouse cursur over things on screen
<DocScrutinizer05>
must've been a scrollwheel-right repeat
<DocScrutinizer05>
holding ctrl or alt on kbd caused really weird effects, like zooming in pdf viewer
<whitequark>
that's weird?
<DocScrutinizer05>
no. not when you know what's going on. As well as constant cycling between all open windows when moving cursor over kde task manager
<DocScrutinizer05>
or instant closing of menu after you opened it with LMB-click
<DocScrutinizer05>
really weird is the logitech mouse OS, whatever it might be on that MX revolution
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, I'm happy a simple power cycling of MX finally solved and fixed it
<DocScrutinizer05>
which makes me wonder how to fnd out about uptime of the mouse OS
<whitequark>
it's usually not the mouse but the OS who cycles the button
<whitequark>
because it loses the mouse-up event somehow
<whitequark>
though, with wheel... idk
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, that can't be it since I operated all mouse buttons manually, whioch didn't fix it
<DocScrutinizer05>
I even umplugged and replugged the BT receiver, which also didn't fix it
<DocScrutinizer05>
also funny that all (other) mouse buttons worked, as much (or as little) as I been able to check it
<DocScrutinizer05>
when I started suspecting mouse button, I first checked all buttons tactile and acoustical and considered them mechanically OK
<DocScrutinizer05>
then I switched off mouse to see if the effect stopped, which it did, immediately. And hooray, it stayed like that when I switched mouse on again
<DocScrutinizer05>
since the OS (linux) doesn't even notice when I switch off the BT mouse, since the BT receiver still is up and running, I guess it can't be an effect related to linux in any way
<DocScrutinizer05>
hell yeah, EU court said "Voratsdatenspeicherung" is illegal
<whitequark>
the fuck is that word?
<DocScrutinizer05>
vorrat...
<DocScrutinizer05>
(save all metadata of all communications for 6 months)
<DocScrutinizer05>
THAT is great!
<whitequark>
right
<DocScrutinizer05>
since, you know, it's not like our authorities would be ANY better than NSA
<DocScrutinizer05>
(mouse) I already been afraid of collateral damage by my latest khotkeys hack to ESC away any kmail "please re-enter you username and password for this POP3 account, since last login failed" requester
<DocScrutinizer05>
would've been an intriguing task to revert or disable that hack, with a desktop going amok like this
<whitequark>
some neighboor is cooking some kind of meat, and it smells DELICIOUS
* whitequark
looks at a pristinely empty fridge
<DocScrutinizer05>
knock. Tell something about gas leak!
<DocScrutinizer05>
I just need to look at my empty money purse
* DocScrutinizer05
wonders whether to have last cafe latte now, or save it for tomorrow
<whitequark>
yes. fortunately I don't have this problem right now
<whitequark>
there's rumors however that USD will soon be out of circulation in RU
<DocScrutinizer05>
haha
<whitequark>
with all the effects on economy it implies
<DocScrutinizer05>
my condolences
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems putin is wildly determined to do a time leap back to cold war, with all the nice black&white friend or foe thinking
<DocScrutinizer05>
might help for his very private ambitions, though it prolly kills russia's last 30 years of progress
<whitequark>
something like that
* whitequark
ponders saving some USD in cash for the possible upcoming black market
<DocScrutinizer05>
ex warshaw pact turning into a horde of cro magnon bawling "Putin! Putin! Putin!"
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/warshaw pact/USSR/
<qi-bot>
DocScrutinizer05 meant: "ex USSR turning into a horde of cro magnon bawling "Putin! Putin! Putin!""
<DocScrutinizer05>
and "kill the fascists!"
<DocScrutinizer05>
of course everybody being a fascist who's not pro Putin
<DocScrutinizer05>
or, even when you shout "Putin hooray!" this won't help you becoming a fascist when your nose isn't looking the right way in Putin's eyes. Or you're gay then
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<DocScrutinizer05>
take care with your laundry, wash colors *separately* !
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: maybe you better use some USD to leave that nasty place
<DocScrutinizer05>
before your nose looks gay
<whitequark>
right now my options are, basically, exchange slavery in RU to slavery to big western multinational company X or Y (you probably know and hate both X and Y.)
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, there are many shades of gray in slavery
<whitequark>
sure. in other circumstances, I would probably like a job in X or Y, even if I disagree with their business decisions
<DocScrutinizer05>
and it's more or less compulsory, depending on where you live and who thinks to own the right to you
<wpwrak>
hmm, dhl. expected a parcel the size of a book. got one about 1/2 m^3. well, sometimes people get crazy with packaging materials. then peeked inside. some cosmetic printing supplies. definitely not what i expected.
<DocScrutinizer05>
LOL
<DocScrutinizer05>
wtf is cosmetic printing?
<wpwrak>
and the true recipient put a phone number that no longer exists, so i couldn't even tell them that they don't need to worry. ah well.
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: but when the result of a layoff, no matter how it turned out that way, is compulsory return to RU within 1-2 months... I'd rather wait for a bit longer
<whitequark>
and try to seek some better options
<DocScrutinizer05>
that#s prolly wise
<DocScrutinizer05>
otoh you soon may ask for asylum
<wpwrak>
maybe some colors or such. it looks like printer supplies, maybe even a printer. there's even some color calibration document (according to the envelope). i only dug as deep as i had to to find a name.
<whitequark>
asylum seekers seem to be unpopular lately. #StopTheBoats and the like
<whitequark>
I doubt there's much goodwill that way
<DocScrutinizer05>
that depends. You're a highly qualified CS expert
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're welcoming those
<whitequark>
mhmm
<whitequark>
by the way, c't hacks never arrived :(
<DocScrutinizer05>
and you got some money still
<whitequark>
neither previous issue nor the current one
<DocScrutinizer05>
write to their customer service
<wpwrak>
in argentine, foreigners live and work for many years without proper paperwork ...
<whitequark>
but I don't know german (yet!)...
<DocScrutinizer05>
you know english
<wpwrak>
so if russia gets too hot, there's always that option :)
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: you think that's sufficient? the website is 100% in DE, isn't it?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I know a few english men that never even tried learning German though they live here for years or even decades
<whitequark>
ah. good. I'll wait for a week more, to account for russian post
<wpwrak>
ah yes, you'd have to learn some new survival strategies, like not taking the train
<wpwrak>
it's okay to watch them from afar, though. since they're very slow (else they wouldn't even make it out of the station without derailing), they debris won't fly very far
<whitequark>
...
<whitequark>
is it really that bad?
<wpwrak>
well, there hasn't been a newsworthy accident in the last few months
<DocScrutinizer05>
I couldn't live with that power supplier situation
<DocScrutinizer05>
unless I got my own power plant
<wpwrak>
but i can see the trains crawl into the station that had the last two crashes. well, if i sit very still, i can see them crawl. otherwise i'd think they're just parked on the track.
<DocScrutinizer05>
20kW would suffice. The excess I can live with occasionally not being available from national grid
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: I would think Argentina has some cheap fuel
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: no major power mishaps lately. the brutally hot december was followed by an unusually cool summer, so air conditioning use was low
<wpwrak>
whitequark: argentina had that, yes ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
some ages ago, you mean
<wpwrak>
... then the government decided it had to apply some price controls, to make sure it stayed cheap.
<DocScrutinizer05>
ouch
<DocScrutinizer05>
the effect of such measure is the same anywhere on this globe
<wpwrak>
a few years later: due to total lack of investment, argentina changed from a reasonably large exporter to a major importer. and still it.
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it worked like a clockwork.
<whitequark>
facepalm.
<wpwrak>
bolivia and uruguay are very happy. bolivia can basically lean back and live off the money that's coming in for selling gas to argentina. uruguay is running all their power plants at 200% (or so) to make sure the ... argentina. nice business, too.
<DocScrutinizer05>
haha, actually a plot like honecker's plan to take over the west, by abolishing GDR
<DocScrutinizer05>
it worked, meanwhile NSA and BKA do a better job than horch&guck ever did
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's a nice satiric 'infotainment report' called "the truth about GDR" where they reveal Honeckers secret plan to take over the west
<wpwrak>
... was the DHL interrupt
<wpwrak>
... should have been s/argentina/the lights don't go out in buenos aires/
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: i think the worst that could happen to the west was "winning" the cold war
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
* DocScrutinizer05
can't help but thinking about herbicides, which cause the herbs to grow to death, literally
<wpwrak>
ah. perfect. the recipient of my stuff was quicker than me and rejected it upon receipt. very good.
<DocScrutinizer05>
end of cold war directly kicked us back into wild west capitalism
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually the west doesn't need to compete with anybody anymore about the better system for the people
<wpwrak>
well, or something. maybe they just weren't there. seems that DHL uses "rejected" for any non-delivery. i see that this shipment was also "rejected" last friday.
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: exactly that is the problem
<wpwrak>
now there's no reason anymore to be "nice". screw the plebs.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-S
<DocScrutinizer05>
so maybe actually hooray Putin! X-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
did I say that?
<wpwrak>
that is, of course, until china has fully caught up. i somehow think it won't take all that long for this to happen. maybe another decade.
<DocScrutinizer05>
or less
<wpwrak>
i see nothing in putin's actions that would be in any way more reprehensible than what other major powers have done under similar circumstances
<DocScrutinizer05>
they are already on par on a considerable 2 digit percentage of the whole picture
<DocScrutinizer05>
e.g they build their own windmills
<DocScrutinizer05>
farewell Germany
<DocScrutinizer05>
soon they'll export them to us
<wpwrak>
they still have to find a way to deal with people getting unhappy with nasty work conditions at factories, and relax a bit about communication. but then they''ve made it
<DocScrutinizer05>
unhappy? that word doesn't exist in chinese language, I guess
<wpwrak>
yeah, .cn engineering has largely caught up with the west. they're still a bit behind on creativity, but that won't last forever
<DocScrutinizer05>
problem solved
<wpwrak>
oh, it does. they're not just little robots.
<DocScrutinizer05>
and regarding communication I guess they are years ahead of us
<DocScrutinizer05>
erdogan just catching up
<DocScrutinizer05>
we can do bets who will be next. Prolly Hungary
<DocScrutinizer05>
did you ever hear of crimes committed in GDR? It simply didn't exist - except when a westerner was on visit and misbehaved. I guess same applies to the concept of "unhappy" in China
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually the only crime ever officially mentioned in GDR were those who tried to leave the country
<DocScrutinizer05>
"unhappy"? pffff!
<wpwrak>
i think they'll eventually come around. i can understand why the government is very cautious about discouraging political experiments. remember "The Great Leap Forward" ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
who cares?
<wpwrak>
a charismatic troublemaker is really the last thing china needs
<DocScrutinizer05>
hehe yeah
<wpwrak>
well, at least now they have the industrial capacity to keep up with producing body bags, should it come to that ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
sozial and economical dynamics get kinda unpredictable on such scale
<wpwrak>
the next obstacle will be when increased demands from now comparably wealthy people will hit a decrease in economical growth. the latter will inevitably happen when the "catching up" benefit ends. (or is already happening)
<DocScrutinizer05>
also china actually is a different detached universe, from common consciousness of chinese
<wpwrak>
so yes, they still have a bit of work lined up for them. but i'd say, all things considered, they could do a lot worse.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess they frowned at pharaohs
<DocScrutinizer05>
china considers rest of the world kinda like Rome thought about the north barbarian badlands
<wpwrak>
naw, that's the US :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
haha
<wpwrak>
i don't think the chinese really feel superior yet. eventually, they might.
<DocScrutinizer05>
hte definitely feel superior, based on their history
<DocScrutinizer05>
china is the center of the world, the cradle of mankind and civilization
<DocScrutinizer05>
they*
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess the current dynasty in china is older than the USA
<wpwrak>
well, that's not so hard :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
nd for odd reasons that's what seems to count in a strange way for chinese souls
<DocScrutinizer05>
china and india have a strange archaic sense of community
<DocScrutinizer05>
fate, honor, heroism etc is all that counts. Personal freedom is frowned upon
<DocScrutinizer05>
history, don't forget history. and tradition
<DocScrutinizer05>
to get a bit sarcastic, I could say: basically all the things that the average american has no idea what the words meaming might be
<wpwrak>
oh, they like "modern" values well enough. just that they also keep some of the old ones, too. there are some sarcastic remarks on how changes of values in western society made things like the snowden incident even possible.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
well, I can't even start to figure how the average chinese feels, sitting in his car in a traffic jam, thinking about the times 10 years back when there were only bicycles and no smog that makes you die from coughing
<DocScrutinizer05>
looking out the side window of his car directly at the seas of poison or a giant coal power plant, or some other industrial abomination
<wpwrak>
not sure things are all that visible. you have been to mainland china, haven't you ?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
nope
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm actually not sure I ever want to go there
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<DocScrutinizer05>
feels like "dancing cats of minamata", though that been Japan
<wpwrak>
of course, you have to be careful with US propaganda. i mean, they can turn iraq into a superpower (which they're then morally obliged to destroy), what are a few environmental issues ? but the smog does indeed seem to be nasty.
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>Though there is increasing anger over pollution, some of which has prompted protesters to block proposed factories, many Chinese have reacted by buying face masks rather than demanding change from the government.<<
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's about to the point about what I been speaking before
<whitequark>
/r/science is really on some kind of streak now
<whitequark>
"U.S. Schoolchildren Exposed to Arsenic in Well Water Have Lower IQ Scores"
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's obviously another mentality prevalent in china, that makes the word "unhappy" sound strangely non-applicable
<whitequark>
well no shit!
<DocScrutinizer05>
LOL
<DocScrutinizer05>
did they also test for LD50?
<whitequark>
hm?
<wpwrak>
so, my parcel shall reach me tomorrow. phew. a lot of work to get that little calculator ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
LD50 of arsenic to pupils
<DocScrutinizer05>
lil calculator?
<wpwrak>
well, the device i need for e-banking. the old one is dying. that is, most of it is still fine, just the display is losing rows and colums. makes it quite a puzzle to guess the correct code.
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: seems I can't really parse your >/r/science..." line
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: I don't know "/r/science" and I can't makes sense of "being on a streak"
<DocScrutinizer05>
pardin my poor english
<DocScrutinizer05>
pardon even
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: /r/science is reddit's scientific subcommunity
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: ooh, token generator. Optical input from PC screen?
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: :-) thanks!
<whitequark>
it's pretty sensible, considering its size. "a streak" in this case meant that I see articles with rather obvious conclusions all the time
<whitequark>
of course you need to conduct such research, but I'm really not sure what kind of discussion the poster wants to see
<whitequark>
arsenic denialers? "geee no, arsenic toxicity was invented by Big Pharma"
<whitequark>
hang on, I need to get that rumor on the 'net
<DocScrutinizer05>
to me that sounds like Mengele
<larsc>
whitequark: rather the other way around
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: they measured environmental arsenic. levels around 5ppb or so in rural areas
<whitequark>
apparently this was never done in US before
<whitequark>
well, not correlated with IQ
<DocScrutinizer05>
thought as much, but headline sounds kinda scary
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's why I asked if they ran another test for determining LD50
<whitequark>
ooooooh. I just reparsed it the way you did
<whitequark>
haha
<DocScrutinizer05>
"US military rund LSD tests on prisoners"
<DocScrutinizer05>
runs*
<whitequark>
on prisoners? I thought they ran it on their own employees
<DocScrutinizer05>
"500 solders exposed to radiation of atomic test explosion"
<DocScrutinizer05>
soldiers*
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually I seem to remember either military or CIA testing psychoactive gas in subway stations, on US citizens
<whitequark>
mkultra, iirc
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, sounds about correct
<whitequark>
" MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture."
<DocScrutinizer05>
"U.S. Schoolchildren Exposed to Arsenic in Well Water Have Lower IQ Scores" fits in perfectly
<whitequark>
definitely
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: (optical input) yes, using a homo sapiens sensor :)
<whitequark>
do token generators even require input? I've never seen one
<whitequark>
usually they have an RTC and generate tokens valid for e.g. +5 minutes
<wpwrak>
the good ones do
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: they usually do a TAN based on parameters of the transaction, plus challenge from server
<wpwrak>
mine is challenge-response. i unlock the "sim" card in the reader, enter the challenge presented by the bank, then type the answer to the bank's login form
<whitequark>
ahh yes, right, bank
<wpwrak>
some transactions also use it, yes. not as obsessively as some german banks, though :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems I got to do a few security updates, eh? SSL
<wpwrak>
oh, you haven't yet ? :)
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: you do realize I can point a script at your server right now and read arbitrary memory, likely containing unencrypted credentials?
<wpwrak>
phlargh. wd-40, helping men save face since 1953.
<roh>
wpwrak: were youre certificates stuck in the webserver?
<wpwrak>
naw, still the problem with the blinds. the tape to pull them up or down broke, so the whole thing came crashing down. today i bought stuff to cover everything on my desk, then took the critter apart. first problem: it got stuck when trying to raise the blinds. applied wd-80 everywhere. then it moved a bit more, though not all that much.
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<wpwrak>
then i found that the drum had jumped off the "passive" side (opposite of the belt roll). so i lowered everything and put it back. but then it still wouldn't move. problem was that i had put it back too far. (it's of course all rusty and dirty, so you can't see very well what you're doing)
<wpwrak>
when i finally had the thing at the right place, the belt attaching the blinds to the drum broke. they must have been waiting all those years just for this opportunity.
<wpwrak>
#s/belt/belts/ three of them, no less. talk about fail-safe design by redundancy
<wpwrak>
so i removed the remains of the old ones, installed new ones (luckily i had some belt material around from a previous similar mishap)
<wpwrak>
then up went the blinds. attaching them was a bit of a challenge, too. right now they're being held by a flimsy piece of wire. let's hope tonight's storm won't be too nasty ...
<wpwrak>
finally i tried to place the access panel, but that thing is a pain. it's long and solid enough to be heavy, yet think enough to flex a lot. a real treat. i decided that this could wait until tomorrow.
<wpwrak>
goals accomplished: can see the outside world again.
<wpwrak>
still to do: install new belt, close access panel, and for good measure, install lighter blinds for day to day use so that i won't have to move the heavy critter twice a day.
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