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<rubie> hi all: im curious what line 8 does in this bubble sort algorithm....https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/6ff1e25f3f54704084e1
<zenspider> rubie: swaps
<zenspider> a, b = b, a
<rubie> what i dont understand is how it swaps the positions
<Bish> ruby does it internally
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<Bish> it's a feature of the language, in most other languages you would have to have a "swap" variable, like third=first,first=second,second=third
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<Bish> to swap first and second
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<rubie> ok so just something i should memorize and not worry about the how
<havenwood> Go, Python, JavaScript, Perl, Swift and others have parallel assignment as well.
<benzrf> js has par as?
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<benzrf> rubie: na
<benzrf> rubie: in general, "a, b = something" will unpack something into a and b
<benzrf> rubie: looK:
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<benzrf> >> a, b, c = [1, 2, 3]; puts b
<eval-in_> benzrf => 2 ... (https://eval.in/201724)
<benzrf> rubie: the "b, a" on the other side makes a new list
<benzrf> so first the rhs is evaluated and you get a list
<benzrf> then the lhs gets assigned from the list
<havenwood> s/Javacsript/Coffeescript :P
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<rubie> ahh interesting
<rubie> but does that change the array?
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<havenwood> >> array = ['a', 'b']; array[0], array[1] = array[1], array[0]; array
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<eval-in_> havenwood => ["b", "a"] (https://eval.in/201726)
<havenwood> i'm so hungry...!
<lampd1> there's an app for that
<lampd1> oh, wait...
<rubie> thanks havenwood, one more thing is this true ? (n-1).times do |i| # (4).times do i ==> i will take these values below 1,2,3,4
<rubie> sorry that is hard to read
<rubie> (4).times do i ==> i will take these values below 1,2,3,4
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<rubie> or does i take the values of 0,1,2,3
<havenwood> >> 4.times.to_a
<eval-in_> havenwood => [0, 1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/201727)
<havenwood> >> 4.pred.times.to_a
<eval-in_> havenwood => [0, 1, 2] (https://eval.in/201728)
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<jimmyhoughjr> heh
<jimmyhoughjr> what webserver uses stdin?
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<jimmyhoughjr> and not port 80 or something
<rubie> thank you havenwood
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<havenwood> no prob, but alas i can't eat code examples
* havenwood wanders off to forage
<rubie> one day i'll send you a pizza
<havenwood> i'll disable tor if pizza is involved
<rubie> hahh
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<wd413> Hello #ruby Im here to ask for help with Rails, rvm and me not being so bright. My Zshell is giving me this error when I try to run a ruby file /Users/joe/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.1.3/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- rest-client (LoadError)
<wd413> from /Users/joe/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.1.3/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require'
<wd413> from rest_requestor.rb:1:in `<main>'
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<havenwood> wd413: RestClient is a gem. RVM's channel is #rvm and Rails' is #rubyonrails.
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<rubie> anyone know a really light resource requiring IDE...i really like Aptana Studio 3 but it crashes all the time and has way more features than i need
<havenwood> wd413: gem install rest-client
<havenwood> wd413: if you're using an app with a Gemfile, prefix `bundle exec` to your command
<wd413> Ty Havenwood brb
<havenwood> after a: bundle install
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<havenwood> rubie: a bit more on the text editor side but loads slow enough i'll call it an IDE :P https://atom.io/
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<havenwood> rubie: OS?
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<rubie> mac
<rubie> 10.9.5
<rubie> can you run projects inside, without using console
<havenwood> rubie: Atom and TextMate 2 are open source and nice.
<havenwood> rubie: Yes.
<rubie> ok cool i'll give it a try, thx
<havenwood> rubie: TM2 is faster and more stable but Atom has a lot of dev going on and a neat plugin system.
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<wd413> havenwood it worked :D :D not sure if I missed installing the gem or if the tutorial figured I would know
<havenwood> rubie: or there's LightTable as well: http://www.lighttable.com/
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<havenwood> wd413: nice
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<wd413> Atom vs Sublime... thoughts everyone? because I dont have enough going on and maybe ill try a new text editor
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<havenwood> wd413: Sublime isn't free but it's linux and windows support is much further along.
<havenwood> otherwise similar
<rubie> you can run inside of sublime, correct?
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<havenwood> yes
<havenwood> and light table
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<havenwood> all of the above
<wd413> I use osx and have had a sublime license for awhile
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<havenwood> s/it's/its
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<havenwood> wd413: yeah, i do too but don't tend to use it. so many options :)
<havenwood> i have an alias that picks a random text editor out of a list of 11 each time i open a file
<havenwood> keep me on my toes
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* havenwood lies
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<Bish> >> %@
<eval-in_> Bish => /tmp/execpad-2335583e045f/source-2335583e045f:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/201732)
<Bish> is that something special?
<havenwood> huh?
<Bish> >> @p = 3; 3%@p
<eval-in_> Bish => 0 (https://eval.in/201733)
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<Bish> i mean %@ the syntaxhightlighting went crazy over this
<benzrf> Bish:
<benzrf> >> @p = 3; 3 % @p
<eval-in_> benzrf => 0 (https://eval.in/201734)
<benzrf> Bish: oh
<benzrf> Bish: probably just broken parsing
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<benzrf> ruby aint easy to parse
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<wd413> I like sublime but dont have much to compare it to.. Ty again for the help havenwood. im logging out to do more studying
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<Nieralyte> are there strings in Ruby so i don't have to escape backslashes and stuff still retaining variable interpolation? e.g. to make this look prettier: `path1 = 'C:\Users\JohnDoe'; puts("#{path1}\\AppData\\Local\\Temp")`
<rubie> what are you studyig?
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<tmoore> Nieralyte: for that specific case I would suggest puts(path1 + '\AppData\Local\Temp')
<Nieralyte> oh
<Nieralyte> for some reason a thought addition doesn't work as concat
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<tmoore> Also consider using File.join for something platform-independent
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<Nieralyte> of course. file example was just an example
<tmoore> I'm pretty sure the direct answer to your question isn o
<tmoore> is no... but concat always works
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<Nieralyte> there's also "#{path1}#{'\AppData\Local\Temp'}" but still :)
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<oetjenj> in that case i'd assign the second part to a veriable (i.e. path2) and do "#{path1}#{path2}", or path1 + path2 even
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<Nieralyte> yep
<tmoore> Nieralyte: you can also put string literals next to each other and the parser concats them together: "#{path1}" '\AppData\Local\Temp'
<tmoore> >> "#{path1}" '\AppData\Local\Temp'
<eval-in_> tmoore => undefined local variable or method `path1' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/201736)
<oetjenj> but for the original questions you either have interpolated strings or not... not half-interpolated strings... afaik
<tmoore> >> path1 = 'C:\Users\JohnDoe'; "#{path1}" '\AppData\Local\Temp'
<eval-in_> tmoore => "C:\\Users\\JohnDoe\\AppData\\Local\\Temp" (https://eval.in/201737)
<Nieralyte> tmoore: dodn't know about that
<tmoore> not much point in this case though :-)
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<Nieralyte> k, thanks
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<kinesis> /j #Drupal
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<louism2wash> hey guys, is there any way to continue execution from inside a rescue block?
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<pipework> louism2wash: in what way? there's next, and retry
<pipework> There's also ensure.
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<louism2wash> pipework: does next only work when you are rescuing inside of an enumerable?
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<pipework> louism2wash: loops, generally.
<monkeypatch> #RubyOnRails
<pipework> There's also continue
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<pipework> wait, I might be thinking of debugging stuff.
<louism2wash> pipework: yeah, continue and next give me errors
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<louism2wash> I've been reading about the continuation class but I was wondering if there was a more vainlla way to get that functionality without having to include another class
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<louism2wash> pipework: also, why wouldn't I cross post? could be different people in different rooms
<pipework> louism2wash: It's a thing. The polite thing to do is wait to see if the first channel doesn't turn any good clues.
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<louism2wash> louism2wash: I had no idea that was a thing
<pipework> Then you're not wasting the time of people in different channels because they might not know.
<pipework> s/\./ that you're being helped/
<pipework> louism2wash: No worries. :)
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<one_egg_each> does anyone have good recommendations for Vagrant boxes to develop a Rails app on?
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<wang> one that is as close as possible to your production environment
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<arup_r> Any one out there using zsh in SUSE ?
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<shevy> bash forever
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<arup_r> shevy: Hi
<arup_r> Do you use Gvim ?
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<shevy> nope
<shevy> vim messes with the brain
<arup_r> hahahaha...
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<arup_r> then Emacs?
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<shevy> emacs is more of a religious OS than anything else
<arup_r> Ohh! Textmate.. I am sure
<shevy> I use linux not osx
<arup_r> Ok.. osx is costly.. I know.. I use SUSE
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<shevy> real men build software from source
<shevy> using ruby
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<jxf> shevy: "emacs is a great operating system. If only it had a decent text editor."
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<shevy> oh I would never go as far as state that emacs is great
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<ProLoser> hallo
<shevy> oh man :(
<shevy> rewriting always takes longer than planned
<ProLoser> I'm trying to use someone else's project, but when I visit the server i just get 'cant load webpage'
<shevy> now it looks as if I won't even finish with it this weekend
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<ProLoser> are there logs or something i can check somewhere for like 500 errors or ways i can figure out why i'm not getting any response
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<jxf> ProLoser: not sure this is a good place to get help with that -- is this a Ruby project?
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<ProLoser> yes
<jxf> you'd probably have better luck contacting the person whose project it is
<jxf> (since "I can't load a webpage" isn't something that's easy to help with and could be any one of many different problems)
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<ProLoser> I have been talking to them too just trying to do side research
<jxf> ProLoser: what web framework is the project using?
<ProLoser> we're using postgres and the server logs a bunch of errors like:
<jxf> Rails, Sinatra, etc.?
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<ProLoser> ERROR: relation "models" does not exist at character 15
<ProLoser> STATEMENT: SELECT * FROM "models" LIMIT 1
<ProLoser> and rails
<jxf> so far I'm not actually sure what your Ruby-specific question is
<jxf> ah -- so, the Rails channel is #rubyonrails (also here on freenode)
<jxf> the default for recent-ish versions of Rails is to log to a file at log/<environment>.log, where <environment> is the name of the environment identifier that the app is running in
<jxf> e.g. log/production.log
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<jxf> just off the cuff, it sounds like you didn't run a database migration or something to that effect
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<shellox> hi, has anyone experience with nokogiri for web scraping here?
<jxf> shellox: ask the question and maybe someone can help! :)
<ProLoser> the migration threw nearly identical errors
<ProLoser> but otherwise i believe migration succeeded
<jxf> ProLoser: well... if it threw errors then it didn't succeed :)
<ProLoser> how can i figure out (to confirm) what framework this is using
<jxf> ProLoser: there should be a Gemfile in the project's root
<jxf> check and see if it says "rails" in the Gemfile
<shellox> i try to get the pronunciation from here, but I'm unsure how to access it the best way using nokogiri
<shellox> i tried that, but it returns more than i want :P data.at_css(".headpron").content
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<jxf> shellox: you might want to take a look at innertext
<jxf> the "just the pronunciation part" is in an anonymous node inside of the .headpron element
<shellox> jxf: returns the same as content for me :)
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<iajrz> there's a guide somewhere about how to ask programming questions... it includes that the question must have a short snippet of code exhibiting the issue, among other things
<iajrz> anyone remembers what it is?
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<iajrz> I think I saw someone here mention it.
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<iajrz> nvm, sscce is the thing. http://sscce.org/ in case anyone wonders.
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<Mia> anyone used cinch before?
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<pontiki> i was just playing with it the other day
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<veek> could some take a look at this:http://decal.sdf.org/spotfedsonline/uncloakirc-freenode-atheme.txt and try to make sense of it
<veek> line 204 onwards
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<sanguisdex> quick gem question mysql or mysql2?
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: maybe that depend at what version mysql do you have?
<sanguisdex> AlexRussia: 5.x is generally where I fall on my machines
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: no, i mean, maybe one gem specailly for old version mysql, new for other....
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<jxf> Given an array of numbers in increasing order, I'd like to get the difference between each consecutive pair of numbers. For instance, if I have [4, 6, 12, 23], I want [4 , 2, 6, 11]. (i.e. [4 - 0, 6 - 4, 12 - 6, 23 - 12]).
<jxf> What's the best way to do that?
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<sanguisdex> thanks AlexRussia
<AlexRussia> >>[4,6,12,23].each{|x|x - rand(0..10)}
<eval-in_> AlexRussia => [4, 6, 12, 23] (https://eval.in/201747)
<AlexRussia> dammit
<sanguisdex> what is the best loop method for a while methid() fails {do this}?
<AlexRussia> >>[4,6,12,23].each{|x|;x - rand(0..10);}
<eval-in_> AlexRussia => [4, 6, 12, 23] (https://eval.in/201748)
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: best loop is lopp
<AlexRussia> loop*
<jxf> AlexRussia: isn't #each always going to give you the original array?
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<AlexRussia> jxf: i too thought so, maybe no...?
<AlexRussia> >>p [4,6,12,23].each{|x|;x - rand(0..10);}
<eval-in_> AlexRussia => [4, 6, 12, 23] ... (https://eval.in/201749)
<AlexRussia> strange
<jxf> I would think you'd want #map
<AlexRussia> >>p [4,6,12,23].map{|x|;x - rand(0..10);}
<eval-in_> AlexRussia => [3, -3, 12, 18] ... (https://eval.in/201750)
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<havenwood> >> [4, 6, 12, 23].each_cons(2).map { |a, b| b - a }
<eval-in_> havenwood => [2, 6, 11] (https://eval.in/201751)
<AlexRussia> jxf: ah
<jxf> havenwood: that's almost right, but the size should be the same
<jxf> havenwood: (the first element is implicitly subtracted with 0)
<AlexRussia> jxf: p [4,6,12,23].map{|x|;x - rand(0..10);}
<jxf> AlexRussia: why do you keep subtracting random numbers? :P
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<zenspider> sanguisdex: pg
<AlexRussia> jxf: maybe cause i did not understand what exactly you want?
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: hey,man, try look on this https://rubygems.org/gems/sequel
<zenspider> ary = [4, 6, 12, 23]; ([0] + ary).each_cons(2).map { |a, b| b - a }
<zenspider> >> ary = [4, 6, 12, 23]; ([0] + ary).each_cons(2).map { |a, b| b - a }
<eval-in_> zenspider => [4, 2, 6, 11] (https://eval.in/201752)
<zenspider> not hard
<sanguisdex> AlexRussia: will read thanks!
<zenspider> it's not implicitly subtracted from zero, it's explicitly
<jxf> zenspider: ah, I wound up doing arr.zip(...), cool!
<jxf> thanks :)
<zenspider> each_cons is the right tool for the job
<zenspider> that or...
<jxf> yeah, I like your approach better, more readable
<zenspider> >> ary = [4, 6, 12, 23]; [ary.first] + ary.each_cons(2).map { |a, b| b - a }
<eval-in_> zenspider => [4, 2, 6, 11] (https://eval.in/201753)
<sanguisdex> AlexRussia: whoh thanks, time to refactor in a good way
<zenspider> which makes more sense
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: refactor code? :D
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: i just used this thing some time ago, cool thing, lite abstraction :)
<zenspider> to be fair, Mathematica calls it Differences and it only returns 3 values
<AlexRussia> zenspider: :D
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<sanguisdex> AlexRussia: I started using the mysql gem, but sequel looks sooo much more useful!
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: :)
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<zenspider> sanguisdex: if you're at decision making time, please decide NOT to use mysql.
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: sequel is somethings like ActiveRecord for mortals :P
<sanguisdex> zenspider: its only like 20 lines of code that need to be re-factored! I can live with that
<AlexRussia> zenspider: do you mean he should use PS?
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<AlexRussia> PG*
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<zenspider> AlexRussia: yes. pretty much anything but mysql
<zenspider> but I do favor pg
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<sanguisdex> are you talking gems or database platforms?
<AlexRussia> zenspider: i use sqlite as i did before, cause i still not make anything big :D
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: platform
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: sequel abstracted at type platform i guess
<sanguisdex> because I am pretty stuck (corporate policy) on mysql
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: :/
<sanguisdex> my company is a Druapl dev shop
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: oh :(
<sanguisdex> but I write my server tools in ruby
<sanguisdex> because its more fun
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: thats nice
<sanguisdex> and I already use it for chef
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<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: maybe they are move someday to RoR or something like that :D
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<sanguisdex> I can't stand RoR
<sanguisdex> but I like ruby
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: does drupal not support PG?
<zenspider> sanguisdex: update your resume
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: yep, RoR is not end of ruby, i prefer sinatra for writing lite apps
<AlexRussia> zenspider: he have resume? @_@
<sanguisdex> AlexRussia: it does, in fact drupal is super abstracted, you don't even have to run it over a SQL server
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: haha
<zenspider> resume... actually résumé... document describing your job history and experience
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<sanguisdex> CV
<AlexRussia> sanguisdex: maybe it don't even have to run on server? :D
<sanguisdex> people want CV's now adays
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<sanguisdex> heh
<AlexRussia> zenspider: no, if you said him UPDATE it, then you're already have to READ it
<zenspider> that too... tho that usually implies much more academic background
<sanguisdex> zenspider: I just get some recruoter to do that for me
<AlexRussia> zenspider: this was my logic in question
<zenspider> sanguisdex: isn't that how you wound up at a company locking you in to mysql?
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<sanguisdex> zenspider: I am not really a web dev any more, more a devops
<sanguisdex> so I just make it run for them
<sanguisdex> after they made it
<sanguisdex> personally I could care less
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<sanguisdex> hey people thanks for the help
<sanguisdex> its 2 AM for me, I have 6% battery and my wife is mad at me for work atm. gtg
<sanguisdex> have a great evening
<AlexRussia> :D
<zenspider> hah
<zenspider> later
<sanguisdex> we can take up the pg vs my latter
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<atmosx> morning
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<totimkopf> http://pastebin.com/WJBFTFjX is there a better way to do this? that code is grotesque :(
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<Mon_Ouie> looks like you just want String#tr
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<Mon_Ouie> Or gsub if this isn't going to remain a 1-1 mapping
<totimkopf> Mon_Ouie: merci
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<marvimias> I have a question for ruby programmers... What is your fondness with the phrase, "fuck this shit"? https://github.com/search?l=ruby&q=%22fuck+this+shit%22&ref=searchresults&type=Code&utf8=%E2%9C%93
<wasamasa> haha
<crome> I like that phrase
<wasamasa> don't forget their fondness for ascii dicks, too
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<crome> I like this one:
<crome> # TODO: fuck this shit
<crome> :DD
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<Mon_Ouie> This line seems to be in most of those: # HACK: fuck this shit - borks all tests that use pl1
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<crome> yeah
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<totimkopf> Mon_Ouie: http://pastebin.com/n3RJjh1F I got it working with gsub, the only thing I thought was an inconvenience was having to type all those Hungarian characters in a regex class for gsub
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<totimkopf> I thought .+ would do the trick but surprisingly it didn't
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<Mon_Ouie> Try Regexp.union to generate that regexp
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<Hanmac1> totimkopf: like Mon_Ouie did sugest use Regexp.union(@chars.keys)
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<totimkopf> http://pastebin.com/pREmbLc2 yep, worked like a charm, thanks :)
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<totimkopf> one thing that I noticed about gsub was that it didn't seem to know what to do with the hash when the keys were symbols or am I mistaken?
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<Hanmac> totimkopf: yes, the keys need to be strings
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<sanguisdex> hodja: don't tell me what to do
* sanguisdex hands hodja a /
<daylight114> hello. Is there anyone who might want to spare a moment to give me a hand on a tutorial I'm stuck on regarding using Yield?
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<alex88> daylight114: just ask your question
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<daylight114> I need to take the return of the block that get's invoke by yield and store it in a new array
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<daylight114> something like this: https://gist.github.com/jaeming/a5c6eb01f4be6897cda3
<daylight114> but that is just shovelling in the original array into my new array...
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<daylight114> I've updated that to show the rspec now so it might make more sense
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<D9> I know there are several solutions to this online that are much better, but I'm trying to learn ruby by making a word counter from a file. My solution counts the entire line instead of each word, and I don't know how to correct it http://pastebin.com/4hsvTFFz
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<D9> I wouldn't be surprised if the fix is one word/line, but I simply can't figure it out, help is greatly appreciated. thanks
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<apeiros> D9: each_line pretty much says that it is per line and not per word
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<apeiros> D9: File.read(path).scan(/\p{Letter}+/) will give you an array of all words in the file identified by `path`
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<sanguisdex> how can I close a mysql connection that I created using the sequel?
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<ilhami> Hey
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<ilhami> https://dpaste.de/NVZK I got this problem.. I tried to run "sudo gem install jekyll"
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<apeiros> sanguisdex: probably by using disconnect
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<D9> apeiros, I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to incorporate that into my code but I cannot get it to piece together. can you please help me with its usage? thanks
<apeiros> D9: paste the code of how you tried to incorporate it please
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<D9> apeiros: I tried many trials and combinations but heres the most recent one http://pastebin.com/bbcB7a21
<ilhami> can anyone assist me?
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<sanguisdex> apeiros: that was easy and logical :)
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<apeiros> D9: and what is the problem you are seeing with that code?
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<sandelius> This JS hype is killing me. Is this really the way we want to go?
<D9> nothing is printed. also a few warnings, but I generally ignore warnings
<apeiros> sandelius: I'd prefer it if we had something like LLVM on the browsers and through that arbitrary languages which can target llvm
<sandelius> apeiros it's not because I hate JS that much but how much I love ruby :)
<apeiros> D9: that definitively should print something, assuming the file you read is not empty
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<D9> warning: regexp has invalid interval warning: regexp has `}' without escape
<D9> only thing in terminal
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<apeiros> D9: oh dear, don't tell me you're using ruby 1.8
<apeiros> D9: what does `ruby -v` print?
<rpag> 1.9 is the new 1.8
<D9> correct, 1.8.7
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<apeiros> D9: help yourself and don't use a decade old software, srsly
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<apeiros> get ruby 2.1
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<D9> is there a way to make this code work for my current version?
<apeiros> /\w+/u instead of your current regex
<apeiros> but really, get a halfway recent ruby. 1.8 has been dead for ages.
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<rpag> say it ain't so ;(
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<D9> perfect, that worked apeiros, thanks
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<apeiros> D9: but still, use txt = File.read(path), not txt = open(path); txt = txt.read
<apeiros> D9: also you probably want to iterate over counts, not contentsArray
<apeiros> since with the latter you'll print each word's count as often as it occurs
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<D9> ahh I see, that did happen. thanks
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<ponga> yay
<ponga> hi #ruby
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<ina_garten> ponga: hi!
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<mostlybadfly> ponga: it me
<ponga> glad to see you here mostlybadfly
<mostlybadfly> You too
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<mostlybadfly> ponga: what kind of things do you do with ruby?
<ponga> mostlybadfly natural language processing
<ponga> don tell me python does it better with nltk
<ponga> how about you mostlybadfly
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<mostlybadfly> I'm learning rails and I've also just been doing some cryptography challenges
<mostlybadfly> Want to make a recipe app for me to use :D
<mostlybadfly> And make it easy for me to incorporate it into a blog . want a career change and thought it would be something fun to work on
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<arrubin> mostlybadfly: Get Drew to pay to send you to Dev Bootcamp.
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<mostlybadfly> Yeaaaah that prob wouldn't work unfort
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<mostlybadfly> Time/money
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<mostlybadfly> arrubin: went to that project Euler sprint and some of the people from DBC were just ok at ruby
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<mostlybadfly> I feel like I did just as well though I'm sure they're good at rails and front end stuff
<arrubin> mostlybadfly: I was impressed with a couple of them that I met at the Ruby Hack Night.
<arrubin> mostlybadfly: Sure, it can be learned.
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<mostlybadfly> Would be nice to have all day to learn
<mostlybadfly> Hard to focus let alone do it at all after a shitty day at a pointless job
<arrubin> mostlybadfly: You can go to their meetups for free.
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<arrubin> See many of the guests that they do.
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<mostlybadfly> The DBC meetups? I havent looked into it
<mostlybadfly> Cool
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<arrubin> Their office is near Merchandise Mart.
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<arrubin> mostlybadfly: But I really suggest going to the Chicago Ruby meetups.
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<arrubin> mostlybadfly: There are two next week (not typical).
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<mostlybadfly> I went to the transit one
<mostlybadfly> And I sadly missed the candyland one. That looked fun
<arrubin> I enjoyed it.
<mostlybadfly> Doing wedding stuff this week so hopefully I can still do them
<arrubin> Did you talk to people at the meetup?
<arrubin> That is much of the benefit usually.
<mostlybadfly> The hack night is out of the question because that's when I have to go get the license
<mostlybadfly> Yeah I went to elephant and castle afterwards
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<dr_toboggan> any other acceptable pastebin clones?
<arrubin> pastie.org, ideone.com
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<dr_toboggan> i'm wondering why this isn't working. this an example of ruby's static scoping, i guess?
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<epitron> dr_toboggan... dr. MANTIS toboggan?
<dr_toboggan> at your service
<epitron> :D
<dr_toboggan> you've got the virus, etc
<dr_toboggan> haha
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<epitron> so insane.. so good...
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<epitron> so, dr_toboggan ... the problem is that you're defining a local variable there
<epitron> you can get around that by using a closure though
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<dr_toboggan> ok
<epitron> supported = proc { |lang| languages[lang] }
<epitron> that's silly though
<epitron> you should use a constant
<epitron> LANGUAGES = { ru: true, en: true }
<epitron> constants are global
<epitron> (and you're not allowed to reassign them)
<dr_toboggan> oh, my code's more complicated than that, i just distilled it into the basic problem i was dealing with
<epitron> let's get dirty
<epitron> show us the real problem
<rpag> ruby don't care if you reassign them
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<epitron> rpag: well, it spams you with warnings
<epitron> you're right.. it's not forbidden
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<epitron> it's just gross :)
<rpag> $VERBOSE = nil and lol to the bank
<rpag> i agree
<dr_toboggan> well, i've got a hash table of languages, and each language points to a hash table of translations
<epitron> i had to do that when i wrote an auto-class-reloader
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<epitron> it would spam the console mercilessly
<epitron> rails gets around that by undefining everything first (by tracking everything that's created)
<epitron> it's a goddamn mess
<shevy> you can shut down the warnings temporarily through $VERBOSE and then restore the original level; it's however annoying to have to do so manually
<rpag> i thought rails had silence_warnings or sth for that
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<epitron> dr_toboggan: i haven't had to do language stuff, but there are some pre-existing frameworks for translations/i18n
<epitron> rails has one built in
<shevy> the problem with the word constants in ruby is that they are not really constant, you can even dynamically assign them freely through Object.const_set() at runtime
<epitron> a constant is more of a conceptual separation
<epitron> like capitalizing class names :)
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<shevy> I blame the english classes in Japan for using the word constant
<dr_toboggan> i'm using ruby's fastcgi module. i just need to spit out some strings for the moment. heh, i was given an excel file with them
<rpag> it should be called "kinda constant" imho :P
<epitron> CONSISTENT
<shevy> "maybe constant"
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<shevy> like the iceberg that killed the titanic
<epitron> constantinople
<shevy> it looked smaller on the surface
<dr_toboggan> "probably constant". ooh, or "constant enough for the moment"
<epitron> (was: istanbul)
<epitron> no wait
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<shevy> yeah
<epitron> (now: istanbul)
<epitron> dr_toboggan: ruby's philosophy is to let you do what you want, but to suggest that it's a bad idea :)
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<rpag> yup, no compile errors in sight
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<epitron> dr_toboggan: you could put 'em in a .yaml file
<epitron> or just load the CSV directly
<rpag> thats what rails does
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<shevy> that silence_warnings thingy should really become part of all of ruby (if it has an elegant use, I dunno how you use it in rails)
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<epitron> csv->yaml translator seems nicer :)
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<dr_toboggan> epitron: heh, well, the deed's been done. i just want to get this done and get this guy off my back
<rpag> i dont know if i saw it in rails, it might have been pry for all i remember, but just lets you do stuff like: silence_warnings { FOO = 1; FOO = 2 } without warnings being spewed to $stderr
<epitron> dr_toboggan: good code helps you as well! :)
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<epitron> think of it as learning ruby on someone else's dime
<dr_toboggan> they're not paying me enough
<epitron> this enriches you as well
<epitron> ...with knowledge!
<shevy> rpag ah interesting, so it is a special method simply
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<dr_toboggan> eh... i'm only using ruby because they're backseat programming and want a language that's more well known
<dr_toboggan> so i'm easy to replace
<timor> hi
<epitron> dr_toboggan: ruby is a good one :)
<epitron> its philosophy is to maximize programmer happiness
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<dr_toboggan> epitron: there are things i like in it. and somethings i don't...
<epitron> what don't you like so far?
<dr_toboggan> but i'm eccentric, probably
<dr_toboggan> syntax is bothering me. i can't trust knowing the proper order things will evaluate in. so i just cover things in parentheses, to make sure i'm not leaving something out
<epitron> ah, that's just learning curve i think
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<epitron> ruby does what you mean most of the time
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<epitron> (which is why its parser is so complicated)
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<epitron> matz is nice
<dr_toboggan> yeah, but then i spend ten minutes figuring out where i missed up the exceptional times
<benzrf> and so we are nice
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<dr_toboggan> epitron: that's the impression i'm getting
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<benzrf> `does what you mean most of the time' is a poor philosophy to base a language around
<benzrf> dr_toboggan: have you ever tried haskell ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
<epitron> hahah
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<timor> Problem: Running "rake test" for my project, it sais "unable to find rake lib". I have tracked it down to the rake dir (.gem/....) not being in $LOAD_PATH, when rake's own testtask is invoked. Other gem's paths are in $LOAD_PATH. Can anyone help me with that?
<dr_toboggan> benzrf: no, i tried to learn SML/NJ. that was... interesting
<epitron> haskell: for code that doesn't have to ship
<benzrf> dr_toboggan: NJ?
<benzrf> epitron: it certainly does seem like that if you know nothing about it, doesnt it
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<rpag> shevy, it just does what you said yeah, sets $VERBOSE to nil and resets it to its original value afterwards
<dr_toboggan> benzrf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_ML_of_New_Jersey it might just be a specific implementation of SML
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<epitron> haskell: by academics, for academics
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<benzrf> epitron: ok you know what i'm not going to get into a flamewar
<epitron> ^_^
* benzrf resists the urge
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<benzrf> my jimmies are not justled
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<shevy> I so hate setting $VERBOSE manually :(
<shevy> rpag hehe
<shevy> I'm gonna propose something to the ruby core team so I no longer have to do $VERBOSE manually
<shevy> ohh rpag...
<shevy> silence_warnings { }
<shevy> ^^^ where is this method defined?
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<epitron> haskell: when you want your program to build 500 megs of binaries that are only useful to that program
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<epitron> (that's based off an experience i had with a haskell wiki that took about 3 hours to build :)
<epitron> it went cabal crazy
<dr_toboggan> epitron: hey man, space/time tradeoff is totally worth it sometimes
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<epitron> the wiki didn't end up functioning
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<epitron> some versioning problem with a Date class
<dr_toboggan> sucks
<epitron> the date parser was too advanced!
<epitron> Type Hell
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<epitron> go has a better space/time tradeoff
<epitron> compiles fast as hell, but the binaries are gigantic
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<epitron> but the binaries are static!
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<epitron> a decent tradeoff there when your goal is to ship code
<epitron> especially considering how fast networks are, and how much CPU cache we have
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<Pulpie> Hey all, I have more of a general web api development question. Should all calls that take user tokens be POST/PUT not GET/DELETE so that the token can be stored in the body?
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<dr_toboggan> use them as cookies?
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<Pulpie> dr_toboggan: this is an api, no cookies.
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<epitron> HTTP verbs are based on what you're trying to do, not what kind of auth you're doing
<dr_toboggan> oh, yeah, i'm doing the same thing. pretty much everything's POST
<epitron> the verb describes the action
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<epitron> if you want to get information, you use GET
<epitron> if you want to send information, you use POST
<epitron> so, when you login, you use POST to set a cookie
<epitron> then you use GET to get data
<txdv> if you want to update information you use UPDATE
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<dr_toboggan> what epitron said
<rpag> there is no update, just PUT/PATCH
<Pulpie> epitron: well the issue is that SSL I don't believe actually encrypts the URI Path
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<epitron> SSL does encrypt that
<Pulpie> so if the token is in the GET path then its open for basically the world to see
<epitron> TLS
<epitron> the only thing you know from an SSL connection is that it happend to that IP on port 443
<dr_toboggan> no? i thought they just opened up a full encrypted connection to the server, and passed all http through that
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<epitron> dr_toboggan: yep
<dr_toboggan> what epitron said
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<epitron> you don't even know what the vhost is
<Pulpie> hmm okay
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<Pulpie> so whats the different from UPDATE and PUT?
<epitron> UPDATE doesn't exist, PUT does :)
<rpag> never heard of UPDATE before
<Pulpie> oh okay
<Pulpie> there is also PATCH
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<epitron> yepp
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<Pulpie> but I am not sure what that actually is for either.
<epitron> this is more for your own api's sanity
<epitron> you can do everything with GET
<epitron> it's just a mess
<Pulpie> actually I was posting everything.
<epitron> you'll end up putting the verbs in the URL params
<Pulpie> thinking only the body was encrypted
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<epitron> GET /url?action=update
<arup_r> Why $/ is not stripping of all trailing \n s ? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/5ef784c474143b2356f8
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<jhass> arup_r: that parameter describes the line separator for readlines (you pass the default value here), readlines doesn't remove it from the read input, it just separates it on it
<jhass> try passing 'o' or 3 for example
<jhass> er, '3'
<arup_r> Ohh.. Humm I tried "\n" also.. didn't work..
<jhass> sure you tried "\n" not '\n' ?
<arup_r> I tried "\n".. Yes I am sure
<jhass> >> "foo\nbar".lines
<eval-in_> jhass => ["foo\n", "bar"] (https://eval.in/201797)
<jhass> >> "foo\nbar".lines($/)
<eval-in_> jhass => ["foo\n", "bar"] (https://eval.in/201798)
<jhass> >> "foo\nbar".lines("\n")
<eval-in_> jhass => ["foo\n", "bar"] (https://eval.in/201799)
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<jhass> all the same
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<arup_r> humm
<txdv> >> "shevy " * 100
<eval-in_> txdv => "shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy shevy sh ... (https://eval.in/201800)
<arup_r> so what should be the second argument ?
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<jhass> nothing for the defaults, if it's a string it's the line separator, if it's a number it's the limit of lines to read
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<shevy> txdv \o/
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<txdv> shevy sh ...
<arup_r> rm -rf shevy
<soahccc> >> "Ruby " * 5 + "ahaha " * 3
<eval-in_> soahccc => "Ruby Ruby Ruby Ruby Ruby ahaha ahaha ahaha " (https://eval.in/201801)
<soahccc> that's how it goes
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<epitron> i wish ruby had a method that automatically removed the \n's
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<txdv> trim
<txdv> strip
<soahccc> chomp
<epitron> AUTOMATICALLY
<txdv> "fuck\n".strip
<epitron> not everything.map(&:strip)
<arup_r> there is no trim
<txdv> >> "ruby\n".strip
<eval-in_> txdv => "ruby" (https://eval.in/201802)
<epitron> like $FUCK_NEWLINES = true
<soahccc> >> "\nruby\nruby\n".chomp
<eval-in_> soahccc => "\nruby\nruby" (https://eval.in/201803)
<txdv> ruby ruby is so sexy that it strips
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<epitron> >> "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n".lines.to_a
<eval-in_> epitron => ["\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n"] (https://eval.in/201804)
<epitron> :D
<arup_r> jhass: so I need to use .map(&:strip)... I thought I can do it in one shot.. My bad luck!
<shevy> I have channel groupies
<epitron> each_stripped_line
<epitron> each_stripped
<epitron> my utilities library has a File#nicelines :)
<txdv> >> "awesome\nyeah\ncool\nrooby"
<eval-in_> txdv => "awesome\nyeah\ncool\nrooby" (https://eval.in/201805)
<txdv> >> "awesome\nyeah\ncool\nrooby".lines
<eval-in_> txdv => ["awesome\n", "yeah\n", "cool\n", "rooby"] (https://eval.in/201806)
<txdv> >> "awesome\nyeah\ncool\nrooby".lines.map(&:strip)
<eval-in_> txdv => ["awesome", "yeah", "cool", "rooby"] (https://eval.in/201807)
<txdv> >> "awesome\nyeah\ncool\n\nrooby".lines.map(&:strip)
<eval-in_> txdv => ["awesome", "yeah", "cool", "", "rooby"] (https://eval.in/201808)
<jhass> txdv: your irb is broken?
<benzrf> .split("\n")
<arup_r> hahahaha
<epitron> >> txdv = "stop it"
<eval-in_> epitron => "stop it" (https://eval.in/201809)
<txdv> actually yes
<txdv> havent got ruby installed yet
<rpag> lol
<havenwood> txdv: how are you going to install ruby?
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<arup_r> txdv: don'
<arup_r> t kill eval-in_
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<txdv> with rvm?
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<shevy> from source man!
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<txdv> too lazy
<arup_r> txdv: is TROLLING :p
<shevy> wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.3.tar.bz2
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<havenwood> txdv: maybe RVM'll have a precompiled binary for your system even
<arup_r> man shevy
<havenwood> txdv: however you install it, do it! :)
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<arup_r> man shevy | grep ruby
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<shevy> I have no man pages
<txdv> he is not man'ly enough
<benzrf> woman shevy | grep ruby
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<txdv> hue hue hue
<soahccc> shevy: alright then we examine the code/heart :D
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<shevy> woman does not exist in UNIX
<arup_r> They exist in Windows... :p
<shevy> soahccc well I do use google and stackoverflow
<shevy> though let's face it guys
<shevy> IRC isn't the highest quality documentation tool out there
<shevy> and IRC!
<arup_r> ls shevy/*
<shevy> man, don't abuse the shevy
<shevy> I am still rewriting this old project right now :(
<arup_r> I respect you shevy! :-) (I was kidding)
<shevy> arup_r don't you have something to code?!
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<arup_r> My Ruby interpreter is too much hot now.. All day I code that's why .. I thought let it get some breath and rest..!
<arup_r> :p
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<rpag> protect the environment etc
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<shevy> safe sex
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<centrx> httparty vs faraday?
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<jhass> didn't use httparty yet but from the API I've seen I prefer faraday
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<centrx> it's a tough choice, faraday can use all these different HTTP libraries as back-ends
<rpag> net/http! :P
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<soahccc> Ruby on Windows is fun, really. True story. I'm not lying. Or maybe I am. fork() not implemented, setting the path via command has a 1024 character limit (winreg hacking!), symlinking is hell, no signals, please shoot me...
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<dideler> can you use Array's reject() to reject non-digits?
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* apeiros obeys and shoots soahccc
<apeiros> dideler: yes
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<benzrf> you can use it to reject anything!
<benzrf> even people asking you on dates!
<apeiros> benzrf.rejected? # => :soo_many_times
<ilhami> soahccc, ok let me shoot you :D where are you?
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<apeiros> ilhami: you're too late. I already shot him
<apeiros> or her
<apeiros> them
<apeiros> pronouns--
<ilhami> or it :D
<benzrf> apeiros: i havent been rejected!
<benzrf> i never tried ;-;
<ilhami> do you guys know jekyll?
<apeiros> I only know hyde
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<benzrf> (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
<arup_r> I understand before or after callbacks.. But never around call back.. What does it mean ?
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<rpag> soahccc, is anything on Windows fun? well, maybe .NET i guess.
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<soahccc> rpag: the cmd window isn't I can tell :D
<rpag> yeah, powershell is a bit better though
<soahccc> I mean it autoscrolls and if you want to read something you "hold on to the scrollbar"... guess what: it freezes the process wtf
<rpag> not as good as linux imho, but decent
<benzrf> I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/LInux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
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<benzrf> Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
<benzrf> There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
<rpag> lol
<rpag> awesome
<benzrf> it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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<centrx> Thanks Rick Stallman
<soahccc> we just call it *nix os then
<rpag> yeah, should be called "rms"
<shevy> damn
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<shevy> benzrf has become a copy paster
<rpag> i think it's a bot
<rpag> but not sure
<shevy> that is worse than centrx responding to when php is mentioned
<rpag> oh its not :P
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<benzrf> im not an it q_q
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<centrx> I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as PHP, is in fact, PHP/Crap, or as I've recently taken to calling it.
<rpag> pardon :)
<rpag> centrx, lol
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<benzrf> i'm real happy for you and imma let you finish but what you're referring to as linux is in fact gnu/linux
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> benzrf and why precisely
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<jalcine> centrx: have you used PHP professionally?
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<jalcine> I mean, we've all seen crap Ruby
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<shevy> PHP is god awful
<centrx> Yes, PHP was the best pre-2006
<jalcine> they're just a lot of crap programmers (myself included) that write crap code and get others to maintain it
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<centrx> The language itself is bad
<shevy> any language design will guide people towards good (better) or bad (worse) code
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<jalcine> lol people love linking that
<jalcine> I'm not saying I'm for it
<jalcine> I'll use a language that works for the approriate application
<jalcine> be it systems, web or mobile
<shevy> that is why inferior languages dominate
<shevy> you only have to be better than some other existing languages
<shevy> like how perl lost the battle for the world wide web
* jalcine notes Perl is still out there
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> perl 6 is totally kickass
* jalcine has mixed feelings about its grammar
<jalcine> or the ability to add to it
<jalcine> but this is a ruby chan :)
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<shevy> no worries, perl 6 will fix that
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<shevy> the funniest ranking is actually TIOBE
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<shevy> I don't think it can be called a ranking any longer
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<shevy> it's like some guy putting out the monthly metric "ok guys, perl will gain +4 ranks this month"
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<jalcine> eh
<jalcine> I've ignored them
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<shevy> huh
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<shevy> I always thought I have to use Object.const_set
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<shevy> but actually you can do that on every module or class it seems
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<shevy> Math.const_set("HIGH_SCHOOL_PI", 22.0/7.0)
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<centrx> shevy, As of Ruby 2.1.3, instance variables can only be set with instance_variable_set
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<shevy> kinda weird that all my old code works on 2.1.3 without modification!
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<centrx> backward compatibility
<centrx> It will go away in 2.1.4
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<swistak35> Why can I not do `[nil, nil, 2].inject(nil, :"||")` ?
<apeiros> swistak35: because || is syntax, not a method
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<jhass> swistak35: you want .any? or .find
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<apeiros> .find(&:itself) # ruby 2.2 :)
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<stephenmac7> So, I'm having an issue with rubyzip and it seems to be related to this line: https://github.com/rubyzip/rubyzip/blob/master/lib/zip/file.rb#L127
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<stephenmac7> ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.2/gems/rubyzip-1.1.6/lib/zip/file.rb:127:in `open_buffer': no block given (yield) (LocalJumpError)
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<jhass> stephenmac7: pass a block
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<stephenmac7> I'm not familiar with the yield syntax... is it passing it as an argument?
<stephenmac7> jhass: It looks like it's trying to yield to a variable...
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<jhass> open_buffer(foo) do |io| io.write yada_yada; end
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<stephenmac7> jhass: I don't want to pass a block though.
<jhass> you need to
<stephenmac7> Though now that I looks at the source it looks like initialize will work with the right arguments
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<stephenmac7> *calls
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<ihatenigg3rs> what can't you do in ruby?
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<shevy> ihatenigg3rs you can do everything
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<ihatenigg3rs> wow, that's amazing
<ihatenigg3rs> even assembly?
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<shevy> you can do assembly in assembly
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<shevy> you can do php in php
<canton7> graphical UI isn't usually done tbh. high-performance stuff, as with any scripting language, is a bit iffy
<ihatenigg3rs> i know in c you can add assembly code to it
<shevy> ihatenigg3rs have you read http://www.artima.com/intv/rubyP.html ?
<shevy> ihatenigg3rs yeah you can inline C code
<ihatenigg3rs> now i have shevy :)
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<canton7> ihatenigg3rs, that's literally constrained to C and a few derivatives
<shevy> no, you should really read it
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<shevy> matz speaks about orthogonal design
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<shevy> ihatenigg3rs here is inline https://github.com/seattlerb/rubyinline and FFI can also be used
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<shevy> and one day probably LLVM
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<shevy> to destroy JVM \o/
<ihatenigg3rs> i'm going to read all of it, cool stuff
<rpag> while you're at it, /nick something-friendly :P
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<rpag_likes_boobs> ok
<rpag_likes_boobs> well I don't think ihatenigg3rs has a serious interest in ruby anyway :)
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<ihatenigg3rs> shevy: i'm going to be attending hack reactor
<ihatenigg3rs> i have a serious interest in programming
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<shevy> I don't
<shevy> I only program because it helps me solve stuff
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<shevy> hehehe
<sarkis_> hey all, can someone help me figure this out: https://gist.github.com/sarkis/eee4856b5ee5d51f5f44
<shevy> rpag now see what you did there
<sarkis_> it always returns 3 (because of 3.times)
<rpag> was gonna happen anyway =)
<sarkis_> is there a way to break the loop and return a value?
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<shevy> well
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<shevy> you can't use the return statement in a loop
<shevy> why don't you modify a variable though to keep track?
<sarkis_> yea i can just do taht
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<sarkis_> was getting all fancy :P
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<rubie> hi all: was wondering why this .min/.max methods are not returning what I thought they would ....https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/221bdb643d216677ad56
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<apeiros> rubie: because your array is an array of strings
<apeiros> and "97" > "588" because "9" > "5" (string comparison is char by char)
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<rubie> ahhh
<rubie> thanks
<apeiros> yw
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<rubie> Box::Rule does this format mean the class Rule can be found in Box module?
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<volty> can smb tell me the reason behind Struct#to_h removal?
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<pontiki> i have not heard it's being removed...
<pontiki> i thought it was just added, in fact
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<shevy> hey volty
<shevy> 2.1.3 has #to_h
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<pontiki> 1.9.3 does not, it was added sometime in 2.x
<volty> but want't it there in 1.8 ?
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> you are walking back into the past
<shevy> come back to the future!
<shevy> nope
<shevy> 1.8.7 did not have it either:
<volty> sorry, maybe i messed something - gave for granted it's there
* shevy spanks volty
<shevy> no problem, one round of group spanking for you
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<apeiros> volty: maybe you used rails and rails added it?
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<volty> no apeiros, it was just my fuzzy brain to add it. Just given for granted it was already there. :)
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<volty> shevy: on what are you loosing your time, currently? :)
<volty> , at the moment
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<shevy> volty I am rewriting my Cookbooks project
<shevy> for the like 3rd time by now in total
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<shevy> eliminating Pathname ... splitting up code ... fixing some circular loading warnings andother warnings of files not being loaded in the proper order...
<shevy> very boring :(
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<shevy> but I could eliminate some code too \o/
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<Fun> hello!
<Fun> I forgot whats the name for rails channel?
<Fun> :)
<Fun> and hi shevy
<existensil> #rubyonrails
<Fun> tyty
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<volty> shevy: your cooking seems more complicated than landing on Mars :)
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<Nilium> I gots my PS/2 adapter and the NMB keyboard working.
<Nilium> Woo for using a keyboard that predates the existence of a windows key.
<Nilium> Which is actually slightly inconvenient 'cause it means remapping the capslock key for stuff.
<volty> is it a public cooking project?
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<volty> btw, back on structs, i did not use them at all till now. Just experimenting with Json as a mean to exchange data with another non-ruby app. That's why I needed to_h (and of course I can write it on-fly).
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<volty> Nilium: And when you will need the caps?
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<shevy> volty well cookbooks for compiling and installing programs
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<Nilium> volty: Rarely, but pressing both shift keys enables capslock, so it's irrelevant.
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<volty> Nilium: a nice solution
<Nilium> YES IT IS.