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<shevy> I hate coding
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<benzrf> same
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<shevy> I am still rewriting that project :(
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<eam> shevy: maybe you should try a more enjoyable language
<shevy> eam nah, it would be worse I reckon in most other languages
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<eam> dunno, I like coding in some languages much more than others
<shevy> perhaps the functional languages would have some completely different way to go about creating software that works, and ideally without bugs
<shevy> well, which language did you have in mind?
<eam> I think you know
<shevy> java?
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<eam> sure
<shevy> come on
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<eam> not even believable is it
<eam> like telling someone who's lost their taste for food to eat oatmeal
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> I think I only really have problems once things get complex and deeply interconnected
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<pontiki> like life?
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<shevy> nah
<shevy> life is significantly more complicated
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<Fun> who here plays with unicorn and nginx?
<Fun> :D
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<pontiki> i don't play with them, i just use them.
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<epitron> shevy: sounds like you're approaching burnout :D
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<shevy> epitron yeah but only just a few parts... like ending up having to rewrite stuff
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<shevy> the "start from zero phase" is more fun
<epitron> so you're tired of being a programming janitor?
<epitron> cleaning up other people's messes?
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<shevy> epitron it's my own mess actually
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<epitron> ahh
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<epitron> my condolences
<epitron> :D
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<SixshooterLady> greetings
<SixshooterLady> greetings, earthlings
<benzrf> gr8ings
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<SixshooterLady> hi inor
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<SixshooterLady> how are you tonight, ben?
<SixshooterLady> hi tx
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<SixshooterLady> hi male
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<jalcine> someone's looking for a friend
<SixshooterLady> who is?
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<SixshooterLady> hi sine
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<shevy> lol
<sevenseacat> \o/
<jalcine> /o\
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<pontiki> \o/ |o| /o_ /o\
<jgrevich> I’m trying to debug why a gem won’t compile, what is this line doing: `pkg_config('xmlsec1-openssl’)`?
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<jalcine> jgrevich: that's super out-of-context
<jalcine> do you have a log you can paste?
<pontiki> type it at the command line and see what you get
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<pontiki> the backticks mean 'run this command and return the status code'
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<jgrevich> jalcine: sorry. I’m trying to install nokogiri-xmlsec on RHEL. It works fine on Ubuntu. When installing the gem on RHEL it fails stating that, “xmlsec1 is not installed. (RuntimeError)”
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<ericwood> is xmlsec1 installed?
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<jgrevich> Looking closer, it a line in the `ext/nokogiri_ext_xmlsec/extconf.rb` that is failing, specifically `if pkg_config('xmlsec1-openssl’)`, hence why I’m wondering that that line is trying to do
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<jalcine> being that you're building on RHEL and libxml's annoying, I recommend looking at: http://www.nokogiri.org/tutorials/installing_nokogiri.html
<jgrevich> of course, the deps, libxmlsec1/libxmlsec1-dev are installed
<jgrevich> nokogiri installs fine
<jalcine> jgrevich: it's looking for the exposed deps of that package to compile + link against
<jalcine> so it's a dependent gem?
<jgrevich> this is nokogiri-xmlsec, and the compilication of a C extension that’s failing
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<jgrevich> jalcine: the gem I’m trying to install is nokogiri-xmlsec.
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<havenwood> jgrevich: yum install xmlsec1-openssl
<pontiki> i don't know, but does it depend on openssl dev stuff?
<jgrevich> The specific branch is this: https://github.com/omb-awong/xmlsec/tree/dev
<jalcine> yay something I can read :)
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<jgrevich> Works fine on OSX/Ubuntu
<jgrevich> so I assume it’s a subtle diff in package names/lib locations or soemething like that
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<jalcine> definitely that
<jgrevich> and `if pkg_config('xmlsec1-openssl’)` should be returning something truthy
<jalcine> actually
<jalcine> does such a package (libxmlsec1-openssl) exist in RHEL?
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<havenwood> pkg-config 'xmlsec1-openssl' && echo "yay..." || echo "oh dear..."
<havenwood> jalcine: yup
<jalcine> I see it in my listings here on Ubuntu
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<jalcine> jgrevich: do you have that installed?
<jgrevich> hayenwood: yes it exists and yes I know how to check that
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<jalcine> sorry if the questions sound redundant, jgrevich
<jgrevich> xmlsec1-openssl.x86_64 and xmlsec1-openssl-devel.x86_64 is installed
<havenwood> jgrevich: so a centos bug, fun
<havenwood> jgrevich: gotta love building nokogiri..
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<jgrevich> Usually we use Ubuntu but this is for a group that requires RHEL
<jgrevich> such a joy :)
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<havenwood> a good raison d'etre for oga: https://github.com/YorickPeterse/oga#readme
<jalcine> what does `pkg-config --list-all | grep xml` show?
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<jalcine> it'd be interesting if the package is installed, but pkg-config couldn't find it
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<jalcine> agh
<jgrevich> Just to throw this out there, I am using Centos packages on RHEL at this time (waiting for a proper subscription). Everything else has been error free
* jalcine blows up computers all over the world
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<havenwood> jgrevich: i wonder if related?: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=752508
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<tmoore> jgrevich: have you gisted the actual error you see?
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<havenwood> jgrevich: dunno :O
<jgrevich> haveonwood: good call, unfortunatley not, `lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 28 Oct 7 21:12 libxmlsec1-openssl.so.1 -> libxmlsec1-openssl.so.1.2.19`
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<jgrevich> What should pkg_config('xmlsec1-openssl’) if this were working correcly?
<jgrevich> I’m wondering if I can hack/patch around that
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<jgrevich> tmoore: danke!
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<jgrevich> The CLI pkg-config works fine so I’ll just use that to generate the expected tuple
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<jgrevich> Why is ruby core dev still done via svn? It seems like they’d get more participation and visibility if on github?
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<tmoore> jgrevich: no idea, but there's a mirror on github if that helps you
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<havenwood> git help svn
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<tmoore> looks like people are accepting pull requests there too
<jgrevich> tmoore: wow, that’s great, thanks
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<Daemonik> Hi #ruby Could you have a look at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f100LYAZ and advise?
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<gr33n7007h> Would these options be ok for using with OptionParser `options = Struct.new("OPTS", :param1, :param2, :param3).new` instead of using a hash?
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<havenwood> Daemonik: There was no RUBY_ENGINE constant in 1.8 and you're using an old version of binding_of_caller where the constant is checked without being prefixed with a: defined?(RUBY_ENGINE) &&
<havenwood> Daemonik: It wouldn't be a problem with any supported Ruby, 1.9.3+.
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<havenwood> Daemonik: Looking at the code of binding_of_caller 0.6.8 there's the issue and fixed in 0.6.9.
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<havenwood> 0.7.2 is current stable
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<Hanmac> gr33n7007h: hm i prefer to use OpenStruct with OptionParser
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<havenwood> Daemonik: Preferably switch to both a modern Ruby and recent binding_of_caller. :)
<gr33n7007h> OpenStruct? is that part of core ruby?
<havenwood> gr33n7007h: require 'ostruct'
<Hanmac> gr33n7007h: part of stdlib
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<gr33n7007h> What's the main advantages of using OpenStruct ?
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<gr33n7007h> damn, now my pry not working after using rvm :(
<cajone> guys I have an array where each element consists of a random bunch of number followed by a hash and then 3 letter ie 45839429#ndf, the number part of the string is variable in length. how would I go about sorting using the #ndf part of the string where ndf could be any 3 alpha chars?
<gr33n7007h> nvm, reinstalled it pry working now :)
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<Hanmac> gr33n7007h: for Openstruct you dont need to make a class like that, but just can freely access and set options
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<gr33n7007h> Hanmac, Thanks, I see what you mean now
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<havenwood> cajone: sort_by { |s| s.split('#').last }
<gr33n7007h> Is this the most up to date ruby 2.1.3p242
<havenwood> gr33n7007h: latest stable, yup
<gr33n7007h> havenwood, thanks
<havenwood> gr33n7007h: omit patch versions from name these days
<cajone> havenwood: :) thank you !
<havenwood> cajone: np
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<gr33n7007h> when is 1.9.3 eol?
<havenwood> feb
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<gr33n7007h> So, I might as well delete it from my system and use 2.1.3
<Hanmac> cajone: another shorter way: sort_by { |s| s[/#\w+/] }
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<towski> is there a way to clone the entire ruby runtime?
<havenwood> sort_by { |s| s[-3, 3] }
<towski> in c
<towski> actually that doesn't make sense due to all the pointers
<eam> towski: sure there is, it's fork()
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<towski> yeah I should mess with fork
<Hanmac> ruby has a fork method, a knife gem, hm only missing is a spoon lib ;P
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<eam> Hanmac: spoon exists
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<Hanmac> ha i knew it!
<eam> it's a posix_spawn() wrapper
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<havenwood> and spork
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<havenwood> and napkin, plate, glass and bib
<eam> tablecloth
<havenwood> table and chair of course
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<pontiki> placemat
<havenwood> armchair, deckchair, lawnchair
<eam> cushion
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<towski> wait rb_fork is deprecated
<towski> I'm using embedded ruby
<towski> maybe I want rb_spawn
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<eam> towski: what are you trying to accomplish?
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<towski> if I call a function in ruby, I want to clone the runtime and execute from that point in a separate fork
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<towski> instrumented in c
<towski> basically like forking, but ideally without a new process
<towski> which might sound dumb
<eam> can you explain a bit more about your ultimate goal here?
<jle`> nah
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<Daemonik> havenwood, To be honest I wouldn't know where to start, I'm just following https://github.com/kandanapp/kandan/blob/master/DEPLOY.md#standalone-server on ubuntu 12.04
<eam> are you dealing with pure ruby? or are files and other things involved?
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<towski> well c is involved with libruby
<towski> so I'm calling rb_eval_string
<towski> but I want to call something in ruby, like a custom function I add
<towski> and when you call that, it forks basically
<havenwood> Daemonik: sudo update-alternatives --config ruby
<towski> I could do it in ruby, but I want to manage the processes in c
<towski> c/go
<havenwood> Daemonik: seems you have Ruby 1.8 and 1.9 installed.
<havenwood> Daemonik: sudo update-alternatives --config gem
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<Daemonik> havenwood, just did http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sS3uKqmB will try again
<Daemonik> just updated gem tooo
<havenwood> Daemonik: give instructions another try now
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<Hanmac> Daemonik: "why?" 12.04 ? why not a newer ubuntu?
<last_staff> Hanmac: was that really necessary?
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<towski> I guess I basically want to clone the runtime into a different thread
<last_staff> no wait. 12.04 also has gnome3, right?
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<last_staff> which distro was the last one with gnome2?
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<Daemonik> havenwood, Hanmac Yeah that's a good question I'm gonna try this on Ubuntu 14.04 too.
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<Hanmac> last_staff: whats the problem with gnome3 ? the oly thing i dont like is unity, but there are some windowmanager like MATE or cinnamon with does have a better feeling even if they use gnome3 libs
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<towski> maybe I just need rb_thread_create
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<towski> or maybe rb_thread_atfork
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<last_staff> Hanmac: well for one thing, as soon as there's not enough hardware acceleration in place, the whole thing is stickier than syrup. Secondly, there's WAY too much traffic going online without the user being able to know what it is. Third, it's become bloaty, i.e., too many unnecessary and heavy-duty programs pre-installed, that ism it's trying to think for the users instead of making the users choose for themselves what to install apart from
<last_staff> the basics
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<last_staff> for instance: albeit useful, not too many were happy about open office being integrated (pre-installed) on ubuntu from i-cant-remember-which-version
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<Daemonik> havenwood, What should I do here? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3HjmcxEC
<Hanmac> isnt thats hy ubuntu comes on a DVD and not discs? ;P
<Hanmac> i mean disks ;p
<Hanmac> like in floppy disks ;P
<Hanmac> and there is also Lubuntu for slower pcs
<havenwood> Daemonik: sudo apt-get install nodejs
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<Daemonik> havenwood, I notice config/database.yml is not uncommon in Ruby apps. Is this a Ruby-ish thing? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G6MH1dg5
<sevenseacat> you mean rails apps i presume
<Hanmac> yml means YAML files ... they are not ruby only, C++ apps could use them too
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<Daemonik> "database configuration does not specify adapter", but, I have an adapter specified..
<Hanmac> Daemonik: hm imo it does look if you try to setup a rails app ... maybe the #rubyonrails channel is more helpful
<havenwood> Daemonik: A Rails convention indeed: http://edgeguides.rubyonrails.org/configuring.html#configuring-a-database
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<mrcloud> hello. How can I store and call a method in a hash?
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<Hanmac> mrcloud: with method(name) ?
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<mrcloud> Hanmac: I was thinking in store a hash with an identifier (string) and the method. Is it possible?
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<Hanmac> yes why not, but what do you want to archive? hmaybe some idea how it should look like?
<Hanmac> do you want real methods that are defined with "def" or do you want anonymous procs?
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<mrcloud> Hanmac: I have a json with figures and an attribute type that says the type of figure. I want to read this attribute and call the method related with this type
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<Hanmac> mrcloud: there is the storing and calling of method objects with a hash, hm but it might not be what you want
<Hanmac> >>def red_function; p "red"; end; h = {}; h[:red] = method(:red_function); h[:red].call
<eval-in_> Hanmac => "red" ... (https://eval.in/203021)
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<mrcloud> Hanmac: and if the method have arguments? call(args)
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<Hanmac> yes
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<mrcloud> Hanmac: yeah, that works. I was doing it without method. That was the problem. Thanks
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<mrcloud> let me ask another question. If I create an object, is there a compact way to set values to its attributes or do I have to store it in a variable and assign each value one per line? I'm asking about attributes not in the initialize method
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<Radar> mrcloud: wat
<Radar> mrcloud: show us what code you think would solve the problem
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<gregf_> >>class MyClass; def initialiase ;end; def a; return @a;end; def a=(a); @a = a;end;end; c = MyClass.new(); c.a = 10;p c;
<eval-in_> gregf_ => #<MyClass:0x40ebcb44 @a=10> ... (https://eval.in/203053)
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<gregf_> mrcloud: ^^ (if thats what you mean i.e calling setters on an instance variable)
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<mrcloud> gregf_: no, I was talking about a compact way to assign multiple attributes on an object at the same time
<Hanmac> mrcloud: like that? hash.each {|k,v| o.send("#{k}=",v) }
<gregf_> ah - ok
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<mrcloud> Hanmac: Radar yeah, something like that
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<apeiros_> Hanmac, mrcloud: use public_send instead of send
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<mrcloud> apeiros_: what is the difference?
<Hanmac> hm it also might be better if your MyObject class gets a update method so in the out looking code it would look more clean
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<apeiros_> mrcloud: public_send will raise if you try to call a private or protected method
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<mrcloud> apeiros_: oh, ok. Thanks
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<Hanmac> send is more like a crowbar .. it does open the object if it wants or not ;P
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<Hanmac> apeiros_: http://sphincs.cr.yp.to/ read the special node there ;P
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<aces1up9939> anyone know the ror channel? #ror is invite only?
<DefV> #rubyonrails
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<apeiros_> Hanmac: haha
<apeiros_> aces1up9939: you have to be registered with nickserv
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<apeiros_> DefV: #ror, #rails and #rubyonrails are the same (or rather, the former two redirect to the latter)
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<DefV> ah
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<Hanmac> shevy & apeiros: hm i need your opinion, for my gemtree script i did make a new addion that can draw clusters around related gems, hm what do you think about that? http://i.imgur.com/CGCdZSO.png
<apeiros> looks nice
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<Hanmac> currently it does look after gems named like "(base)-*" and then does look if a gem named "base" exist ... then it does have addional groups like it can group "activerecord", "activemodel" and "activesupport" if you say you have a cluster named "active"
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<shevy> Hanmac it now has colours!
<shevy> if it would only have documentation ...
<shevy> :>
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<Hanmac> hush, the options are more or less dokumented if you do --help
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<mrcloud> how can I check if an url is valid? I'm using if uri =~ URI::regexp and this works for common urls (ie http://google.com) but I want to accept also local paths
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<arup_r> How can I know the location of the included file? Example - class Klass; include Mod ; end
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<arup_r> I want to get where the Mod module is defined ?
<apeiros> arup_r: you realize that there can be more than one place?
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<apeiros> oh, wait, forgot to whom I'm talking. nvm.
<arup_r> hehehe
<arup_r> Why so?
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<arup_r> Is there any global variable or something like that where Ruby keeps the source file paths, for all files which has been loaded using require_relative ?
<arup_r> per file basis..
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<mrcloud> is there a way, when using slop to force an argument to be a value in a defined enumeration?
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<DarkFoxDK> Hi, we're having some issues installing the json gem on a Debian machine, it's failing with this error: https://gist.github.com/DarkFox/2947d44edcfb1d7233d1
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<Hanmac> DarkFoxDK: how did you try to install it with whatcommand?
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<DarkFoxDK> Hanmac: via bundle install in, in this case. But the same thing happens with just a regular gem install.
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<DarkFoxDK> Seems the issue was caused by RVM.
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<codenoob> Hey guys I have a controller named demo and I am trying to use link_to in view to create a link but it is mapping to just demo not demo/hello, my view code is <%= link_to('Hello', {:action => 'hello'}) %>
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<codenoob> please note: I am following a tutorial that is using 4.0.0 and I am using 4.1.6
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<sevenseacat> step 1 - use the right version of rails for the tutorial
<sevenseacat> step 2 - #rubyonrails
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<codenoob> how to open another irc in new tab inside freenode ?
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<sevenseacat> i dont know what client you're using, so
<codenoob> I am on browser irc.lc/freenode/ruby now
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<codenoob> I am trying to join #rubyonrails but it says you need to be identified as service instead of that I am already registered
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<codenoob> what is the issue here ?
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<codenoob> I have a rails problem that I need to ask
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<codenoob> anyone ?
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<maasha> Hiyas, I want to test rocksdb-ruby, and I am installing rocksdb. However that is pretty awful since there is no install script so after running 'make static_lib' I do what to let 'gem install rocksdb-ruby' know where the include lib is?
<maasha> codenoob: #rails
<maasha> or #ror
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<codenoob> its redirects me to ##namespace :/
<maasha> codenoob: me bad
<codenoob> #ror says invite only
<maasha> codenoob: and I think the registered bla bla message can be ignored.
<maasha> really?
<codenoob> yes
<maasha> did you register with nickserv?
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<codenoob> yes
<codenoob> can you guys help me with a rails code BTW ?
<sevenseacat> see step 1
<maasha> not me
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<codenoob> is the method link_to deprecated in rails 4.1.6 ?
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<sevenseacat> no.
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<codenoob> @sevenseacat but when I am trying to redirect to an action it just show me the controller name in href not the actual action name followed by it ? any idea why ?
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<codenoob> sevenseacat: I am not able to connect to rails irc that is why I am asking here ?
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<maasha> checking for main() in -lrocksdb... no can't find header or library of rocksdb
<mostlybadfly> codenoob: it is #rubyonrails
<codenoob> mostlybadfly: It is redirecting to ##namespace
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<mostlybadfly> codenoob: that is weird. I just left and entered again
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<codenoob> let me restart my irc
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<mostlybadfly> Why are rails and for invite only? Seems exclusive lol
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<kevkev_> Hi, does anybody know of a Ruby gem that does what moment.js does? (ISO-date -> relative date, ex "2 minutes ago" http://momentjs.com/ Seems to be the reverse of what the Chronic gem does
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<sevenseacat> its not invite-only, its open to all registered users.
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<mostlybadfly> I'm registered
<mostlybadfly> When I go to either I specifically get "invite only" as a response
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<mostlybadfly> Do you mean you need to register with those channels?
<sevenseacat> no.
<mostlybadfly> #rubyonrails works
<workmad3> mostlybadfly: 'invite-only' is how freenode handles channel redirects
<workmad3> mostlybadfly: so #rails and #ror redirect to #rubyonrails by being 'invite-only' and bumping you over to #rubyonrails if you aren't 'invited'
<mostlybadfly> Ah I see. I'm already in it so must be why i get stopped there
<mostlybadfly> Makes sense
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<workmad3> mostlybadfly: yeah, you won't join #rubyonrails again :)
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<mostlybadfly> I hope not. Was just curious what was going on in the others but now I know that is nothing hehe
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<workmad3> mostlybadfly: #rails only became a redirect a few months ago when complaints were made to freenode admin about it being a channel filled with people who intended to go to #rubyonrails but didn't realise that was the chan name :)
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<maasha> is there a rubyist favored key-value nosql database?
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<workmad3> maasha: I like postgresql ;)
<sevenseacat> so do i!
<maasha> workmad3: "nosql" ?
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<workmad3> maasha: postgresql hstore, json, array fields...
<workmad3> maasha: hell, 9.4 seems to be outperforming mongo for jsonb :P
<maasha> I was looking at rocksdb
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<maasha> looks powerful, but installing it and the gem is tricky :o/
* workmad3 shrugs and goes back to huggling postgresql
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<rubynuby> hello :)
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<rubynuby> having a problem : foo = "textkdjdöl-d002834" a = foo.scan(/(?<=-).*/) puts a gives me d002834, but puts a.size gives me 1 - why?
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<waxjar> because String#scan returns an Array
<sevenseacat> ^
<waxjar> (puts prints every element of an Array on a single line, since there's only one element you can't tell if it's a String or an Array you're printing)
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<waxjar> use p for print-debugging :)
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<rubynuby> l
<rubynuby> thanks waxjar
<rubynuby> is there a way to convert the array to a normal "string like array" where .size is working?
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<rubynuby> great, a[0].size is working :)
<sevenseacat> "string like array"? :/
<rubynuby> thanks a lot waxjar, helped a lot
<waxjar> you'd be better off using a method better suited for your purpose
<waxjar> such as String#[]
<rubynuby> cu
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<waxjar> ok
* sevenseacat shrugs
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<Cope> I'd like to search a deeply nested hash for a value, and return its key - taht sounds like something that might be in the standard library... is it?
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<Hanmac> Cope nope
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<Cope> I was thinking something like Enumerable#select
* Cope checks it out
<workmad3> Cope: what would the 'key' be in that situation?
<workmad3> Cope: also select is used to filter enumerables... so that would give you back a filtered hash, not a key
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<Cope> i'd like to search for the value where gid => 6 and be told it belongs to disk
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<zlude> What is def initialize in some examples? it's required?
<Cope> select { |key, hash| hash['gid'] == 6}.keys
<Cope> works fine
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<Hanmac> zlude: treat it as simialar or a constructor in C++ or php
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<workmad3> zlude: it's not required... the initialize method is the constructor
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<zlude> Hanmac, workmad3 thank you!
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<zlude> Hanmac, workmad3, as I'm a beginner, look my first code using initialize. https://gist.github.com/barrosfilipe/8d02734adb9d6a88ff5a
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<olivier_bK> i try to parse a file with multiple hash inside but at each end of the hash i have --- i dont know why he stop at the first hash ?
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<zlude> I'm learning ruby, and write a first code using inheritance. Someone can tell me if it's a good code written or can be improved? https://gist.github.com/barrosfilipe/862dcfe95d02163817c3 Thank you!
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<dcope> hey all, im having a hard time finding docs about net::http. i want to see what object is returned by #request, but my ruby docs dont seem to be showing it.
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<dcope> what website do you all use for docs?
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<waxjar> zlude: look great. but you don't need the attr_accessors in Hello, because Person already has them :)
<waxjar> *looks
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<dcope> sevenseacat: thanks. i'm using the "Dash" app which has ruby-doc built in but i was having trouble finding this. i'll just go to ruby-doc.org from now on.
<tobiasvl> zlude: looks very good to be your first code! using to_s to output a string like that looks a bit iffy though. to_s should usually return a textual representation of the object itself (whatever that may be)
<waxjar> zlude: nor the def initialize part, if you're not doing any new work :)
<waxjar> it's already there
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<Phrogz> zlude: Also, if you call super with no parenthesis or arguments, it automatically passes all values on up the chain.
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<Phrogz> So, you could rewrite Hello using def initialize( firstname, lastname ); super; end
<Phrogz> zlude: However, if that is all your initializer does, you might as well not include it at all; it will automatically use the initializer from the parent method.
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<zlude> Thank you for all haha! But keep calm, i'm a little bit confused, haha! as i said, i'm learning yet.
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<zlude> Phrogz, can you explain it better? i'm a little bit confused
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<zlude> Phrogz, i really need two initialize's at this code?
<zlude> waxjar, initialize when not doing any new work? i'm doing something wrong so?
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<Phrogz> zlude: Let me write you a quick sample.
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<havenwood> >> String.new(String("").to_s)
<eval-in_> havenwood => "" (https://eval.in/203195)
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<Phrogz> zlude: Note that Child does not have an #initialize method, so it uses the one from Parent
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<Phrogz> zlude: Reload that URL and look at the second file I've added, showing a case when you might want to override the #initialize in the sub-class, but still use super.
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<zlude> Phrogz, Thank you a lot! I will understand that :) thanks!
<Phrogz> You are welcome.
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<zlude> Phrogz, why do you change attr_accessor by attr_reader?
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<Phrogz> zlude: No strong reason, except that people generally don't change their names, so perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to change someone's name after you make them. (At least, not from the outside.)
<ChrisBolton> I’m trying to extract just the first layer of this hash without nested hashes, anyone have any ideas? (https://gist.github.com/cbolton-sge/0dbf58530a7db3ee531b)
<Phrogz> In this case my code doesn't even need any accessor methods, since I only used the instance variables directly.
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<Phrogz> chrisbolton: What should the result include for 'rule_trigger'? Nothing? A flattened version?
<zlude> Phrogz, oh, thanks!
<ChrisBolton> {application_id: 1, name: “Whatever it is in the hash”}
<olivier_bK> i try to read file but all the time he stop at ---
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<Phrogz> chrisbolton: flat = Hash[ myhash.reject{ |k,v| v.is_a?(Hash) || v.is_a?(Array) } ] #=> {"application_id"=>1, "name"=>"One action and one aggregate"}
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<ChrisBolton> Phrogz: I see what you did there. Nice. Thanks.
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<Phrogz> You're welcome.
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<Phrogz> Glaah. A library provides a broken SomeClass.foo method. I want to monkeypatch it to fix it, but the implementation is via method_missing. Any thoughts on how to intercept this message while still using method_missing?
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<Phrogz> Oh...I suppose I could just def foo(*a,&b); method_missing(*a,&b).fixitup; end
<Phrogz> Nevermind. Carry on.
<sevenseacat> if you define it, it wont need the method_missing version?
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<Phrogz> sevenseacat: I still need it to do all the magic it did before; I just need to fix the fucked up encoding on the string it returns.
<Phrogz> Pro-tip: Qt::Application.translate("MainWin", "Open\342\200\246", nil, Qt::Application::UnicodeUTF8).encoding #=> ASCII8BIT. Fuck you, QtRuby.
<sevenseacat> ah okay
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<Phrogz> Damnit, that didn't work. in `method_missing': NULL pointer given (ArgumentError)
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<Phrogz> Oops, my mistake. Needs to be def self.translate(*a,&b); method_missing(:translate,*a,&b).force_encoding('utf-8'); end I forgot to pass along the name of the method.
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<epitron> why is Unicode not the default still? :/
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<epitron> BTW, how do you like qt for ruby?
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<epitron> I gotta make some GUI stuff... CLI tools can't always cut it
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<Phrogz> epitron: Qt is pretty darn good. The Qt Designer app is quite comprehensive. Qt for Ruby works, and has some ruby-isms applied (in some cases not desirably) but there is no QtRuby documentation. There are a good number of QtRuby examples, but the people who wrote QtRuby and those examples didn't really feel Ruby, I think.
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<Phrogz> And, Qt is a huge beast. You have to learn a lot (I'm still learning) to get things done. Lots of classes and concepts to learn. It's like learning a whole new languge.
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<Phrogz> epitron: IMHO it's pretty much the only real game in town for a professional cross-platform GUI app. (Shoes, which I tried first for one app, is simply a toy.)
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<Phrogz> Lemme give you a f'rinstance. To use the QTreeView (instead of QTreeWidget) you need to provide a 'model' that implements some key methods for the tree view to ask about what to show in various columns, find children, etc.
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<Phrogz> Here's my code for the model of a simple 2-column tree view: https://github.com/Phrogz/RUIC/blob/master/gui/appelementsmodel.rb
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<epitron> interesting
<epitron> it's sad that it's both undocumented and unruby
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<Phrogz> Look at #headerData - that's just to say 'The columns names are "Name" and "Type"'
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<epitron> I guess it's just autogenerated bindings like everything else
<Phrogz> epitron: Aye. The undocumented isn't so bad because almost everything is a direct connection to the underlying C++ classes and methods, so if you find some C++ code you can figure out the equivalent Ruby code.
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<Phrogz> And look at all the INVALIDDATA and INVALIDINDEX I have to use, which are instances of classes without valid arguments, used as sigils to say "there's nothing here".
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<epitron> I've tried to use auto generated bindings like that before... sometimes I think it would be easier to learn it in c++ first
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<Phrogz> Probably. But then again, it's still sooo big. I've decided that instead of trying to learn Qt first, I'm going to make my app work and learn the bits I need along the way. It's just too big to get in my head all at once.
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<epitron> have you tried gtk for ruby?
<Altonymous> How do I capitalize the first letter of every word in a string of words seperated by a space.. without it changing the case of any other letters in the string. When I use capitalize it lowercases anything that isn’t the first letter of the word...
<Phrogz> I have not. I think shevy is going that track.
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<Phrogz> Altonymous: Are you using Ruby on Rails or ActiveSupport?
<Altonymous> ActiveSupport
<Altonymous> not rails
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<Altonymous> that won’t work
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<Altonymous> because it will split words that have an uppercase value in the middle
<epitron> Altonymous: use a regex... gsub(/\b\w/) {|c| c.upcase}
<Altonymous> so `TestCategory` becomes `Test Category`
<Phrogz> >> "raiders of the lost ark".gsub(/\b\w/){ |c| c.upcase }
<eval-in_> Phrogz => "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203202)
<Phrogz> Damnit, epitron beat me to it :)
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<epitron> and I had to type it on a phone keyboard :)
<shevy> yeah I am using ruby-gnome
<shevy> because it has the better documentation :>
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<shevy> my problem with the GUI bindings in general ... actually there are 3 points
<epitron> shevy: is it more ruby like?
<shevy> (1) They are often nothing but the direct C API
<shevy> nope epitron
<epitron> hah
<Phrogz> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".gsub(/\b\w/){ |c| c.upcase }.gsub(/\b#{Regexp.union(lower)}\b/i){ |w| w.downcase }
<eval-in_> Phrogz => "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203203)
<shevy> (2) Compared to HTML/CSS/Javascript, it often feels inferior to use GUI stuff
<Phrogz> fack
<shevy> hmm I forgot the third point ... let me think ...
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<shevy> or perhaps (3) was interconnected with (2) and (1); it just feels as if when I have to go the default route in a GUI binding, it is so cumbersome to tediously specify all individual widgets
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<shevy> in html, you have <div></div> and then you can style that "widget" any way you see fit
<shevy> you can also autogenerate all those tags
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<shevy> div(css: 'padding:0.25em') { 'Hello world!'}
<epitron> Altonymous: here's a nice one: https://github.com/epitron/scripts/blob/master/ren#L34
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<shevy> here 3 lines of ruby-gnome:
<shevy> button = Gtk::Button.new('switch (will use .reparent)')
<shevy> button.signal_connect(:clicked) { label.reparent(box4) }
<shevy> box4.pack_start(button, false, true, 0)
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<Phrogz> shevy: Amen to #2. Though Qt does have CSS that is pretty darn reasonable. I just last night did: #inspector{ border-top:none; margin-right:2px } to fix up some appearance.
<shevy> not a lot of fun
<shevy> yeah CSS helped; you should have been there when gtk only had rcfiles
<shevy> margin-right now that is sweet
<shevy> GTK uses an alignment widget instead
<shevy> @alignment = Gtk::Alignment.new(0.5, 0.5, 0.0, 0.0)
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<shevy> I can never for the sake of my life remember what those 4 params are
<shevy> is it bottom left? top left?
<epitron> Altonymous: if you want to use that function, you'll have to remove the .downcase call
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<epitron> and add /i after the regexes
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<havenwood> >> "raiders of the lost ark".gsub /\b\w/, &:upcase
<eval-in_> havenwood => "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203209)
<Phrogz> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".gsub(/\b\w/){ |c| c.upcase }.gsub(/\b(?:#{lower.join("|")})\b/i){ |w| w.downcase }
<eval-in_> Phrogz => "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203210)
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<havenwood> and a little suga!
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<Phrogz> Nice, haven :)
<epitron> havenwood: hax0r
<Phrogz> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".gsub(/\b\w/, &:upcase).gsub(/\b(?:#{lower.join("|")})\b/i, &:downcase )
<eval-in_> Phrogz => "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203211)
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<Altonymous> epitron why use that method over the gsub?
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<epitron> Altonymous: that method is the gsub with extra
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<epitron> read it :)
<Altonymous> oh i don’t need that
<Altonymous> okay thanks
<epitron> I've evolved it for my interactive rename script
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<epitron> shevy: interesting, re: ruby gnome
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<czaks> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".split(/\s/).map{|i|lower.include? i ? i : i[0].upcase! }.join(" ")
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<eval-in_> czaks => "false true true false false" (https://eval.in/203213)
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<shevy> epitron there is not much to be honest
<czaks> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".split(/\s/).map{|i|lower.include? i and i[0].upcase!; i }.join(" ")
<eval-in_> czaks => "raiders of the lost ark" (https://eval.in/203214)
<shevy> I could not even compile the qt bindings
<czaks> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".split(/\s/).map{|i|(lower.include? i) and i[0].upcase!; i }.join(" ")
<eval-in_> czaks => "raiders of the lost ark" (https://eval.in/203215)
<shevy> fxruby died
<czaks> uhm k
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<shevy> wxwidget pfffft years inactivity
<czaks> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".split(/\s/).map{|i|(lower.include? i) and i[0]=i[0].upcase; i }.join(" ")
<eval-in_> czaks => "raiders Of The lost ark" (https://eval.in/203217)
<epitron> shevy: tk was sadly the best when I tried in 2008
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<czaks> >> lower=%w[of the in on to]; "raiders of the lost ark".split(/\s/).map{|i|(lower.include? i) or i[0]=i[0].upcase; i }.join(" ")
<eval-in_> czaks => "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203218)
<epitron> I guess that's still the case
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<epitron> Phrogz: do you use qml in your ruby at code?
<epitron> qt
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<shevy> tk always looked so ugly
<Lingo> Hi. I'm writing a gem, which is a wrapper around an external API. What's the proper way of testing it: mocking HTTP requests?
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<allcentury> shock_one: I've tried a few methods but I think VCR is pretty good
<allcentury> shock_one: For the most extensive approach, building your own sinatra app in tests is great - let me find that article for you that Thoughbot did on the subject
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<shock_one> allcentury: thank you very much.
<allcentury> my pleasure
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<epitron> shevy: actually, it's themable as of 2008
<epitron> it looks decent
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<shevy> omg
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<shevy> windows
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<epitron> added in 2002
<epitron> :D
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<epitron> xp looks a lot nicer than the default theme of death
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<epitron> so many classes
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<havenwood> >> 'raiders on the lost ark'.gsub(/\b\w+/) { |w| w =~ /of|t[o|he]|[i|o]n/ ? w : w.capitalize }
<eval-in_> havenwood => "Raiders on the Lost Ark" (https://eval.in/203221)
<havenwood> czaks: ^ just fer fun
<epitron> havenwood: so hax0r
<havenwood> epitron: :P
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<Phrogz> epitron: No QML for me. I'm not even sure what it is.
* Phrogz goes to look
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<gregf_> >> class String; def titelize; (%w[of the in on to].include?self) ? self : self.capitalize; end; end; p "raiders of the lost ark".gsub(/\w+/,&:titelize)
<eval-in_> gregf_ => "Raiders of the Lost Ark" ... (https://eval.in/203222)
<epitron> hah
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<epitron> Phrogz: I'll get out of bed to find you the link
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<Phrogz> no no, I'm there. :)
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<epitron> Phrogz: this is better -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-Wakm5B84
<epitron> it's like the future :D
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<Phrogz> That's nuts. Maybe not in a good way.
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<Phrogz> Is Qt5 only? 'cause I'm on 4.8.6
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<epitron> ahh, yes, i think QML is QT5
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<epitron> so, keep in mind that this entire presentation is a direct screen capture of the pi
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<epitron> he's not mixing slides in with a video editing program :)
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<epitron> all qt5/qml
<Phrogz> That is a hot editing paradigm, live Bret Victor-style loving.
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<Phrogz> So far feels too much like "Let's roll the entire UI ourselves, like Shoes!" instead of using OS-native widgets and concepts. But perhaps I'm not there yet.
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<shevy> hehehe
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<shevy> btw epitron
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<epitron> Phrogz: i'm sure QML can be used to do non-opengl stuff :)
<shevy> That syntax at 3.16 in that video
<epitron> it is very nice for GL though
<shevy> that looks like RUBY SYNTAX
<shevy> THIEVES!!!
<epitron> shevy: :D
<epitron> everyone loves ruby syntax
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<epitron> rust stole it!
<shevy> what I don't like is
<epitron> coffeescript sole (some of) it!
<shevy> everyone creates new DSLs
<shevy> but I want one DSL to bind them all
<wasamasa> the DSL DSL
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<wasamasa> but wait, that kind of thing already exists
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<epitron> shevy: how do you mean?
<epitron> like, DSL standards?
<epitron> and a tool for making them more easily?
<epitron> and letting users extend them?
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<shevy> epitron something like CSS
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<shevy> if I use QML I am tied to qt I reckon
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<epitron> CSS isn't good enough to bind them all :)
<epitron> it's too limited
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<shevy> yeah, it has another scope than QML
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<epitron> QML is great because it does what SASS/etc. do, but better
<waxjar> isn't css technically turning-complete or something
<epitron> technically isn't usefully :)
<epitron> brainfuck is technically turing complete too
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<waxjar> fair enough :p
<epitron> the game of life is technically turing complete
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<epitron> there's an important principle to technology, which is the path of least resistance will determine what gets created
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<waxjar> i wonder how it works, tho not enough to actually figure it out :p
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<epitron> like, if you make something easy in tool X, there will be a lot of that thing
<epitron> in CSS, the easy thing is setting colours/sizes of things
<epitron> and adding images
<epitron> so that's what people do!
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<epitron> the tool should make it easy to do the thing that we want to see more of in the world
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<epitron> and i argue that that thing is good user interfaces for all the complex information on the internet
<epitron> being able to slap together information views quickly
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<epitron> with the ability to interact with it
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<epitron> even better: have it use the semantic annotations on the information to automatically create the view for you, regardless of the size of your device
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<epitron> then all you have to do is tell the thing what type of information it is
<epitron> and each user could have their own preferences for how this type of information is displayed
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<waxjar> utopia! :p
<epitron> and developers could supply hints for how it's laid out
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<epitron> the minimal coaxing would be required
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<epitron> instead of having to wrestle with CSS' turing completeness :)
<epitron> CSS doesn't even make it easy to put 3 columns
<epitron> how insane is that
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<shevy> you can use html tables
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<epitron> that sounds like wrestling to me
<shevy> admit that you like oil wrestling
<epitron> i won't admit that i don't like it
<epitron> oil removes a lot of friction though... that's what SASS is
<shevy> btw I concur - users should be able to freely and easily change any aspect
<shevy> <epitron> and each user could have their own preferences for how this type of information is displayed
<epitron> OILY CSS
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<epitron> shevy: the one-size-fits-all UI is the worst thing
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<allcentury> I knew weechat was pinging me for a good reason
<allcentury> came for the oil party
<epitron> apple has this great thing called NIB that separates the UI from the underlying code
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<allcentury> wasn't dissappointed
<shevy> man
<epitron> you can, in theory, add buttons to any UI on the apple
<shevy> I would not want to get highlighted when my client is called peechat
<epitron> people don't do that though
<epitron> allcentury: :D
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<shevy> I am still using xchat, hexchat is kinda buggy for me :\
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<epitron> Phrogz: oh, it looks like QML is on Qt4 as well.. it doesn't have as good opengl support, is all
<epitron> and it uses QtQuick 1.0 instead of 2.0
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<wasamasa> shevy: this is the one I was thinking of
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<Phrogz> epitron: Thanks.
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<shevy> wasamasa ewwww
<shevy> Docile.dsl_eval({}) do
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<epitron> i was trying to figure out what it adds :)
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<epitron> apparently it has a FallbackProxyObject
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<Trudko> hey guys I have collection which I sort by sort_by! property by which I sort depends on user input how to switch between different properties in sorting except using if else or switch ? (If input = propertyA sort by property A ) ?
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<havenwood> Trudko: Can you gist the code you have so far?
<havenwood> Trudko: Or show example input and expected output?
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<shevy> Hanmac, do you happen to know if these are all "Alt gr" modified keys for german keyboards? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#German
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<benzrf> more like AltDe :^)
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<shevy> ???????????????
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<shevy> nope the key is called "Alt gr" on this german keyboard here
<shevy> it's cool for µL in chemistry
<shevy> but I did not know if nano and pico have a symbol as well
<shevy> one that works :D
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<epitron> is "Alt gr" your compose key on linux?
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<waxjar> its the alt key on the right i believe
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<epitron> (you can make anything the compose key :)
<epitron> i'm wondering how his Altgr works.. if it's a compose key, or some hardware german key
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<ghormoon> hi, I'm new to ruby and I'm trying to find out how to correctly replace class variales (@@var) so rubocop stops complaining and the code still works :) found something on the net, but not much, can anyone have a look on it? it's here, http://pastebin.com/zrsGW3BN look for @@num_quacks (yep, this is obviously a homework :P), in comment after it there's always code I tried to replace it ...
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<ghormoon> also is there simplier way to make the "flying?" and "swimming?" methods?
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<allcentury> ghormoon: what's the diff between @@num_quacks and @num_quacks
<ghormoon> allcentury: one is instance count and one global count
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<allcentury> ghormoon: do you need to keep track of quacks for each duck and then for ALL ducks?
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<ghormoon> yup
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<allcentury> ghormoon: well your optoins are to simply add together the ducks quacks. duck1 = Duck.new duck2 = Duck.new then you can do duck1.quacks + duck2.quacks
<ghormoon> so if you have ducks a and b, doing a.quack and bquack will result it that both a.num_quacks and b.num_quacks return 2 and Duck.num_quacks returns 4
<shevy> don't .quack on my .duck!
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<allcentury> alternatively you might want to make a class Flocks that gets added to anytime a duck quacks
<ghormoon> well I haver to provide Duck.num_quacks which the tests use
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<allcentury> show us the tests
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<ghormoon> look for context 'quacking'
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<ghormoon> the code works like I have it with the @@num_quacks, but that's not correct way, at least according to rubocop
<allcentury> i think you're ok with your implementation ghormoon
<allcentury> rubocop is just worried about SRP
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<ghormoon> and is there any way to write that it's not worried or not?
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<rainfyre> n00b question, what text editor should I use to begin coding in Ruby? I'm using Debian Linux. Do any editors auto indent?
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<ghormoon> hehe that reminds me, anyone usimg intellij idea/rubymine? is there a way hook on rubocop tests before commit?
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<Trudko> havenwood: right now I have @players.sort_by!{ |player| puts player.last_name; puts player.average; -player.average.to_f }
<ghormoon> (teacher tests the code with rubocop too, that's why I'm asking how to make the class variable pass, but hopefully he won't complain about this problem)
<Trudko> but what I want to have is players will be sorted either by last name or by average and by few other things and this will depend on what user will say
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<allcentury> filter add irc_smart * irc_smart_filter *
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<allcentury> :)
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<allcentury> started an API wrapper for Hacker News new API today - not sure if anyone needs it. https://github.com/allcentury/hackernews_ruby
<pharpend> hey guys, I'm trying to write a little utility script to figure out approximately how many cds I need for a road trip. My script is http://sprunge.us/eDBB
<allcentury> I was using the old wrapper that screen scrapped and was excited about the new one
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<pharpend> I'm getting this error - http://sprunge.us/YUAe
<pharpend> Ruby lies
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<allcentury> if your filenames have spaces, you'll need to escape them
<allcentury> quoted = "path/to/file with spaces".gsub(/ /, '\ ')
<Toba> every time I see a filename in a software product with a space in it I do want to escape
<allcentury> => "path/to/file\\ with\\ spaces"
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<allcentury> Toba: part of me thinks no one needs to listen to a RATM live disc on a road trip but I digress...
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<Hanmac> shevy yes with AltGr i can do "²³[]|~" but also other things like "¶ŧ←↓→ø"
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<pharpend> allcentury: didn't work :/
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<pharpend> allcentury: instead, I get error ssta: tripper.rb:5:in `size': No such file or directory - /home/pete/music/Rage\ Against\ the\ Machine/The\ Battle\ of\ Los\ Angeles/01\ Testify.mp3 (Errno::ENOENT)
<pharpend> ack
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<pharpend> allcentury: instead, I get error tripper.rb:5:in `size': No such file or directory - /home/pete/music/Rage\ Against\ the\ Machine/The\ Battle\ of\ Los\ Angeles/01\ Testify.mp3 (Errno::ENOENT)
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<pharpend> there we go
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<havenwood> >> Player = Struct.new(:average, :last_name); [Player.new(2.3, 'Smith'), Player.new(10.3, 'DiMaggio'), Player.new(1.2, 'Smith')].sort_by { |player| [player.last_name, player.average] }
<eval-in_> havenwood => [#<struct Player average=10.3, last_name="DiMaggio">, #<struct Player average=1.2, last_name="Smith">, #<struct Player average=2.3, last_name="Smith">] (https://eval.in/203243)
<havenwood> Trudko: ^
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<wasamasa> shevy: I've seen worse things these so-called DSLs do
<havenwood> Trudko: TL;DR: #sort_by an Array in the order of your sorts
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<Hanmac> pharpend: are you 100% sure you dont did something else wrong? i created a file "/tmp/abc def/file.txt" and both File.size("abc def/file.txt") and File.size("abc\ def/file.txt") but File.size('abc\ def/file.txt') did not ... hm you somehow need to check if that file really exist or something
<pharpend> Hanmac: yes
<WismerTrashCry> list
<pharpend> % ls ~/music/Rage\ Against\ the\ Machine/The\ Battle\ of\ Los\ Angeles/ pete@valentine
<WismerTrashCry> oops
<pharpend> 01 Testify.mp3 05 Sleep Now In the Fire.mp3
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<Hanmac> allcentury: ruby does already escape the filenames for you in the base functions like File.size
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<eam> Hanmac: it actually does no escaping at all
<eam> but none is necessary since a shell is not involved
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<eam> if you're escaping spaces in your string that will cause an error
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<havenwood> File.size "s\ p a\ c e\ s" #=> 5
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<pharpend> Okay, I wrote an equivalent script in python, and it works
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<pharpend> idk
<eam> havenwood: the \ is interpreted by the "" operators
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<havenwood> eam: aye, swallowed whole
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<havenwood> ~~^~~\o|~~
<pharpend> oh ffs
<eam> every byte value is valid in a filename, except for 0x00
<pharpend> I forgot to strip the filenames
<eam> (and "/" which is special and always a separator)
<pharpend> so instead of looking for "/path/to/x" it was looking for "/path/to/x\n"
<Hanmac> pharpend: File.exist?("/home/pete/music/Rage Against the Machine/The Battle of Los Angeles/") hm does that return true?
<havenwood> pharpend: always be sure to have spaces, tabs and newlines in your filesnames
<pharpend> havenwood: haha
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<Hanmac> yeah take all that input strings to a place where they get stripped ;P
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<eam> >> File.open "/tmp/\n\n\n", "w"
<eval-in_> eam => (https://eval.in/203246)
<eam> oops
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<eam> the right answer is "don't use a shell"
<pharpend> thank you all, I figured it out
<pharpend> the answer is, I need way too many cds, and I should probably castrate my playlist
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<allcentury> good answer, interesting word choice
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<gizmore> i found a DoS in my eval code... when i use 1^^1 it is DoS
<gizmore> i wonder if that works here too?
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<havenwood> gizmore: huh?
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<gizmore> i have a math plugin that uses eval... evaluating 1^^1 somehow dos the eval function
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<eam> gizmore: what do you mean "DoS"
<gizmore> denial of service
<pharpend> http://sprunge.us/CdXY - there's the output
<eam> yes, but what exactly are you observing?
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<gizmore> not sure ... the thread just does stops working :)
<gizmore> -does
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<gizmore> >> 1^^1
<eval-in_> gizmore => /tmp/execpad-93a27898bb85/source-93a27898bb85:2: syntax error, unexpected '^' ... (https://eval.in/203250)
<gizmore> funny
<eam> gizmore: that's because it's invalid syntax
<allcentury> are you trying to do
<allcentury> 1**1
<gizmore> eam: yeah.. the problem must be on my side
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<gizmore> >> eval("1^^1")
<eval-in_> gizmore => (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected '^' (SyntaxError) ... (https://eval.in/203251)
<gizmore> nvm then
<allcentury> :|
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<havenwood> gizmore: are you wanting logical XOR?
<gizmore> allcentury: nope, i just thought maybe a friend stumbled across a DoS problem with eval
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<gizmore> somehow in my code this input freezes the thread... quite weird
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<gizmore> havenwood: yes, the XOR is intended... ** / pow does not freeze the thread :)
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<gizmore> so nvm... problem must be on my side somehow, thanks
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<gizmore> hmm syntax error maybe is an uncaught exception
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<gizmore> yeah, that´s probably it :P ... sorry
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<shevy> YOU SUCK!!!
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<Hanmac> symbols does succ too ;P
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<eam> >> :u.succ
<eval-in_> eam => :v (https://eval.in/203260)
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<eam> it returns an emoticon
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<pipework> eam: Great. Now if it could return a reason to wake up each morning, that'd be great.
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<shevy> perhaps it will in ruby 3.0
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<benzrf> symbols succ
<pipework> succ my symbols
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<klurbin> I'm looking for a use case for Drb. It seems like it would be easier and more secure to just convert ruby objects to something like JSON and pass them around.
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<pipework> klurbin: Sounds slow.
<pipework> klurbin: Why don't you use something like protocol buffers, or if you're brave cap'n proto?
<benzrf> cap'n proto?
<pipework> Then at least you're not tied into drb, which might be a pain to use with other languages as it wasn't designed for it.
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<klurbin> It's not so much that I have something I need to implement, I just thought it might be fun to make something 'distributed' then I wondered why anyone would limit themselves to Drb
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<pipework> klurbin: Because Drb is cool and fun.
<pipework> Super easy to use too.
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<tmoore> pipework: do you use Drb in production services?
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<pipework> tmoore: Well, nothing where production is a thing that matters.
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<tmoore> yeah, I've always got the sense that it is more in the cool toy/proof of concept realm
<pipework> But I do build stuff with Drb.
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<pipework> A friend and I have a distributed SOA IRC bot.
<pipework> Using drb.
<tmoore> klurbin: I think you're right that most people in practice do use JSON and HTTP
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<pipework> Yeah they tend to, but HTTP isn't always a great choice for all things.
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<tmoore> certainly not the most efficient choice
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<benzrf> drb is insecure !!
<pipework> Drb is as insecure as HTTP is.
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<pipework> Always use transport layer security.
<pipework> Mutual auth.
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<ranmocy> Is there a way to determine the script whether is running in terminal or required by other script?
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<shevy> ranmocy somewhat
<shevy> if __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME
<shevy> # runs standalone here
<pipework> ^
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<pipework> $1 right?
<shevy> I think it is $0 but my brain can not work with these numbers
<pipework> No $0
<pipework> Yeah
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<shevy> ranmocy if it is a tty, you can also check
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<ranmocy> pipework: shevy Got it. Thank you!
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<brushdemon> !help
<helpa> I need somebody! !help. Not just anybody. !help. You know I need someone. !help
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<brushdemon> heh
<brushdemon> cinch <3
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