#ruby on 2014-04-20 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:00 <crucify_me> nice bufferloss

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00:00 <bufferloss> crucify_me, it's loosely based on Karel the Robot from MIT press from back in the day, which I'm sure no-one remembers, but there are nifty games like this out there now that are basically the same thing

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00:00 <benzrf> crucify_me.crucify

00:01 <benzrf> bufferloss: i think codehs or a similar site has Karel but as a dog instead

00:01 <benzrf> w/ tennis balls

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00:01 <crucify_me> benzrf: excellent !

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00:46 <near77> hi

00:46 <near77> anyone can help me with a question of rails?

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00:47 <zorak8> near77: ask your question if anyone here can respond they gonna do

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00:52 <near77> thanks zorak8

00:52 <near77> i have generated a scaffold for some attributes

00:53 <near77> now I want an attribute to be "inherited" from the user session

00:53 <near77> like the parent id

00:53 <near77> the thing is, if I remove the attribute from the "_forms" it won't appear in show for example

00:53 <near77> I only want to make it hidden for the "new" action

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01:03 <shevy> the rails users are in another channel

01:03 <near77> which?

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01:03 <shevy> the channel name is #rubyonrails

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01:34 <advorak> I'm using Linux -- is there something like rb-inotify for processes that have been created/destroyed ?

01:34 <benzrf> advorak: not-osx-five o

01:34 <benzrf> * o/

01:35 <advorak> benzrf, I don't understand?

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01:35 <benzrf> seems like everybody here uses OSX

01:36 <centrx> advorak, You might be able to cook up something with Process

01:36 <centrx> advorak, What are you really trying to do?

01:37 <diegoviola> advorak: check out guard and listen gems

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01:37 <diegoviola> https://github.com/guard/guard https://github.com/guard/listen

01:37 <zorak8> how can a i load a rb file in pry?

01:38 <centrx> zorak8, Did you try load?

01:38 <zorak8> yes but dont get it

01:38 <advorak> centrx, I'm just exploring options for how I would go about doing this, but I am kindof looking to create and destroy xvnc server processes ... and just want to be able to discover information about them .. I'm realizing the POSSIBLY better way is to observe the ~/.xvnc/*.pid files using inotify, but I also want to audit processes that have died and remove the .pid files if it's not been done so if the xvnc server dies unexpectedly ..

01:38 <zorak8> [1] pry(main)> load ./h

01:38 <zorak8> ./hash ./help ./hist ./history

01:38 <zorak8> [1] pry(main)> load .h

01:38 <zorak8> [1] pry(main)> load h

01:38 <zorak8> .hash .hex

01:38 <zorak8> hash help hist history

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01:39 <diegoviola> zorak8: use pastebin

01:39 <diegoviola> ...

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01:40 <centrx> advorak, You might want to use god

01:40 <centrx> advorak, There's a big difference between watching every process on the system, and monitoring your own processes

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01:43 <advorak> centrx, *nods* thanks .. that looks like it may be what I'm looking for ..

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01:58 <ueje_> Please excuse a noob, but what's really the difference between a DSL and a bunch of functions with proper names?

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01:59 <centrx> ueje_, Some DSLs do more than that, see e.g. chef

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02:00 <centrx> ueje_, but yes Ruby is good for making clean DSLs

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02:03 <bufferloss> ueje_, not a lot, really

02:03 <ueje_> bufferloss: cool :).

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02:03 <bufferloss> ueje_, the byproduct of creating any library, be it a library of functions or classes, the byproduct of that is, basically a DSL, aka "jargon"

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02:04 <bufferloss> ueje_, also "functions with proper names" can merely be shortened to "functions"

02:04 <ueje_> bufferloss: in the best of worlds ;)

02:04 <bufferloss> though anonymous functions exist, the normal idea of one in most languages is that of a function bound to a name

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02:05 <bufferloss> whether that name is "proper" or "appropriate" for describing what the function does is probably much a matter of taste/opinion

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02:05 <bufferloss> though there certainly is room for valid criticism in the way things may be named, if it's truly bad

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02:06 <bufferloss> ueje_, also, really, it needn't be just functions, a bunch of classes in a library effectively becomes somewhat of a DSL in its own right

02:06 <bufferloss> ueje_, really any set of named and usable code objects would be a DSL

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02:07 <bufferloss> s/objects/entities|tokens|identifiers|handles|bindings/ or whatever you wanna call them

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02:34 <agent_white> Evenin folks

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02:39 <centrx> agent_white, What's happening

02:40 <agent_white> centrx: Nada guay. Just working on my IRC client! Got multiple channels working in Ncurses after I discovered panels.

02:40 <agent_white> And just bought a mini, 3.5" LCD for my Raspberry Pi!

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02:41 <agent_white> centrx: What you doon?

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02:43 <centrx> agent_white, You should make 2.0 with a Shoes GUI

02:43 <centrx> *version

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02:44 <agent_white> centrx: That's what I was thinking! I almost gave up on Ncurses and did it... but then my laziness to build the new version of Shoes held me back.

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02:44 <agent_white> Why haven't they but it into a damned gem yet?

02:44 <agent_white> s/but/put

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02:45 <centrx> Yeah that is weird

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03:23 <shevy> shoes 4

03:23 <shevy> the java beast

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03:26 <lkjlk> Hi all. How do I point to ruby1.9.3?

03:26 <lkjlk> I'm right now using 1.9.2

03:26 <lkjlk> I'm on linux mint

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03:30 <Hanmac1> lkjlk: use a newer mint, then you get 2.0 as package

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03:31 <Hanmac1> or use the source directly or something like rwm

03:31 <Hanmac1> rvm

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03:31 <lkjlk> ah

03:31 <lkjlk> trying that

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03:31 <lkjlk> rvm is not in package manager :(

03:32 <Hanmac> http://rvm.io/

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03:34 <lkjlk> Hanmac: also when I run "bundle install"

03:34 <lkjlk> I get this Invalid gemspec

03:34 <lkjlk> it's also because of this?

03:34 <Hanmac> #bundler is "nmp" for me ;P

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03:36 <lkjlk> mm

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03:40 <lagweezle> nmp?

03:41 <shevy> lkjlk easiest way - compile from source into versioned appdirs

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03:41 <Hanmac> lagweezle: "not my problem" ;P

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03:41 <shevy> if you use debian then you have to ask them why they don't provide you multiple versions

03:41 <lagweezle> oooooh

03:41 <shevy> answer is FHS /usr prefix colides with same-name

03:42 <shevy> *collides

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03:42 <Hanmac> shevy: wrong debian does provide multible versions, it also have a tool for switching the default version

03:42 <shevy> Hanmac it works if two versions have /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1 ?

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03:44 <Hanmac> shevy: not like that but i have ["/usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/","/usr/lib/ruby/2.0.0/","/usr/local/lib/ruby/2.1.0/","/usr/local/lib/ruby/2.2.0/"]

03:45 <shevy> weird demo purpose btw - different prefixes :D

03:46 <shevy> Hanmac where are the four different ruby binaries?

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03:46 <lkjlk> Hanmac: after getting rvm installed

03:46 <lkjlk> I get unknown string error

03:46 <lkjlk> with ruby1.9.3

03:46 <shevy> what command do you try

03:47 <Hanmac> shevy ["ruby", "ruby1.9.1", "ruby2.0"] "ruby" currently pointing to "2.2.0"

03:47 <shevy> hmm

03:47 <shevy> is there one missing?

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03:48 <lkjlk> rvm install ruby1.9.3-p448

03:48 <benzrf> i use chruby!

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03:49 <Hanmac> lkjlk: why do you want a 1.9.3 version when you can have 2.1.1 ?

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03:50 <shevy> hehehe

03:51 <shevy> use 1.8.7

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03:51 <lkjlk> Hanmac: when I run rails server

03:51 <lkjlk> it shows some invalid gemspec in 1.9.1

03:52 <lkjlk> and if I switch to 1.9.2

03:52 <lkjlk> then also

03:52 <Hanmac> #RubyOnRails is "nmp" too for me ... lkjlk did you install the gems again with rvm ?

03:52 <lkjlk> it needs 1.9.3 I guess

03:52 <lkjlk> again

03:52 <lkjlk> Oh, no

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04:58 <jwhorto1> Hey guys, is anyone able to succesfully get this to rake? https://github.com/DovetailSoftware/coder-test

04:58 <jwhorto1> the part 2

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05:57 <dtr> hi.. is there something for ruby that is like python's virtualenv?

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06:01 <The_NetZ> hello. What, exactly, is VALUE in ruby?

06:02 <jacky> dtr: like localized environment? that's *kind of* a function of bundler's "bundle exec" command

06:02 <dtr> yea jacky

06:02 <jacky> dtr: It runs with the provided gem versions and version you've specified

06:03 <zets> The_NetZ: not sure what you mean

06:03 <dtr> cool, i'll check it out.. thanks jacky

06:03 <benzrf> dtr: sadly ruby does not function the same way

06:03 <jacky> it doesn't even allow execution if your current Ruby version isn't matching what bundler wants.

06:03 <benzrf> dtr: you specify your deps and bundler will restrict execution to using me

06:03 <benzrf> *em

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06:03 <benzrf> dtr: vs. installing what you need and exporting a list

06:03 <jacky> ^

06:04 <jacky> binstubs will become your friend

06:04 <The_NetZ> zets: its something used for holding classes, modules, variables, and methods. probably wrong terminology.

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06:07 <Hanmac> The_NetZ: VALUE is a void* pointer ... and in ruby its general the mastertype of objects (also each object in ruby is a VALUE in C)

06:07 <The_NetZ> Hanmac: so, is VALUE something in C itself or something devised in ruby?

06:08 * yakko grabs a bow of pop-corn

06:08 <The_NetZ> I'm probably doing something foolish that I may or may not abandon at some point in the future, but i'm looking to understand exactly how ruby's inner guts all work

06:08 <Hanmac> hm you need so see both sides ... each Array, each String, each Hash, each (other self defined class in ruby) is a VALUE in C the same time

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06:09 <The_NetZ> Hanmac: yeah, I get that.

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06:10 <The_NetZ> method_foo(VALUE self, VALUE arg1, VALUE arg2) is translated to def foo(arg1, arg2) more or less

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06:10 <The_NetZ> Hanmac: but again, you avoided the question, or missed it. is VALUE something #defined in ruby's source or is it a standard C thing?

06:11 <Hanmac> ah now i got it ruby/ruby.h: "typedef unsigned long VALUE;"

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06:11 <The_NetZ> =_= almost outta smokes...

06:12 <The_NetZ> Hanmac: and ruby/ruby.h is not ruby.h included in native extensions, correct?

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06:12 <The_NetZ> extern "C" { #include "ruby.h" } I mean.

06:12 <Hanmac> ruby.h includes ruby/ruby.h

06:12 <The_NetZ> yeah. so its included, but not directly. got it.

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06:14 <The_NetZ> anyone compile ruby with llvm-clang?

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08:42 <randomnick_> http://pastie.org/9094919

08:42 <randomnick_> why?

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08:42 <popl> why what?

08:43 <randomnick_> i thought and and && is the same ?

08:43 <popl> Why did you think that?

08:43 <randomnick_> so whats the difference

08:43 <crome> their precedence

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08:44 <Mon_Ouie> First one is like puts(3 && 4), second one is like (puts 3) and 4

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08:48 <Morkel> I have a problem with this method https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a59dd90a03cd85636b8a it returns “false” instead of false

08:49 <havenwood> Morkel: does `@bitcoin_payment` happen to be `"false"`?

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08:50 <popl> needs moar context

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08:52 <havenwood> >> false.inspect

08:52 <eval-in__> havenwood => "false" (https://eval.in/138720)

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08:58 <Morkel> havenwood: @bitcoin_paymant is nil

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09:00 <havenwood> Morkel: then seems like #inspect is being called on your false maybe:

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09:05 <Morkel> havenwood: how can i debug this. I cant see any misstakes in this few lines

09:05 <havenwood> Morkel: There isn't any issue with the code you showed. I'd use Pry to take a closer look.

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09:06 <Morkel> havenwood: I have checked with pry but i cant finde an error

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09:08 <Guest29270> Hello! I`m trying to run this > http://ideone.com/QUmC7s but i have some errors. It should add some numbers.

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09:08 <etqqkoiflwhb> Morkel: have you used binding.pry to debug?

09:09 <etqqkoiflwhb> insert one above if !@bitcoin_payment.nil?

09:09 <Morkel> etqqkoiflwhb: Yes with no result. If i call this method from the console it works if i call this method from the controller it returns “false” instead of false

09:09 <Morkel> i use this method in rails

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09:10 <etqqkoiflwhb> Morkel: returns "false" in a json from the controller?

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09:11 <Morkel> No with Pry

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09:11 <Morkel> inside the controller method

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09:11 <Morkel> I have insert binding.pry before @model.save and i call @model.mymethod? which returns a string instread of a boolean

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09:13 <Guest29270> bumping this http://ideone.com/QUmC7s

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09:19 <havenwood> Guest29270: On line 10, `r` isn't getting assigned to `r.rand(temp)`, it is still a Random object.

09:19 <havenwood> >> 0 + Random.new

09:19 <eval-in__> havenwood => Random can't be coerced into Fixnum (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/138722)

09:19 <havenwood> Guest29270: r = rand(temp)

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09:20 <havenwood> Guest29270: Or the way you're doing it: r = r.rand(temp)

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09:21 <havenwood> Guest29270: Instead of `for i in 0..100` you could `101.times do

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09:21 <havenwood> 101.times do |i|

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09:23 <havenwood> Guest29270: Or `0.upto(101) do |n|` or `[*0..101].each do |n|`, but usually you avoid `for` in Ruby.

09:24 <havenwood> 0.upto(100) etc i mean

09:24 <havenwood> just 101.times

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09:24 <havenwood> >> 0.upto(100).size

09:24 <eval-in__> havenwood => 101 (https://eval.in/138723)

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09:58 <ph88> hey guys

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09:58 <ph88> does anyone know where attr_name is declared here? https://github.com/NYTimes/tamper/blob/master/encoders/ruby/lib/tamper/integer_pack.rb#L9

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10:00 <Guest29270> havenwood https://eval.in/138726 it does not loop, has some error and for some reason the result is not true

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10:01 <apeiros> ph8: probably in Pack

10:02 <apeiros> ph8: if you have and instance of Tamper:: IntegerPack, you can do .method(:attr_name).owner and .source_location to figure it out

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10:04 <ph88> thx apeiros

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10:05 <apeiros> Guest29270: you reuse temp

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10:05 <apeiros> and then it breaks

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10:05 <apeiros> Guest29270: also, gets returns a string, not an integer

10:06 <Guest29270> yeah

10:06 <Guest29270> i fixed that

10:06 <Guest29270> now i need to check for equality

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10:06 <Guest29270> i get false for a==b where a is 1 and b is 1

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10:07 <Guest29270> it prints wrong where the numbers should be equal

10:07 <apeiros> Guest29270: inspect the values

10:07 <apeiros> you're probably comparing string and integer

10:07 <apeiros> >> "1" == 1

10:07 <eval-in__> apeiros => false (https://eval.in/138728)

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10:08 <Guest29270> if x.to_s==f.to_s still not working

10:08 <ph88> what's this byebug here ? https://github.com/NYTimes/tamper/blob/master/encoders/ruby/lib/tamper/integer_pack.rb#L27

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10:09 <apeiros> Guest29270: don't just go riddling around

10:09 <apeiros> Guest29270: this is programming. figure out what is going on and then fix it

10:10 <apeiros> p x: x, f: f # <-- this line prints you the inspect values of x and f, which give you more information

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10:11 <apeiros> ph88: sounds like somebody forgot to remove a debugging statement

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10:11 <apeiros> probably pry-byebug

10:11 <Guest29270> {:x=>78, :f=>"78\n"}

10:11 <Guest29270> makes no sence

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10:11 <apeiros> Guest29270: makes totally sense

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10:11 <Guest29270> i did not add tabs or endlines

10:11 <apeiros> yes, you did :)

10:11 <apeiros> gets returns the string entered

10:12 <apeiros> and that includes the newline you enter to terminate it

10:12 <Guest29270> :)

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10:14 <ph88> apeiros: what is that byebug doing? print something ?

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10:14 <apeiros> ph88: *assuming it is pry-byebug*, check the gem. it certainly describes what it does.

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10:14 <ph88> apeiros: where is there an asigment and comparison on the same line here https://github.com/NYTimes/tamper/blob/master/encoders/ruby/lib/tamper/integer_pack.rb#L28

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10:15 <apeiros> ph88: what does == return?

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10:15 <ph88> true or false i think

10:15 <apeiros> so x = (a == b) assigns true/false

10:16 <Guest29270> it worked with f = gets.chomp and if x.to_s==f.to_s but it aint pretty

10:16 <ph88> oooh

10:16 <apeiros> Guest29270: you'd better convert the input to integer

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10:17 <Guest29270> it does not allow that. g.to_i is not available

10:17 <apeiros> ?

10:17 <Guest29270> to s and enum are available

10:17 <apeiros> "it"?

10:17 <Guest29270> the compiler has intellisense

10:17 <apeiros> Guest29270: you're talking in riddles.

10:18 <ph88> does anyone know PHP here ?

10:18 <apeiros> Guest29270: and I hate to pull information out of peoples noses.

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10:18 <apeiros> *ruby* has String#to_i

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10:18 <apeiros> so if you have anything *nonstandard*, you'd better tell that.

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10:19 <Guest29270> it seems to be working, i installed Rubymine and the latest ruby version and auto complete was not showing to_i SOrry for the confusion.

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10:22 <apeiros> Guest29270: intellisense != "the truth"™

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10:24 <Guest29270> :) my bad.

10:24 <Guest29270> Thank you!

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10:29 <zorbita> xx

10:29 <apeiros> ph88: I guess nobody wants to admit they used php at one point in time…

10:30 <atmosx> anyone runs openbsd or netbsd?

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10:32 <ph88> ^^

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10:33 <apeiros> ph88: but as always - ask your question. metaquestions suck.

10:33 <apeiros> same goes to atmosx :-p

10:34 <ph88> metaquestion ?

10:34 <atmosx> I run the following cmd in 'irb' Gem::Platform.local.os, can I run it in ruby?

10:34 <atmosx> apeiros: I'm writing a gem, and wants to make sure it runs on major unices: linux, {free,open,net}bsd and darwin

10:34 <apeiros> atmosx: try it?

10:34 <atmosx> apeiros: how?

10:35 <atmosx> ruby Gem::Platform.local.os wont run, I need a flag :-P

10:35 <apeiros> ruby -e 'puts Gem::Platform.local.os'

10:35 <apeiros> or just put it into a file and run that file

10:35 <apeiros> hardly difficult…

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10:36 <apeiros> ph88: a question which isn't what you really want to ask, but rather a question about your actual question

10:36 <atmosx> no that what I was looking for the -e switch

10:36 <apeiros> ph88: like your "anybody used php?", or "anybody run openbsd?"

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10:37 <atmosx> aint nobodyyy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvPZo52X5vo

10:37 <atmosx> happy easter btw or whatever they say in your countries

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10:38 <Nowaker> anybody knows anybody?

10:39 <apeiros> atmosx: happy miracle bunny day? :)

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10:43 <St_Marx> the ortodox Easter AKA "kill -HUP /dev/jesus"

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10:46 <ph88> apeiros: well no point asking some questions before another question :P

10:47 <apeiros> not with that kind of questions, no

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11:05 <zorbita> cool

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12:38 <dushigo> Using ruby's httpclient, How can I download the HTML source from a given website ?

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12:40 <dushigo> .Using ruby's httpclient, How can I download the HTML source from a given website?

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12:50 <pskosinski> dushigo: If all you want is getting raw source of the website, you can require "open-uri" and simply open("url").read, no need for httpclient gem

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12:52 <dushigo> pskosinski: Thanks, but I'm trying to adapt it to existing code which uses httpclient.

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12:53 <ph88> does anyone know PHP here ?

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12:55 <pskosinski> dushigo: Umh, so… https://github.com/nahi/httpclient/blob/master/lib/httpclient.rb => HTTPClient.new("URL").get.body?

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13:01 <pskosinski> dushigo: Sorry, actually ^^ HTTPClient.new.get(url).body

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13:52 <relix> I'm trying some code out using SSLSocket from the OpenSSL stdlib in ruby

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13:52 <relix> I was trying to figure out how to use SNI (which sends the hostname to the HTTP server before downloading the certificate, so that a different SSL cert can be selected)

13:52 <relix> example code said to do ssl_client.hostname = "hostname.com" or whatever

13:52 <relix> this works, but I can't find it in the docs anywhere

13:52 <relix> http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/openssl/rdoc/OpenSSL/SSL/SSLSocket.html

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13:53 <relix> I'm worried I'm losing out on some other functionality

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13:54 <relix> why are not all methods documented?

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13:58 <centrx> relix, Are you sure ssl_client isn't an instance of URI, not OpenSSL?

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14:01 <shevy> ph88 I once knew php but I thankfully forgot everything

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14:04 <pskosinski> I didn't forget everything yet :(

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14:07 <ph88> shevy: :'(

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14:39 <relix> centrx ssl_client is what i get back after SSLSocket.new

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14:39 <relix> centrx not sure why it would be a URI :)

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14:39 <relix> I'll get a gist for clarification

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14:41 <relix> https://gist.github.com/dv/11115764

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15:57 <shevy> test

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16:24 <centrx> shevy, test failed

16:24 <shevy> no wonder

16:24 <shevy> it was written in php

16:25 <benzrf> hue

16:25 <pskosinski> Couldn't be in PHP, not variable, not execution of a function…

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16:26 <pskosinski> Buy could be Ruby code!

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17:06 <marahin> hey guys. What's the easier way to tell ruby script what to show if someone calls that script with an "-h" flag?

17:06 <marahin> Actually, what's the easiest way to manage passed flags?

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17:11 <Mon_Ouie> Use an option parser. There's optparse in stdlib and there are several other gems (e.g. slop) to do it.

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17:14 <xorl> Still learning the mechanics of ruby/programming in general, how do I pass a variables outside of a class to a def within a class?

17:14 <xorl> Just pass self to the function?

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17:15 <xorl> example https://gist.github.com/xorl/d8d82c279814359db5a2

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17:17 <Mon_Ouie> That example just makes no sense. var is a local variable, it does not belong to any object. Show us what you're actually trying to do (what's the method you want to call, where are the objects you want to pass to that method)

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17:18 <xorl> ah, would I go about it as attr_reader :var and rename it to @var = ...

17:18 <xorl> Mon_Ouie, (hence my still learning bit) I have confused myself

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17:19 <Mon_Ouie> I'm still not sure what you're trying to do

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17:19 <xorl> just access that object/variable from within that class, that's it

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17:20 <Hanmac> havenwood: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8142206720/hE32DF382/

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17:21 <havenwood> Hanmac: a prophecy

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17:22 <Hanmac> havenwood: what is your current doctorwho episode? or did you already watched the last specials?

17:22 <havenwood> Hanmac: s3e6

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17:23 <havenwood> Evolution of the Daleks

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17:23 <havenwood> spelled different than it sounds, i'd have thought Darleks :P

17:23 <Hanmac> gasp! you need to watch more!! the best quotable sentences are beginning with s5

17:23 <Mon_Ouie> But "passsing object across classes" doesn't make sense because it's all about objects. An object has a reference towards another object and may provide a method to retrieve it. If you have a reference to that first object, you can use it to get that second object.

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17:24 <Mon_Ouie> An object is not "in a class" simply because the code that manipulates it is located within the body of a class

17:24 <Hanmac> "it's all about objects" ... thats a good title for a RubyBook ;P

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17:28 <xorl> Mon_Ouie, the code should explain what I want to do, I want to be able to access that variable from within the class

17:28 <xorl> not the other way around for this instance

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17:31 <shevy> xorl with a class, use ivars like @foo to store data. to pass data between objects, use methods to query or change said @ivars

17:31 <Mon_Ouie> That code only contains definition of classes and modules, one method that calls an undefined method, and an unused local variable. It's nowhere concrete enough for me to know what you're looking for.

17:31 <xorl> shevy ah okay

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17:32 <shevy> xorl like

17:32 <shevy> >> class Cat; def initialize(eat_this_mouse = nil); @eat_this_mouse = eat_this_mouse; end; def eat_me; puts 'eating mouse '+@eat_this_mouse.object_id.to_s; end; end; class Mouse; end; cat = Cat.new(Mouse.new)

17:32 <eval-in__> shevy => #<Cat:0x40779f1c @eat_this_mouse=#<Mouse:0x40779f30>> (https://eval.in/138838)

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17:35 <fly2web> hi give the ruby site.

17:35 <fly2web> i will study ruby for some reason.

17:37 <certainty> oO

17:37 <fly2web> no one is here?

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17:37 <certainty> nope

17:37 <certainty> not even you :)

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17:37 <fly2web> give me ruby site for studying.

17:37 <havenwood> on earth day we all dissapear.

17:37 * havenwood fades away.

17:38 <centrx> fly2web, Try Ruby Koans or RubyMonk

17:38 <havenwood> fly2web: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/

17:38 <certainty> fly2web: ruby-lang.org

17:38 <fly2web> thanks

17:38 <havenwood> fly2web: if you're just starting Ruby: http://tryruby.org/

17:38 <fly2web> what is ‘on earth day’? havenwood

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17:39 <havenwood> fly2web: today is earth day

17:39 <fly2web> havenwood: then we will die all today?

17:40 <havenwood> fly2web: the little death that brings about total obliteration

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17:40 <fly2web> havenwood: you will die today too?

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17:41 <centrx> Earth Day and Easter on the SAME day!

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17:41 <havenwood> centrx: it is also still Passover

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17:42 <havenwood> whew, there is a holidays gem, aptly called 'holidays'

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17:43 <fly2web> i have known ruby site in the past. and that site is very easy. but i dont find it.

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17:46 <fly2web> i find it ‘learn to programming’

17:46 <fly2web> learn to programming is easy to learn self?

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17:47 <havenwood> fly2web: Chris Pine's Learn to Program is nice if you've never programmed in other languages.

17:47 <crome> chunky bacon!

17:47 <havenwood> foxes!

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17:48 <fly2web> i know programming about c, c++, java, jsp, perl, python, sql, jquery, objective c, ios, android, ajax, php, javascript html5, except ruby.

17:48 <centrx> Then you are missing out

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17:50 <havenwood> fly2web: knowing c, perl, python and obj-c should make ruby an easy treat

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17:50 <fly2web> oh i see.

17:51 <crome> Im fairly sure there is no human being on earth who are proficient in all those languages/technologies

17:51 <havenwood> fly2web: written in c, influenced by perl and python, and a smalltalk inspired sibling of obj-c

17:51 <crome> who is*

17:51 <fly2web> i will study ruby for mataprogramming

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17:53 <havenwood> fly2web: The Ruby Programming Language (the Sparrow) is a good book.

17:53 <fly2web> havenwood: thanks but you will die today?

17:53 <havenwood> fly2web: no, i'm a bot. i'm going to live forever.

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17:54 <fly2web> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516178.do

17:54 <havenwood> fly2web: that's the one

17:54 <fly2web> oh bot.

17:54 <fly2web> i see.

17:54 <havenwood> fly2web: or the 2nd edition of The Well-Grounded Rubyist is currently in beta

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17:55 <fly2web> ok i see thanks. and i will read book that have small page.

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17:55 <fly2web> about 300 ~ 400 page.

17:55 <fly2web> ok thanks havenwood

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17:57 <_axx> Hello, is it possible to display <%= value %> without erb rendering it? I use Chart.js and it uses the same syntax for an option value.

17:57 <near77> hi

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17:58 <near77> does anyone know why I can't seem to be able to change params on the controller?

17:58 <near77> for example: hijo_params[:id_afiliado] = current_user.id_afiliado and then do a @hijo = Hijo.new(hijo_params)

17:58 <near77> hijo_params never changed :S

17:58 <havenwood> near77: you might try #rubyonrails

17:59 <fly2web> how long it takes reading ‘learn to programming’?

17:59 <havenwood> _axx: whatcha mean by display but not render?

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17:59 <_axx> havenwood: chart.js uses erb syntax inside an javascript option hash

17:59 <_axx> like so: scaleLabel : "<%=value%>",

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18:00 <_axx> the problem is, if i use that inside my rails app, erb thinks it's supposed to be rendered by erb

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18:00 <havenwood> _axx: you might want to ask in #rubyonrails

18:01 <near77> im not getting to that channel..

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18:01 <havenwood> near77: nic reg required

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18:01 <_axx> havenwood: hm, ok, thanks! :)

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18:15 <Mon_Ouie> crome: I doubt that claim is true. I mean, C, Obj-C, C++, Java share so many things, etc. I mean, you may not remember by heart every dark corner of each of those, but knowings them well enough to be able to contribute to projects written in those languages is not that unlikely…

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18:16 <fly2web> havenwood: you know about metasploit?

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18:17 <havenwood> fly2web: or the nicer ronin, sure

18:17 <fly2web> oh

18:17 <fly2web> no

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18:18 <havenwood> fly2web: https://github.com/ronin-ruby/ronin#readme

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18:18 <kerin> How do I call a static method from a parent class, WITHIN a static method?

18:19 <fly2web> Ronin is a Ruby platform for vulnerability research and exploit development

18:19 <fly2web> ok good

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18:20 <fly2web> i will study ruby for this

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18:20 <Mon_Ouie> kerin: The proper term is "class method". And you can use super to get the implementation of the same method, or just call the method for other methods as they're inherited.

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18:21 <Mon_Ouie> Unless you actually want to call it *on* the super class (as opposed to calling the class method with self being the subclass), you can use ThatSuperClass.some_method

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18:21 <kerin> Mon_Ouie, I've tried method_name, self.class.method_name

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18:21 <Mon_Ouie> method_name is fine. Show us your code then.

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18:21 <kerin> certainly, one moment

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18:23 <kerin> ah, so ThatSuperClass.method_name worked

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18:24 <Mon_Ouie> It's not the same though

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18:25 <fly2web> i know ruby vs i know about ruby <—— which is right statement? havenwood

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18:25 <kerin> I'm not extending or replacing any of the superclass's methods

18:25 <kerin> (at this point)

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18:25 <Mon_Ouie> e.g. if you do something like def self.var=(x); @var = x; end in the superclass, it will set the super class's attribute, not the child class's

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18:26 <Mon_Ouie> fly2web: The first one. The latter one sounds like "I know that Ruby exists".

18:26 <kerin> I am only using the superclass to package some common atomic tools to generate IDs/do single lookups against the DB to translate a catalog number into a slug, for instance

18:26 <fly2web> ok thanks

18:27 <kerin> so in this case there is no class state to manipulate - if there was these wouldn't be static methods ;)

18:27 <kerin> er, class methods

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18:27 <havenwood> fly2web: 'knowing ruby' suggests you can code in ruby. 'knowing about ruby' is much more general and could denote mere familiarity with the concept that ruby is a language.

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18:28 <Mon_Ouie> A class is an object too and can have its own state, it has nothing to do with the state of a class's instances

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18:28 <fly2web> thanks havenwood

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18:28 <crome> Mon_Ouie: it takes a long time and practice be skilled in a language. being skilled in C does not mean you are good at C++ as well. while being good at a language helps a lot with learning another one, it takes a whole lot of experience to learn the quirks of all of them.

18:29 <kerin> Mon_Ouie, I know

18:29 <crome> being good at all of those is jut not feasible

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18:30 <Mon_Ouie> But knowing all the quirks is not required to be able to program in it.

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18:31 <crome> learning java, for example, is not solely about the language itself. its about knowing the framework, the libraries, etc.

18:31 <crome> it takes years

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18:31 <crome> being able to program is a very empty claim

18:31 <crome> it does not really mean anyting

18:31 <dtr> hi all.. is there something like python's virtualenv for ruby? bundler doesn't quite do it

18:32 <lagweezle> rvm / rbenv / chruby

18:32 <Mon_Ouie> "well enough to contribute to projects written in that language" was how I had it formulated before

18:32 <lagweezle> I'm using rbenv. I need to investigate more on chruby.

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18:32 <dtr> thanks

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18:35 <crome> Mon_Ouie: you can be a "skilled" rails developer without knowing much about how ruby really works. and then you will find yourself in really strange situation with your application blowing up in your face

18:36 <omosoj> Not sure how to ask this question properly... How do I reference an array within a block when I created the array with an earlier method? https://gist.github.com/josomo/11121409

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18:36 <crome> Mon_Ouie: knowing the quirks is part of what makes you good

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18:38 <Mon_Ouie> omosoj: You need a variable to store that array so you can refer back to it.

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18:38 <Mon_Ouie> You may also be interested in a method called Enumerable#each_cons

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18:38 <omosoj> Mon_Ouie, okay, but when I try to do that I think I create an array within an array. In irb it comes up as [[4324]]

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18:39 <Mon_Ouie> crome: Better, sure (for some of them at least); but I don't think it's necessary

18:39 <omosoj> Whoa, each_cons is helpful :)

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18:41 <crome> Mon_Ouie: necessary for what?

18:41 <banister_> crome btw, Mon_Ouie is not speaking for himself, he knows an incredibly amount of ruby's quirks :)

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18:41 <banister_> incredible*

18:42 <crome> Im not trying to attack his knowledge or reputation in any wat!

18:42 <crome> way*

18:42 <Mon_Ouie> Using the language effectively, being able to apply for a job that will require you to write code in that language

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18:43 <crome> you just said *effectively*

18:43 <crome> there is a huge difference between being able to write code in a language and writing effective code

18:43 <Mon_Ouie> "in such a manner as to achieve a desired result." says google. That seems reasonable.

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18:44 <Mon_Ouie> Not "in the most optimal way possible"

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18:46 <crome> and dont get me wrong, Im not saying that only the most professional people are to be hired companies would go brankrupt with that hiring policy. but claming knowing more than 5 languages is a surefire way to make my spider senses tingle

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18:46 <crome> knowing bits about 5 languages is a lot easier tha knowing one at an efficient level

18:47 <babykosh> I have an array…myarray = [1,2,3,a,b,50,40,-10] i just want the number of integers in the array how to do this?

18:47 * apeiros tingles cromes spider sense

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18:47 <canton7> babykosh, myarray.count{ |x| some condition involving x }

18:47 <Mon_Ouie> Saying you know that many languages equally and very well is unrealistic yes, but at various degrees, not that much

18:48 <apeiros> Mon_Ouie: it's actually not

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18:48 <apeiros> Mon_Ouie: it's just incompatible with "we want somebody who's <20y old and has 20y of experience in all languages"

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18:48 <apeiros> and of course has a CS major

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18:50 <banister_> canton7 someone knowing, C, Ruby, javascript, coffeescript, (e)lisp is not that unusual, i wouldn't doubt someone too much if they said they did

18:50 <banister_> err crome

18:50 <banister_> sry canton7 :)

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18:51 <banister_> crome you can include SQL in that list too

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18:51 <Mon_Ouie> Are those your main languages? ;)

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18:52 <shevy> wow

18:52 <shevy> crome has spider senses

18:52 <shevy> like zenspider!

18:53 <banister_> Mon_Ouie Yeah :D but i dont think it's too unusual to have proficient knowledge in all of those languages

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18:55 <alpha123> I think most programmers know more than five languages. I'm a web designer/front-end developer guy and I know more than 5 (though I'm only really proficient in JavaScript and Ruby)

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18:55 <banister_> alpha123 i dont think html/haml/css really count as languages in the sense crome was meaning though

18:55 <banister_> alpha123 i assume he's talking about turing complete languages

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18:56 <Mon_Ouie> Does Coq not count then?

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18:56 <banister_> Mon_Ouie Do you like Coq?

18:56 <banister_> ;)

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18:57 <banister_> Mon_Ouie i've heard a bit about that, are you learning it?

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18:57 <Mon_Ouie> I don't know it at all, I just know it's not turing complete, but still far from a markup language

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18:57 <alpha123> banister_: I know, I don't count those as languages either

18:57 <banister_> alpha123 ah so which languages are you referring to?

18:57 <alpha123> I don't count XSLT either, even though it's technically turing complete

18:57 <alpha123> banister_: JavaScript, Ruby, Lua, Common Lisp, and Python

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18:58 <apeiros> I know html, haml, slim, csv and markdown!

18:58 <alpha123> (though I have some basic knowledge of a bunch of others, like Haskell and C++)

18:58 <banister_> alpha123 cool, yeah, i dont think knowing >= 4-5 langauges is that unusual anymore either

18:58 <alpha123> learning new languages really helps expand your horizon :)

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19:00 <atmosx> Hello

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19:01 <atmosx> I'm trying to use optparse, but my options hash returns an empty hash... https://gist.github.com/atmosx/11122112 in many examples I've seen online, should work. I'm using ruby 2.0 ... is there anything wrong with options = {}?

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19:12 <_2_ash_starz> hi

19:12 <_2_ash_starz> :D

19:12 <_2_ash_starz> anyone here

19:12 <_2_ash_starz> :O

19:12 <_2_ash_starz> hello:O

19:12 <atmosx> nope

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19:13 <_2_ash_starz> um hello

19:13 <banister_> Mon_Ouie what languages are you interested in recently?

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19:14 <Mon_Ouie> Nothing new, I'm mostly programming in C now

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19:15 <shevy> hmm

19:15 <shevy> atmosx I hate optparse so much

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19:16 <atmosx> shevy: I got it

19:16 <atmosx> just now

19:16 <atmosx> lol

19:16 <atmosx> I need to supply an argument

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19:19 * Hanmac does make very evil C(++) macros ... i dont think that Mon_Ouie might understand them all ;P

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19:57 <banister_> Mon_Ouie what're you working on in C?

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20:51 <Lightsword> how would I go about printing a gs1_128 barcode from ruby to a brother network label printer? I found this but don't know how to interface it with my printer https://github.com/toretore/barby

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20:57 <Xeago> does anyone here have a standing mat?

20:57 <Xeago> for a standing desk obviously?

20:57 <Xeago> Could you tell me your experience and tips to look out for when finding a mat?

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21:00 <shevy> a standing mat?

21:00 <shevy> is that a mat that stands?

21:00 <shevy> I have the classical setup - table, computer, mouse, keyboard, rollable chair

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21:00 <shevy> and some protection below that chair so the wooden floor isn't damaged

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21:04 <apeiros> Xeago: tried the kybun mat from my mom for a while with a standing desk. was good. but I can't stand more than 1h per half day.

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21:06 <Xeago> noticeable improvements?

21:06 <Xeago> as for reasons, I can't wear shoes at work

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21:07 <Xeago> (my feet get too sweaty, and then I can't focus)

21:07 <Xeago> so I don't wear shoes

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21:09 <Xeago> that is a fokking expensive mat

21:09 <Xeago> shevy: I don't sit at my desk usually

21:09 <Xeago> I stand, for hours straight

21:09 <Xeago> I usually rest once before and after lunch

21:09 <Xeago> (or have a meeting)

21:09 <centrx> Why don't you just use the coat of an animal you hunted and killed with your bare hands

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21:10 <shevy> hmm

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21:11 <Xeago> centrx: because it takes a long time to dry the hide

21:12 <apeiros> Xeago: felt good. nothing objectively better.

21:12 <Xeago> apeiros: thanks

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21:13 <shevy> Xeago can't you wear some other kind of shoes? sandals? Slippers? flip-flops? kung-fu shoes?

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21:14 <Xeago> tried sandals, slippers and flipflops

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21:14 <Xeago> have spend almost 700 EUR on it

21:14 <Xeago> of which i expensed quite a bit :\

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21:15 <Xeago> we've gotten to the point where I 'rent' a the footwear and try it out

21:15 <Xeago> not wearing anything solves the problem

21:15 <Xeago> so we thought a mat might do

21:15 <shevy> hmm

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21:48 <dmarr> anyone able to help troubleshoot boxen with me? http://danceb.in/5B5USNXI4xGLaM0yvseTbw it bundle installs correctly then complains about json-1.8.1 which appears when i gem list

21:48 <dmarr> also my local rbenv may be to blame, its using 1.9.3 but from that error its trying to install in 2.0.0

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21:50 <cfurrow> dmarr: what is the output when you type 'rbenv version'?

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21:51 <cfurrow> you may not be setting your ruby version where you are bundling. (https://github.com/sstephenson/rbenv#choosing-the-ruby-version)

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21:52 <dmarr> cfurrow: http://danceb.in/Fn8EdbI4xGOVdgyvseTbw

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21:53 <dmarr> yeah i guess I could set it with RBENV_VERSION

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21:53 <cfurrow> yeah, that or with the .ruby-version file

21:53 <dmarr> but from that repo im trying to install (boxen) you can see it already sets the version to system

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21:56 <cfurrow> so what happens when you set RBENV_VERSION?

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21:57 <dmarr> http://danceb.in/EgR2y9bI4xGOVdgyvseTbw

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21:59 <rdgawdzi> Say I have a character in Ruby, c. (Which really is a string). Is there basically no way to get it's predessesor?

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22:00 <cfurrow> dmarr: that is pretty shitty that boxen relies on 'system', instead of a version. could you try to set the .ruby-version to what you want, and try again?

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22:01 <cfurrow> rdgawdzi: what are you asking for? a string "c" and you want what?

22:01 <rdgawdzi> If I have a string "c", how do I get "b", or "a"?

22:01 <rdgawdzi> How do I generate an ascii table in Ruby?

22:01 <rdgawdzi> How can I create characters from integers?

22:01 <dmarr> cfurrow: http://danceb.in/VJC4WtfI4xGvEskyvseTbw

22:01 <cfurrow> I don't think ruby has any concept of the english alphabet in that way. You'd have to have an array that it could use.

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22:02 <cfurrow> dmarr: seems like it's still set to system?

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22:02 <cfurrow> rdgawdzi: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/143822/ruby-character-to-ascii-from-a-string

22:02 <dmarr> when i ruby -v ruby 1.9.3p545 (2014-02-24 revision 45159) [x86_64-darwin13.1.0]

22:03 <dmarr> but yeah teh output said its saving to 2.0.0.

22:03 <cfurrow> and .ruby-version is set to 1.9.3p545?

22:03 <dmarr> 1.9.3

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22:03 <Mon_Ouie> rdgawdzi: You can get the next character with #succ but not the previous one

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22:04 <Mon_Ouie> You can use Integer#chr and String#ord to go from one representation to the other

22:04 <dmarr> same error when i set it to 1.9.3-p545

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22:06 <cfurrow> dmarr: it still tries using the system ruby 2.0.0 version? that's silly.

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22:06 <dmarr> yeah

22:07 <dmarr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19209522/how-do-i-run-boxen-in-mavericks-with-rbenv-installed

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22:10 <cfurrow> dmarr: gross. maybe try that suggestion and see what happens?

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22:11 <dmarr> hrmm http://danceb.in/NuKBu9jI4xGrvs0yvseTbw

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22:14 <dmarr> soo difficult getting that working

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22:19 <Steve445> Why doesnt DateTime.Commercial support 0-53 for week numbers?

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22:20 <Steve445> How does ruby deal with: Weeks begin on Sundays, and week 1 begins with the first Sunday of the year. Days preceding the first Sunday of the year are in week 0.

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22:25 <myke> Steve445: there's actually iso standars for these things...they're not as obvious as you may think

22:26 <myke> for one thing, the first day of a new year may not be in the first week of that year

22:26 <Steve445> yes. Thats why its 0 to 53 not 1 to 52

22:26 <myke> usually both 0 and 7 are sunday

22:26 <myke> unless you're in a locale where weeks start on monday instead of sunday

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22:27 <Steve445> Week 0 is the time Between Sunday and the start of the new year

22:27 <Steve445> example: year starts on Jan 1 which is a Wed

22:27 <Steve445> Week 0 would be Sunday to Tuesday

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22:28 <Steve445> Week 1 is Wed to Sunday

22:28 <Steve445> or sat

22:28 <myke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

22:28 <myke> if it doesn't work exactly like that...it's wrong

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22:29 <myke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date

22:29 <Steve445> The problem is this should work: DateTime.commerdial(2013, 00)

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22:29 <Steve445> DateTime.commercial(2013, 00)

22:29 <Steve445> or even DateTime.commercial(2014, 00)

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22:31 <myke> hmm...i don't see week 0 defined actually

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22:32 <myke> tho you could subtract 7 days from jan 1st of the desired year and then calculate what week of the previous year that is...either 52 or 53

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22:33 <Steve445> its weird cause in Strftime under %U its defined with 00 - 53

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22:34 <Steve445> http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/date/rdoc/DateTime.html#method-c-new

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22:35 <Steve445> Date has a different explanation. May be the issue: http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.1/libdoc/date/rdoc/Date.html#method-c-commercial

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22:37 <Steve445> Part of the issue is .Commercial is not using Sunday as first day of week!

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22:44 <shevy> anyone happens to know if it is bad if I do .getbinaryfile() via ruby ftp on a text file? would it be corrupted?

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22:45 <canton7> the binary/text distinction is only whether to convert line endings, iirc

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22:45 <canton7> so binary on a text file is fine - you might end up with the wrong line endings, but that's not the end of the world

22:45 <canton7> you get the file as it is on the remote server

22:45 <canton7> getting a binary file as text is a different story

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22:53 <shevy> ah ok

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22:54 <shevy> so if the target is text it seems less stringent than if the target is a binary file

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22:56 <canton7> so as long as you transfer in binary mode, everything's safe

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22:56 <canton7> if you transfer text files in text mode, you get some advantages (if you see tham as advantages). if you transfer binary files in text mode, you're stuffed

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22:58 <shevy> hehe

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23:28 <tar56> Does anyone know of any free web hosting services with free SSL support

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23:44 <shevy> not really

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