<wpwrak>
i hope that car was stolen :) imagine the surprise for the thief ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
(notice sun) I have a mental concept of my geometrical position on the globe
<DocScrutinizer05>
alas not really, the automatic "exploded" on the highway, after some gashaed at the pitstop managed to mix some water into the automatic oil
<wpwrak>
urgh
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed, much fun when suddenly your automatic oil completely abandons the gear
<wpwrak>
did they pay ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
nah
<DocScrutinizer05>
I couldn't prove their fault
<wpwrak>
suspected so :(
<DocScrutinizer05>
though it been obvious, it happened immediately after they had a motor cleaning done to that car
<wpwrak>
moral: just leave the motor dirty :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
what are those 100bar things caled?
<DocScrutinizer05>
you should be really really careful with them anyway
<DocScrutinizer05>
hochdruckdampfstrahlreiniger or somesuch
<DocScrutinizer05>
you probably can cut stuff with that
<DocScrutinizer05>
just needs another nozzle
<DocScrutinizer05>
and that huge round yellow thing for cleaning the floor can actually eat your stone floor
<wpwrak>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
for the Ford automatic no 160bar were needed, it had a pretty silly ventilation tube at top that only had a ridiculous "hat" on to avoid water simply dropping in
<DocScrutinizer05>
point a water jet at that from below, damage done
<DocScrutinizer05>
when the oil in automatic reaches 100°C...
<wpwrak>
smart design
<DocScrutinizer05>
yup
<wpwrak>
they should build airplanes. big ones, with lots of passengers
<DocScrutinizer05>
I thought they build moon rockets now ;-)
<wpwrak>
poor moon
<DocScrutinizer05>
I alluded a not exactly PC joke
<DocScrutinizer05>
warum sind die Tuerken noch nicht auf dem Mond gelandet? Weil Ford noch keine Mondraketen baut
<DocScrutinizer05>
prolly very local specific
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<DocScrutinizer05>
unless Ford is the fav car brand of the turkish worldwide
<wpwrak>
is the implied context that they prefer ford ? or that they steal them ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
this joke must be damn old. Meanwhile I think BMW is their fav car
<DocScrutinizer05>
in the 1970 Ford been *the* car for the average turkish family in Germany
<wpwrak>
heh :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
and Ford Transit for turkish business, whatever that is
<wpwrak>
how things change, in a few years it'll be "why are the germans not on the moon yet ? because new trabant don't make rockets"
<wpwrak>
(and all the "good" cars come from china)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think in the 90s with the "2nd generation" BMW became the car of choice
<wpwrak>
they're a decent enough choice
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, except that the BMW motor absolutely doesn't like high RPM when not warm yet, that's why all those turkish BMW always had a blue cloud of smoke behind them
<DocScrutinizer05>
bought it from a turkish friend ;-)
<wpwrak>
;-))
<DocScrutinizer05>
quite a nice car, except you couldn't drive slower than 20km/h. And eventually the rear shock absorber broke out ot the mounting point in trunk when I drove down a borderstone
<DocScrutinizer05>
prolly they replaced the shock absorber by a simple steel pipe
<DocScrutinizer05>
the thing had a ground clearance of ~3cm
<DocScrutinizer05>
had it ~5 months before it broke
<wpwrak>
you go through your cars quickly
<wpwrak>
and < 20 km/h shouldn't be a problem. the alfa 33 i had in .ch was a tricky beast for slow speeds. especially parking on a hill was messy. no torque at low revolutions. 1.7 l engine but some 130 PS
<wpwrak>
handled great, though. very sporty.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, this BMW had quote some HP but a sports gear or dunno what
<DocScrutinizer05>
1st gear was already capable of 70km/h or somesuch
<DocScrutinizer05>
and with no gaspedal at all the car ran faster than 20km/h in 1st gear
<DocScrutinizer05>
at some 900RPM
<DocScrutinizer05>
weird
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<DocScrutinizer05>
of course the clutch was quite tricky too
<DocScrutinizer05>
had a characteristic like a clickdisk switch in a keyboard
<DocScrutinizer05>
try to press a clickdisk switch halfway
<wpwrak>
20 km/h in idle is a little odd indeed :)
<Web-aptosid876_>
DocScrutinizer05: hows your stress level?
<DocScrutinizer05>
moderate
<DocScrutinizer05>
though, that might be missleading
<DocScrutinizer05>
objectively there's quite a number of stress factors pending to get dealt with
<DocScrutinizer05>
but I try to believe I can push that back a little and have them not influence my mood
<DocScrutinizer05>
also health issues tend to stress, I heard. And I'm just about to try and recover from those
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<whitequark>
have you heard that ARM has replaced its toolchain with LLVM?
<whitequark>
and somehow they contribute a ton without being held by the throat at lawyerpoint
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<DocScrutinizer05>
hehe, a 8 IPs scanned my box, of which 3 were crawl-66-249-64-\*.googlebot.com, 1 been internetsurvey-1.erratasec.com and 2 were researchscan010.eecs.umich.edu
<DocScrutinizer05>
Web-aptosid876_: in one shell (for example) your environment *feels* like you were on that OS/system you chrooted that shell to
<Web-aptosid876_>
as I feared. dam it chroot's no good
<Web-aptosid876_>
128mb ram!
<DocScrutinizer05>
chroot is great, just you got an XY problem
<sb0>
the result is quite different from those puny molten plastic gadgets
<Web-aptosid876_>
anyway I was hoping to run a fully free system :|
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<DocScrutinizer05>
~xy
<infobot>
i guess xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
<sb0>
you can actually print car engine parts on them, not just claim you will someday like the makerbot folks do
<Web-aptosid876_>
not a fully free system in a non-free system, defeats the point
<DocScrutinizer05>
~part
<DocScrutinizer05>
~part #qi-hardware
<infobot>
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<DocScrutinizer05>
Web-aptosid876_: maemo is way more 'free' than you seem to think
<DocScrutinizer05>
the kernel is completely free
<DocScrutinizer05>
much of the core system is free
<sb0>
(press ESC as soon as the stupid javascript animation starts in order to bypass the paywall)
<DocScrutinizer05>
some few libs are closed blobs
<Web-aptosid876_>
yes but, in hte n900 it's full of critical bits that are non-free
<Web-aptosid876_>
from audio to libs
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, N900 it's exactly same situation, just community laready RE'd many of those closed blobs, like charger
<Web-aptosid876_>
the wiki page hasn't been updated then
<DocScrutinizer05>
hildon-desktop is free
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can actually run a maemo on a different device, without using *any* closed blobs
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<Web-aptosid876_>
yes maemo on a differt device can be free
<infobot>
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<DocScrutinizer05>
iirc for diablo there's even a hacker edition that's supposed to be 100% free of closed blobs. I might have that wrong though
<Web-aptosid876_>
diablo? hmmm
<Web-aptosid876_>
but you see what I mean about the n900? not good. hench neo900 is the only hope :)
<Web-aptosid876_>
diablo game?
<Web-aptosid876_>
DocScrutinizer05: sorry see line above
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: hmm, why the part?
<DocScrutinizer05>
Web-aptosid876_: you're quite confused. a) N900 is not as closed as you think, and I don't see what you mean. b) Neo900 doesn't change anything about the whole thing, we only provide a new hardware, it's the job of community (see fptf link infobot pasted above) to port maemo to the Neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: infobot got bullied out
<Web-aptosid876_>
thats my point neo900 is new hardware with a better level of freedom :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
mainly because of chanlogs it does, which contain join lines with IP
<DocScrutinizer05>
how's there any better level of freedom?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't see how Neo900 is changing this
<Web-aptosid876_>
?
<DocScrutinizer05>
fptf is changing this
<Web-aptosid876_>
I'll look again at these wiki pages...
<Web-aptosid876_>
~fptf
<Web-aptosid876_>
I thought fptf was only for the neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
rad the thread, at least first post
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>- or more generally to new hw platforms - <<
<Web-aptosid876_>
so new hw platforms includes old platforms like the n900, dare I say n810 despite it's little ram and cpu hehe
<Web-aptosid876_>
?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry?
<DocScrutinizer05>
please take it to #maemo
<Web-aptosid876_>
I did waiting for a reply
<Web-aptosid876_>
oh ok
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<DocScrutinizer05>
most idiotic spam is that which has fuckedup dates like 2010-01-11 today
<DocScrutinizer05>
I always wonder if those idiots hope their spam will sit and hide there at end of list until it riped when finally it gets noticed
<DocScrutinizer05>
or probably it's a zombie job started 2009 and still running on some orphaned server, sending out same old spam with same old date since 5 years
<larsc>
it's running on a machine where the date is not set correctly
<DocScrutinizer05>
or that, yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks for the hint, I forgot about that possibility
<DocScrutinizer05>
correct time feels natural to me meanwhile
<DocScrutinizer05>
forgot there might still be a few boxen out there that don't run ntp
<DocScrutinizer05>
ntp, a nice target to check for vulnerabilities. Would have a better impact than ssl flaws
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, otoh it's harder to exploit, particularly since it's not using virtually arbitrary and fast changing broad set of peer addresses
<DocScrutinizer05>
and not opening any service except on servers
<wpwrak>
a NTP code injection exploit would be juicy :)
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: it uses udp though
<whitequark>
so if you make a real huge flood of udp replies, you have a chance of mounting an attack if the port is right
<whitequark>
DNS used to be vulnerable until it started using good unpredictable nonces in queries
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<DocScrutinizer05>
aaah, right, I seem to recall sth like that
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, a vulnerability the type of ssl heartbeat been would nicely propagate bottom up the stratum stack of ntp infra, and from top down spread across prolly 90% of computers worldwide
<wpwrak>
and we'd all have to return to telling time and date by feeling the warmth of the sun :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
a dual-binary aexploit covering redmond crap and linux would prolly already suffice
<wpwrak>
... as it burns down on our tails as we crawl through the mud
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<DocScrutinizer05>
1353, >so far. give us time< ;-P
<wpwrak>
;-)
<larsc>
there used to be people with synchronized watches that would walk around the city every morning to tell people the time so they could re-adjust their clocks
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<wpwrak>
when DocScrutinizer05 is done with the attack, there won't be any watches either. and certainly no synchronized ones ;)
<dos1>
there will be smartwatches synchronized via NTP :)
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<larsc>
I think what wpwrak was trying to imply is that there won't much of anything left once DocScrutinizer05 executed his attack
<dos1>
ok, badly worded: there won't be any watches, cause they will be attacked by ntp exploit as well ;)