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<eam> can you smell what the rdbms is cooking
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<MightyFrogMan22> so i built an app on a digital ocean vps, ubuntu 14 distro, nginx server and phusion. in my apps directory the ‘rails s’ command works, so does ‘irb’ and so does ‘passenger start’ . when i try to run ‘rails c’ the cli doesn’t do anything …why??
<riceandbeans> what rails version?
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<MightyFrogMan22> 4.1.5
<MightyFrogMan22> riceandbeans: 4.1.5
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<Lewix> I'm so weird
<Lewix> I woke up and decided that I want to create a game
<Lewix> totally out of the blue
<Lewix> =)
* Lewix loves Lewix
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<mib_mib> hi - has anyone successfully returned a streaming file from a rack server (i.e. rails / sinatra?)
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<benzrf> mib_mib: i think you need the right kind of rack serve
<benzrf> r
<benzrf> mib_mib: what are you useing rn
<benzrf> oh wait i may be wrong
<mib_mib> using unicorn
<mib_mib> actually, the file downloads
<benzrf> mib_mib: have you tried rainbows! just in case
<benzrf> ah
<mib_mib> i'm not **sure** if its streaming
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<mib_mib> but chrome returns a red network request in the network tab
<mib_mib> which probably means the headers are messed up somehow
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<mib_mib> here is my controller response - http://pastie.org/private/tgw0p81oueoxil1muwro5a
<mib_mib> i mean, the file seems to download but why would google return a red network request? have to assume headers are messed up somehow
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<ruber> Source install of Ruby 2.1.4 on OS X 10.8 hangs at "linking miniruby". Any ideas?
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<sevenseacat> works on ubuntu 14.04 :)
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<ruber> sevenseacat: No consolation, I'm afraid :(
<sevenseacat> sorry :(
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<aewffwea> What's a good resource to learn ruby really fast? I just need to learn the syntax... I'm already familiar with all the CS and programming concepts... Is there any good big cheet sheat with all the ruby features and a few samples of how to use them?
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<Radar> aewffwea: the Ruby Koans
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<sevenseacat> i always forget about those
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<aewffwea> Radar: http://rubykoans.com/ ?
<Radar> aewffwea: that one
<aewffwea> Radar: Great! Thanks!
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<shevy> ack
<shevy> 2.1.4 is there?
<shevy> it is!
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<mozzarella> what's new?
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<rpag> bug fixes
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<shevy> DOWN WITH THE BUGS
<shevy> got a question
<shevy> say I have a standalone class
<shevy> class Foo; end
<shevy> I want to keep it like that
<shevy> however had - I always want to put this into another module, for a larger project
<shevy> but retaining the toplevel definition there so that I can still call it via: Foo.new, without having to do Bla::Foo.new nor include Bla
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<shevy> I wanna shuffle namespaces
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* shevy shuffles mozzarella
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* shevy shuffles havenwood
* shevy shuffles sevenseacat
<Xeago_> shevy: shufflin?
* sevenseacat is now apparently a deck of cards
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<shevy> Xeago well like in evolution
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<shevy> new mutations shuffle the (old) existing gene pool
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<shevy> to yield new gene combinations!
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<apeiros> and everyday he's shuffelin'
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<Luser> Hi guys. I have added 'roo' gem into my gemfile, ran bundle install and now when i want to run file using that gem i am getting an error uninitialized constant, why is that happenning?
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<sevenseacat> magic.
<Luser> Probably :<
<sevenseacat> without seeing your code, we have no idea.
<apeiros> Luser: did you require 'roo'?
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<apeiros> autorequire isn't a given with bundler afair
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<Luser> opeiros: when i added require roo to the file I am getting an error annot load such file -- roo (LoadError)
<Luser> sevenseacat: there is no actual code yet, just class ParseXml and xls = Roo::Spreadsheet.open('xls_file.xls') inside
<apeiros> I'm fascinated how people find ever new ways to misspell my nick
<sevenseacat> well you have more code than that, you have a Gemfile and a Gemfile.lock
<hanmac1> apeiros: Bundler does have a function to require all stuff from the Gemfile (should be Bundler.setup or something ) but as you said its not be done as default
<apeiros> Luser: do you run your code under bundler?
<apeiros> hanmac1: correct. hence my question.
<Luser> Sorry apeiros, font in my irc client made a and o similiar :F
<apeiros> Luser: not a good idea to use such a font in a programming channel.
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<apeiros> more because of code samples than nicks
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<hanmac1> also not a good idea is to use a irc client on a OSX pc for a programming channel ;P
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<apeiros> hanmac1: that otoh is completely and utterly baseless :-p
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<Luser> apeiros: What do you mean by 'under bundler' ?
<apeiros> bundle exec ruby yourscript.rb
<apeiros> bundle exec yourexe
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<apeiros> or ruby yourscript.rb with code in yourscript.rb to load and activate bundler (iirc `require 'bundler'; Bundler.setup`) or somesuch
<hanmac1> apeiros: its because on OSX the clients does like to turn "abc" into ′′abc′′ or something or turn 1...2 into 1…2
<apeiros> hanmac1: nonsense
<apeiros> 1...2
<hanmac1> it did happen last time i used an osx laptop
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<apeiros> hanmac1: learn to config it :-p
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<hanmac1> apeiros: yes but thats the way its enabled as default ...#
<apeiros> not for limechat
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<Xeago> it depends on the locale
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<apeiros> it's a global setting, though. and programs using system facilities will exhibit that behavior
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<Luser> apeiros: yeah, the problem was i didn't include bundle exec QQ.
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<visof> hello
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<visof> what is the best way to make a simple nc data server which invoke the same functionality of nc -lk 9999 ?
<apeiros> Xeago: I think ... -> … is in all locales. but quotes are regional.
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<olivier_bK> i've a question about mechanize
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<olivier_bK> i need to submit a form with onclick button
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<olivier_bK> do you know if mechanize can play with onclick javascript function ?
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<apeiros> olivier_bK: I don't think mechanize has JS support. you'll need one of the headless browsers for that.
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<olivier_bK> pffff.......;
<olivier_bK> ok i going to try with watir
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<olivier_bK> apeiros, thanks men
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<visof> apeiros: can you help ?
<apeiros> visof: I don't know nc
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<visof> apeiros: okay what i want to do is: create server which accept connection on specfic port i got this example http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/socket/rdoc/TCPServer.html , but i need this server send data to connected clients as needed, i don't know how can i do this?
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<visof> apeiros: something like get the data from a text field in a web console and then send the data to client
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<visof> what is the best solution to this problem?
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<HewloThere_> Hi there guys! I'm aware this isn't really on topic, however, I'm doing a survey of sorts (for personal interest) for what operating system people prefer to develop on, their development environment, etc. I was wondering if you could just take a minute or 2 of your time to fill this out? Most answers are either multiple choice or small text box. Thanks! http://goo.gl/forms/NkTjlZmF0O
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<tobiasvl> Do you prefer individual work or working in a team?
<tobiasvl> Yes / No
<tobiasvl> HewloThere_: ^
<HewloThere_> I'm sorry about that.
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<jhass> while some might disagree, Linux still is a kind of Unix, so both?
<apeiros> but it's not certified!!!
<jhass> Also I think actual distributions would be more interesting
<jhass> ah, right but wasn't windows posix certified once?
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<tobiasvl> jhass: it does ask about distro at the bottom
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<jhass> ah
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<jhass> what's "it" in the first textbox question?
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<HewloThere_> jhass. Hmm?
<jhass> "What inspired you to learn it?"
<tobiasvl> "developing and making things" I guess
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<apeiros> building killer robots
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<apeiros> isn't that everybody's inspiration?
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<HewloThere_> xD Whatever suits you.
<apeiros> though, of course that's only the intermediary step to world supremacy
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<cHarNe2> hi guys, im using sinatra and to make my question short, how can i make my own "not_found do" for other codes then 404? if it is possible in an easy way?
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<cHarNe2> i wanna have it for 401 etc
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<cHarNe2> nevermind, i found it: error 401 do
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<Luser> Any ideas why i am getting an error saying LoadError: cannot load such file -- moped when running this script from irb? spreedsheet loads correctly :F https://gist.github.com/luseerr/a2fa1c2633f11889cc98
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<jhass> Luser: because you haven't installed the moped gem in the environment your started irb in or you use a very very old and end of life ruby for your irb
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<Luser> jhass: It is installed through bundler, as is spredsheet, using ruby 2.1.2
<jhass> then try bundle exec irb
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<Luser> jhass: when i run it through bundle exec irb spread doesn't load :/
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<jhass> then it's not part of your bundle
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<Luser> I mean i get something like that on load:
<Luser> SyntaxError: /Users/piotrbrzezinski/Work/mls/zimporter/vendor/bundle/gems/spreadsheet-1.0.0/lib/spreadsheet/excel/reader.rb:1181: duplicated argument name
<Luser> def set_cell worksheet, column, column, xf, value=nil
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<Luser> falls on require 'spreadsheet'
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<ermajn> I'm having problem to install pg gem
<ermajn> I have libpq installed and also postgresq-client package
<ermajn> pg_config is detected
<ermajn> but... gem says that he can not find PostgreSQL client library (libpq)
<ermajn> can anyone help?
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<jhass> Luser: make sure you use the latest version of the gem, if you are open a bugreport, it's clearly a bug in the gem
<jhass> ermajn: make a gist of the full output of gem install including all referenced logs
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<jhass> ermajn: also do you have the dev headers installed for libpq? Usually in a package like libpq-dev or libpq-devel
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<ermajn> jhass, yes I have libpq-dev installed
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<ermajn> need more info?
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<jhass> and /usr/lib/libpq.so exists?
<apeiros> ermajn: that error sounds like it's a version issue, not missing libpq
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<apeiros> jhass: take a look at the mkmf.log. seems like it just reports it wrongly.
<ermajn> jhass, yes it exists
<apeiros> "conftest.c:7:1: error: too few arguments to function ‘PQconnectdb’"
<ermajn> /usr/lib/libpq.so -> libpq.so.5.4
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<ermajn> so what can I do about it?
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<jhass> Are you on omnibus by any chance?
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<shevy> ermajn it may be that gem checks more than just libpq.so
<ermajn> jhass, this is kitchen-test virtual machine, I'm not sure it is related with omnibus :S
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<jhass> I think so
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<ermajn> shevy, logs says that it can not find libpq
<shevy> never trust the logs, especially when libpq.so is there
<jhass> ermajn: look through https://bitbucket.org/ged/ruby-pg/issues?q=too+few+arguments and the linked discussions in other projects
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<maasha> Argh, I need a tmpdir, but the stupid program that I need to run will not tolerate - in dir names :o( - so no Dir.mktmpdir
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<maasha> What is the easiest way to generate a unique and random string without -? timestamp + processid ?
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<apeiros> SecureRandom
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<apeiros> it has various methods. find one which fits.
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<jhass> or you could just strip the - the from the generated name and move it
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<maasha> apeiros: looks good. ty.
<apeiros> and hit the author of that stupid program with a broom. kthxbye.
<maasha> apeiros: sure
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<shevy> time for some old IRC quotes
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<shevy> <jhass> meh, still unicode is still broken # 21th September 2014
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<shevy> <eam> I'm disappointed in perl # 18th October 2014
<jhass> shevy: out of context quote
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<jhass> stop that, I already told you once
<shevy> lol
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<ruber> Source install of Ruby 2.1.4 (and 2.1.3) on OS X 10.8 hangs on 'linking miniruby' with error: 'make: *** [.rbconfig.time] Illegal instruction: 4'. Any ideas?
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<ruber> 2.1.2 installed fine.
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<rpag> hm nope, haven't seen that before
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<olivier_bK> do you know how i can run watir in background ?
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<jhass> xvfb ?
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<olivier_bK> jhass, ??
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<jhass> !
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<michele> hi
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<rpag> olivier_bK, i think jhass meant to use something like http://watirwebdriver.com/headless/
<rpag> hi michele
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<olivier_bK> rpag, i understood after
<olivier_bK> lol
<rpag> cool :)
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<olivier_bK> thanks
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<r00s> can i run unicorn in foreground?
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<rpag> sure
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<r00s> oh. that -D flag is probably for "daemonize"
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<rpag> yup
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<mrgrieves> I want to retry 3 times a system() command if $?.exitstatus have an specific value. is it starting a counter the best way to achieve this?
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<havenwood> mrgrieves: one option would be something like: 3.times { system 'ls'; break if $?.exitstatus.zero? }
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<havenwood> mrgrieves: though i guess you said retry if specific value, so that'd be break unless
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<rpag> that'd work, side-note: $? is one of the things i wish ruby didnt borrow from perl
<rpag> i wish it was more like, s = system(...); s.exitstatus
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<rpag> i guess there could be cases where that wouldnt work though
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<gregf__> mrgrieves: how about : counter = 1; loop { %x(ls foo.txt); break if ( $?.exitstatus == 0 || 3 == counter += 1 ) }
<gregf__> ah - nevrmind. havenwood's is better :/
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<rpag> a recursive method/func could do it too
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<rpag> tbh its pretty rare i see recursion used in ruby though
<csmrfx> well
<csmrfx> should not
<rpag> hm?
<csmrfx> I forget
<csmrfx> ~parser not optimal for recursion
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<rpag> yeah i heard something like that too
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<rpag> still disabled ;(
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<csmrfx> heh
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<gregf__> well, recursion is possible. but if a loop can do it why not use it :/
<csmrfx> I think theres a bug on the line 50, that should be 1
<gregf__> how about: def success(file, counter); %x(ls file 2>&1 > /dev/null ); if ( counter == 3 ); if $?.exitstatus == 0; return 1;else return 0;end;end; success file, counter += 1;end; puts success("foo.txt", 0)
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<jhass> gregf__: sometimes recursion is easier to read and express
<gregf__> yeah, most Functional programming languages use recursion
<rpag> to the max, usually, too
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<mrgrieves> havenwood: gregf__ Thanks Guys!
<havenwood> if you prefer tail-call optimization to backtrace information you can enable it yourself at least ;)
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<rpag> thats why its disabled by default
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<mrgrieves> havenwood: on your first block, how can I sleep for 30secs if $?.exitstatus is non zero?
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<mrgrieves> nevermind
<mrgrieves> 3.times { system 'ls'; break if $?.exitstatus.zero?; sleep(30)}
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<electrical> Hi all, I've got an array with names. those names are part of different modules i want to use in a class using the 'include' option. doing a require to get the right file is easy. but now i'm hanging on the include statement. code snippet: https://gist.github.com/electrical/198dcef1663c7125a42e
<Luser> Did anyone use roo gem for writing CSV files? I have to read from XLS (which is done correctly) and add some data to new rows + export it as CSV, is that even possible?
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<rpag> electrical, maybe you want LogStash::Outputs::ElasticSearch.const_get(name.capitalize)
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<electrical> rpag: will try that.
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<electrical> rpag: works like a charm. thanks!
<rpag> cool weird though because i thought const_get was changed to support Foo::Bar::Baz string
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<electrical> rpag: hehe okay.
<rpag> Object.const_get("Foo::Bar") works for me on ruby
<rpag> ruby2*
<havenwood> 2.0+
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<electrical> ah. we are on jruby 1.7.16 with ruby 1.9.3 i think
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<rpag> good reason to upgrade then? :D
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<electrical> We will as soon as jruby 9k is out :-)
<havenwood> yeah, works with: JRUBY_OPTS="--2.0"
<havenwood> electrical: i'm looking forward to 9k!
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<electrical> havenwood: same here. should improve performance :-)
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<apeiros> yay! finally! found a way to patch ZXing to work with binary encoded QR codes
<apeiros> no more wasted bits :D
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<theotherstupidgu> hi
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<rpag> hello!
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<Mattx> Hellllo
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<rpag> matz wrote net/http right?
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<workmad3> probably, but we try not to hold it against him :P
<atmosx> rpag: no idea, you probably take a look at git's blame
<atmosx> lol
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<rpag> yeah, according to blame, not really
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<atmosx> blame never lies
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<atmosx> then the victim is not Matz
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<rpag> better libraries have come along for sure but net/http ain't so bad imo
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<soahccc> rpag: it's not that complicated but it could assume more as default imho. Code is redundant most of the time (ssl and URI handling)
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<rpag> yeah
<rpag> i agree
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<twohlix> I'm being dumb and forgetful and my google fu is weak today: Best practice for memoizing a boolean?
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<twohlix> something like: return @memoizedthing unless @memoizedthing.nil? then calculate on the next lines?
<rpag> return @thing if defined?(@thing)
<twohlix> ah okay
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<manzo> what about @memoizedthing ||= calculate_function ?
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<rpag> that'll call calculate_function if it returns false a second time though
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<twohlix> yea
<twohlix> its a boolean
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<twohlix> that works great if I want to check everytime its false and be sticky to true, but thats not the expected behavior here
<apeiros> twohlix: I prefer .nil? over defined? *by far* for this
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<rpag> how come?
<rubie> hi all: i came across this in some code today, was wondering what the [1..-2] does here exactly method(argument[1..-2]) here it is in context https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/84130c2b5ebe5c552a33
<apeiros> defined? is a syntax construct which is rather complex
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<manzo> tested here to see by myself on irb and you are right :)
<twohlix> i'd agree with .nil? too because it also lines up with the style, if its not defined it will be a Nil object which responds just fine to .nil?
<manzo> I think I had a different concept about ||= on my head
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<apeiros> rpag: additionally using defined? means you can't initialize the ivar
<twohlix> manzo, it works for non booleans just fine :)
<twohlix> ah yea
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<manzo> twohlix: yes, now I understand why you asked the question!
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<twohlix> good point apeiros
<twohlix> I just tested defined? on a thing set to nil
<twohlix> and its true.
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<twohlix> if i wanted to return nil that would be useful.
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<rpag> hm, i can't say i've run into issues like that with defined?() before but perhaps i didnt catch it
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<apeiros> IMO initializing ivars wherever instead of within initialize is ruby's version of spaghetti-code
<workmad3> >> @foo = false; defined?(@foo)
<eval-in__> workmad3 => "instance-variable" (https://eval.in/211013)
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<workmad3> apeiros: I don't mind lazy-initializing things like arrays in the getter
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<workmad3> apeiros: especially if it's an attribute that doesn't have a setter
<apeiros> workmad3: it's ok to lazily set the actual value. but there should absolutely be a collection of all ivars in initialize.
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<apeiros> otherwise reading the code becomes a (not so) funny scavenger hunt
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<workmad3> apeiros: but then, I dislike using ivars directly :)
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<apeiros> yeah, I'm in the opposite camp
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<rpag> i think ruby -w warns about that
<workmad3> apeiros: I prefer to go through the accessor rather than use the ivar directly, even within the class :)
<apeiros> I find direct use of ivars good style
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<apeiros> again, less scavenger hunting
<rpag> i try to avoid accessors
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<apeiros> unnecessary levels of abstraction = bad idea IMO
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<workmad3> apeiros: I agree with that statement (hell, it's hardly one someone *can* disagree with)... I just disagree that accessing ivars through an appropriate setter is an unnecessary level of abstraction ;)
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<rpag> if you don't use the setter outside the class, it is
<rpag> and leaks state
<apeiros> workmad3: do you have any other gain than "I might change the implementation of the accessor"?
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<twohlix> >> @foo = nil; defined?(@foo)
<eval-in__> twohlix => "instance-variable" (https://eval.in/211014)
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<apeiros> because that one I debunk with a) >10y of ruby where I can count the number of times I had to do that with one hand and b) when I had to do it, replace all "@ivar\b" -> "accessor" was trivial
<havenwood> i vote to use instance variables directly, internally
<rpag> same here
<twohlix> yea
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<rpag> attr_accessor/writer is something i use super sparingly
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<rpag> even attr_reader tbh
<apeiros> havenwood: yeah, internal only
<apeiros> havenwood: also non counting monkey patches
<apeiros> *not
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<yxhuvud> I tend to prefer accessors since they give me a syntax error on spelling errors
<workmad3> apeiros: tbh, I've not thought through the reasons enough recently to bring them to mind
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<workmad3> apeiros: I remember I had reasons... they may no longer be applicable once I recall them
<apeiros> workmad3: feel free to tell me. while I'm strongly opinionated, I'm always interested in good reasoning :)
<apeiros> *to tell me when you remember
<apeiros> man, I'm distracted :-S
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<workmad3> heh
<rpag> why would you setup a setter/accessor if the world outside an object has no business in setting state?
<workmad3> right, I'm off now anyway
<rpag> at least directly
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<atmosx> workmad3: ever created a SaaS?
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<pontiki> to add flavour to the soup, i've seem some code that has private accessors
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<cr3> in a Gemfile, how can I specify a .gem file from a local directory?
<rpag> you can use gem 'foo', path: "../foo" but it expects a directory with a gemspec
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<rpag> gem unpack foo.gem may do it
<rpag> to get the unpacked dir
<jhass> don't think you can, but bundler should pick it up from vendor/cache or something
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<jhass> I think
<cr3> rpag: thanks, I'll try that
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<cr3> rpag: that worked, thanks!
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<cr3> jhass: what do you mean? I use bundle install, which should get everything it needs from Gemfile, but I'm not sure where vendor/cache kicks in
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<jhass> if you run bundle package bundler downloads all needed .gem files and puts them into vendor/cache
<jhass> so that you can install on a machine without network
<cr3> ah, gotcha, thanks for the clarification!
<Trieste> what
<jhass> so I'd try if it doesn't pick it up if you just place it in there
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<jgt> hey everyone
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<jgt> oh, whoops
<jgt> Ruby
<jgt> I’ll go ask my Rails question in the right room…
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<graft> are there any other cool block tricks i should know about? for example, a neater way to do ary.find{|l| l == test} ?
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<jhass> if you consider .find(&test.method(:==)) neater...
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<tercenya> graft: if you only need to know presence, ary.include?(test) returns bool. ary.grep(test) returns an array of all matches, so ary.grep(test).first is probably equal in most cases
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<apeiros> tercenya: grep uses ===, not ==
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<apeiros> but given that you already *have* test, any use-case I can come up with only needs .include?
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<apeiros> graft: if you're looking into just nice stuff to do with blocks - take a look at Enumerable module
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<tercenya> ah, yes, grep is ===, wouldn't work if test is an object of some kind
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<apeiros> would. but depends on its implementation.
<apeiros> Object defines === as an alias of ==
<tercenya> if you *really* need nil or answer, you can do "test && ary.include?(test).presence" if you have active support loaded
<tercenya> or something along those line
<tercenya> test if ...
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<tercenya> short answer is: "no"
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<rpag> whats .presence do?
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<tercenya> presence return self if self.present, nil otherwise
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<tercenya> can be handy when doing initialization, such as options['something'].presence || 'default', if you want empty values (e.g #present? == false) to fall through
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<rpag> ive never used it
<rpag> but good to know
<apeiros> can be annoying, though. since [], "", {} and even " " are not `present?`
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<f0ster> I'm in a certain directory and my shell (via rbenv), is looking for a different version of ruby than it does elsewhere (which isn't installed), anyone know why/how I can resolve this issue ?
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<rpag> is there a .ruby-version file in that dir?
<rpag> otherwise i donno
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<electrical> rpag: very stupid ruby noob question. if i have a method in a module, how do i access the data that's being passed to it?
<rpag> through its arguments?
<rpag> i think i dont understand what you mean
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<f0ster> there is rpag, thanks.. never seen that. the author is using bundler so i thought it would be in the Gemfile
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<electrical> rpag: if i have a module with a certain method for example module ClientSettings and a def add(args). i need to use that in 'a string'.add('args') right?
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<electrical> i wonder how i access that 'a string' part
<apeiros> electrical: you'd have to either include ClientSettings into String, or extend that specific string with it
<electrical> ah i see, okay
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<electrical> Im trying to do something possibly stupid that im trying to solve... got a module with some def's but trying to access those defs as a class :p
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<electrical> https://gist.github.com/electrical/778f40391168785830a5 <-- code not sure how to solve it
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<vickleford> i'm trying to understand "before(:example)" from https://github.com/rspec/rspec-mocks#use-beforeexample-not-beforecontext -- does this mean before 'my test'?
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<electrical> wish i understood Ruby a bit better :-)
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<bricker`work> electrical: are you getting an error? I don't understand the problem
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<electrical> bricker`work: yeah sorry getting an error indeed.. undefined method 'client_settings' for module 'LogStash::Outputs::ElasticSearch::Ec2'
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<bricker`work> vickleford: before(:example) is the default, each test is an "example", so yes, it's "before each test"
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<bricker`work> electrical: If you want your module's methods to be available in that way, you should define them as `def self.client_settings`
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<vickleford> bricker`work: so i literally say "before(:example) do\n#setup\nend"?
<bricker`work> electrical: relevant google searches will be difference between instance and class methods, and extend vs. include
<bricker`work> vickleford: I usually use `before(:each) { do something }`, I am 99% sure they are the same thing
<vickleford> bricker`work: tyvm
<electrical> bricker`work: yeah, that solves it indeed.. then i run into an other issue.. the values i get from the config defs created by the register function i can't call them since they are differently scoped
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<electrical> bricker`work: so i need to access the modules method in a different way i assume to make it work
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<ajk1> is anyone familiar with nokogiri and or mechanize, im having some trouble using it to get accurate data
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<benzrf> >> do 3
<eval-in__> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-f97128747f43/source-f97128747f43:2: syntax error, unexpected keyword_do_block ... (https://eval.in/211049)
<benzrf> wot
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<benzrf> >> [1, 2, 3].map {do 4}
<eval-in__> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-bac14aece4e6/source-bac14aece4e6:2: syntax error, unexpected keyword_do_block ... (https://eval.in/211050)
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<literary> What is a reasonable salary for someone who writes and maintains a semi-popular shopping cart website, is responsible for coming up with growth strategies, and devops, and doing some marketing too?
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<Cat_1> What's your location?
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<ajkamel> @literary try looking at glassdoor for positions similar to yours
<Cat_1> Try indeed.com's salary locator
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<apeiros> hm, css animations sometimes go horribly wrong.
<apeiros> it's fun to watch until you realize it's you who has to fix it…
<ajkamel> literary: try looking at glassdoor.com 's salaries
* apeiros watches a page flicker wildly with the browser unable to decide on the sizes of the elements and just jumping forth and back…
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<literary> apeiros: yay web 2.0
<apeiros> I thought web 2.0 happened in 2000? :D
<apeiros> I'm totally into web3000
<Cat_1> Surely we're on web 3.0 by now
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<rpag> we're at web 10.0
<apeiros> Cat_1: dunno, feels more like web XP
<rpag> haha
<Cat_1> If not, they should totally be Agile.
<rpag> apeiros, come on, it was A LOT worse
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<apeiros> but maybe some day we'll reach web ONE
<rpag> remember IE6? :D
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<apeiros> rpag: stop messing with my memory suppression efforts
<rpag> haha
<apeiros> tbh, back then, the one thing that was worse than IE6 was NN breaking stuff between 0.01 version increments.
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<Cat_1> man Netscape Navigator...there's a name I haven't heard for a long time...
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<apeiros> "this works in NN 4.71, but not in NN 4.72-4.74, but again in NN 4.75"
<Cat_1> It was a more civilized age, with more civilized tags, like <blink>
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<apeiros> Cat_1: sorry for messing with your suppression efforts :-p
<apeiros> <marquee>?
<Cat_1> That too
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<tercenya> remember IE6? I still have IE6/7/8 clients. I also remember banging my head into the wall for hours on end, but that was just last week.
<apeiros> you can have nicer stuff now with css animations. I love my rainbow fade-in/out border swapping input:focus animation :D
<apeiros> (yeah, we were drunk, customer requirement was "make it more visible")
<rpag> if IE6 was bad i can only imagine what IE5 was like
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<apeiros> tercenya: IE8 we have too. but soon they'll see the full-screen red background, fat fonted "use a modern browser" information too, mwaahahaha
<tercenya> apeiros: yeah, that's where I started. except said customers work for uncle sam, and some politicians were upset. Were they upset that their IT was horribly out of date? no...
<apeiros> I'm happy I'm not even anywhere close to uncle sam.
<tercenya> so legacy IE support it is. programming like it's 1999
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<apeiros> I was reminded of that when I had to do html mails
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<rpag> oh god
<apeiros> it was like "try to remember all the tricks from a decade ago"
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<rpag> html+email is horrible
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<apeiros> rpag: only because of sucky clients
<apeiros> sadly gmail webinterface (at least back then) counts as one of those
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<apeiros> most amazing was exchange server, tho. stripped out css from the html in the email. nice, isn't it?
<rpag> inline styles everywhere, no re-use, tables, gah!
<apeiros> styles? no, the result was: don't use css. at all.
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<apeiros> too many places where it simply got removed.
<apeiros> <font> tags, weeee!
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<rpag> i wish it could be improved :(
<rpag> maybe an abstraction to spew out the ugly
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<apeiros> I wish there was a sane selection method. like "show html mails only to mail clients with a sane rendering engine, plaintext everywhere else"
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<jhass> I could live with just the last part
<rpag> same here
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<Cat_1> I still use PINE for my e-mail, I don't know what you guys are talking about...
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<apeiros> jhass: for many cases yes. but there are things where a full html rendering engine shines.
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<apeiros> s/many cases/99%/
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<sweeper> hmmmm
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<Cat_1> If people would run unit tests before they committed, that would be great.
<Cat_1> Half my day has been spent tracking down other people's problems.
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<Cat_1> </vent>
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<lsone> Cat_1: I thought that was normal ... lol
<lsone> That seems to be a daily occurence around here.
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<Cat_1> Me: "Ah crap I broke something." <stash> "Nope, not me."
<Cat_1> Now I just run the unit tests after every pull
<Cat_1> Doesn't help that our cucumber test suite takes literally 3 hours to complete a full run.
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<lsone> o.O
<lsone> Jee
<lsone> z
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<tylersmith> man I thought 20min tests were bad
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<eam> had a 72 hour test suite for one project
<tylersmith> i hope it at least had decent coverage
<MightyFrogMan22> Hi, I am running an app in a ubuntu/nginx vps and I am not able to use ‘rails c’ in the CLI has anyone here experienced this before?
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<rpag> eam, 72 hours?!
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<rpag> MightyFrogMan22, paste the error?
<eam> It was for a cross platform packaging system
<rpag> i thought 30mins was bad :)
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<MightyFrogMan22> reuben@playground:~/file_app$ rails c
<eam> eh, just add more nodes to the build farm and shard, shard, shard
<MightyFrogMan22> the cursor just blinks no output
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<eam> you can get 72h linear time down to 30 minutes if you're willing to invest $$
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<MightyFrogMan22> rpag:
<rpag> MightyFrogMan22, never heard of that before, rails c boots the rails environment/app so it usually takes a few
<rpag> but not an infinite amount of time
<MightyFrogMan22> rpag: yea its still just sitting there
<rpag> sorry but i donno, sounds unusual though
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<Cat_1> @MightyFrogMan22 try which rails
<Cat_1> make sure you're starting the right version
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<MightyFrogMan22> Cat_1: thanks, I just figured it out.. As you can tell im obviously a NOOB.. so i had spring running and it was interfering with it
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<MightyFrogMan22> works now
<Cat_1> Great
<MightyFrogMan22> thanks tho
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<MightyFrogMan22> Spring is some type of service, but its also a gem i dont know why it was running on my box? are you familiar with that? Cat_1
<Cat_1> gist your gemfile for me.
<Cat_1> Are you using RVM?
<Cat_1> if not, use RVM :-p
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<lsone> I've actually started using rbenv, seems like Ruby has been a lot cleaner since I switched
<Cat_1> Can Ruby get dirty?
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<lsone> Your environments definitely can
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<lsone> gems need to be contained! lol
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<Cat_1> I've definitely had to nuke my rvm gemsets a few times to get things back in order.
<lsone> i have 4 projects on different versions of ruby right now >_>
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<lsone> rbenv keeps them much better organized than rvm ever did for me
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<lsone> granted, i am pretty sure the difference between the 2 is pretty much user preference at this point
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<apeiros> I find the best testament to how well rvm works for me that I don't even notice that it organizes anything.
<apeiros> "just works"
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<julian37> I'm looking for a way to close a file object without flushing its internal (ruby-side) output buffer, i.e. throwing away anything that's in the buffer. is this possible?
<havenwood> lsone: I'd vote chruby for minimalist or RVM for full-featured.
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<lsone> I actually haven't touched chruby.
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<havenwood> Anyone notice that Homebrew now "pours a bottle" for Ruby 2.1? So now quick precompiled binary installs instead of waiting while compiling.
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<havenwood> lsone: Take a look if you get a chance :) https://github.com/postmodern/chruby#readme
<apeiros> granted, I never use gemsets
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<havenwood> i never use gemsets either
<apeiros> the only places where I have a need for gem isolation already use bundler
<havenwood> the days of bundler are upon us
<apeiros> and I see no point in mixing those
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<havenwood> yeah, a good way to make two strands simpler is to remove one strand
<theotherstupidgu> is "module_function" equal to "extend self" https://gist.github.com/theotherstupidguy/caf7e8bf2efde650bcf5
<theotherstupidgu> ?
<lsone> i actually have a project that i just finally got away from having to use a gemset. for the life of me i could not figure out why it would always have dependency issues.
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<lsone> scrapped the gemfile and started from scratch, eventually got it cleaned up.
<havenwood> theotherstupidgu: similar to but not equivalent
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<theotherstupidgu> havenwood, how so?
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<apeiros> theotherstupidgu: module_function does the right thing and makes the instance methods private
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<apeiros> theotherstupidgu: another difference is that module_function adds the class method as a copy, while with extend self, it's the same method (difference shows when you redefine the method - if you should ever actually do that)
<apeiros> theotherstupidgu: note that both Kernel and Math use the module_function approach, and not extend self
<theotherstupidgu> but attr_* will be similar to class variables?
<havenwood> theotherstupidgu: practically speaking, you can't have private methods when using module_function
<apeiros> that's an interesting non-sequitur
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<apeiros> anyway, bedtime for me and havenwood will have you covered :)
<havenwood> apeiros: g'night!
<theotherstupidgu> apeiros, thank you for your help, always appreciated
<theotherstupidgu> :)
<theotherstupidgu> goodnight
<apeiros> yw, n8 folks
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<benzrf> nate?
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<theotherstupidgu> havenwood, thanks, i think i will revisit this when if i tried to use it
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<lou__> yo
<lou__> anyone hiring?
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<ericwood> nope, ruby is dead
<ericwood> haven't you heard?
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<lsone> ^^ very dead. at least that is what some random article on the internet told me
<lou__> ericwood: right
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<lou__> lsone: theyreright
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<lsone> not enough movement on stackoverflow. must be dead.
<ericwood> lou__: what area?
<lou__> ericwood: anywhere
<ericwood> if you're looking in Austin I know some peeps who know some peeps
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<lou__> ericwood: remote?
<ericwood> but idk about remote stuff so if that's what you want meh
<lsone> weworkremotely.com
<lou__> ericwood: preferably in canada
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<ericwood> I'm 100% the wrong person to talk to, then
<lou__> or remote
<lou__> ericwood: ask your people who know people who know people
<lou__> you're the people i know =)
<ericwood> they said remote work is illegal here
<ericwood> sorry
<lou__> ericwood: whats the next bandwagon to join since ruby is dead
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<ericwood> idk
<rpag> javascript, go
<ericwood> computers are a fad so just stop using them
<rpag> rust
<ericwood> rust is pretty cool if you want to do systems programming
<lou__> "Terror strips away about 4/5 of your brain" - Junot Diaz
<lou__> so true
<ericwood> all my ruby friends won't shut up about elixir, so there's that
<rpag> probably not many elixir jobs although i donno
<ericwood> nope there's like 0
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<rpag> objective-c, swift for iOS/mobile stuff
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<rpag> and of course java, the best way to get a job
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<lou__> ericwood: node.js go javascript
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<rpag> node.js doesnt seem to be as popular as it was
<rpag> there's the tiobe index too
<lou__> php for legacy app =)
<rpag> windows has opened up to JS so there's that actually
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<rpag> perl is actually ahead of it
<rpag> weird :)
<lsone> tiobe lol
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<lou__> perl!
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<lou__> that's because of booking.com
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<lou__> they hire more perl dev than any other companies
<rpag> youporn is suppose to be perl as well, if you want to work in the adult entertainment business :P
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<lsone> finance and adult entertainment, 2 high paying industries for us. get on it.
<lsone> ( i already work in finance, so i will just stay right here )
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<rpag> but perl isn't as fun anymore
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<rpag> there's too many cool languages out there and perl has stayed the same more or less
<wasamasa> except perl6
<rpag> vaporware
<rpag> it took too long
<wasamasa> there's a haskell implementation!
<eam> perl has changed a lot
<Cat_1> I hear Angular 2.0 has quite the need for developers since everyone who learned AngularJS is like "Fuck that..."'
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<wasamasa> ericwood: speaking of which, I've installed elixir support for my text editor
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<ericwood> cool
<lou__> lsone: finance? really
<rpag> eam, i still see perl as a great system glue language, but it didnt seem to go anywhere else
<wasamasa> ericwood: though, just for reproducing a bug, not because I was interested in the language :P
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<wasamasa> ericwood: it sure looks like ruby
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<lou__> Cat_1: what do you mean
<ericwood> I like the language, need to dig into it more tho
<rpag> doubtful you will get a job at it, but, http://www.crystal-lang.org
<wasamasa> lsone: the porn industry gives you about as much money as finance?
<rpag> very ruby-esque
<eam> rpag: well it got OO with perl5
<rpag> isn't that just hacked on though?
<Cat_1> If I return a Net::HTTP.new(URI) object is there any way to instantiate a GET request using that object?
<eam> rpag: nope
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<ericwood> oof I saw that...definitely makes me want to stray away from angular
<ericwood> ember 4 lyfe
<rpag> Cat_1, #get is an instance method
<benzrf> "instance method" that is the only kind of method!!
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<lou__> I like angular
<rpag> i think it has it as a class method too :P
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<lou__> a framework cant be perfect
<ericwood> yes it can, look at Ember
<ericwood> perfection
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<lou__> ember is far from perfect
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<ericwood> you take that back
<ericwood> right now
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<lou__> i take it back
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<ericwood> good choice
<lou__> ember is further away from perfect
<ericwood> depends on your sensibilities
<ericwood> but anyways
<ericwood> #javascript is leaking again
<rpag> javascript is everrrywhere
<lsone> doing what it does best
<lou__> damn ruby doesnt pay the bills anymore
<rpag> it does, but the days of dumb web requests and a page reload is more or less over
<lou__> i need to either change career and keep doing it for fun or find another good technology that will pay the bills=)
<rpag> rails was very well suited for that kind of model
<Cat_1> right but when I try to get a .get(URI) on the object it says "Undefined method empty?) for (<uri object here>)
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<rpag> it takes a string
<lou__> and im horrible at interviews.
<rpag> not a URI object
<rpag> and its relative to whatever you passed to HTTP.new()
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<Cat_1> blahhh ruby-doc.org is confusing. :-p
<lou__> my brain dont work anymore during interviews aha
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<rpag> there's rubydoc.info, and omniref.com, and if you use pry(should try it), you can query docs/show source
<rpag> i like YARD(rubydoc.info) over rdoc templates for sure
<brushdemon> how about ri
<rpag> it works but i just use pry for that
<ericwood> if I had a cool rubygem I wanted cool documentation for, what shoudl I use?
<rpag> i use yard, but there's rdoc, tomdoc, ...
<ericwood> tell me which is best
<ericwood> I don't like decisions
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<soahccc> Am I right that ^C leads to an INT signal? Why does ^C bubbles down to spawned processes while they wont when I `kill -INT` it (I trap the signal)
<rpag> i think yard is best
<rpag> ^C sends SIGINT, yeah
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<soahccc> rpag: but there must be a difference then what ^C does
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<rpag> i didnt understand the last part of your question
<soahccc> rpag: I trap the INT signal. trapping works in both cases (is recognized) but with ^C it kills my process I started with open3
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<soahccc> Like the shell is sending the signal to each child or whatever
<rpag> yeah
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<rpag> it sends the signal to whatever process has 'focus'
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<lou__> lsone: what do you do in finance. whats the stack
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<soahccc> rpag: focus would have the ruby script wouldn't it?
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* lou__ is going to buy a tesla
<rpag> soahccc, donno have you got some code to try?
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<rpag> brb actually
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<lou__> ericwood: wheres that website remotework whatever
<lou__> what's*
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<ericwood> idk I didn't post it
<soahccc> Sending INT signal is okay, ^C kills the sub :( Can I prevent that somehow? https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/7f08415a1729913c6d0c
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<damic> How the fuck do these routes work in rails?
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<ericwood> damic: they just do okay?
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<shevy> >> time1 = Time.parse "17.11.2104"; time2 = Time.now; time1 - time2
<eval-in__> shevy => undefined method `parse' for Time:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/211069)
<shevy> >> require 'date'; time1 = Time.parse "17.11.2104"; time2 = Time.now; time1 - time2
<eval-in__> shevy => undefined method `parse' for Time:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/211070)
<shevy> >> require 'date'; require 'time'; time1 = Time.parse "17.11.2104"; time2 = Time.now; time1 - time2
<eval-in__> shevy => 2841783499.1367574 (https://eval.in/211071)
<shevy> I don't understand this
<shevy> it is 9 days into the future or?
<shevy> oops
<ericwood> >> Time.parse "17.11.2104"
<eval-in__> ericwood => undefined method `parse' for Time:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/211073)
<rpag> its like 100 years
<shevy> 18 days
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<shevy> ACK
<shevy> you are right
<shevy> 2104
<shevy> my bad
<ericwood> >> require 'datetime'; DateTime.parse "17.11.2104"
<eval-in__> ericwood => cannot load such file -- datetime (LoadError) ... (https://eval.in/211074)
<shevy> my eyes are also bad
<lou__> ericwood: how can you be actively talking in somany channels
<ericwood> I'm really bored and waiting out traffic
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<rpag> irc pro swag
<ericwood> I just happen to like javascript and ruby
<lou__> black belt in ir
<lou__> irc
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<ericwood> being active in 2 channels is a black belt?
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<rpag> ericwood, me too
<lou__> im sorry to hear that
<ericwood> I'm in quite a few more but I'm not active here very often
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<ericwood> #javascript is a shitshow right now
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<ericwood> well, more constructive than normal I guess
<shevy> ericwood I understand ruby but why do you like javascript?
<ericwood> because I like it
<rpag> javascript atm seems to be "python is faster than C"
<lou__> shevy: javascrip is simple
<ericwood> and I like making things with it
<lou__> fun to write
<ericwood> it's a shit language but I have fun so that's what matters
<lou__> and can be more rewarding
<rpag> shevy, javascript is fun when you get into it
<wasamasa> for a twisted definition of fun
<ericwood> it makes pretty things appear on the page
<ericwood> I refuse to use it server-side though
<lou__> ericwood: any languages is shit when you dont understand the good parts and avoid the bad parts
<wasamasa> the sort of fun I have when perusing the oh so undocumented browser developer tools
<lou__> at the end of the day tasted for languages are subjective
<ericwood> idk I don't have to justify why I like this career
<lou__> i dont like chinese
<ericwood> that's racist
<lou__> the language*
<lou__> nothing racist about it
<ericwood> I'm kidding
<rpag> my favorite part of JS is: (function() { })()
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<shevy> what the heck is this
<lou__> rpag: then youd love Go
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<lou__> my favorite part of js is NaN == NaN
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<rpag> shevy, its often used to avoid polluting the global scope, 'var' statements end up scoped to the anonymous function
<rpag> i think its cute
<shevy> ack
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<shevy> does javascript have namespaces?
<lou__> selfinvokingfunctions
<rpag> not really
<lou__> does ruby have namespaces?
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<rpag> in JS you can define an object literal and emulate namespaces that way
<rpag> Foo = {Bar: {thing: function() {} }}; Foo.Bar.thing()
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<lou__> anyways im out
<rpag> cya, lou__
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<lou__> i need to go reconsider my career choice and think about what other choices areoutthere
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<rpag> lou__, buy a lotto ticket
<rpag> then you can use any language you want, at your own company :D
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<lou__> rpag: yup. (im actually serious)
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<rpag> \o/
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<shevy> I always wrote ruby because it is an awesome language
<lou__> shevy: stick to it really
<shevy> well I am at a dead end
<lou__> shevy: what do you do professionaly
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<shevy> good question
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<atmosx> lou__: he hangs out with me
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<ericwood> bffs
<atmosx> ps ericwood !!!
<shevy> I guess you could say I spend most time into science in general
<lou__> atmosx: besides ffing you, he probably has a job
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<lou__> shevy: science? ahhhh i remember
<lou__> you're a chemist?
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<atmosx> lou__: I'm the chemist
<lou__> im confused
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<atmosx> lou__: you always are, arent you?
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<shevy> lou__ currently yeah though I think I will major in biotechnology, it is much simpler. my brain doesn't work well drawing organic synthetic chemistry pathways or memorizing all those specially named transformations - somehow metabolic pathways are much simpler than those in synthetic chemistry
<atmosx> I need to get some sleep
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<shevy> atmosx RESIST!
<shevy> FIGHT THE SLEEP MAN
<lou__> shevy: goodchoice'
<rpag> why sleep is awesome
<atmosx> I'm almost 20 hours awake
<lou__> okadios
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<atmosx> don't think I can do that
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