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<shevy> the less lines of code you have to write to achieve a desired result, the better
<DouweM> I noticed my blood has turned the color of ruby since I started coming here
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<crome> shevy: its a *very* wrong advice
<noob101> DouweM: Thanks, I treat people like how I would like to be treated. It's karma right?
<shevy> noob101 case when is very useful, look here once, it is very short: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/948135/how-can-i-write-a-switch-statement-in-ruby
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<noob101> oh god no oh god oh no, stack overflow, I don't know how to read the information on the page.
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<noob101> It's super confusing to my pupil.
<DouweM> lol
<DouweM> you're gonna get used to it
<DouweM> you gotta, even
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<noob101> I will try though, thanks shevy
<DouweM> wha confuses you about it
<noob101> fine :(
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<shevy> noob101 you only have to look at the first answer
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<shevy> case a
<shevy> when 'xyz', 'abc'
<crome> but I would simply hit people who ask things like 'How do I write a switch statement in Ruby?' in the face
<crome> with a chair
<shevy> you are rather violent crome
<shevy> I like that
<DouweM> yeah, it's a terrible question
<noob101> I guess the interface, the way the website works. I just don't know what to read, too much answers
<DouweM> someone even tagged it switch-statement
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<DouweM> noob101: the main parts are the question, and the top answer. questions and answers can be upvoted, and the highest voted (i.e. "best") answer will be at the top
<noob101> shevy can you make a quick case, when program using pastie please?
<noob101> I think I will get it if I take a look at it.
<shevy> yeah
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<noob101> DouweM: Thanks
<DouweM> shevy: use the gist, we gotta indoctrinate this kid with GitHub
<shevy> pastie is even cooler :P
<shevy> though they made a redesign
<DouweM> meehhh
<shevy> the version _before_ the redesign was best
<DouweM> redesign? hadn't seen that yet
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<shevy> it's always that way... redesigns end up worsening things :(
<noob101> I have a mentor who is teaching me programming and Github stuff. But he is mainly focus on teaching me Git strongly.
<DouweM> I like that Gist is just Git and can be forked etc. you can even pull the gist git repo
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<DouweM> noob101: good mentor
<noob101> We went over git, he kind of explained to me directories, repositories, how to make files, push them into Github server. It's interesting, I love it!
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<noob101> DouweM: Yes, thanks. I like him, we use screenhero.
<shevy> I hate git
<shevy> github is cool though
<crome> you will love rebasing and cherry picking as well!
<crome> I love git <3
<DouweM> shevy: gtfo
<DouweM> noob101: cool
<shevy> DouweM a million commands for things I don't need
<DouweM> `rebase -i` is the shit
<DouweM> shevy: what do you use for scm?
<crome> Imsure he uses cvs
<shevy> DouweM I dont use one
<crome> oh
<crome> :D
<crome> he uses cp ;(
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<shevy> I do of course have so many backups that it's almost like git
<Hytosys> do you just store all of your source on clay tablets??
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<DouweM> shevy: you know that sacreligous here right?
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<shevy> DouweM dunno, for a project like the linux kernel git makes a lot more sense than for my mini gems with one class per gem :D
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<noob101> what does this mean? /hel/
<DouweM> shevy: not if you ever want to compare your code with a previous version
<shevy> noob101 the // is a regex check
<crome> noob101: its a regular expression
<shevy> DouweM why would I need to do that? code that I wrote before will always be more complicated than code I write lateron as I aim for maximum simplicity :D
<noob101> so is it just checking for those sequence of characters? "hel
<noob101> "hel"?
<DouweM> shevy: ah yeah, you want to be paid by reverse kLOC :P
<shevy> noob101 if the variable contains these three characters
<DouweM> *inverse.
<shevy> DouweM well, of course we need code if we are to make features
<InfraRuby> DouweM: how much for hello world?
<shevy> and features are very much needed
<shevy> I just don't like adding code in general :P
<shevy> noob101 yes exactly
<DouweM> shevy: your activity here vs the amount of Ruby you actually do would be an interesting graph as well
<shevy> noob101 but it was just meant as example, try to add a new check to it
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<shevy> DouweM hmm that would be a hard question
<shevy> most of the time I do only small changes
<shevy> the larger projects suck so much time away :(
<noob101> shevy what does 'case i' mean?
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<shevy> noob101 well case is a keyword
<noob101> crome you are so sweet, thank you for googling that for me.
<shevy> and i is the variable
<crome> you are welcome
<DouweM> lol
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<noob101> i is the variable, got it.
<shevy> noob101 of course you can use if and elsif too
<DouweM> I'm annoyed that lmgtfy doesn't advance the cursor
<shevy> but try the case menu and see if you can do the same thing shorter
<noob101> so why does case exist, what is it's significance?
<shevy> DouweM what is your largest project in ruby?
<DouweM> stinngo.com
<shevy> noob101 ok for instance
<crome> noob101: the point I was trying to make is asking very general questions about ruby syntax is not going to take you far, you might as well look up a few articles about ruby basics on google
<shevy> noob101 consider you want to check if your variable is 'cat','dog' or 'horse'
<shevy> noob101 please show me the code you would use for that
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<noob101> only 'cat', 'dog', or 'horse'?
<shevy> yes noob
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<shevy> DouweM ok but I have no idea how your ruby code looks!
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<shevy> I mean
<shevy> it could all be in php
<shevy> :)
<DouweM> shevy: it's a pretty large Rails app :P
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<noob101> I would use else and if statements and I dont know php
<DouweM> noob101: the php comment was about me ;)
<noob101> whoops sorry, my fault. my bad.
<noob101> i need to mind my own business.
<DouweM> shevy: I've got a couple of gems though, like https://github.com/DouweM/shoutout and https://github.com/DouweM/pebblewatch
* noob101 slaps himself
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<DouweM> watch out guys, we've got a masochist over here
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<shevy> noob101 yeah but can you show the example with if and else
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<shevy> it should not be too difficult
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<noob101> shevy sure I will try
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<noob101> var = 'cat'
<noob101> if var ==
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<noob101> if var == 'cat'*
<noob101> puts "var is cat"
<crome> For font license information, see the CSS file loaded by this JavaScript.
<noob101> elsif var == "dog"
<crome> lol, I like this comment
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<noob101> puts "var is dog"
<noob101> elsif var == "horse"
<noob101> puts "var is horse"
<DouweM> noob101: new lesson: don't ever waste lines here with a block of code. use pastie/gist for that
<noob101> end
<noob101> tada
<noob101> Oh ok, sorry
<DouweM> noob101: that's another capital offense in #ruby :)
<noob101> did I do a good job shevy, I used if statements
<DouweM> in all channels, actually
<noob101> uh oh :( DouweM
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<DouweM> noob101: what if there was a way to remove the "var == " repitition?
<DouweM> noob101: that would clean up the code a bit right? especially if the var name is longer than `var`
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<noob101> DouweM: that would be nice
<shevy> noob101 ok that is one way
<shevy> you see you used many lines
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<shevy> here is the case when solution
<shevy> case var
<shevy> when 'horse','dog','cat'
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<shevy> puts 'Yup, this is an animal.'
<shevy> end
<noob101> yea I used a lot of lines, it's annoying.
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<DouweM> shevy: great example, now show him with different messages :P
<shevy> noob101 it however becomes really useful if you need to check for regexes
<shevy> hey
<shevy> DouweM coming up with examples is difficult!
<noob101> whoa shevy, you just did it easy and quick. I have a question
<noob101> what if var isn't "horse", "cat" or "dog"? What do you put now
<DouweM> the example was good, but with different when-statements for horse/dog/cat it'd show the power more
<shevy> if you need more checks, you can add more lines starting with "when" noob101
<crome> make love not var
<shevy> noob101, then you also use "else", just like in if/elsif
<shevy> lol crome
<shevy> crome reminds me of a guy sitting in a pub, being drunk all the time, doing something hilarious every now and then and then being silent again
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<noob101> I can use else in case?
<crome> shevy: its such a badass description of me
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<DouweM> noob101: check out my example
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<shevy> noob101 yes
<noob101> loooooooooool
<noob101> hose?
<DouweM> hehe
<shevy> noob101 after the last 'when', simply add a line starting with 'else'
<noob101> line 8 `when hose`
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<shevy> hehe
<noob101> shevy right thanks I understand more now
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<shevy> DouweM also has a hard time coming up with examples
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<noob101> At the moment I was doing the ruby koans
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<DouweM> noob101: oh nice
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<DouweM> noob101: I never did them but I've heard good things
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<noob101> ha yeah, I downloaded the koans and I am doing it in my sublime text editor
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<crome> shit, you fixed the horse typo. I wanted to send a PR
<DouweM> hehe
<noob101> PR = ?
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<DouweM> pull request
<DouweM> when you fork someones repository, make changes, and then ask for them to pull those changes back in
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<DouweM> shevy: they should make you an op, you're always here
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<IceDragon> wtf happened here
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<crome> DouweM: such a nice way of saying that someone doesnt have a life!
<shevy> lol
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<IceDragon> someone quick
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<IceDragon> shevy: SAVE US
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<shevy> what shall I do
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<shevy> fredder die
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<IceDragon> I DUNNO, GET THE FLAME THROWER!!!
<DouweM> crome: well, I'm the #5 most active user so what does that say about me
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<crome> DouweM: fair enough
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<DouweM> this is the weirdest bot I've ever seen here
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<IceDragon> doge: can I haz coins?
<fredder> fredder, reeder! Fredder reeder roadie!
<noob101> What is a repository again, dumb question right. I forgot sorry.
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<benzrf> im allegedly the 3rd most active by chars
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<DouweM> noob101: it's a git term, look it up
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<benzrf> #2 by lines
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<DouweM> benzrf: who was #2 by chars?
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<IceDragon> noob101: place to store your code?
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<benzrf> DouweM: i think it was somebody starting w/ an 'a'
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<InfraRuby> lol
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<benzrf> maybe not
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* zacts ignores fredder
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<benzrf> check the logs
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<shevy> lol
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<DouweM> hehe, apeiros perhaps?
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<benzrf> i was thinking Apocalypse
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<benzrf> *apeiros
<crome> yeah, ignore does wonders
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<benzrf> but it seems wrong in my memory
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<DouweM> crome: ooh, nice one
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<benzrf> noob101: a repository is a directory that has a .git dir
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<shevy> god damn it
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<ponga> hi, morning
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<noob101> omg spammer omg this is bad :(
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<ponga> lol let's ignore
<DouweM> noob101: /ignore fredder
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<DouweM> noob101: run that
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<IceDragon> SOMEONE SUMMON YOUR ADMIN POWERS AND KICK THIS CRAZY MACHINE # << all caps to draw attention
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<DouweM> I keep forgetting who here have kicking/banning powers
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<Rydekull> !ops
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<ponga> IceDragon: shouldn't you rather change your font color aswell, not sure if irc supports it tho
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<crome> and add blink
<crome> or marquee
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<DouweM> (I keep, forgetting, we're not in love anymoooore)
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<IceDragon> ponga: I should, but meh
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<noob101> someone report him please the spam is critical
<shevy> freenode staff is sleeping
<popl> what
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<ponga> and btw I'm on ma half way thru ruby learn on codecademy
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<ponga> yay
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<popl> apeiros:
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<ponga> such beautiful language
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<wethu> hi.. whats going on here?
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<kerin> wethu: spam
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<shevy> wethu spam attack
<DouweM> the apocalypse
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<wethu> ah :(
<kerin> just /ignore it
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<wethu> yep
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<crome> Im wondering if it constitutes as spam
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<popl> fucking hell
<kerin> ok, probably flooding
<crome> it does not really say anything
<kerin> if we want to be really technical
<wethu> awesome, cheers
<noob101> this is not nice fredder, where are your parents? You need discipline.
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<xunil> why can't he be kicked?
<fredder> @ S W e
<xunil> no autokicking bot?
<crome> xunil: he can be
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<shevy> xunil we have no ops here
<DouweM> xunil: nope
<popl> because there are hardly any ops in #ruby
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<crome> there is just noone to do it
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<shevy> apeiros, can you ban fredder for life?
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<noob101> spam attack shesh.
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<shevy> also his children
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<popl> the founder of the channel fucked off awhile ago
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<DouweM> popl: who founded it anyway?
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<noob101> how do you ignore someone in irc chat lobby?
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<Speed> just report it in #freenode
<popl> DouweM: type /msg chanserv access #ruby list
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<Speed> they take care of that stuff
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flagrama_l has left #ruby [#ruby]
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<crome> noob101: /ignore fredder
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<shevy> Speed I reported! we are there
<IceDragon> all in favour of shevy as new channel own, raise your ruby hand
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<popl> DouweM: founder is +F
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<noob101> crome I did it doesn't work
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<DouweM> popl: ah, interesting. didn't know that feature
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<shevy> the spam made me blind
<popl> /msg chanserv help
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<shevy> it's sad
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<crome> noob101: what irc client do you use?
<noob101> /ignore fredder
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<noob101> /ignore fredder
<fredder> h q g o 3 T n < e / j Y d = a i ^ I < o u C * [ O ( + h ) m o = " H } > 0 Q E c q < u [ : n [ A
yfeldblum has joined #ruby
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<wethu> finally got that ignore to work, /ignore fredder ALL i had to do
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fredder is now known as reeder
<reeder> P z f # { d
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<popl> fucking shit
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<reeder> K L ~ t 0 ^ f @ . T t - : n C ` j T % i v F } + ^ P J ^ x \ ? | - b / b [ - k E % u # \ Q e X /
<Rydekull> crome: /ctcp noob101 VERSION
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<DouweM> noob101: messages starting with / shouldn't be send as text but rather executed as a command. not sure what you're doing
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<noob101> another spammer great
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<crome> Rydekull: good point
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<popl> they're getting attention
<reeder> # B N
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<popl> so naturally…
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reeder is now known as fredder
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<kerin> do /ignore *!*@210.61.240.159
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<kerin> that way if he renames it won't evade your ignore
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<IceDragon> ...
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<wethu> thanks kerin i was trying to work that command out
<fredder> o 1 = m
<IceDragon> whew
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<benzrf> thank u kerin
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<noob101> this is scary, where is the staff to ban this fool.
<popl> and my irclogs are filling up with crap
<IceDragon> /ignore fredder ALL
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<IceDragon> :D
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<IceDragon> WIN
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<noob101> \ignore fredder
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<fredder> ] i @ L / m L < $ k n X S P [ | $ K ] 0 ( : 7 B & d K [ ( W L J ! { * r U > 6 _ ] S _ Y T n g
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<noob101> lol nope
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<DouweM> noob101: there's very little staff
<noob101> I tried the other slash though.
<popl> 114MB of irc logs and I bet a good portion of it is crap like that. :)
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<fredder> W u l d N y h ) [ ~ ] ^ c { m ( F , v 0 { c : z 2 z R $ ) Z c = ^ w H M p & D C n & _ c ` #
<noob101> aw that's sad
<kerin> np guys
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<DouweM> noob101: / should work. not sure why it's not being interpreted as command
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<fredder> c ; = ' d Z S V : } % ~ U v m v Y N E y C [ P ; v [ - ) J O n p F n I z U & H = d _ x b * + V . "
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<fredder> | ( = k
<fredder> Q ` * : K ? q ! d = ! W l " 4 M d L ) " ) o ? - n ] z 4 j z + ) A 4 o ! S J B O & & " Z c b + A G
<fredder> 3 @ = 4
<noob101> oh maybe cause I am not signed in
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<noob101> is that why>
<fredder> g } ~ v M = R " K L F : g s a ~ b < & + 5 k w H \ $ O # u ^ B @ j l e @ A Y X [ 6 H / R _ s > X h
<shevy> <Rydekull> shevy: one of the people with the most access in the list can claim ownership if they talk with staff
<shevy> <Rydekull> shevy: if the owner is gone
<fredder> + \ \ `
<fredder> b & m } k Z x = l ' ^ < ( 6 & n 5 E W = ] x y Q % - - S T S ` o ! d A N * / B a h d _ H ) N # N 2
<fredder> h * U z
<shevy> if apeiros wakes up
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<shevy> we need to transfer ownership to apeiros
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<noob101> I think I had the wrong password but I still was able to come here
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<IceDragon> I'd just parse the irc logs and remove all the fredder entries...
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<noob101> lol what a spammer.
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<shevy> fredder can you join #freenode please
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<noob101> LOL
<shevy> ack
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<IceDragon> shevy... that might just work
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<noob101> Finally.
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<noob101> What
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<Rydekull> sepp2k: welcome :-)
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<shevy> he rejoined!
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<noob101> wooow wut
<IceDragon> sepp2k: use ban pls
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<wethu> +b would be handy
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<benzrf> sepp2k: thank u
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<popl> yeah, fuck this. I'll be back later.
<benzrf> we luv u sepp2k
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<shevy> ban his whole ancestry please
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<Rydekull> shevy: reeder aswell, if you look back
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<wethu> ban the entire ISP lol
<benzrf> i say we get a bot
<IceDragon> also kill it with fire
<DouweM> sepp2k: our savior!
<shevy> Rydekull, I cant see anything in this spam
<shevy> FINALLY
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<noob101> STOP FREDDER!
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<IceDragon> all hail sepp2k
<benzrf> the fuck does 'Ruggity digger' mean
<noob101> yeeey he stops
<Rydekull> sepp2k: [~radder@210.61.240.159]
<Rydekull> sepp2k: both of them used that ident@host
<noob101> wow
<shevy> well that is so much better now
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<kerin> OK, so legitimate question time: I need to let people add their website to my app. They can also add an excerpt. Now, eventually I want the site to pull an automatic excerpt semi-intelligently, the way Facebook does it... is that a solved problem in Ruby or am I going to roll my own here? :)
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<wethu> So in ruby, I've noticed some classes with << after the class? like class << foo or something, what in the world does that do ?
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<kerin> sepp you probably need to /ban *!*@210.61.240.*
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<IceDragon> do wat!?
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<shevy> IceDragon you are a dragon!
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<RubyPanther> protip: /ignore *@210.61.240.159 ALL
<IceDragon> true
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<IceDragon> But I'm powerless at the moment
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<IceDragon> some wizard stole my scales
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<RubyPanther> reminds me of perl.rb
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* kerin cackles in a wizardly fashion
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<IceDragon> wethu: Its to access the singleton instance of the class
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<IceDragon> class << ClassName
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<Rydekull> sepp2k: /ban *!*@210.61.240.159
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<noob101> wow hes back
<noob101> why
<wethu> IceDragon, so everything inside the foo class has access to the instance of the singleton object?
<noob101> shevy, I used case, I like it a lot.
<Nilium> I sort of question why people bother doing that.
<DouweM> sepp2k is awfully quiet
<Nilium> Did someone at some point feel wronged by #ruby?
<noob101> By the way, what is case? Is it a function or a statement?
<DouweM> noob101: it's part of the language
<wethu> Nilium, can't imagine why, ruby makes my job fun
<noob101> So what should I say if I am referring to it.
<Nilium> case is an expression.
<IceDragon> ^^
<DouweM> noob101: not a method in that sense that you could define it yourself
<noob101> I used the case method?
<noob101> I used the case expression?
<DouweM> noob101: the case/when statement
<DouweM> 'case' itself isn't an expression
<noob101> I used the case statement, cool.
<wethu> crome, thanks ! i had issues with googling <<
<Nilium> You used a case expression.
<DouweM> the return value of `case...end` is an expression
<noob101> oh ok
<benzrf> guise
<benzrf> we need a bot
<Nilium> Far as I'm concerned, that makes it an expression >_>
<RubyPanther> case is a statement, but in Ruby all statements should also be valid expressions
<IceDragon> <benzrf> we need a bot
<IceDragon> Is that a threat!?
<benzrf> i will write a bot
<DouweM> Nilium: right, but initially he asked what `case` itself was
<Nilium> Statement also works.
<benzrf> and people can vote to ban people o=
<DouweM> Nilium: I won't argue with calling the whole thing an expression
<IceDragon> O=
<IceDragon> Brilliant
<DouweM> benzrf: weighted by number of chars here? :D
<benzrf> >inb4 im b&
<benzrf> DouweM: clearly
<DouweM> shevy for president
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<benzrf> shevy for locked in the dungeon
<wethu> crome, Oh i get it thats kinda cool
<DouweM> benzrf for dictator?
<benzrf> swag
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<ponga> can i ask very simple thing about rails here or should i go #rubyonrails
<IceDragon> <DouweM> shevy for president
<IceDragon> All in favour say I
<IceDragon> I
<DouweM> Aye
<IceDragon> close enough
<IceDragon> ponga: depends?
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<DouweM> ponga: there's certainly people with rails experience here
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<benzrf> shevy for locked in the dungeon all in favor say aye
<straw_man> aye
<benzrf> aye
<benzrf> tied vote
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<DouweM> aye
<ponga> question is that I'm learning ruby atm and defntly gonna try rails, but my noob concern is that if i needed to know more than html/css/javascript/dom/ruby to use rails
<DouweM> presidents can be locked in dungeons too
<ponga> what languages do i need to kno
<ponga> please, good sirs
* noob101 feels good
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<DouweM> ponga: for rails itself, ruby is fine. for a usuable website, you'll need *basic* html/css
<ponga> so, ruby and basic html/css
<ponga> thanks!
<crome> wethu: I personally find it quite confusing and usually there are more expressive ways of doing the same thing, it is a very "ruby" feature
<IceDragon> ponga: Learn "ruby", then you might need to brush up on your JS
<noob101> hyper text markup language and cascading style sheets
<DouweM> noob101: yessir
<noob101> ooo I know something YES YES YES!
<wethu> crome, Yeah, I'm going to stay away from that, seems like it would be a mess unless it was way up there.. just was curious
<ponga> IceDragon: sorry i couldnt understand 'brush up' part, it isnt my mother tongue :(
<ponga> you mean improve?
<noob101> i used to be deep into XHTML and HTML but I gave that up for programming.
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<crome> you dont really program in html
<noob101> I still know a lot of information though such as HTML is made up of tags
<wethu> crome, I think ill just stick with composition to add new behaviours to my objects for now, but the idea is pretty cool, just pop in a method straight into the object itself
<noob101> crome I know that.
<DouweM> noob101: good for you. html by itself doesn't get you very far
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<IceDragon> ponga: Well it means: If you haven't learnt it before, you should start learning it, if you already know a bit of it, you need to improve it
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<ponga> OK
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<IceDragon> ponga: It doesn't hurt to learn extra languages on the side though: like learning a bit of C, and probably some Java (chokes self)
<ponga> good, i know java
<wethu> well without C none of this is possible lol
<ponga> was my first language i learned
<ponga> and a bit of C too
<IceDragon> I'm about to shoot myself in the foot my learning perl for no known reason
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<crome> wethu: I think the vast majority of uses are class << self
<crome> IceDragon: learning a language is never wasted time
<crome> even if you dont use it
<IceDragon> I know, but perl :O
<crome> even perl
<IceDragon> if you say so
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<wethu> ##!%perl!~-= is#@@great
<ponga> IceDragon, i know all these questions sound dumb to exprienced people but.. if i were to create a website from rails, a working one. should i better start study php,sql and things like server-side languages too?
<ponga> alongside ruby
<IceDragon> why php?
<benzrf> ponga: ruby IS a server side language
<benzrf> php is the worst
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<IceDragon> :O SQL I can understand
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<benzrf> ponga: you use ruby INSTEAD of php, not with it
<Darkhunter> Hi guys...
<wethu> perl is like if you wanted every line to look similar to a regex
<DouweM> And you don't really need to learn SQL either if you start using ActiveRecord
<DouweM> It would be useful though
<benzrf> bad DouweM
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<benzrf> badhatter:
<benzrf> *bad
<IceDragon> ponga: Rails simplifies most of the stuff for you already, so you don't really need to learn SQL for it
<DouweM> benzrf: I love SQL
<crome> wethu: bullshit, perl can be written in totally friendly syntax, you dont *have to* use al the crazy shorthands for everything
<benzrf> ponga: the reason for doing so is that php is an abomination on par with
<benzrf> uh
<Darkhunter> Can somebody help me ? I dont know anything about ruby, but I am installing redmine and I got this error: http://projectx.maelv.cz/ Can seombody help me ?
<benzrf> 1 second let me think of abominations
<DouweM> benzrf: he doesn't "need" it right now though
<benzrf> kk
<wethu> crome, oh but you do
<IceDragon> benzrf: COBOL
<DouweM> No more mention of PHP in here
<benzrf> IceDragon: php is worse
<crome> ruby can be written in an equally obfuscated way
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<benzrf> cobol is like java²
<IceDragon> dayum
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<benzrf> php is on a level of its own
<wethu> if you force it
<IceDragon> D8< You can't square Java, it will kill you!
<benzrf> IceDragon: why do u think there are so few COBOL programmers still alive
<IceDragon> D8<
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<benzrf> php is not just inexpressive and beaurucratic, it is aggressively awful
<IceDragon> exactly!
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<benzrf> bbiab
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<crome> php is a kinda unique story
<Darkhunter> Please? I am screwed...I was searching on google for about two hours and I cant figure out, what to do...Please help me somebody...
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: we can't help, if we don't know whats wrong you know
<IceDragon> Whats up
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Error there: http://projectx.maelv.cz/
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: I dont know anything about ruby, but I need to install redmine for my project :/
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: do you have access to the server?
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Ofcourse...Its my home webserver
<IceDragon> try bundle --version on the command line
<IceDragon> You may need to install bundler
<ponga> looks like i was disconnected
<ponga> somehow
<IceDragon> wb
<wethu> ponga, Internet.
<crome> the real wtf there is using passenger :/
<ponga> ir ruby IS serverside lang then ok for me, i do know a bit of SQL too
<ponga> wethu: yes internet.
<ponga> :P
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<IceDragon> ponga: ruby is a general purpose language
<noob101> :D
<IceDragon> it even works for download cats and keep them organized
<ponga> lol
* IceDragon does that
<crome> IceDragon: do you have a cat picture organizer gem?
<crome> I want it
<IceDragon> NO MINE!
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: I have to install bundler everytime I log in... :/
* IceDragon won't share
<ponga> I keep findind this weird amount of cat love from programmers wherever i go.. is this global?
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: odd
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<crome> ponga: pretty much
<wethu> no, I'm programmer, i hate cats.
<wethu> i love dogs tho
<IceDragon> ponga: Cats are, cats?
<Darkhunter> bundle --version
<Darkhunter> Bundler version 1.6.1
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: are you using some ruby version control, like rvm or such?
<Darkhunter> IceDragon:Nope
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<IceDragon> What version of ruby are you running?
<IceDragon> wait, dumb question
<IceDragon> 2.1.1 probably
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: yea, 2.1.1
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Btw I am using this guide to make it work: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Redmine
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<crome> oh, you are using arch :D
<IceDragon> oh look, Arch :O
<IceDragon> crome: do you?
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<Darkhunter> yea, is it bad ?
<crome> god no ;(
<crome> I used it briefly
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<Darkhunter> I am having arch on my lappy, so I decided to use it on my server too
<crome> pacman is just
<crome> no
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<crome> it took my psychiatrist years to make me forget
<IceDragon> <Darkhunter> I am having arch on my lappy, so I decided to use it on my server too
<IceDragon> There is your problem!
<IceDragon> Arch doesn't do well for servers
<Senjai> IceDragon: Why
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: I know, but I had so many issues with debian...So I swapped it with Arch and everything works well but this ruby. :D
<crome> IceDragon: somehow I dont think arch is worse for servers than for anything else
<IceDragon> It gets quite dated quickly, if your not careful, you'd end up upgrading your packages and possibly breaking the system as well
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: I know, I wont be upgrading and if I will, I will do it carefully....
<IceDragon> Arch is good, but if you want your system stable, be conservative when updating
<crome> not upgrading a server
<crome> what could possibly go wrong
<shevy> crome NSA could get a backdoor in!
<crome> I mean, what works for Sony, right?
<shevy> japanese
<shevy> they work for sony
<IceDragon> crome: I updated my system, made a tiny mistake and bricked my kernel
<Darkhunter> okay, but can u please help me with that ?
<shevy> noob101 god man, what is this U RL
<noob101> Sorry
<shevy> 6 lines here :P
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<IceDragon> Oh right, back on topic
<Darkhunter> I think, that my problem is, that I have to set PATH="`ruby -e 'puts Gem.user_dir'`/bin:$PATH" everytime.
<noob101> wait no I don't get splat operator
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: first up, we need to find out why in heavens name you need to keep reinstalling bundler
<crome> IceDragon: a bricket kernel does not possibly leak your private key
<Darkhunter> If I dont do it, it doesnt recognise bundler
<IceDragon> crome: BRING ON THE HEARTBLEED BROTHA
<crome> totally
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay, I dont have to reinstall it, I just have to set PATH="`ruby -e 'puts Gem.user_dir'`/bin:$PATH" everytime, or it doesnt find bundler.
<IceDragon> :O
<IceDragon> You don't have the gem bin in your path?
<DouweM> night folks
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: check your .bashrc, and /etc/bash.bashrc
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: did you install ruby via pacman by the way?
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<IceDragon> You could pop over to #archlinux for some more help
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Yes, I did and now added PATH="`ruby -e 'puts Gem.user_dir'`/bin:$PATH" to bash.bashrc
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Yea, but I think this is better on this channel
<Senjai> IceDragon: Anything you can install on ubuntu can be installed on arch
<Senjai> IceDragon: So its just as viable as a server
<IceDragon> Senjai: Actually, everything and more you can install on ubuntu can be installed on Arch
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<IceDragon> Senjai: I'm not saying Arch is bad as a server, I'm saying its higher maintenance as a server
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<manacit> has anyone seen this with rails 4.1 and bootstrap? Asset depends on 'fontawesome-webfont.eot' to generate properly but has not declared the dependency
<Senjai> IceDragon: Servers rarely ever get updated.
<IceDragon> Senjai: true, true
<Senjai> There needs to be a reason for it. And even then, you do it with scripts that affect all your servers
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<IceDragon> ansible, puppet or chef
<IceDragon> name your pick.
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<InfraRuby> IceDragon: none of the above
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: so does it work correctly now?
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<Senjai> Or a shell script..
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<IceDragon> Senjai: shell scripts are the best, least that can go wrong with them is you made a syntax error
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Yes, it works well when I login..I forgot about the bash.bashrc thing...But error is still appearing
<IceDragon> and the most is the server just hates you
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: You'll need to restart the session for the changes to take effect
<IceDragon> or relaunch from a fresh terminal
<Senjai> bi
<Senjai> ,,
<Senjai> no*
<Senjai> Darkhunter: source ~/.bashrc
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<Senjai> if you're using bash
<Darkhunter> Okay, whats next ?
<Senjai> and thats where you put the path
<IceDragon> I keep forgetting about source...
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<Senjai> IceDragon: And you use arch?
<IceDragon> Yup, but I rarely need to change my config files
<Senjai> ..
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<IceDragon> yep...
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<IceDragon> awkward silence
<Senjai> source is used like an include.
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<Senjai> you use source in your shell scripts
<Senjai> you use it everywhere
<IceDragon> Right
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<Darkhunter> Okay
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<Darkhunter> I have an idea... when I have to set the path for me, I think user, which is owner of apache profile must have set the path just like my user?
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<Darkhunter> Guys, are u there ?
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: sorta, gist/pastie your bashrc
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<IceDragon> lemme compare mine
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<IceDragon> Wait a minute, am I crazy!?
<Darkhunter> ? Whats up ?
<IceDragon> This had nothing to do with the PATH, if bundle --version worked!
<Darkhunter> Yea, I was wondering. :D
* IceDragon facedesks
<Darkhunter> But when u wanted it, I gave it to you :D
<IceDragon> Next time, point that out please
<IceDragon> My head isn't screw on so late in the day
<IceDragon> orz
<Darkhunter> Okay
<IceDragon> does ruby -e "require 'bundler/setup'" work?
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<Darkhunter> Awww, my server has fallen...
<Darkhunter> Or not...It was just some kind of lagg
<IceDragon> From what I see, the only gem it ever loaded was passenger..
<Darkhunter> And again...
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<IceDragon> did the require fail, or your server fell?
<Darkhunter> my server fell
<Darkhunter> some internet connection instability...
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<Darkhunter> when I execute this command, nothing happens, but no error appeared
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: thats a great sign, that means your ruby CAN require bundler, the problem either lies within passenger or how ruby was executed
<IceDragon> oh hi Hanmac
<Darkhunter> Okay, so where can I find some passenger configs ?
<zorak> can someone explainme this regexp??
<zorak> def test_caret_anchors_to_the_start_of_lines
<zorak> assert_equal 2, "num 42\n2 lines"[/^\d+/]
<zorak> end
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<zorak> i know is 2 cause i see the answere in the error, but dont know why
<shevy> why do you write so many assertions
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: I'm not sure, I've never used it, a gem update may never hurt though to fix it though?
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<shevy> zorak what means this: /^/
<shevy> zorak second question, what is \d+
<shevy> if you dont know, look at rubular
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<zorak> \d+ is digits
<shevy> good
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<shevy> now what is /^/
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<shevy> solution is also on rubular.com
<zorak> ^ this is something like "not this"
<zorak> dont know the true name
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<zorak> \^d+ = no digits
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay, updated it.
* IceDragon does a drum roll
<zorak> what is a caret??
<IceDragon> Does it break?
<zorak> this is a caret = ?
<zorak> ^
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Nope, just found one error : /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/rdoc-4.1.1/lib/rdoc/class_module.rb:173:in `aref_prefix': missing aref_prefix for RDoc::SingleClass (NotImplementedError)
<shevy> zorak did you look at rubular.com
<zorak> im in
<shevy> do you see the ^ character
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: might want to disable rdoc and then update it and retry
<zorak> start a line
<ponga> omg you can do default boolean parameter? , def method(par=false)
<ponga> i love learning ruby
<Darkhunter> IceDragon:But it passed this error.
<IceDragon> awesome?
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay, how to disable that rdoc?
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<IceDragon> sec
<IceDragon> gem: --no-rdoc --no-ri
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<zorak> shevy: mmm, so /^\d means start a line with a digit
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Invalid option
<zorak> thanka!
<shevy> yes zorak
<IceDragon> seriously...
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: gem update --no-rdoc --no-ri
<Darkhunter> IceDragon:Ok
<IceDragon> I copied thet gem: --no-rdoc from my gemrc...
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: okay updated
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: did you install the redmine package, or did you just makepkg and called it a day?
<IceDragon> /root/redmine/pkg/redmine/usr/share/webapps/redmine # << because that looks like its extracted, makepkg-ed and then executed from the package path
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: I had to disable stripping
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> dont strip man
<IceDragon> xD
<IceDragon> not now shevy,
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: anyway, makepkg -i in the /root/redmine
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<Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello! I could make a script to download Yahoo Japan's forum posts automatically with my original library. (I haven't added the documentation...)
<IceDragon> and install the package
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Yea I didnt install it...
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Installed now
<IceDragon> ~Sick, now lets try redmine again~
<Darkhunter> But that shouldnt be the problem, it only copies it to another destination
<IceDragon> If its one thing I've learnt from linux, its location is everything...
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay, okay...Gimme a sec, I will configure it
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<IceDragon> kk, when you're done, try restarting your server (don't shoot me!)
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay I will try, but I hope dhcp wont change my IP... :D couldnt set it in arch...netctl is broken... :/
<ponga> http://cl.ly/image/1v2W0m3e210k codecademy issue. I think i've don as instructed but... anyone to help a noob?
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: o_e; cross your fingers
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<IceDragon> ponga: does it require the function?
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<IceDragon> ponga: also you can just do: if rev
<IceDragon> without == true
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<Darkhunter> Okay, its done...IP changed...
<IceDragon> ...
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<IceDragon> damn
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<noob101> what is the purpose of return?
<Darkhunter> Okay, np, thx for your time, cya
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<BraddPitt> noob101, to "return" a value from a method call
<BraddPitt> ie, i can call add_nums(1, 1) and ideally it would return to me 2
<noob101> so return only effectively works when it's used in a method call BraddPitt?
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<IceDragon> "Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers."
<Darkhunter> Lol, it had to be lagg only :D I got to my server :D
<InfraRuby> BraddPitt: ideally you'd use + :-p
<BraddPitt> afaik, returns can /only/ be in a method noob101
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: You better look out, I carry a screwdriver
<InfraRuby> I run with screwdrivers
<BraddPitt> but they can be used in different ways. A return statement always terminates the running of that function. So usually they are at the very end of the method, but sometimes you want to terminate early
<noob101> BraddPitt: I don't get the value thing, for example:
<noob101> if I make a method
<BraddPitt> an example would be if you are searching for a value in a list of objects, you may want to return from your search method when you find it instead of continuing through the list
<noob101> def hello
<BraddPitt> srue
<BraddPitt> sure*
<InfraRuby> can a method terminate sarah connor?
<noob101> puts "Hello World"
<noob101> end
<BraddPitt> right, so not all methods return a value
<BraddPitt> those are called side effect methods i believe
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: But apache doesnt start now Cannot load /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/passenger-4.0.41/buildout/apache2/mod_passenger.so into server: /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/passenger-4.0.41/buildout/apache2/mod_passenger.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<BraddPitt> (someone can correct me if im wrong)
<noob101> How would I need to use the return statement to get a value
<BraddPitt> and you're right, a good example is puts-ing something or writing to a file. You don't return a value there, you jsut let the method do its thing
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: You have got to be crapping me
<noob101> Ohh ok.
<IceDragon> Is passenger broken or something... -,-
<noob101> So return is effective when using return for like arithmetic and such?
<BraddPitt> exactly
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: uninstall passenger and then reinstall it ~fresh~
<noob101> Can you tell me an easy example of code while using return
<BraddPitt> sure 1 sec, ill write ont
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<noob101> would it be like def add(add 1, add2)
<noob101> add1+add2
<noob101> return
<noob101> end
<BraddPitt> close
<noob101> something like that? idk I am a noob so
<BraddPitt> here
<noob101> thanks!
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: Oh, don't forget to install apache via pacman, that might be the reason it wasn't built/exists
<BraddPitt> ruby has implicit return, so whatever the last line in your method is, that is the returned value
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: pacman -S apache
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<BraddPitt> if you want to return early, you can write `return result` or whatever the value you want to return is valled
<BraddPitt> called*
<noob101> So you use return to have a value reuturn'ed or output to the screen earlier so you can see it?
<noob101> return*
<Darkhunter> IceDraog : Got it through pacman...Reinstalled passenger, but when installing passenger module: httpd: Syntax error on line 177 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/passenger-4.0.41/buildout/apache2/mod_passenger.so into server: /root/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/passenger-4.0.41/buildout/apache2/mod_passenger.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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<IceDragon> Darkhunter: goto the directory personally and look for the .so
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: There is no buildout folder...
<BraddPitt> noob101 for output to the terminal, we use puts. A return is simply so you can call a function, give it some parameters, and get back a value
<IceDragon> O_O looks like we have a huge problem there
<IceDragon> lemme try installing it...
<BraddPitt> a good example is mathematical methods that do some arithmetic, we obviously want the final value back from these methods otherwise they would be useless
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<noob101> BraddPitt: what is a function?
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<Darkhunter> IceDragon: U want access to my server ?
<IceDragon> Darkhunter: Sure, I'll give it a shot
<IceDragon> I hope you have cat pics though
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<BraddPitt> sorry noob101, method*
<BraddPitt> function/method are interchangeable (for the most part)
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<Jager`> why did twitter switch from ruby to java?
<BraddPitt> Jager`, scale and robustness
<BraddPitt> Rails wasn't enough for their load
<Darkhunter> IceDragon: Okay is there some kind of PM, bcs I dont want to everybody know how to access my server...
<BraddPitt> at least, that's what i've read
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<Jager`> not sure if I should learn ruby if it's even slower than Java. I though java was one of the slowest languages.
<Jager`> java is bloated and slow. But still faster than ruby?
<Nowaker> Jager`: java is almost as fast as native code in most circumstances. go and learn a bit.
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<noob101> BraddPitt: if mathematical methods do arithmetic and ruby has this thing that returns the last line, why do you still need return again?
<ponga> can anyone help codecademy issue please, i'm stuckhttp://cl.ly/image/1v2W0m3e210k
<Nowaker> secondly, if you choose a language just by how fast it is, then go code assembler
<Jager`> no, java slow. Famouse programmer said optimizing java was like trying to fly a plane while not being insdie it.
<Nowaker> or c
<Jager`> c too bloated too.
<shevy> lol
<ponga> java slow?
<Nowaker> bla bla just compare how fast mandelbrots in java are
<ponga> umm...
<Jager`> c not bada s java, but pretty big and bloated
<Jager`> java worst. but ruby even worser.
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<BraddPitt> noob101 Ruby does an implicit return, so no matter what a method will return the value of whatever is on the last line
<ponga> what's this guy want to imply anyway
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<Nowaker> stupid or trolling. not sure ;)
<ponga> can anyone help a poor noob who's stuck in codecademy :(
<Jager`> I just need to no why i can learn ruby.
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<BraddPitt> for jobs at hip startups that pay you assloads of cash, Jager`
<BraddPitt> why else
<BraddPitt> ( ≖‿≖)
<ponga> as it might insulting but he needs to improve English first , then learn ruby a thing or two
<ponga> never seen a guy using 'worser'
<BraddPitt> maybe English isn't his first language ┐(‘~`;)┌
<InfraRuby> ruby is my first language
<ponga> so is ruby :P
<noob101> BraddPitt, exactly so why do you need the return statement if ruby does an implicit return on the last line, it happens anyway?
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<ponga> InfraRuby dear sir can you help out this poor noob who's stuck in a way on Codecademy tutorial
<BraddPitt> here noob101 let me write an example real quick
<ponga> please :o..
<Robbo_> Hey guys, any guard users here that can answer some questions? Need to choose between it and gulp for something
<InfraRuby> ponga: who? where?
<Robbo_> and obviously want to be using ruby over javascript
<ponga> me
<Jager`> ruby run in internet explorer?
<InfraRuby> ponga: what's the problem?
<Robbo_> or even a good article on guard will do
<shevy> Jager` no
<Nowaker> Jager`: yes, but only on windows millenium
<ponga> InfraRuby: should i give you screenshot of my full browser, or pastebin ?
<Nowaker> it doesnt on windows 7
<ponga> http://cl.ly/image/1v2W0m3e210k <- screenshot
<Nowaker> you need to downgrade
<Jager`> even java run in ie with applet. ruby no do that?
<shevy> Jager` ruby is not java
<shevy> Jager` go join #java
<InfraRuby> ponga: ok
<ponga> http://pastebin.com/BrsYiSyJ pastebin ver
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<Jager`> java even gave child javascript that run in IE. Ruby no do that yet.
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<shevy> Jager` that is not correct. are you just trolling?
<ponga> he is defntly trolling shevy
<shevy> yeah
<Jager`> i want langauge i learn first
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<Robbo_> haha
<shevy> all his statements so far are just incoherent and illogical
<InfraRuby> ponga: you don't need == true
<Nowaker> vbscript is the best first time language
<shevy> or blatantly wrong such as java to javascript
<Jager`> no applet do run in IE with java
<Robbo_> Jager`: try php you can use phpmin to save bandwidth on the client side with IE
<ponga> InfraRuby: even after removal of == true , it gives out same error
<ponga> :(....
<InfraRuby> ponga: btw, "alphabetizing", wtf?
<shevy> Jager` the days of applets were the 1990s to early 2000s at max, now quit trolling and do something useful with your time, like making money
<ponga> InfraRuby: i dunno , codecademy says so ..
<BraddPitt> here noob101 http://pastie.org/9076249
<BraddPitt> let me know if that helps
<ponga> it does alphabetize(sort in order)
<ponga> i think its bug ?..
<centrx> now quit trolling and do something useful with your time, like making money <- shevy's top priority
<shevy> yes
<ponga> my top priority too
<Nowaker> shevy: as long as you dont need to kvm (keyboard, video, mouse) on hp or supermicro servers ;)
<Jager`> i go do applet. ruby no do that. bye
<shevy> Jager` bye
<Nowaker> java is still there unfortunately
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<BraddPitt> ponga that looks fine to me (minus the == true, uneeded). Not sure why they said to call it `alphabetize` though when you're dealign with numbers
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<Nowaker> ircing from emacs...
<ponga> InfraRuby, I strongly believe it is a bug in codecademy, thanks anyway, code looks fine to me too
<centrx> ponga, What is the error message?
<InfraRuby> ponga: is that the array you're supposed to use?
<InfraRuby> not [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]?
<Nowaker> im really curous if he was stupid or troling, shevy
<shevy> trolling
<shevy> the java to javascript line exposed him
<Robbo_> I think he was stupid
<Nowaker> seemed stupid more than trolling imo ;)
<Robbo_> If he was trolling he wasn't a very good troll
<BraddPitt> ponga try with 12345
<BraddPitt> maybe they are just touchy about input vals
<shevy> Robbo_ that's what he wanted you to think!
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<ponga> ok
<shevy> btw BraddPitt you wrote about explicit vs. implicit returns in ruby before
<ponga> i will try 1,2,3,4,5
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<Robbo_> Trolling is to provoke a reaction that would amuse him, he never said anything that would do that unless just really bad troll
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<ponga> nope, same error
<BraddPitt> what shevy ?
<shevy> I think there is one exception though, where the ruby parser will ignore an explicit return and instead returns something else
<ponga> actually codecademy tole me to use whatever array of numbers
<centrx> ponga, That's a poorly explained error message, can you run it on ruby on your system, or paste the actual code?
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<ponga> ah
<ponga> ruby by myself
<shevy> I have had that happen some weeks ago but now I can not find it :(
<InfraRuby> ponga: wtf? are those the only instructions?
<ponga> plz wait
<BraddPitt> shevy pls ( ≖‿≖)
<ponga> InfraRuby: yes :( (crying
<BraddPitt> i'm not fond of codecademy
<centrx> ponga, It could just be a Codeacademy bug
<InfraRuby> codecademy sucks
<Robbo_> So anyone know of a good article on guard? Or a good comparison to gulp? gulp is new still but I can find more information on it
<ponga> and it does seem to be working fine , i mean on the right panel it looks SORTED
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<ponga> yeah, might gonna skip it
<BraddPitt> just skip
<ponga> thanks people
<BraddPitt> also i would recommend you use rubymonk or chris pine's book on ruby
<BraddPitt> eh actually
<ponga> for giving me assurance that i DID code right
<BraddPitt> disregard that
<BraddPitt> just continue with codecademy
<ponga> lol
<ponga> ok
<BraddPitt> don't want to frustrate or discourage a newcomer
<ponga> im very passionate newcomer, will put rubymonk in my back of brain
<centrx> Robbo_, Are they even related?
<shevy> oh yes I found it
<shevy> BraddPitt, in setter= methods
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<ponga> BraddPitt: I learnt java for the firsttime, a bit of JS,C but then found this ruby lang so beautiful
<Robbo_> centrx: they do the same jobs just in different ways
<ponga> never gon give up
<BraddPitt> who still writes setter methods though shevy ( ≖‿≖)
<BraddPitt> im all about the attr_*able
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<BraddPitt> but now im curious
<Robbo_> centrx: I found something that can help me decide I think, the main thing I need is watching and that is what guard is at core so hopfully it does what I want
<BraddPitt> what does a foo=() return?
<BraddPitt> yes ponga ruby just has a lot of "sugar" and convenience methods, im sure you'll become quite fond of it like myself
<ponga> its such a shame that codecademy does not have this "REPORT BUG" button for every course section
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<BraddPitt> send them hate mail
<ponga> BraddPitt: yeah really, i really loved this concept of using all convenience, think all differently
<ponga> which led me do 120 codecademy tutorals in single day
<ponga> yay
<shevy> BraddPitt I am trying to find a good example right now
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<shevy> it's discussed in i.e. https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/88198
<benzrf> BraddPitt: the return value of whatever= is only available thru send
<benzrf> foo.bar = baz will always eval to baz
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<shevy> the first time I noticed it it confused the hell outta me
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<shevy> that explanation is curious:
<shevy> "A property setter is solely there to set the value of a private field, not to have any side effects like returning result codes."
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<zorak> can somebody explain me this?
<zorak> assert_equal "Gray, James", "Name: Gray, James"[/(\w+), (\w+)/]
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<zorak> why is gray and james and not Name and Gray?
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<centrx> >> "Name: Gray, James"[/(\w+), (\w+)/]
<eval-in> centrx => "Gray, James" (https://eval.in/135860)
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<BraddPitt> would it be correct to say a proc turns the contained code into a first class object?
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<centrx> zorak, Why would it?
<zorak> Name is the first word
<zorak> why is skiped?
<centrx> BraddPitt, It is a fair description. I am not sure if it is technically
<centrx> zorak, [] returns what part of the string matches
<BraddPitt> but like, i wouldn't sound stupid saying that in an interview centrx ?
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<centrx> zorak, "Gray, James" is the first part of the string that matchs
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<InfraRuby> BraddPitt: that's fine
<BraddPitt> awesome
<BraddPitt> thanks guy'
<BraddPitt> s
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<ponga> this 'unless' makes headache to me :(
<ponga> 'unless' should be 'ifnot' !
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<RubyPanther> ponga: "should" is rather presumptuous
<ponga> RubyPanther, ah yeah, true
<ponga> should
<RubyPanther> >> if not false ; "true" end
<eval-in> RubyPanther => "true" (https://eval.in/135896)
<RubyPanther> >> unless not false ; :false else :truthy end
<eval-in> RubyPanther => :truthy (https://eval.in/135897)
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<selite> How can I sort an array of arrays while maintaining order?
<selite> Suppo [["dude", 1], ["cat", 1]] will be the same result.
<selite> *Suppose
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<Hanmac1> lets say [["dude", 1], ["cat", 3]] to make it more clear ... what should it return?
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<selite> Hanmac1: The same. I tried p.sort but it shuffles them.
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<selite> Sorted according to second value but in order.
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<Hanmac> selite: did you try [["dude", 1], ["cat", 1]].sort_by(&:last) ?
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<selite> Hanmac: Yeah the order is not maintained.
<Hanmac> selite: ruby version?
<selite> Hanmac: 1.9.3
<selite> Hanmac: Even when switched to keys it still fails.
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<Hanmac> selite: and? do yu have test data or did you try 2.0+ ?
<ponga> is ruby natively pre-installed in OSX 10.9?
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<selite> Hanmac: Hey, I fixed it.
<selite> With this line hx.sort_by do |element| hx.index(element) end
<selite> Hanmac: Thank you.
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<Hanmac> selite: sort_by with #index inside does make 0 sense
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: yea, /usr/bin/ruby --version
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<selite> Hanmac: It seems it works, saw it on SO.
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<Hanmac> selite: yes, but it does not make sense because it totally IGNORES the second value ... because it didnt sort anything
<ponga> etqqkoiflwhb: out of ruby installation methods here https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/installation/ is RVM most recommended for noob? (im on OSX)
<Hanmac> and simlly copien what you see on SO without understanding is stupid
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: yep, definitely!
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<ponga> my terminal says ruby 2.0.0p247 (2013-06-27 revision 41674) [universal.x86_64-darwin13] , it means my ruby ver is 2.0.0p272 ?
<ponga> i though 1.9.3 was most popular...
<Hanmac> ponga: why are you not happy that you have a newer version??¿
<etqqkoiflwhb> yep
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<ponga> Hanmac: i'm just confused that my latest OSX 10.9.2 has really new ver of ruby
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: if you need 1.9.3, install rvm, install 1.9 series
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<ponga> does Apple update your ruby with OSX?
<ponga> nono i'm very fine with new versions
<ponga> just curious how update actually works in the back of stage
<Robbo_> annoying when there are gems taking the very generic name (like guard-tilt) so you expect it to be maintained and up to date but nope
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<selite> Hanmac: Just saw it. It fails on my test case too. : (
<Hanmac> ponga: hm yes it should update the versions with OSX ... but i prefered rvm on OSX because i used ruby-trunk and i needed to test it with different compilers (there are differences between GCC & CLANG)
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<ponga> ok thanks last question, does installing different version with RVM removes current version of ruby that came with OSX?
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: no, it just modifies your $PATH
<ponga> etqqkoiflwhb: Hanmac: thanks a lot
<ponga> splendid
<ponga> i will install RVM then
<ponga> thanks !
<etqqkoiflwhb> to point to your default ruby, there's a ruby use 1.9.3 --default
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<popl> I use rbenv
<popl> rbenv is pretty easy
<Hanmac> ponga: nope, it only sets the priortiy higher ... that means when you use ruby you get your version, if you use /usr/bin/ruby you get the system version
<selite> Why is this so hard to do in Ruby.
<etqqkoiflwhb> popl: haven;t really given it a fair shot, why rbenv over rvm?
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<ponga> ah hah
<ponga> that makes it all clear thanks Hanmac
<ponga> wt..
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: which is why i had to type in /usr/bin/ruby --version, instead of ruby --version
<Hanmac> selite: like i said ... give me your test data and i fix that, or tell me why .sort_by(&:last) does not work, and did you tryed an newer ruby version?
<etqqkoiflwhb> ;coz it points to my default ruby instead of osx ruby
<ponga> Hanmac: does https//rvm.io prevents access from certain country? or ISP?
<ponga> I can't access https://rvm.io :(
<Hanmac> ponga: ... oO not that i know ... moment please
<ponga> or the server is down? ...
<Hanmac> hm yeah looks like server down
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<popl> etqqkoiflwhb: rbenv is lighter than rvm
<ponga> ok then lol its not just me
<selite> Hanmac: Oh example test cases. Ok. And I didn't try the newer one.
<ponga> i will try out later!
<popl> etqqkoiflwhb: also if you're using OS X, there's a homebrew recipe for it already :)
<Robbo_> are you able to have a gem on rubygems.org removed if you make a version that is actually maintained?
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<ponga> lol
<ponga> Hanmac: i've never seen that webpage but it is really awesome
<popl> mine is better Hanmac
<popl> :)
<ponga> i wonder what isup stands for
<popl> is up
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<popl> is up dot me
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: there's a datacenter issue, https://twitter.com/rvm_io
<etqqkoiflwhb> you can clone from github
<ponga> first time ever in my life to install such thing and server is down
<ponga> looks like i bring doom to this world
<popl> ponga: maybe you should just give up for the night and eat a gallon of ice cream instead.
<ponga> metric system please
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<ponga> i don't comprehend 'gallon' sir
<popl> ponga: look it up yourself
<popl> then you're retarded
<ponga> im not american
<popl> :P
<ponga> :P
<popl> oi, if I can look up foreign shit instead of asking people to clarify, the reverse is also true
<ponga> im pulling your leg popl
<ponga> 'course i can somehow convert gallon
<ponga> is it.. 3liters? i hope
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: https://twitter.com/mpapis/status/455219724214087680, installing rvm from github
<etqqkoiflwhb> for now
<ponga> thanks
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<ponga> etqqkoiflwhb: sorry i quite ever used git before, where do i put this command? i tried terminal..
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<Guest23028> do you have git installed?
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<ponga> i have both GitHub and Sourcetree
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<popl> git
<popl> not github
<ponga> um.. then i think not
<ponga> omw to install git
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: do u have git?
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<ponga> i just installed it from git-scm.com
<Robbo_> are you on windows?
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<ponga> nop, mac
<slite_> p = [[3, "b"], [2, "a"]] p.sort_by(&:first) return the same thing. How is this possible?
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: clone it in a directory, i usually do it in ~/builds
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<slite_> lol
<etqqkoiflwhb> cd ~/builds; git clone https://github.com/wayneeseguin/rvm.git
<ponga> yop cloning now
<etqqkoiflwhb> anyone, is there such a method naming convention in ruby, def __result__
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<ponga> yay
<ponga> etqqkoiflwhb: thanks
<ponga> got "Thank you for using RVM!"
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: anything from rvm --version?
<ponga> um..command not found?
<ponga> sorry
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: open a new terminal
<etqqkoiflwhb> it adds a line to ~/.bashrc
<ponga> rvm 1.25.22 (manual) by Wayne E. Seguin
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: rvm --help, i think its rvm install 1.9 to install the 1.9 series
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: the site has plenty of instructions if you you don;t feel like --help, but its down for now
<ponga> o..k i'm browsing..
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: rvm list remote, to list all versions, these should get you bootstrapped, you can get everything else from --help
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<etqqkoiflwhb> rvm list known*
<ponga> um apart from all long list of jruby
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<ponga> i have 2.0.0and 2.1 serieses
<ponga> + list of long jruby from 0.X to 1.7.9
<ponga> so now i need to get 1.9.3 and install it via RVM?
<ponga> omw
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<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: it can install alternative implementations of ruby, JRuby, Rubinius etc :)
<ponga> ah hah
<etqqkoiflwhb> ponga: and there are gemset, in case you want project specific gems
<etqqkoiflwhb> gemsets*
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<zorak> where i can fin the answere of the koans?
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<zorak> i found it, thanks!
<ponga> :)
<ponga> etqqkoiflwhb: thanks for all the help
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<ponga> but im going to rather stay with latest stable ver than installing old one
<ponga> i believe latest stable is good for me
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<selite> [["d",3], ["e",2]].sort_by(&:lost) doesn't work when compiled but when inserted in the ruby interpreted works. How is this possible?
<selite> This is the dumbest thing I've seen.
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<yxhuvud> what do you mean by 'compiled'?
<selite> yxhuvud: ruby programName.rb
<selite> This is weird.
<yxhuvud> lost -> last =
<yxhuvud> ?
<selite> yxhuvud: I know, that's a type.
<selite> yxhuvud: puts [3,2,1].sort yields [3,2,1] when compiled. holy...
<selite> yxhuvud: From the interpreter works.
<selite> yxhuvud: How is this possible.
<selite> *typo
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<crome> it is not compiled
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<crome> Im not even sure what you are about
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<crome> also, what exactly do you mean by "interpreter"?
<crome> irb?
<selite> crome: Fixed it. Never mind.
<selite> crome: How do you sort while maintaining order in ruby?
<crome> umm, what?
<InfraRuby> selite: stable sort?
<ktosiek> sort while maintaining order?
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<ktosiek> oh, as in, maintaining order of equal elements
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<InfraRuby> selite: Array#sort is not stable
<selite> ktosiek: puts [["e",3], ["e", 2], ["e", 1]].sort should yield the same thing.
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<selite> InfraRuby: it doesn't work with it. In my case order is important.
<Nilium> Could probably implement your own stable sort fairly quickly.
<Nilium> Might need to use C to implement it depending on the amount of things you need to sort and the cost of comparing elements and whatnot, but whatever.
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<ktosiek> selite: what is the default ordering on arrays?
<InfraRuby> Nilium: you can stabilize any sort
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<selite> InfraRuby: How.
<selite> ktosiek: It shuffles them.
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<InfraRuby> Nilium: just map e to [e, i] where i is the index
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<Nilium> .. Order matters, but it's shuffled
<Nilium> InfraRuby: You're talking to the wrong person
<InfraRuby> unfortunately there is no map_with_index...
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<yxhuvud> infra: there is map.with_index though.
<InfraRuby> but a.map_with_index { |e, i| [e, i] }.sort.map { |e, i| e }
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<Nilium> each_with_index.map should work.
<selite> I thought it was commons sense for the default sorting to be stable sort.
<InfraRuby> Nilium: lol, sorry, that was for selite
<selite> selite: I would've made a pretty HUGE mistake by assuming it.
<InfraRuby> selite: no
<yxhuvud> selite: no, because stable sort has costs involved.
<InfraRuby> and you can always stabilize a sort
<InfraRuby> as shown
<InfraRuby> (but not tested)
<yxhuvud> do note that if you are doing sequential sorts, then you might be able to use a.sort_by {|el| [el.a, el.b]}
<Nilium> I'd just question whether it really needs to be stable
<Nilium> If you're shuffling something and then sorting it, does order _really_ matter?
<selite> Nilium: I am not shuffling things, the sorting does, since it's not stable.
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<selite> ["e", 2] goes in front of ["e", 1] even though ["e", 1] comes first
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<InfraRuby> btw, that stabilize thing won't work with sort_by
<Nilium> So compare both elements.
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<yxhuvud> >> [["e", 2],["e", 1]].sort
<eval-in> yxhuvud => [["e", 1], ["e", 2]] (https://eval.in/135927)
<InfraRuby> selite: you're sorting on the integers there?
<InfraRuby> selite: not the strings, but you want it to be stable?
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<selite> InfraRuby: on the strings and I want them stable.
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<selite> InfraRuby: I found this snippet. class Array def stable_sort n = 0 sort_by {|x| n+= 1; [x, n]} end end but i've no idea what it does.
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<InfraRuby> selite: yeah, that's the stabilze thing
<InfraRuby> but that won't quite work because you want to sort on just the strings
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<selite> InfraRuby: yeah
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<InfraRuby> a = [["x", 2], ["x", 1], ["x", 3]]
<InfraRuby> p a.map.with_index { |e, i| [e, i] }.sort { |(e1, i1), (e2, i2)| c = e1.first <=> e2.first ; c != 0 ? c : i1 <=> i2 }.map { |e, i| e }
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<InfraRuby> selite: ^^
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<selite> InfraRuby: Is that for me?
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<InfraRuby> selite: yes
<selite> InfraRuby: Mind explaining it.
<InfraRuby> lol
<InfraRuby> .map.with_index { |e, i| [e, i] } ... .map { |e, i| e } is just the stabilize thing
<InfraRuby> and .sort { |(e1, i1), (e2, i2)| c = e1.first <=> e2.first ; c != 0 ? c : i1 <=> i2 } is the custom sort you need
<InfraRuby> e, e1, e2 are elements of your array
<InfraRuby> i, i1, i2 are indexes
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<Nilium> Basically, what I think he's saying is to use the index as an additional key to sort on when everything else is equal.
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<InfraRuby> selite: look at the output of each stage
<InfraRuby> p a.map.with_index { |e, i| [e, i] }
<InfraRuby> p a.map.with_index { |e, i| [e, i] }.sort { |(e1, i1), (e2, i2)| c = e1.first <=> e2.first ; c != 0 ? c : i1 <=> i2 }
<InfraRuby> p a.map.with_index { |e, i| [e, i] }.sort { |(e1, i1), (e2, i2)| c = e1.first <=> e2.first ; c != 0 ? c : i1 <=> i2 }.map { |e, i| e }
<selite> InfraRuby: Yeah I will I started Ruby yesterday.
<InfraRuby> so if a = [["x", 2], ["x", 1], ["x", 3]]
<InfraRuby> then you get
<InfraRuby> [[["x", 2], 0], [["x", 1], 1], [["x", 3], 2]]
<InfraRuby> [[["x", 2], 0], [["x", 1], 1], [["x", 3], 2]]
<InfraRuby> [["x", 2], ["x", 1], ["x", 3]]
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<InfraRuby> haha, should add some other strings to that example
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<Nilium> You should also probably add some equal second elements.
<InfraRuby> try this: a = [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]]
<InfraRuby> then you get
<Nilium> Otherwise it doesn't really demonstrate a stable sort.
<InfraRuby> [[["c", 1], 0], [["b", 2], 1], [["b", 1], 2], [["b", 3], 3], [["a", 1], 4]]
<InfraRuby> [[["a", 1], 4], [["b", 2], 1], [["b", 1], 2], [["b", 3], 3], [["c", 1], 0]]
<InfraRuby> [["a", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["c", 1]]
<selite> InfraRuby: So you assign index for each subarray and then use that to sort.
<InfraRuby> yes
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<InfraRuby> selite: http://pastie.org/9076777
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<InfraRuby> Nilium: the second elements are never considered
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<Nilium> Well that's no fun.
<InfraRuby> if the first elements are equal then the relative order should be retained
<InfraRuby> whatever the value of the second elements
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<InfraRuby> selite: also stable_sort_by: http://pastie.org/9076813
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<InfraRuby> selite: thanks?
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<InfraRuby> ok...
<InfraRuby> anyway, I'm looking for collaborators for a new web framework
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<Hanmac1> InfraRuby: i didnt understand why he cant use [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]].sort_by(&:last) ... i mean it returns the wanted result for me oO
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<InfraRuby> Hanmac1: that re-ordered the "b" elements
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<InfraRuby> Hanmac1: umm.. and it's supposed to order on the strings, not the integers
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<InfraRuby> sort_by(&:first) appears to work, but it's not guaranteed in ruby to be stable
<Hanmac> okaay ... last time i asked he said it should be orderd on the integers...
<InfraRuby> Hanmac: oh, lol
<InfraRuby> where's st jude?
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<Hanmac> hm i dont know (maybe my ruby version was better than his? for me sort_by and sort returned exaclty what he wanted)
<InfraRuby> Hanmac: yeah, but that's not guaranteed behavior
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<apeiros> http://pastie.org/9076813 seems more complex than necessary. why not just .sort_by.with_index? also omits the block-less case
<popl> hi apeiros
<apeiros> hi popl
<popl> how's table-data going?
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<Hanmac> >> [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]].sort_by(&:first)
<eval-in> Hanmac => [["a", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 3], ["b", 1], ["c", 1]] (https://eval.in/135931)
<Hanmac> >> [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]].sort_by.with_index {|(c,_),i|p [c,i]}
<eval-in> Hanmac => ["c", 0] ... (https://eval.in/135932)
<InfraRuby> Hanmac: that's not guaranteed behavior
<Hanmac> [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]].sort_by.with_index {|(c,_),i|[c,i]}
<Hanmac> >> [["c", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["a", 1]].sort_by.with_index {|(c,_),i|[c,i]}
<eval-in> Hanmac => [["a", 1], ["b", 2], ["b", 1], ["b", 3], ["c", 1]] (https://eval.in/135933)
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<apeiros> popl: I'm using it atm as it is. but for a release I intend to change some things a bit
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<Hanmac> InfraRuby: each time i tryed .sort_by(&:first) i got what i want, i dont see how its not guaranteed ... and the second with extra .with_index is much shorter than your variant
<InfraRuby> Hanmac: sort is not stable in ruby: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/1089
<apeiros> Hanmac: it's not guaranteed by not explicitly guaranteeing it
<apeiros> Hanmac: mri e.g. uses qsort, which may or may not be stable
<apeiros> so it may very well be stable on a) your platform and b) your current ruby version
<Nilium> Docs do not say it's stable, therefore it's not guaranteed to be stable.
<popl> apeiros: that's cool. sorry I haven't been around to add more tests lately; been working then too tired from work to want to do much of anything.
<apeiros> but it's not guaranteed to be stable on either a different platform or a different ruby version
<apeiros> popl: no worries
<Hanmac> hm are you guys sure it wasnt fixed yet? the ticket is > 5 years old ... (and for me it seems to work)
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<InfraRuby> seems to work, lol
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<InfraRuby> ruby might use a stable sort for small arrays
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<apeiros> Hanmac: "In JRuby, we recently put in place an unstable hybrid of a couple sorts"
<apeiros> in that post
<Hanmac> hm ok sorry but i do not care what Jruby says ... Jruby was not, is not, and will not be something i will be interested in
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<apeiros> that rules you out of the discussion then :-p
<InfraRuby> lol
<InfraRuby> matz also rejected stable sort
<InfraRuby> Hanmac: you might like #python
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<Hanmac> InfraRuby: i already worked with python ... but its not evil enough for me ... (i compared ruby & python as twin sisters ... ruby is the "dark" one of them ;P )
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<apeiros> what I miss from that ticket is benchmarks which show how much stable sort algorithms are slower than unstable ones
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<Fractional> Is there a way to say that a range (for instance 0..2) in a hash should all be set to value X?
<Fractional> should be pointing to*
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<Fractional> Is there a way to say that a range (for instance 0..2) in a hash should all be set to value X?
<InfraRuby> (0..2).each do |k| h[k] = v ; end
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<Fractional> infraruby: Thanks a lot!
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<InfraRuby> Fractional: yw
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<Alessy89> :):)
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<InfraRuby> german humour?
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<banister> Hanmac can you translate this into english from german pls http://www.vintage.org/features/blinkenlights.html
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<InfraRuby> anyone want to work on a new ruby web framework?
<Hanmac> banister: i cant ... my german syntax interpreter did crash after i read the first sentence
<popl> banister: It's mock German.
<popl> It's well-known.
<banister> popl i know ;) i'm just teasing Hanmac
<popl> I've seen it on lots of different pages.
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<AliRezaTaleghani> how can I start a simple WebService?
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<AliRezaTaleghani> or what should I look forward to do such a simular feature?
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> AliRezaTaleghani ruby comes inbuilt with webrick
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<shevy> AliRezaTaleghani if you need more like an app, sinatra is useful, you can connect URLs to actions in it
<AliRezaTaleghani> shevy: :-/ I'm still confused....
<shevy> why
<shevy> there are good tutorials for both :)
<AliRezaTaleghani> actually I need to service some service via it
<shevy> yeah
<AliRezaTaleghani> getting requested via a webService!
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<AliRezaTaleghani> but seem's It should not be just like a Post method in normal web pages..
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<AliRezaTaleghani> ok so I should go forward sinatra
<AliRezaTaleghani> yep?
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<Xeago_> maybe you should explain what you mean by a WebService?
<Xeago_> your capitalisation suggests consumption from a language using .NET or something like Java
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<Xeago_> SOAP'y stuff
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* Hanmac is a hardcore programmer, i dont use SOAP ;P
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* pipework is a softcore metallurgist duck whisperer.
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<pipework> I have a healthy breakfast of HATEOAS every day.
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<pipework> Naw, I just play with hypermedia junk and work towards good HATEOAS. It's pretty fun though, I guess.
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<shevy> god damn it
<shevy> downtime because of faulty hdds suck
<[twisti]> hey, im getting a "passenger error" saying that it cannot stat environment.rb
<[twisti]> is that something ruby related ?
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<shevy> test
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<TTilus> [twisti]_m: somewhat, phusion passenger is an app server capable of running ruby web apps
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<[twisti]_m> weird, i wonder how that even got on my server, i dont do anything with ruby
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<TTilus> [twisti]_m: it is looking for enironment.rb, which is either missing or passenger process does not have enough rights to read it
<TTilus> [twisti]_m: passenger runs python, node and meteor too, it is not ruby only
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<[twisti]_m> well, its missing in the sense that the error comes on a normal jpg file hosted on my normal web server, so theres no such file, nor would i know where to get it
<[twisti]_m> node.js ?
<TTilus> you don't possibly have passenger_enabled on in the server conf that is handling the particular jpg file
<TTilus> try_files having pass thru to passenger enabled server and that jpg file not being there could make it try handle that with an app deployed to passenger
<TTilus> [twisti]_m: yes, node.js
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<[twisti]_m> no passenger_enabled in the file, but i did try something regarding node.js recently so ill try to backtrace what i did and see what i changed to cause that
<TTilus> [twisti]_m: that could be it, look for traces of passenger in all of your webserver (nginx?) configurations
<[twisti]_m> will do, thanks for the tips
<TTilus> np
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<Fractional> Question! If I have a module called Zorder with a constant Color how could I pass the ZOrder::Color constants value into a method?
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<DouweM> Zorder::Color evaluates to the value you set it to. you can just pass that into a method
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<shevy> Zorder::Zomg
<shevy> >> module Foo; Bar = 5; end; Foo::Bar * 3
<eval-in> shevy => 15 (https://eval.in/136015)
<shevy> Fractional ^^^
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<shevy> DouweM how do you manage your gem projects?
<shevy> do you maintain your .gemspec files?
<shevy> I am getting tired of having to change .add_dependency field
<DouweM> I manage the gemspec manually, yeah. just like you'd add a gem to your project's Gemfile, you add it to your gem's gemspec
<DouweM> if you're getting tired of doing that, are you sure your projects are even fit to be gems? just a single executable .rb file works fine as well
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<DouweM> and only requires you to `gem install` your dependencies
<shevy> hmm
<DouweM> provided you only use the scripts yourself, who cares if it's a gem
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<shevy> my larger gem projects depend on many smaller .rb files
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<shevy> some of them depend on even smaller ones
<DouweM> ah, in that case the gem structure is a good idea
<DouweM> I have no idea what you're working on so it's hard to give advice ;P
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<shevy> the general tediousness of having to specify dependencies :(
<DouweM> but you have larger gem projects with many .rb files and you still refuse to use proper scm? :p
<shevy> what if I would just omit the version numbers of dependencies?
<shevy> yeah, why would I need a scm?
<DouweM> shevy: set a minimum version number
<DouweM> shevy: to manage your source code
<DouweM> you're missing out, I use Git for even the smallest private project
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<shevy> ok and what advantage do you get that way?
<DouweM> a clear history of the project, being able to easily see how it "got this way", being able to easily roll back changes, never being afraid to accidentally save/close and not be able to undo changes
<shevy> so projects need a history ;)
<DouweM> of course they do :p
<DouweM> even if it's just to keep yourself sane
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<shevy> what if you have a large project and wish to rewrite it
<DouweM> I `git blame` my own files all the time, just to see when and why a certain line of code came about
<shevy> I have the very same ability to roll back with incremental backups
<DouweM> shevy: then you can?
<shevy> DouweM but the new infrastructure would mean that none of the code would really work much anymore
<shevy> like if you change the core APIs in your project
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<shevy> add or remove dependencies
<DouweM> what does that have to do with using version control or nog?
<DouweM> *not
<DouweM> and sure, you can get the same from incremental backups, but git commits and their diffs are a bit easier to browse through
<shevy> DouweM precisely - version control does not give you anything useful when you wish to rewrite the whole project
<DouweM> I don't know about you but I don't rewrite the whole project every day
<shevy> perhaps you write perfect code :P
<DouweM> most of my changes *are* incremental, where blame and history do make a lot of sense
<DouweM> how often do you rewrite whole projects?
<DouweM> instead of just changing/adding/removing stuff?
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<shevy> DouweM the larger projects I'd say about 1 every 3 years perhaps
<shevy> *once every 3 years
<shevy> the smaller ones don't need much rewriting
<DouweM> so you have 3 years of history
<shevy> actually, I think 98% of my small projects I never had to rewrite
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<DouweM> which is my point
<DouweM> that's a terrible argument against scm
<shevy> yeah and I don't see your point at all
<shevy> why would anyone need scm for projects that rarely get changed and rarely need change?
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<DouweM> ah, that's something else
<DouweM> if you rarely change them it doesn't matter much
<shevy> I mean, for projects where you need people contribute to them then that is something different
<DouweM> but if you do work on them a lot, and I don't mean rewrite, just add features and refactor, history is very useful
<shevy> then you can trace back who added the backdoor :P
<DouweM> not really, I regularly check the history for my own projects
<DouweM> just to see when I added the backdoor :p
<shevy> haha
<DouweM> Git does your incremental backups + much more
<DouweM> you already see the point of incremental backups to be able to roll back easily and hack freely
<DouweM> why not try a proper scm
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<Rylee> why not use an scm when it's as simple as $ git init; git add .; git commit -am 'initial commit'
<shevy> Rylee for all projects
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<[twisti]_m> scm is insanely trivial if you know how to do it, and if you dont know how to use an scm, your chances of finding a decently paying job are severely diminished
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<DouweM> yeah, I find it crazy to have to argue the merits of proper scm in freaking 2014
<[twisti]_m> so imo the only reason not to figure out scm is "i program as a hobby and work as a banker" or something
<gitt> [twisti]_m: I've never encountered actual scm questioning in interview
<shevy> [twisti]_m funny that I survived without scm so far
<gitt> although perhaps that's just where I mention git/svn on the CV already and it's assumed a given
<DouweM> gitt: you're gonna need it at every decent job though
<gitt> yeah i don't doubt that
<tobiasvl> i use git for my dotfiles, my passwords (stored with pass), my PGN chess game files, etc
<gitt> although i've actually found people aren't necessarily all that adept at it
<tobiasvl> in addition to all source code I write of course
<[twisti]_m> yeah if you dont have at least one of git or svn in your cv i dont see how youd get anything above an intership
<gitt> there should be more git training
<DouweM> shevy: you're complaining about `git init/git add` with every new project, even though you happily write and maintain a gemspec?
<shevy> DouweM no, did you not read what I wrote?
<shevy> <shevy> DouweM how do you manage your gem projects?
<shevy> <shevy> do you maintain your .gemspec files?
<shevy> <shevy> I am getting tired of having to change .add_dependency field
<DouweM> well, not happily. but at least git init is only once
<DouweM> you still do it though
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<shevy> you just wrote "happily"
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<shevy> <shevy> I am getting tired of having to change .add_dependency field
<DouweM> yeah I'll retract that
<shevy> HELLO? ;)
<DouweM> git add/git commit anytime you make a bunch of significant changes isn't exactly a chore
<shevy> DouweM I wonder how people actually find the motivation to want to maintain their .gemspec files
<DouweM> you probably have your terminal open all the time anyway
<shevy> DouweM wait a moment, not a chore...
<shevy> <tobiasvl> i use git for my dotfiles, my passwords (stored with pass), my PGN chess game files, etc
<shevy> !!!
<DouweM> shevy: it's just write once; update very infrequently
<gitt> DouweM: actually I find git helps me organise my thoughts and processes - as a byproduct of managing my changes
<shevy> he uses git for EVERYTHING!
<DouweM> shevy: you probably have your terminal open anyway
<shevy> yeah
<DouweM> shevy: who cares about a git add/git commit every once in a while
<tobiasvl> shevy: EVERYTHING!!!
<shevy> kde konsole and ten tabs!
<gitt> git allows me to say "OK. Tests are passing. I spent the last 30 mins trying to fix something. I can't remember WTF I've been doing though. git diff..."
<shevy> DouweM every once in a while!!!
<shevy> hehe gitt
<tobiasvl> i seriously use git for almost absolutely everything text based and it's wonderful out here, come join me
<shevy> omg
<DouweM> shevy: I'm still convinced you're a huge troll
<shevy> nope, just very opinionated!
<shevy> on reddit I have to fight the real trolls
<shevy> they are respawning like crazy there
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<shevy> though there are some wise people too
<tobiasvl> shevy: okay, so you don't need the actual VERSION control (you claim; I think you couldn't live without it once you started, but YMMV of course), but what about easily backing up stuff by pushing your repos
<shevy> but they are the clear minority
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<shevy> tobiasvl well first off it depends on the definition of a repo; I mean you could have all repos locally, of course that wouldn't be useful much for others
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<DouweM> I have all of my repos as private repos on github for backup
<shevy> hmm
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<tobiasvl> DouweM: yeah me too (until recently I used bitbucket for that because it's free, until I caved and upgraded my github)
<shevy> DouweM, what is your largest public project? as in where there is a repo online that one could be used for browsing
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<shevy> *one could use
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<shevy> yeah, largest as in code
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<Nowaker> DouweM: isnt it too costly? you pay github per repo, whereas youd pay bitbucket nothing... as you pay them per user.
<shevy> I want to count statistics :)
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<Nowaker> and since its a private backup, you dont have collaborators to these repos
<DouweM> Nowaker: it's just a matter of convenience. I'm already on GitHub for work, don't want to bother with another web GUI. Plus I get a student discount
<tobiasvl> my largest as in code is https://github.com/unioslo/cerebrum (althought it's not really _mine_, it's our work project and I just recently made that github mirror) - history goes back to 2002 :) :) :)
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<shevy> ok pebblewatch is not that large
<DouweM> shevy: neither of those are good examples about the power of git. my largest project is work and private, obviously
<shevy> well ;)
<shevy> hidden away!!!
<tobiasvl> DouweM: oh you made revolution. kudos
<shevy> if you put it into a .tar.xz archive, how large would it be DouweM?
<DouweM> tobiasvl: :)
<DouweM> shevy: hehe, let me check
<shevy> just a rough estimate
<Nowaker> DouweM: i see. i use github for work, and bitbucket for my own small company. it would be a disaster to pay for 50 small private repos to github :)
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<shevy> ok cerebrum is much much larger than pebblewatch
<shevy> much much much much larger than my biggest project as well
<DouweM> shevy: the ZIP I just downloaded from GitHub is over 10MB (still downloading)
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<shevy> ack
<tobiasvl> shevy: it's just a mirror though, it's not a very popular repo on github yet as you can see ;)
<DouweM> that's obviously no just code
<DouweM> 20MB downloaded now :P
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> cerebrum.zip at 4 mb
<DouweM> I'm a bit scared myself by that number
<shevy> I think all my projects taken together will barely reach ... perhaps 3 mb :P
<shevy> haha DouweM
<shevy> don't worry, you can reach 100
<DouweM> shevy: we have a bunch of PSDs in here as well. let me get subtract those
<shevy> well let's just put a number... 3 MB of these 20 MB might be code, that's really a lot in my opinion
<tobiasvl> shevy: hehe, yeah, cerebrum is just code. my local repo is 50 MB unzipped
<DouweM> Let me run loccounter :)
<shevy> wow
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<shevy> you know. 50 MB ...
<shevy> linux kernel linux-3.13.7.tar.xz has 74M here
<shevy> are you guys building an OS ...
<DouweM> tobiasvl: hehe, thanks for the follow
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<shevy> tobiasvl, you also work in python?
<shevy> in/with
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<tobiasvl> shevy: yeah, python at work, ruby at home ;)
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<DouweM> shevy: cloc is counting, I'll get back to you with results :)
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<tobiasvl> DouweM: np for the follow - I don't even have a pebble and I've heard of revolution. considering getting a steel
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<DouweM> tobiasvl: how in the hell have you heard of revolution? and Steel is very nice, I'm wearing one right now. Much, much better than the plastic one
<DouweM> tobiasvl: this one doesn't get me weird looks when I wear it at parties or whatever
<shevy> steel?
<shevy> the material?
* shevy is confused.
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<tobiasvl> getpebble.com/steel
<DouweM> I have the matte black one
<tobiasvl> DouweM: I researched it a bit (I'm a watch guy and have eyed it for a while) and the revolution watch face seems pretty popular :)
<DouweM> hehe, you could say that :)
<DouweM> what kind of watch are you wearing now?
<tobiasvl> DouweM: my everyday Seiko 5 beater: http://www.amazon.com/Seiko-5-Automatic-Snzg17J1-Watch/dp/B0033049CE/
<tobiasvl> (#ruby on a sunday...)
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<banister_> tobiasvl r u excited about samsung watch
<DouweM> tobiasvl: nice watch and (i no rite)
<tobiasvl> banister_: not as excited as I am for Moto 360
<DouweM> Samsung Galaxy Gear is supposedly awful
<DouweM> yes! really looking forward to the Moto 360 announcement
<banister_> tobiasvl r u excited fo apple iwatch
<DouweM> And of course very curious to whatever Apple and Google are going to announce
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<tobiasvl> banister_: sure! not an apple guy myself but they tend do define whatever markets they enter ;)
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<tobiasvl> so DouweM made revolution and banister_ made pry
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<tobiasvl> shevy: see what github and social coding reveals? ;)
<DouweM> hehe
<DouweM> And we're both Dutch
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<DouweM> Or banister_ lives in the Netherlands, anyhow. I had no idea, cool beans.
<tobiasvl> lekker gewoon
<DouweM> zeker
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<banister_> DouweM leiden
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<banister_> DouweM where are u from in nl?
<DouweM> Yeah, cool. I knew you made Pry but I'd never actually seen your profile/location. Goed bezig :)
<shevy> why the hell are you all in the netherlands
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<banister_> DouweM i'm ot dutch btw ;)
<DouweM> Currently living and studying in Utrecht, originally from den Bosch
<banister_> DouweM not*
<DouweM> banister_: ah :)
<banister_> DouweM i just live here cos of easy access to illicit substances and the cute little towns
<DouweM> Den Bosch / 's-Hertogenbosch, same thing
<DouweM> lol
<DouweM> yeah those are good reasons
<DouweM> where are you from originally?
<banister_> new zealand :)
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<DouweM> our nature isn't as pretty as yours I'm afraid
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<DouweM> shevy: work project is 31001 lines of Ruby, 15719 of CoffeeScript and 2415 of CSS, apparently.
<DouweM> those are weighted though, I think, not actual
<DouweM> but that's a lot of code. I'm a bit ashamed, like it's *too much*
<shevy> wow
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<shevy> is that including comments?
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<shevy> I always include comments in counting lines of code :P
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<DouweM> excluding
<shevy> wow!
<DouweM> excluding blank as well
<shevy> so real code
<DouweM> but I'm not sure how cloc.pl counts
<shevy> yeah, blanks I eliminate as well
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<j416> with newlines wherever the language allows
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<j416> :D
<DouweM> we currently have a pull request open on GitHub with "+9,922 −1,045" as the diff :P
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<DouweM> and another one with "+7,717 −298"
<tobiasvl> agh
<j416> DouweM: happy to be on not your project. :D
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<tobiasvl> sounds like one of shevy's three year rewrites
<DouweM> there's a structure to it though :P although these should probably have been proper forks
<DouweM> we have a lot of pull requests that merge into eachother atm hehe
<DouweM> once all of the other PRs have been merged into the main one (the large one), it'll be merged into develop
<DouweM> we're getting there, slowly
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<shevy> tobiasvl hmm nah I think the largest project I have had reached 10k lines of code but including comments
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<shevy> and 2415 lines of css!
<DouweM> shevy: what was that?
<shevy> DouweM my old ruby build tools
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<shevy> right now I work on ftp stuff again!
<shevy> todo item - enable readline tab completion for remote directories
<shevy> but I hate the readline module so much...
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<catphish> is there a normal way to create copies of a class with different class variables? i have a class that refers to a type of object in a remote database (via an http api), but i need to set which remote server the class should talk to before using it
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<DouweM> catphish: sounds like you should just use an instance, not a class
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<jhass> or class level instance variables
<catphish> i suspect i may just need more classes
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<catphish> thinking about it, it might be easier just to pass the necessary options to class methods every time they're called
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<catphish> essentially i call RemoteObject.all which pulls all RemoteObjects from an API, but i want to be able to connect to multiple remote servers
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<catphish> but i'm sure RemoteObject.all(remote_server) will be ok
<jhass> as said, class level instance variables
<catphish> jhass: i'll have to look those up as i've never heard of them, thanks
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<jhass> and you probably want to put the related functionality in a module
<DouweM> Why not Server.new(remote_server).remote_objects.all
<jhass> so you get class ObjectA; extend RemoteObject; set_endpoint "...."; end class ObjectB; extend RemoteObject; set_endpoint "...."; end and so on
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<DouweM> Then you can at least reuse the Server object
<catphish> DouweM: that's not a bad idea at all
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<catphish> jhass: that looks cool actually, i feel my problem would benefit from being simplified as per DouweM's suggestion though :)
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<catphish> DouweM: that works much better, thanks :)
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<DouweM> :)
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<catphish> DouweM: actually, this leaves my original issue: what is remote_objects on which you call #all?
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<catphish> in my mind, it's a "configured" copy of the RemoteObject class, or is there a simpler option?
<DouweM> What kind of methods does RemoteObject currently have?
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<DouweM> class methods, that is
<catphish> well it has instance methods that refer to its remote attributes, and class metods like "all" "find_by_name"
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<catphish> which return sets of instances of itself
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<DouweM> And RemoteObject is also used for instances of remote objects?
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<DouweM> how about Server#remote_objects returns a RemoteObjectsCollection.new(server), which in turn implements those methods?
<DouweM> That's similar to how ActiveRecord solves it
<DouweM> RemoteObject wouldn't have any class methods
<catphish> yes, that would work
<DouweM> Because you always need to get remote objects through Server or RemoteObjectsCollection
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<DouweM> what kind of remote objects and servers are we dealing with here anyway?
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<catphish> it's just a simple: database -> http -> ORM
<DouweM> all right. sure you're not reinventing the wheel?
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<shevy> hehe
<catphish> i usually do :)
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<shevy> hey Hanmac
<shevy> shall I move to eclipse?
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<bufferloss> lol what kind of question is that?
<Hanmac> shevy: hm yah, for what language do you plan to use it?
<bufferloss> if you must use something other than a good text editor, go with RubyMine if anything
<shevy> nah
<mac_cosmo> lol @ eclipse
<shevy> Hanmac no restrictions, all kind of text
<mac_cosmo> what’s wrong with textmate / sublime?
<bufferloss> shevy, then you want gvim/mvim
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<shevy> textmate is mac only or?
<shevy> gvim is a joke
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<tobiasvl> shevy doesn't like vim and he doesn't like git. we can never be friends
<mac_cosmo> yep
* benzrf slaps shevy
<benzrf> shevy is an incarnation of terribleness
<shevy> nono, the point that I don't like anything doesn't have anything to do with not picking it
<mac_cosmo> sublime runs almost anywhere
<shevy> vim's main problem is that it messes with the brain
<Hanmac> shevy i only want to warn you, some builds of the eclipse dev versions are broken for gtk3 ... (so you might need to be careful)
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> I have both gtk2 and gtk3
<jhass> eclipse as a general purpose editor is a horrible idea
<benzrf> jhass++
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<mac_cosmo> before sublime was out, and i had to use windows in the office, i used jedit. it was quite good
<jhass> but then some people like their pain. Go and do it, but don't come here and complain you weren't warned
<DouweM> yeah, I'll throw a +1 on that pile as well
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<benzrf> mac_cosmo: >not using vim
<Hanmac> shevy http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php should be fine while http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index-developer.php the special C++ packages are broken
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<shevy> jhass I would not complain to you anyway
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<Hanmac> shevy: if oyu are interested in the problem look at https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=430956
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<shevy> ewwww
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<shevy> "The crash log shows that GTK 2 as well as GTK 3 libraries have been loaded by the eclipse process."
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<phruby> is it possible to alias a variable
<phruby> foo = 4
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<mac_cosmo> you can set the varible as an instance variable and use methods to get and set the value of it
<jhass> phruby: why would you need that?
<phruby> foo = "hash[:key]"
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<phruby> jhass: i would like it to be the key not the value
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<phruby> jhass: i want it to be exatly hash[:key] i mean
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<jhass> I'm not sure I understand you
<jhass> describe your problem not the solution you think you need
<jhass> (and "I want to type less" would be a valid problem description)
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<phruby> variable = 4
<phruby> another_copy = variable
<phruby> puts another_copy -> 4
<jhass> that's not a copy
<centrx> There is only one 4
<phruby> bad choice of name
<centrx> So that might not be a good example
<phruby> variable = 4
<phruby> foo = variable
<jhass> a variable is a reference to an object. an object can have an unlimited number of references. = creates a new references to an object
<phruby> puts foo -> 4
<phruby> now
<Hanmac> jhass: i think his problem is that he overwrite the original "variable", and "another_copy" points still to the old object
<phruby> variable = hash[:key]
<phruby> foo = variable
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<phruby> puts foo -> value
<jhass> hashes are objects. hash keys are objects. hash values are objects
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<phruby> so the problem is that i want it to be exactly hash[:key]
<jhass> >> hash = {key: :value}; variable = hash[:key]; foo = variable; foo
<eval-in> jhass => :value (https://eval.in/136051)
<phruby> this is why i asked for aliases
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<Hanmac> phruby: your code works like that, but when you change hash[:key], both variable & foo points to the old object
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<Hanmac> >> hash = {key: 5}; variable = hash[:key]; hash[:key] = 6; variable
<eval-in> Hanmac => 5 (https://eval.in/136052)
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<Hanmac> hash = {key: 5}; variable = proc{ hash[:key]}; hash[:key] = 6; variable.call
<Hanmac> >> hash = {key: 5}; variable = proc{ hash[:key]}; hash[:key] = 6; variable.call
<eval-in> Hanmac => 6 (https://eval.in/136053)
<Hanmac> phruby: does this show your problem?
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<jhass> phruby: you still didn't provide a description for the problem you want to solve
<Hanmac> i think his mind was poisoned by php to much
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<phruby> Hanmac: Hanmac thanks. so you would use proc to make it look like an alias
<phruby> Hanmac: using proc solve my problem
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<jhass> I doubt that
<jhass> I mean I doubt it's the optimal solution
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<phruby> jhass: the problem is - i want the variable to be an alias no matter what - whether it's a fixnum or an hash
<jhass> you still describe the solution you think you need
<phruby> jhass: or you need a lot of explanation that you think you need
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<jhass> all I can say that I never came across the need for such a construct or such an "alias"
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<The_NetZ> ok; anyone care to assist me 'convert' a marshal-serialized object into a xml one?
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<jhass> The_NetZ: what do you have so far?
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<The_NetZ> jhass: read up on ox and yaml
<jhass> so where are you stuck?
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<The_NetZ> actually I think I got it... now I just need to write the results to file
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<The_NetZ> jhass: sorry if a bother, but I tend to ask a question as I research it, as sometimes folks here may know the answer faster than my google-fu
<jhass> it helps to ask specific questions. To both
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<The_NetZ> ayup
<The_NetZ> I shoulda asked more along the lines of 'whats a good gem/library useful for writing stuff as xml.'
<benzrf> The_NetZ: the answer is dont use xxml
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<benzrf> *xml
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<Hanmac1> i have map data in xml
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<The_NetZ> Hanmac: haha
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<Hanmac> hey its not that bad!
<The_NetZ> benzrf: I don't intend to 'use' it, I just need a nice way to visualize it outside of irb
<The_NetZ> Hanmac: I'm just laughing because that's what I just did XD
<benzrf> use yaml or somethin
<benzrf> xml is never 'a nice way to visualize' something
<The_NetZ> benzrf: what works for your eyes may not for mine.
<benzrf> unless it's actually something that markup is appropriate for
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<Hanmac> benzrf: this program uses xml maps http://www.mapeditor.org/
<benzrf> >:o
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<phruby> Hanmac: say i want to have "has[:key]
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<benzrf> rails!!!
<benzrf> i should learn rails
<phruby> Hanmac: say i want to have "hash[:key]" - no the key but the statement hash[:key], how would you go about it
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<benzrf> i hear its good for RESTful api design for dynamic content delivery over modern communication protocols
<Hanmac> benzrf: its true ... after you used rails you really need a REST ;P
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<benzrf> to be fair!
<benzrf> i have been reading about REST and it seems like a good idea
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<Hanmac> phruby: show me a gist of your sample code, what EXACLTY do you want ... with wanted input & wanted output
<benzrf> and MVC does seem like a good approach for doin it
<phruby> Hanmac: in you example: hash = {key: 5}; variable = proc{ hash[:key]}; hash[:key] = 6; variable.call
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<phruby> Hanmac: is there a way to come up with "hash[:key]" the statement rather than the key itself
<Hanmac> you want this?
<Hanmac> >> hash = {a: 5}; variable = proc{|key| hash[key]}; hash[:a] = 6; variable.call(:a)
<eval-in> Hanmac => 6 (https://eval.in/136074)
<phruby> Hanmac: ok. ill come back in a few minutes for the code
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<catphish> today i'd like to express dislike for people who write method_missing methods but don't override respond_to? accordingly
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<Hanmac> catphish: overwriting respond_to? is wrong you should use respond_to_missing?
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<benzrf> Hanmac: oh snap
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<catphish> Hanmac: that's very cool, thanks for the pointer
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<catphish> :)
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<tobiasvl> that's not a pointer, that's a splat ;_;
<The_NetZ> Hanmac: so what opengl library are you using?
<tobiasvl> Hanmac is now reduced to his basic parts
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<Hanmac> The_NetZ: still using SFML with https://github.com/Hanmac/sfml-ruby
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<The_NetZ> Hanmac: ah. glfw here; writing up some useful bindings
<Hanmac> glfw is also cool ... i worked with it before too
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<Hanmac> hm nope i dont have a gflw binding yet but i tryed to integrade glfw into gosu a long time ago ... (and i also commited something to gflw itself)
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<The_NetZ> heh
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<The_NetZ> Hanmac1: either way, I'm not doing a direct 1:1 glfw binding, though.
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<Hanmac1> The_NetZ: there was a time i used gosu and i thought it would be good if i replace the current system inside gosu itself with glfw parts
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<heedly> what debian package has the gem executable in it?
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<xiella> C
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<xiella> oops, please ignore that
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<Hanmac1> heedly: "dpkg -S usr/bin/gem" #=> "ruby2.0: /usr/bin/gem2.0"
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<The_NetZ> hehe, I'm on arch now :P
<heedly> Hanmac1: I just get http://pastebin.com/bZiQqmas
<The_NetZ> anyone with info on getting ruby 2.1.1 working under windows?
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<Hanmac1> heedly: hm that means you dont have ruby installed?
<heedly> hmm, isn't ruby2.0 in wheezy?
<heedly> I don't seem to see it.
<heedly> Hanmac1: I don't
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<benzrf_elsewhere> hey
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<benzrf_elsewhere> so how about that ruby huh?
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<tobiasvl> yeah i knwo
<tobiasvl> know
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<shevy> I knwo as well
<shevy> we all knwo some things
<shevy> even benzrf does
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<benzrf_elsewhere> i know more things than most people =3
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<shevy> true
<shevy> even though it's kind of useless
<shevy> like haskell
<The_NetZ> lol
<benzrf_elsewhere> haskell is so not useless
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<benzrf_elsewhere> dont u know that the universe is written in haskell
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<shevy> so that is why it is so slow
<shevy> and why noone understands its origin
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<_lazarevsky_> hello all
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<_lazarevsky_> say I have a hash with the following structure
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<_lazarevsky_> [{"principle_id"=>{:s=>"cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da"}, "text"=>{:s=>"Achievement of the Right Results"}}, {"principle_id"=>{:s=>"c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b"}, "text"=>{:s=>"Are Right, A Lot"}}, ...
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<jhass> so an array of hashes
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<_lazarevsky_> yes
<_lazarevsky_> I am given a string
<_lazarevsky_> how can I return the element with the given string ?
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<jhass> a string of what?
<Mon_Ouie> Using Enumerable#find
<_lazarevsky_> string which is contained in the text field of the hashes
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<_lazarevsky_> so I need to find the hash which for the text field has the same value as the given string
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<jhass> hashes.find {|hash| hash["text"] == string } but consider using that as key/building a hash with that as key if you do that a lot
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<jhass> er, hashes.find {|hash| hash["text"][:s] == string }
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<jhass> that's kinda a weird structure btw
<_lazarevsky_> jhass: can you explain what you meant by => but consider using that as key/building a hash with that as key if you do that a lot
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<tobiasvl> i did that just yesterday, used detect instead
<jhass> by_text = Hash[hashes.map {|hash| [hash["text"][:s], hash] }]; by_text[string]
<tobiasvl> I did entry[:secureContents][:fields].detect { |field| field[:name] == "password" }[:value]
<tobiasvl> ugly as sin
<jhass> tobiasvl: detect and find are aliases
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<_lazarevsky_> jhass: umm.. I guess I can remove :s..
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<tobiasvl> jhass: oh okay
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<tobiasvl> but still ... indexing the block
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<_lazarevsky_> jhass: this may sound retarded but.. can I use the string I'm looking for as the index?
<_lazarevsky_> for the blocks?
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<jhass> "index for the blocks" ??
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<_lazarevsky_> well
<_lazarevsky_> bear in mind im a total ruby noob
<_lazarevsky_> I was thinking
<_lazarevsky_> can I have
<apeiros> one
<apeiros> word
<apeiros> per
<apeiros> message?
<apeiros> yes
<apeiros> you
<apeiros> can!
<apeiros> </sarcasm>
<apeiros> ;-p
<jhass> apeiros: /topic pls
<_lazarevsky_> "stringWhichIsTheIndex" => { principle_id: "ulalalala", someOtherField: "lalala" }
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<_lazarevsky_> would that make any diff in performance?
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<jhass> _lazarevsky: that's exactly what I did here: (20:30:38) jhass: by_text = Hash[hashes.map {|hash| [hash["text"][:s], hash] }]; by_text[string]
<jhass> and yes it would be faster
<jhass> but probably also consume more memory
<_lazarevsky_> memory is not an issue..
<Hanmac1> _lazarevsky_ you should check when using find & detect that it can return nil so using [] diectly on the result may crash
<jhass> and {a => b} is a hash, not a block, the left side is called key, not index
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<jhass> _lazarevsky that is it would be faster if you build that structure once and do a lot of queries on it
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<_lazarevsky_> jhass: that's exactly my use case
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<_lazarevsky_> I am mapping scenarios to principles
<_lazarevsky_> so a principle can have multiple scenarios
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<_lazarevsky_> what im shooting for is, given a scenario string return the principle
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<Mon_Ouie> Then you just need to create a new hash where you add one entry for each scenario that a principle has
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<_lazarevsky_> What would the structure look like?
<_lazarevsky_> Mon_Ouie: ?
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<_lazarevsky_> I was thinking of doing just that
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<_lazarevsky_> ["scenarioString" => {id: "1", principleString: "ulala"}]
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<_lazarevsky_> another option is
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<_lazarevsky_> [{id: 'lala', principle=> {test: "principleText", scenarioTest: "scenarioText"}}]
<Hanmac1> _lazarevsky_ if your stucture reacted an specific level of complexity you should think about using objects instead of hash-in-hashs
<_lazarevsky_> Hanmac1: this is just a temp solution. This code will be refactored in a week or so
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<_lazarevsky_> Hanmac1: I just need to have a running code for tomorrow is all. That's why I am not even using a DB for now, cuz we've not yet decided on a db yet
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<Hanmac1> yeah "refactoring" ... i know that when i try to refactor my macros again ... and again ;P
<_lazarevsky_> Hanmac1: could you please advise me on which way is better
<_lazarevsky_> Hanmac1: which way to structure the hash that is
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<Hanmac> hm i currently cant help with that ...
<_lazarevsky_> ["scenarioString" => {id: "1", principleString: "ulala"}] or [{id: 'lala', principle=> {test: "principleText", scenarioTest: "scenarioText"}}]
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<Hanmac> apeiros: did you know if C-compiler can optimize "if(true){ ... }" parts? it comes into the code from some macros
<tobiasvl> regarding the structure, isn't that just json?
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<apeiros> Hanmac: I think compilers can and do optimize such things, yes. but ##c is better for such things.
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<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: umm.. well.. I am not too sure what you mean.. Which way would be better to query the hashmap speed-wise?
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<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: I know what JSON is :)
<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: I did not know what you meant by your comment
<shevy> he meants json beer
<shevy> *meant
<tobiasvl> your structure is JSON, so why not parse it as JSON
<tobiasvl> instead of reaching into the hash
<tobiasvl> shevy: beer on sundays is frowned upon i think
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<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: no it's not JSON.. I am constructing the data.. it lives in-memory for now
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<tobiasvl> oh okay
<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: I am busy constructuing it now.. and I wanna know which way would be the best to query it.. I will receive a scenario string and I need to get a principle
<_lazarevsky_> tobiasvl: ["scenarioString" => {id: "1", principleString: "ulala"}] or [{id: 'lala', principle=> {test: "principleText", scenarioTest: "scenarioText"}}]
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<glide> I'm running into problems installing Rails on Ubuntu 12.04. Is there a failsafe procedure?
<tobiasvl> glide: #RubyOnRails
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<Hanmac> glide: and your ubuntu version is outdated, you should think about upgrade
<_lazarevsky_> a little correction
<_lazarevsky_> the second approach would be like
<_lazarevsky_> [{id: 'lala', principle=> {test: "principleText", scenarioTest: ["scenarioText1", "scenarioText2", ...]}}]
<tectonic> If you're interested in an open-source clone of IFTTT / Zapier, checkout https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7582316 and maybe upvote if you like it ;)
<glide> tobiasvl, It says I "need to be identified with services." Does that mean I need to register with freenode or something?
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<glide> Hanmac, Ok, thanks.
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<headius> Hanmac, apeiros: MRI had an unstable sort, which is why we did the same in JRuby...but I think they may have switch it to a stable sort later on
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<jhass> glide: /msg NickServ help
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<glide> jhass, thanks.
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<apeiros> headius: I don't think your choice was wrong. ruby doesn't guarantee stable sort, so you do what's best for performance.
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<apeiros> headius: but do you happen to have some numbers of stable vs. unstable algorithms?
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<headius> apeiros: we did that exploration many years ago...I'm not sure if we have those numbers now
<noob101> Hello ruby community.
<apeiros> ah too sad
<apeiros> do you remember in what ballpark the diff was?
* noob101 hugs ruby community
<noob101> Everyone here is so nice.
<apeiros> hi noob101
<noob101> Hello apeiros.
<RubyPanther> woah, hands off, no touching
<noob101> I am sorry :( RubyPanther
<RubyPanther> lol j/k
<noob101> :)
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<headius> apeiros: I think it was as much as 2x for some datasets
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<noob101> I am doing the ruby koans, I am learning about hashes now. -_- I don't like hashes
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<apeiros> headius: oh, that big? ok
<RubyPanther> just be glad we don't have pseudo-hashes
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<headius> apeiros: stable requires more memory too I believe
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<apeiros> I'm pretty sure I learned O(1) memory using stable sorting algos back in the day. but I might misremember (or they might have bad average performance)
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<apeiros> having an explicitly stable sort variant would be nice. but I have to admit, I came across use cases maybe twice in the last ten years.
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<headius> apeiros: yeah I think there oughta be a stable sort method
<headius> or an option passed to the sort
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<headius> sort(:stable => true)
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> horses belong into the stable
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<shevy> hmm if I have a module
<shevy> module Foo; def a; end; def b; end; end
<shevy> and I want to include that module into a class BUT I don't want it to overwrite already existing methods with the same name in that class
<shevy> what options may I have left?
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<centrx> shevy, include the module in the parent?
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<basichash> Does one need to specify whether attributes are private, or is that done by default (changed via attr_reader/writer)?
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<centrx> basichash, @instance_variables are always private
<jhass> >> module A; def a; :a; end; end; class B; include A; def a; :b; end; end; B.new.a
<eval-in> jhass => :b (https://eval.in/136083)
<jhass> shevy: ^
<centrx> basichash, Though they can still be accessed with instance_variable_get(:@instance_variable)
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<shevy> jhass so you mean redefining the original state?
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<basichash> centrx: thanks. Is there any point in accessing an attribute by defining a method with a value? (e.g. def secret; @secret = 'hidden'; end instead of @secret = 'hidden')
<centrx> basichash, What are yo utrying to do?
<jhass> shevy: oh you don't want to overwrite a method from the parent class?
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<shevy> well ideally I would prefer if the inclusion of the module would make a single exception for one method alone
<shevy> I actually subclass from Sinatra
<shevy> "def body" is the culprit
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<basichash> centrx: I was just reading through a tutorial and instead of creating a "pin" variable in the initialize func (this was for a banking class), it defined it in a private method
<shevy> here is the minimal example I found that should reliably reproduce it: http://pastie.org/9077995
<jhass> not sure if that's possible
<basichash> centrx: if that makes sense
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> then let me try to think
<basichash> centrx: http://pastebin.com/xX2yu6rH
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<shevy> the module Foo pulls in a bunch of methods, but only "def body" is leading to this problem... is there a way to remove this method before I include the module?
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<shevy> hah
<shevy> that works, thanks jhass
<shevy> Foo.class_eval { remove_method(:body) }
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<jhass> I guess I'd just question why Foo needs to define a method named body
<shevy> because it needs this method
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<jhass> and then you can just remove it?
<shevy> sure
<shevy> it's not perfect but a workaround
<shevy> you argue as if it must be a vital method
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<jhass> "Foo needs the method body so I can just remove it" sounds like a contradiction to me
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<shevy> yes, Foo itself needs the method
<jhass> note that I question that Foo needs a method _named_ body
<shevy> Ideally I would not want to remove it at all
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<shevy> well in any namespace there can be conflicts with methods having the same name
<F1skr> Hello, in python it is possible to rename a module on import like: "import some_module as custom_name" is something like this possible in ruby?
<jhass> but Foo seems intended to be used with Sinatra::Base, so it would be sensible to pay attention to not have conflicts with that
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<shevy> it would be nice if one could access different methods that have the same name, but ruby seems to resolve it in a way that makes the last one defined with the same name always the winner
<shevy> you can include any module?
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<jhass> you need to separate between intention and possibilities. Ruby allows you a lot so you need to do that even more here
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<crome> F1skr: in ruby import works in a different way.
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<jhass> F1skr: in ruby you don't import modules, you load files, ruby doesn't associate the name of a file to its contents in any way, those are simply conventions for us programmers
<crome> in python import returns a module, in ruby require loads all the classes/modules/etc defined in the file and places them under their respective namespace
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<F1skr> I see, I can just do "custom_name = some_module" right after require right?
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<jhass> sure
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<jhass> modules are just objects assigned to a constant
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<CorySimmons> Hi guys, I'm trying to Gemify my SCSS grid framework. I'm not familiar with Ruby so I'm not really sure how to do this. Can anyone take a peek at my WIP branch and let me know how it looks so far? https://github.com/mojotech/jeet/tree/cs/gemify/scss
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<CorySimmons> I'm not really sure what to put in the actual module for it… https://github.com/mojotech/jeet/blob/cs/gemify/scss/lib/jeet.rb#L4
<CorySimmons> Here's the actual library of mixins though https://github.com/mojotech/jeet/tree/cs/gemify/scss/jeet
<jhass> CorySimmons: what's your target platform? rails?
<CorySimmons> I'd like to hit them all
<CorySimmons> Rails, Sinatra, Compass
<CorySimmons> I don't know.. anything else really. =)
<jhass> reach out to the individual projects
<jhass> these are framework and you want to integrate with those frameworks
<jhass> there's nothing ruby general in that task
<CorySimmons> Ah okay, thanks
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<basichash> How do I randomly generate a 10 digit number?
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<BalkM> look for secure random in ruby
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<apeiros> basichash: rand(1_000_000_000..9_999_999_999)
<apeiros> and yes, securerandom if it's for anything relevant
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<basichash> thanks
<BalkM> apeiros, yeah - thanks you were a few seconds faster than i :)
<_lazarevsky_> howdy partners
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<apeiros> sadly securerandom doesn't seem to accept ranges. so manual min/max boxing
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<apeiros> basichash: or are leading zeros valid for your 10 digit number?
<jhass> hmm
<jhass> >> require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.random_number(10e10)
<basichash> apeiros: basically it's for user ids, so I suppose they would be valid
<DouweM> basichash: why are you getting using user ids?
* jhass slaps eval-in
<DouweM> *using random
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<apeiros> jhass: C require still broken?
<_lazarevsky_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/77c4e647bc9ee8ada6a1 <- I have the following structure. I am given a string which is one of the strings contains in the scenarios array in the hashes. Now given that string, how can I find the hash which contains that string in the scenarios section?? Thank you so much
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<jhass> >> require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.random_number(10e10)
<eval-in> jhass => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/136085)
<jhass> ^ explain me that
<jhass> >> require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.random_number(10e10.to_i)
<eval-in> jhass => 81751918393 (https://eval.in/136086)
<centrx> rand is about 50 times faster than SecureRandom
<DouweM> jhass: that's weird
<shevy> haha
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<jhass> oh
<jhass> >> require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.random_number(10.0)
<eval-in> jhass => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/136087)
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<centrx> basichash, You might want to use SecureRandom.uuid for unique IDs
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<jhass> it doesn't like floats
<jhass> at all
<DouweM> ah I see
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<DouweM> yeah, it calls n.to_s(16)
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<basichash> centrx: will look into it, cheers
<DouweM> #to_s doesn't have any args on Float, hence the error
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<_lazarevsky_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/77c4e647bc9ee8ada6a1 <- I have the following structure. I am given a string which is one of the strings contains in the scenarios array in the hashes. Now given that string, how can I find the hash which contains that string in the scenarios section?? Thank you so much
<DouweM> _lazarevsky_: please don't do that
<centrx> do what?
<_lazarevsky_> DouweM: I am sorry.
<_lazarevsky_> DouweM: see? that is what i re-posted :)
<DouweM> post the same message after 2 minutes because no-one answered the first time :/
<jhass> _lazarevsky_: given the previous answers to a very similar question, what are your attempts so far?
<_lazarevsky_> jhass: the solution you gave me initially would not work because it assumed that each hash only contains one scenario string
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<_lazarevsky_> jhass: it was my mistake because I didnt mention that the scenarios filed is an array
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<DouweM> _lazarevsky_: check out #find or #select and #include?
<jhass> _lazarevsky_: it's veeery easy to adapt to this one though
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<jhass> _lazarevsky_: so it doesn't look like you even attempted
<_lazarevsky_> jhass: I would figure it out on my own, but I am trying to find the most optimal solution time-wise
<_lazarevsky_> cuz I'll be querying the array n times each time an api call is made
<jhass> you didn't say so
<jhass> what data do you need?
<jhass> the whole hash?
<_lazarevsky_> I need to return the hash which contains the passed string
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<frege> I keep getting this error when I try to install something with gem
<frege> /usr/local/share/ruby/site_ruby/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- json/pure (LoadError)
<jhass> _lazarevsky_: do you have a place to keep the hash across api calls or do you build it each time?
<DouweM> _lazarevsky_: why not change your data structure to a Hash mapping that string to the related data. O(1) lookup baby!
<_lazarevsky_> I keep it in memory
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<DouweM> you can easily build that from the array you have no, fwiw
<jhass> _lazarevsky_: then the answer is also very easy to adapt to the previous very similar question you asked and DouweM just gave it again
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<_lazarevsky_> DouweM: well that is exactly the reason I'm here guys.. I'm new to ruby.. and for the time being we're not using any DB. this is a temp solution and I wanna get the best performance
<DouweM> you don't need a DB. change the data structure to a Hash
<DouweM> you know Hash, right?
<_lazarevsky_> but how expensive is the mapping operation?
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<DouweM> you only transform the DS once, so it doesn't matter, and any lookups on-API-call are O(1)
<frege> anyone?
<jhass> why care about that if you only need to do it on application boot?
<_lazarevsky_> jhass: DouweM: yea you're right
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<_lazarevsky_> by_text = Hash[hashes.map {|hash| [hash["text"][:s], hash] }]; by_text[string]
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<jhass> by_scenario = Hash[hashes.map {|hash| hash[:scenarios].map {|scenario| [scenario, hash] } }.flatten(1)]
<DouweM> jhass: I very much prefer the multi-line more readable version
<Rylee> Does Ruby have case fallthrough?
<banister> Rylee no
<DouweM> Rylee: nope
<Rylee> k
<Rylee> thanks
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<DouweM> Rylee: you can have multiple expressions per when statement though
<atmosx> I cant read that out o fthe box like that
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<_lazarevsky_> wow
<_lazarevsky_> jhass: thank you so much man!
<_lazarevsky_> DouweM: you too
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<DouweM> _lazarevsky_: if you care about readable code at all, please break that apart into a a couple of #each loops
<_lazarevsky_> I really appreaciate this greatly!
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<DouweM> but yeah, it works, as long as you run that only once and use the saved by_scenario at lookup
<jhass> DouweM: don't build hashes with #each :( at least use #each_with_object({})
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<DouweM> jhass: I'm curious, why? Why not just hash = {} before the #each?
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<jhass> it's easier lost
<jhass> and harder to connect
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<jhass> to the loop
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<DouweM> ah all right. but no performance difference right?
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<DouweM> I can see why it would be clearer
<jhass> very little stuff in ruby is about performance
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<DouweM> jhass: I know, but you sounded like there's something wrong with `hash = {}; #each` itself
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<DouweM> readability/obviousness is a good argument against it of course
<Rylee> DouweM, err, like
<Rylee> when 'list' or nil
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<DouweM> when 'list', nil
<jhass> I'm moving to value readability over performance, especially in ruby
<Rylee> alright DouweM thanks
<jhass> if I need performance I rarely do ruby anyway
<DouweM> jhass: for sure
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<DouweM> jhass: misunderstanding, is all
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<jordila> dear #ruby community, newbie here...
<DouweM> hello newbie
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<jordila> i (apparently) have installed ruby 2.0.0 correctly through rvm in my Debian... thus , should'nt 'ruby -v' show the installed version ? :-/
<crome> jhass: +1
<jhass> jordila: after rvm use 2.0, yes
<jordila> is there any other way to double check ?
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<crome> jordila: ruby -v shows the version that has an executable in your PATH
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<etqqkoiflwhb> jordila: did you open a new tab/window? rvm adds a line to .bashrc
<etqqkoiflwhb> you have to reload bash/zsh
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<jordila> thanks guys...
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<etqqkoiflwhb> jordila: what was the issue?
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<jordila> Not able to see 'ruby -v' yet :-/ so, mmh.... if i open a new terminal tab, and type it again... nothing changes
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<jhass> jordila: did you run rvm use 2.0 yet?
<etqqkoiflwhb> yea, rvm use 2.0 --default
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<DouweM> jordila: what are you seeing? command not found or something else?
<Rylee> Is there any reason this (https://gist.github.com/rylai-/98d39c469025d8f8711e ) should produce the error in the comment?
<jordila> nop jhass :-D
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<jordila> DouweM , after 'rvm use 2.0 --default' , now i'm getting some warnings regarding my shell... let me see
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<crome> Rylee: I suspect the line before the case statement
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<jordila> (seems that i need to change my terminal emulator preferences to allow login shell, in order to be able to run run 'rvm use 2.0 ... )
<jhass> Rylee: you must call methods with () on the right hand side of <<
<DouweM> Rylee: note that cmd.dwncase will never be nil
<Rylee> ohhhhhhhh, okay
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<crome> oh, I didnt even spot that one
<Rylee> DouweM, jhass okay, thanks
<jhass> yeah, it's one of the weird aspects of the parser
<DouweM> Rylee: in Ruby, parentheses are usually not omitted anyway
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<jhass> uh, I'd say that the other way around
<Rylee> that's precisely the opposite of what I do and see
<Rylee> :p
<DouweM> jhass: you would?
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<centrx> It varies
<jhass> DouweM: I even leave them off at method defs :P
<DouweM> jhass: most Ruby code I read uses parentheses everywhere
<crome> I tend to use parentheses with a few exceptions such as puts
<DouweM> jhass: I'm pretty sure that's what the big style guides say as well :P
<jhass> it's about 50/50 for the one I read
<DouweM> in my experience, it usually is left off when you're dealing with DSL, but not in simple cases like this
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<etqqkoiflwhb> DouweM: yep, only excuses are dsls and put (or awesome_print)
<jhass> where in the first one? only see it for def
<dorei> if omitting parentheses make it more beautiful to my eyes, i tend to omit them :)
<DouweM> just noticed the former is based off of the latter, so that doesn't say much, just that GH agrees
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<DouweM> jhass: "Omit parentheses for method calls with no arguments."
<DouweM> jhass: implying...
<DouweM> and check all of the code on that page :P
<DouweM> and "Omit both the outer braces and parentheses for methods that are part of an internal DSL."
<DouweM> which is pretty much what I see in the wild
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<DouweM> oh, it's there explicitly: "Use parentheses around the arguments of all other method invocations."
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<jhass> in the second one, don't see it in the first
<DouweM> wait, that's the bbatsov one I'm quoting. But from the code, it seems GH agrees
<DouweM> yeah
<jhass> http://sideeffect.kr/popularconvention#ruby sadly only evaluated it for def
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<DouweM> jhass: lame
<DouweM> but "Omit parentheses when there aren't any arguments" implies the default being parentheses
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<shevy> well you have to decide for one way anyway
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<jordila> ( got 2.0.0 installed ... thanks #ruby )
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<stephenmac7> How do I pass a block as a proc?
<stephenmac7> Err... proc as a block
<jhass> method(&proc)
<stephenmac7> Error: `&' interpreted as argument prefix.
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<DouweM> stephenmac7: post all yo code
<jhass> huh?
<jhass> >> def foo; end; a_proc = proc { }; foo(&a_proc)
<eval-in> jhass => nil (https://eval.in/136089)
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<jhass> hm, ruby -c doesn't like method &a_proc too, so try format.html(&action)
<stephenmac7> Actually, it doesn't work anyway.
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<jhass> sure it does
<stephenmac7> I'm trying to fix a "ActionController::ActionControllerError: Cannot redirect to nil!" issue for rails.
<jhass> oh, I thought you'd want to save typing or something
<stephenmac7> Even if I create the block before destroying the line_item, it seems it still thinks line_item.cart is nil
<zorak> any non-american comedy film to watch??
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<stephenmac7> Honestly, I just didn't know what the destroy method did to the object and I though it might work to save the action before destroying the object
<jhass> you save a reference to the object, not a copy
<stephenmac7> Right, so it should still be there.
<jhass> and the code is evaluated when you call it
<stephenmac7> Oh, I didn't know that last part
<stephenmac7> That makes sense though :P
<jhass> that's about the point of a closure, defer execution (and control over execution) to somebody else
<stephenmac7> Anyway, why on earth is cart nil?
<jhass> stephenmac7: that's impossible to tell from that code
<dorei> zorak: if u're into french sureal comedies ;-)
<stephenmac7> jhass: It's a test error, but as an actual user, it works perfectly
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<stephenmac7> So, it's probably the test that's causing the issue, not the destroy method of the controller
<jhass> yep, probably insufficient setup
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<jhass> or insufficient validations in the model in the first place
<apeiros> 23:18 stephenmac7: Error: `&' interpreted as argument prefix.
<apeiros> you get that because you didn't use parenthesis
<stephenmac7> Though I'm using "assert_not_nil @line_item.cart" right before I call the method
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<stephenmac7> apeiros: Oh, those are manditory?
<apeiros> `foo &bar` could be interpreted as either `foo(&bar)` or as `foo & bar`
<stephenmac7> Oh, I see.
<apeiros> stephenmac7: no. but your code is ambiguous and ruby tells you how it's interpreted.
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<apeiros> I don't see how you get "Error: `&'", though.
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<apeiros> I only get "warning:", and that too only with warnings enabled
<stephenmac7> apeiros: ruby -c
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<apeiros> that doesn't give me an error either
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<stephenmac7> I don't know. I'm using a SublimeLinter plugin that gave me that error.
<jhass> yellow dot = warning
<jhass> (I'm using that too)
<stephenmac7> Then why did it say error at the bottom in gray?
<jhass> beause it always does
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<stephenmac7> Ah, didn't know that
<jhass> the error prefix comes from sublimelinter I think
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<stephenmac7> jhass: Well, got it fixed by editing the fixture rather than trying to do it from the controller or test
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<jhass> invalid fixture totally is a subset of insufficient test setup for me ;)
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<_lazarevsky_> Hash[results.map {|hash| hash[:scenario].map {|scenario| [test, hash] } }.flatten(1)] <- what exactly is happening here? Create a hash -> iterate over the array -> extract the values test and hash and then flatten the returned result>
<_lazarevsky_> what am I missing? Where is the index to each of the hashes being applied?
<_lazarevsky_> how would the thing be different if scenario was not an array but a string
<jhass> a hash doesn't have an index, arrays do. hashes have keys
<_lazarevsky_> yea sorry that's what I meant
<jhass> you got the string version already in the by_text version
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<jhass> and it creates an array of arrays of two element arrays, flatten(1) makes an array of two element arrays out of that and Hash[] makes a hash of an array of two element arrays, the first element of the two element arrays as key, the second element as value
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<_lazarevsky_> #mindblown
<_lazarevsky_> ruby is amazing
<apeiros> flat_map instead of map {}.flatten(1) IMO
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<jhass> er, yeah, somehow I always forget flat_map. I think part of me still thinks it's .flatten.map
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<shevy> the name is so weird
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<apeiros> you too think they should have called it flap? :)
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> that would actually be better than flat_map
<shevy> we already have tap
<shevy> so why not flap
<shevy> and we have map
<shevy> perhaps also a method called crap
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<crome> #fap
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<DouweM> hey, the noob's back!
<noob101> for def test_changing_hashes
<noob101> why is expected == hash? I don't get it
<noob101> Hello DouweM
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<jhass> noob101: because hash[:one] = "eins" replaces "uno" with "eins"
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<shevy> noob101 please use URL shorteners like goo.gl
<noob101> shevy, I would but I don't know how :(
<noob101> jhass ah
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<shevy> noob101 you go to that url, then copy the longer url, et voila
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<noob101> shevy um confused.
<noob101> Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, music to my ears~
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<shevy> noob101 go there: http://goo.gl/
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<shevy> then you type in that url and you get this back: http://goo.gl/PVG6xv
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<noob101> shevy thanks
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<morenoh149> is there a way for a gemfile to specify ruby version 2.0.0-p451 ?
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<morenoh149> 2.0.0-p451 or greater?
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<morenoh149> is there a way to specify patchlevel greater than or equal to 451?
<centrx> I don't think so
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<morenoh149> :/ that's dumb, I need patch level at least 451 but I don't want to force future devs to use it if there's a later release
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<DouweM> For those with whom I was talking about the Netherlands yesterday: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/04/glow-in-the-dark-roads-make-debut-in-netherlands/
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<shevy> cool
<shevy> how does that work?
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<shevy> it is fluorescent paint?
<DouweM> special paint
<DouweM> yup, I guess so
<DouweM> "Special paint will also be used to paint markers like snowflakes across the road's surface -- when temperatures fall to a certain point, these images will become visible, indicating that the surface will likely be slippery. "
<DouweM> very cool
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<shevy> yeah the idea is cool
<shevy> I can't imagine it to be very durable or reliable though
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<crucify_me> http://pastie.org/9078376 hi if I flatten and call size separately I get a different result than if they are called together...?
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<crucify_me> i.e. after I flatten the array the elements are still three instead of 9.
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<dorei> crucify_me: try flatten!
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<dorei> many methods come in two variants, one with an exlamation mark at the end and one without
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<dorei> exclamation i guess :p
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<crucify_me> sorry dorei I saw that just seconds before you answered. thanks. I'm quick to ask for help (bad form) thanks!
<dorei> np
<crucify_me> dorei what would be a practical case for flattening an array?
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<dorei> i have a monster to show you :p
<dorei> >> def x(n) ([(today = Date.today)] << n.times.map{|x| today = today.prev_day}).flatten.map(&:to_s) end ; x(5)
<eval-in> dorei => undefined method `today' for Date:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/136111)
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<dorei> >> require 'date' ; def x(n) ([(today = Date.today)] << n.times.map{|x| today = today.prev_day}).flatten.map(&:to_s) end ; x(5)
<eval-in> dorei => ["2014-04-14", "2014-04-13", "2014-04-12", "2014-04-11", "2014-04-10", "2014-04-09"] (https://eval.in/136112)
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<crucify_me> dorei many thanks sifting through it....
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<withnale> Hello.
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<morenoh149> waddup
<withnale> Does anyone know how to setup optionparser to match the switches you specifiy, but leave switches you don't in argv ?
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<withnale> I'm tried playing with order!, permute! and parse!
<centrx> Does OptionParser really empty ARGV?
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<centrx> hm I guess it does
<centrx> withnale, Could you save ARGV before the parse, and then assign it afterwards?
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<withnale> I can get it to empty... which is fine.
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<withnale> however, I want to have my argv with 'myprog --arg1 XXX --arg2 YYY --arg3 subcommand --arg4'...
<apeiros> dorei: td = Date.today; td.step(td-7, -1).map(&:to_s)
<withnale> and if I run optparser to match only arg1 and arg2 I want arg3 and arg4 left unmodified in ARGV
<apeiros> centrx, withnale: it pays to read the docs. parse! is destructive, parse is not. also you can pass in the array to process.
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<withnale> apeiros: thats fine, but that's not what I'm trying to do
<withnale> and I have read the docs :D
<apeiros> ah, sorry. should have read the backlog. I see.
<withnale> Lets make it more concrete. I have global options and local options - imagine a global option as '--debug'. I want that to match anywhere...
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<withnale> So this is valid... 'myprog --debug --arg2 YYY --arg3 subcommand --arg4'...
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<withnale> and so is this... 'myprog --arg2 YYY --arg3 subcommand --arg4 --debug '...
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<withnale> I was hoping I could run optionparser in two rounds - one to pick off the globaloptions and one for the subcommand specific options
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<withnale> btw: I'm deliberately not using gli, methadone, thor et al
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<dorei> apeiros: thanks for saving me from my monster :)
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<popl> apeiros the conqueror
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<shevy> conquer the apeiros
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<InfraRuby> shevy: tmi
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