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<whitequark>
man, I don't know who has designed SMS protocols (PDU)
<whitequark>
wolfspraul: (CADs) maybe Google is all evil and stuff, but SketchUp is amazing from the topic of UX
<wolfspraul>
UX = user experience?
<whitequark>
I've installed it within seconds and began to draw actual models within minutes
<whitequark>
unlike e.g. AutoCAD or other enterprisey tools
<wolfspraul>
what are you trying to do?
<whitequark>
a laser cut case for my latest project
<wolfspraul>
nice. which material are you cutting? care to share some more details?
<whitequark>
I've been quite impressed by M1's case and I will somewhat steal the idea of it
<wolfspraul>
perfect!
<whitequark>
hm, green 2mm acrylic, I think
<whitequark>
either on pololu or on a local Russian plant, whichever is cheaper
<wolfspraul>
roh is using qcad to edit the dxf files I believe, and then feeds those same dxf into the laser, afaik
<whitequark>
hm, I tried qcad and it gave me quite the same feeling as other ones. maybe I'm wrong
<whitequark>
at least it was much more than five minutes which took me to understand how to use its basic functions
<wolfspraul>
up to you. go with google, eventually they will drive you nuts as well. you have to decide how to best invest your time, and prioritize.
<wolfspraul>
that's a difficult decision to make
<whitequark>
iirc you like parametric CADs a lot, am I right?
<wpwrak>
maybe try fped for footprints once ?
<whitequark>
wpwrak: I won't do any pcbs for a while, but when I'll do, I definitely want to give kicad+fped a try
<wpwrak>
you can also (ab)use it for 2D drawings, but you have to be sold on the idea of parametric cad before that
<whitequark>
ah. maybe not the best idea. this is my very first CAD project ever
<whitequark>
sketchup somewhat looks like a toy, but it's entirely sufficient for this one
<wpwrak>
if you're comfortable with fped for footprints, you can try to take it into areas it's not made for. it won't excel. but it may still be less painful than the alternatives.
<whitequark>
never actually used it, just heard about
<wpwrak>
i've heard very good things about sketchup
<wpwrak>
so far, i do my 2D/3D CAD in a mix of heekscad scripts, python/perl scripts, fped :)
<wpwrak>
for 2D, i now almost always use fped. it's not great for general CAD but at least it's parametric
<whitequark>
yeah, sketchup is really good from a novice's point of view. absolutely intuitive
<whitequark>
I just looked at its functions for a few minutes, tried a few and I already understand which ones do I need to use (and how I'd use them) to make my model
<viric>
where would you buy a mobile phone battery?
<viric>
wpwrak: hehe
<wpwrak>
i recently got one for my obscure little samsung x830 from BatteryUpgrade.com
<wpwrak>
shipping is a bit slow but you can't beat the price ;-)
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<viric>
ok
<viric>
18€
<viric>
I thought it would be cheaper :)
<wpwrak>
the shipping ? or the battery ?
<viric>
battery
<wpwrak>
ah :)
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<wpwrak>
yeah. maybe you can find it cheaper elsewhere. the replacement batteries also aren't always a perfect fit. e.g., the one for my samsung is a little thicker than the original. but they're good enough
<viric>
ah
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<DocScrutinizer>
sometimes they aren't
<DocScrutinizer>
by any metrics of "good enough"
<DocScrutinizer>
e.g when a 1800mAh battery turns out to have 650mAh
<DocScrutinizer>
label printers are forbearing
<DocScrutinizer>
so probably a decent noname 'compatible' one is usually the better buy to those "*original* (faked) genuine $BRAND" for a quarter of the price you'd expect
<DocScrutinizer>
wait, there's been a nice investigation&report, though on one specific Nokia BL-5J type