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<hashkey> ;;ticker
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<Wardrop> Is there a nice way in Ruby to check if a string is an integer, without using Regex? Like as a pre-condition for Integer("5").
<erikh> uh
<erikh> so, Integer("5") will raise if it's not an integer
<erikh> >> Integer("HERP")
<Wardrop> Yep, an argument error
<eval-in> erikh => invalid value for Integer(): "HERP" (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/33731)
<erikh> so, is there some reason you can't use that?
<erikh> >> if (Integer("foo") rescue nil); true; else false; end
<eval-in> erikh => false (https://eval.in/33732)
<Wardrop> Well, it's pretty verbose: begin; int = Integer(str); rescue ArgumentError; end
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<erikh> if you want the long form, make a method
<erikh> you could also use String#to_i, but that would yield 0 for both 0 and invalid stuff ala atoi()
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<Wardrop> I'm going to raise an issue for this. There really should be a built-in is_numeric? or is_integer? method.
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<freedrull> if you have to check the class of something, that's kind of a smell don't you think
<erikh> >> def to_integer(a); return Integer(a) rescue nil; end; [to_integer(1), to_integer("a")]
<eval-in> erikh => [1, nil] (https://eval.in/33733)
<erikh> I'm not sure it needs to exist
<erikh> activesupport probably has something
<erikh> but then .. you have activesupport
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<whitequark> Wardrop: easiest way is /\A\d+\z/
<whitequark> >> Integer("0x20")
<eval-in> whitequark => 32 (https://eval.in/33734)
<whitequark> oh, no, Integer is more clever than that and can recognize hexadecimal and octal and probably binary
<whitequark> >> "0x20".to_i
<eval-in> whitequark => 0 (https://eval.in/33735)
<whitequark> to_i cannot.
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<freedrull> is there a difference between stubbing a request like this https://github.com/octokit/octokit.rb/blob/master/spec/octokit/client/pulls_spec.rb#L13 and using something like VCR to do a similar thing
<Wardrop> @freedfull We're not checking Class, but rather whether coercion to a particular class is safe. Even then, checking for Class in Ruby isn't an automatic code smell. I do it all the time for Hash, if for example I rely on the behaviour of hash, and not just a random method like #each. If you have a class that's completely compatible with Hash and expect it to be treated as fully compartible, it should inherit from Hash in my opinion.
<Wardrop> freedrull: That was at you
<freedrull> Wardrop: fair enough :)]
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<erikh> whitequark: #to_i takes an argument
<erikh> >> "0x20".to_i(16)
<eval-in> erikh => 32 (https://eval.in/33742)
<erikh> it's not as smart as it will figure it out for you, but it has all the bits necessary
<erikh> (that's a pun, for what it's worth)
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<Newbie0086> oops
<Newbie0086> Invalid gemspec in [/var/lib/gems/1.9.1/specifications/ZenTest-4.9.2.gemspec]: Illformed requirement ["< 2.1, >= 1.8"]
<hackeron> is there a ruby way to check how full a filesystem is in percentage? - I mean without parsing the output of df or anything like that
<Newbie0086> can someone tell me what's wrong
<wnd> I'm not sure what's wrong, but iirc updating bundler should help (e.g. "gem install bundler"). happened to be after upgrading rvm.
<wnd> happened to me, even
<whitequark> erikh: oh, that's even more horrible
<whitequark> imagine the potential for abuse
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<erikh> oh, I've abused .to_i(2) to do bit vectors
<erikh> not going to say it was smart, but it was easy
<erikh> note that Integer#to_s works the same way
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<erikh> >> 32.to_s(2)
<eval-in> erikh => "100000" (https://eval.in/33743)
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<erikh> Newbie0086: gem env, please?
<erikh> what version of rubygems?
<erikh> I just installed it fine on 2.0
<Newbie0086> root@kali:~# gem env
<Newbie0086> Invalid gemspec in [/var/lib/gems/1.9.1/specifications/ZenTest-4.9.2.gemspec]: Illformed requirement ["< 2.1, >= 1.8"]
<Newbie0086> - RUBYGEMS VERSION: 1.8.23
<Newbie0086> RubyGems Environment:
<Newbie0086> - RUBY VERSION: 1.9.3 (2012-04-20 patchlevel 194) [x86_64-linux]
<Newbie0086> - INSTALLATION DIRECTORY: /var/lib/gems/1.9.1
<Newbie0086> - RUBY EXECUTABLE: /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1
<whitequark> erikh: no, not that kind of abuse
<Newbie0086> - EXECUTABLE DIRECTORY: /usr/local/bin
* erikh sighs
<Newbie0086> - RUBYGEMS PLATFORMS:
<whitequark> Newbie0086: please, use pastebin
<Newbie0086> - ruby
<Newbie0086> - x86_64-linux
<Newbie0086> - GEM PATHS:
<Newbie0086> - /var/lib/gems/1.9.1
<Newbie0086> - /root/.gem/ruby/1.9.1
<Newbie0086> - /usr/share/rubygems-integration/1.9.1
<Newbie0086> - GEM CONFIGURATION:
<Newbie0086> - :update_sources => true
<erikh> Newbie0086: don't do that, please.
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<Newbie0086> - :verbose => true
<Newbie0086> - :benchmark => false
<Newbie0086> - :backtrace => false
<Newbie0086> - :bulk_threshold => 1000
* erikh taps his foot
<Newbie0086> - :sources => ["http://ruby.taobao.org/"]
<Newbie0086> - REMOTE SOURCES:
<Newbie0086> wait ,my poor English....
<whitequark> erikh: he was shaped by freenode
<erikh> Newbie0086: please do not paste so much content into the channel
<erikh> whitequark: nobody on freenode tolerates that
<Newbie0086> ok
<whitequark> erikh: sure. it's just that he could not stop
<Newbie0086> so sorry
<erikh> whitequark: seems like there was a communication issue
<erikh> Newbie0086: no problem -- next time, use https://gist.github.com
<Newbie0086> ok....
<whitequark> erikh: ok. by abuse I meant slipping data past the radar...
<erikh> Newbie0086: so, I notice you're not using a source @ rubygems.org ?
<Newbie0086> u know the website cannot visit in china
<erikh> oh, I see.
<erikh> ok.
<whitequark> erikh: it's good that it does not "helpfully" detect the base by itself. but I can well imagine a case where this leads to a security hole
<erikh> whitequark: one sec.
<erikh> Newbie0086: so, I've installed it here just fine. I'm going to guess something else is up.
<erikh> try this at your shell: gem pristine
<erikh> do not paste the output here :P
<erikh> whitequark: hmm. I'm not seeing it
<Newbie0086> ok
<erikh> I could see data getting "weird"
<Newbie0086> ..
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<Newbie0086> erikh how can i solve the problem
<erikh> Newbie0086: 'gem pristine'
<erikh> try that..
<whitequark> erikh: the idea is that #to_i doesn't follow its contract
<Newbie0086> ok
<whitequark> erikh: the documentation does not describe the 0x-munging part!
<erikh> whitequark: it's atoi and friends
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<erikh> whitequark: well, with all respect to zzak
<erikh> a decade ago you RTFS
<erikh> because documentation was a f'n joke
<whitequark> erikh: no, it isn't. atoi does not exist in rubyland. overwhelming majority of ruby programmers are not even aware of atoi's existence.
<erikh> whitequark: atoi exists in to_i
<erikh> I'm pretty sure the C just calls it for the base 10 case
<whitequark> erikh: it's an irrelevant implementation detail, which, if what you're saying is true, is leaking into ruby-land and causing a bug.
<erikh> it behaves *exactly* like atoi
<whitequark> lemme check
<erikh> I'm not saying you're inherently wrong
<erikh> but it is the way things are and have been
<erikh> if you want proper integer handling, you use Integer()
<whitequark> erikh: want me to parse all rubygems sources for you and count the to_i's/Integer's?
<whitequark> also no, it isn't atoi.
<whitequark> the call chain eventually leads to http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/bignum.c#576.
<erikh> rb_str_to_inum
<whitequark> which has several pages of logic dedicated to splitting out base
<erikh> bignum?
<erikh> ha
<erikh> man,
<erikh> MRI
<erikh> .
<erikh> jesus.
<whitequark> erikh: bignum, so? it makes sense; you don't know how long the number is
<whitequark> also, it's full of goto's... I've no idea what it actually does
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<erikh> it's also indented with classic MRI tabs and spaces
<erikh> going to a corner to cry now
<whitequark> ohhh right!
<whitequark> you seem to understand wtf is going in mri whitespace
<whitequark> please explain, I want to fix rxr
<erikh> haha
<erikh> hahahahahahahahhaah
<erikh> hahahahahha
* erikh laughs some more
<whitequark> ...
<erikh> oh man.
<Newbie0086> i execute gem pristine --all but the problem also still
<erikh> whitequark: there is no "going on" with mri whitespace
<erikh> there are like 800 committers with different whitespace settings and nobody gives any fucks
<erikh> Newbie0086: hmm. I don't know at this point, I'm sorry
<erikh> maybe try in #rubygems?
<whitequark> siiigh
<erikh> whitequark: yeah. that's the cold truth, man.
<Newbie0086> erIkh: thanks any
<whitequark> zenspider said me once that rxr's whitespace handling was screwed up
<whitequark> implying that there is a saner way to do it
<whitequark> well, whatever
<erikh> Newbie0086: best of luck. sometimes that happens, but that's not actually a broken requirement, which is what's interesting
<erikh> whitequark: there probably is a way to clean a bit of it up
<erikh> set tabs to two spaces or something
<Cremno> tabs are 8 spaces
<erikh> Cremno: not in a lot of source code
<erikh> the "advantage" of using tabs for everything is that the end-user can tune whitespace settings to how they prefer it.
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<whitequark> it still looks like a clusterfuck, but less clusterfuck?
<Newbie0086> erIkh: haha may reinstall can solve anything
<erikh> whitequark: yeah, that looks better.
<whitequark> that's tab=8 spaces
<erikh> haha really?!
<erikh> I see a lot of 4-space indent in there
<erikh> man
<whitequark> maybe it's tab-tab-halftab?
<whitequark> oh right, some editors out there have a "half-tab" setting
<erikh> yeah, my head hurts thinking about all this crap
<whitequark> oh god why do i read string.c
<whitequark> is it a rule that string handling must be completely insane
<erikh> masochism?
<erikh> gc.c is special too, but I suspect you know
<whitequark> likely
<whitequark> oh, gc.c
<whitequark> unlike string.c, I don't understand a slightest bit of gc.c, and I do not intend that to change
<erikh> (void *)(0)
<whitequark> so, the damage evades my brain
<erikh> not at the top
<erikh> like 3000 lines in
<whitequark> erikh: hahaha, this is UB
<erikh> in a static global member
<whitequark> anything you can do with that pointer is UB and the compiler can just launch nethack.
<erikh> still
<erikh> you'd think something that's going to *manage memory* would put that at the top of the damned file
<whitequark> erikh: can't find your example
<erikh> it may be gone now
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<erikh> it was in 1.8 or 1.9
<whitequark> likely it is gone because some compiler indeed did launch nethack
<whitequark> like, dunno, clang.
<whitequark> do you know what clang did in llvm 3.1 when it detected certain forms of UB?
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<whitequark> it has this kind of twisted logic unique only to the C standard
<whitequark> "ok, at the end of this function there's UB... so there is some invariant which I cannot observe which prevents the control from ever reaching the end of this function... so I won't emit any epilogue for it and just let it run into whatever's next in the executable"
<whitequark> "... without ever notifying the user, of course, because fuck users"
<erikh> yeah, looks like it's been torched
<whitequark> was it replaced by memzero? http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/gc.c?v=1.8.7-p370#438
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<erikh> yeah, dunno. been years since I've looked
<erikh> everytime I dig in there I get scared and pee myself
<erikh> if it's not obvious I'm a little cranky tonight
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<hackeron> anyone knows how do I get the total number of megabytes on the filesystem with sys-filesystem?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<Lennier> hi, is it possible to use nokogiri gem version 1.6.0 with ruby 1.8.7
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<erikh> injekt: ^
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<kke> so, foo = String case foo when String ... end do i have to use .to_s because String === String => false ?
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<kke> hmm, case foo.object_id when String.object_id .. this bad? :)
<erikh> you could use #object_id
<erikh> I've had to do it a few times
<erikh> it's fast, at least.
<kke> beats to_s
<erikh> :)
<kke> i'm not sure if my design of passing classes as parameters is any good anyways
<kke> maybe i should have some kind of magical extender that checks the class of target
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<erikh> depends on what you're trying to do, really.
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: project suggestion:
<yorickpeterse> bash-parser
<yorickpeterse> because Bash looks really easy to parse
* yorickpeterse runs
<erikh> sh should be really easy
<erikh> bash... not so much
<yorickpeterse> Hell, even the # sign has at least 3 meanings
<yorickpeterse> #comment
<yorickpeterse> #!/bin/fuckyou
<yorickpeterse> and ${#some_array[@]}
<erikh> haha
<erikh> so much more than that.
<yorickpeterse> And I think you can also use it for regexes somewhere
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: #!/bin/fuckyou is a comment
<erikh> ${"text"##"bar"}
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: yes, but it does have a different meaning
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: not in bash
<yorickpeterse> erikh: ah yes
<charliesome> the kernel gives it its meaning
<erikh> ^
<yorickpeterse> hm
<erikh> that's why you can run scripts without a shell
<yorickpeterse> also
<yorickpeterse> I like it how `[[ !-f derp ]]` is a syntax error
<yorickpeterse> and how that then fucks up my history
<yorickpeterse> while ! -f derp is valid
<erikh> [[ ]] is a builtin
<charliesome> i'm pretty sure bash has like no syntax
<yorickpeterse> I know, I'm specifically talking about `!-something` vs `! -something` here
<charliesome> and its all just shelling out
<erikh> use /usr/bin/test or /usr/bin/[ if you want a shell
<erikh> charliesome: nah, bash moves most of it into the shell itself
<yorickpeterse> wait, /usr/bin/[ is a command?
<erikh> that's the big difference between it and traditional bourne shell
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: on modern systems yes
<erikh> yorickpeterse: you have a copy of ls, don't you?
<yorickpeterse> ha, it is
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: on antique systems, look in /bin/[
<yorickpeterse> wtf
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: I run hipster OS
<erikh> yorickpeterse: should be symlinked to /usr/bin/test
<yorickpeterse> so it's in /usr/bin
<erikh> man test
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: which os is that?
<yorickpeterse> erikh: it's not
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: Arch linux
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: right on
<erikh> maybe a hard link then
<charliesome> arch is the best server os
<erikh> either way they should be the same size, heh
<yorickpeterse> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 8 May 21 17:50 2to3 -> 2to3-3.3
<yorickpeterse> haha python
<erikh> charliesome: I hope you're kidding
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: it's fucking shit for servers
<yorickpeterse> unless you have only a single box to worry about
<erikh> couldn't imagine managing hundreds of arch machines
<erikh> I'd commit seppuku
<yorickpeterse> ^
<erikh> ubuntu's bad enough
<yorickpeterse> Manual server updates as a service
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<erikh> anyhow -- bash and zsh do most of the heavy shell script lifting internal to the shell
<yorickpeterse> ubuntu
<erikh> man builtin / man zshbuiltins for more info
<erikh> which is why echo and /usr/bin/echo have different arguments.
<yorickpeterse> I don't use hipstershell
<erikh> hipstershell?
<yorickpeterse> I tried Fish but the autocomplete/colouring actually pissed me off
<yorickpeterse> (zsh)
<erikh> silly wabbit
<erikh> zsh is the emacs of shells.
<yorickpeterse> pretty much
<yorickpeterse> Fish is basically zsh with rainbows
<erikh> either way, for this case they work exactly the same
<charliesome> erikh, yorickpeterse: i have one server
<charliesome> works fine
<erikh> and both are ksh derivatives
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: exactly, not try doing https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/ with more than 5 servers
<charliesome> for servers.count > 1 then arch would be a bit crappy
<yorickpeterse> or various other big changes of the past
<yorickpeterse> e.g. the move to systemd
<yorickpeterse> (fuck systemd)
<charliesome> systemd works fine for me
<erikh> systemd is a bad smf
<charliesome> erikh: its better than initscripts
<yorickpeterse> from a user perspective it's actually better than sysvinit
<yorickpeterse> but fuck the journal
<yorickpeterse> and fuck the service files
<erikh> smf has been solving this problem for close to a decade
<charliesome> from the perspective of someone who just wants a process to start at boot
<erikh> they could have just ported it from solaris.
<yorickpeterse> and fuck the locations where you can save them (hint: at least 3, 4 if user sessions are enabled)
<charliesome> systemd is FAR better than sysvinit
<yorickpeterse> true
<yorickpeterse> fuck update-rc.d
* yorickpeterse is writing Bash, go figure
<charliesome> i have never written a working initscript
<charliesome> that shit is too hard
<yorickpeterse> to install Java
<yorickpeterse> which doesn't want to install
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: shit's easy on debian
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<yorickpeterse> [ERROR] The build could not read 3 projects -> [Help 1]
<yorickpeterse> AJHSDHASDKJ:ASD
<charliesome> service files are heaps easy
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<yorickpeterse> It was my understanding that Maven could install shit
<yorickpeterse> Guess I was wrong
<yorickpeterse> OH YOU HAVE SOME MODULES? SORT IT OUT YOURSELF - Maven
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: init.d is pretty easy: https://gist.github.com/YorickPeterse/bd0ef0bf7f0393a1be2b
<yorickpeterse> anyway, back to hating on Maven
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: that looks far more complicated than a simple little ini file
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<yorickpeterse> for basic stuff systemd config files are a lot easier
<yorickpeterse> because at least everything is following the same standard
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<charliesome> services should have never had to daemonize themselves
<yorickpeterse> ...
<erikh> or ported launchd from os x.
<erikh> the NIHness of systemd is just ... off the charts
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<erikh> I agree with that
<erikh> but that's not reality
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<charliesome> it's so good to be able to say
<erikh> tracking daemonized pids is a pain in the ass
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<charliesome> "here start this program, when you're shutting down, kill it"
<charliesome> like systemd, start-stop-daemon and friends let you do
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<erikh> you have to basically do some black magic to track it over the double fork
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: except you can now no longer monitor it with a supervisor
<erikh> yorickpeterse: actually it's easier if it doesn't daemonize
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<yorickpeterse> because god knows where systemd keeps the pid files
<erikh> for the reasons I mentioned above
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: probably in memory
<yorickpeterse> erikh: assuming you're not using systemd between it, yes
<erikh> it's just a child process
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<erikh> you can do the kill/waitpid dance and call it a day.
<yorickpeterse> monit -> your shit is easier than monit -> systemd -> your shit
<erikh> monit is pretty buggy
<yorickpeterse> oh?
<yorickpeterse> (hint: systemd isn't an actual supervisor in my opinion)
<erikh> yeah, you can get it to crap out if you hit it with enough commands in a short period of time
<yorickpeterse> since its resource management system is quite laughable
<charliesome> hasn't systemd subsumed monit's job by now anyway
<yorickpeterse> no
<erikh> different problems for different cases really
<yorickpeterse> Systemd has pretty limited options when it comes to locking down resources
<erikh> monit's a nice userspace supervisor
<yorickpeterse> it also can't send notifications as far as I'm aware of
<erikh> runit is generally more flexible, though
<erikh> circus looks really interesting
<yorickpeterse> runit is a "roll your own supervisor"
<erikh> new mozilla thing
<erikh> not any moreso than monit if you know how to write shell scripts.
<yorickpeterse> Interesting enough I always had problems killing runit
<erikh> that's because it's not supposed to die.
<yorickpeterse> kill -9 all the things # => starts new shit, YO DAWG
<yorickpeterse> erikh: it is if you remove it from init and kill everything
<yorickpeterse> e.g. because it's bugged
<erikh> you didn't kill it in the right order
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<erikh> pretty sure it was operator error.
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<yorickpeterse> Pretty sure that if I kill all the services first (the proper way) and then kill all the runsvdir programs it should die
<yorickpeterse> Either way
<yorickpeterse> After 2 years of Runit I kinda got tired of having to do a lot myself
<erikh> actually, that's backwards.
<erikh> you kill the runit supervisors first
<yorickpeterse> but it's one of the few that actually allows you to easily set up user specific services
<yorickpeterse> if not the only one
<erikh> which actually kills the services too but let's not split hairs.
<yorickpeterse> systemd is a pain here too since it needs a bunch of stuff and up until recently needed a dbus patch
<erikh> nah, daemontools which it's modeled after
<yorickpeterse> never used that
<erikh> it's pretty old.
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<erikh> Written by a guy named Dan Bernstein
<erikh> made qmail, and djbdns
<erikh> pretty prolific security nut
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<gnufied> i must be crazy to stick to upstart
<gnufied> :/
<erikh> does upstart track a double-fork yet/
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<erikh> it didn't last time I played with it, was a FPITA to work around
<erikh> I just avoid upstart for all things ubuntu that it manages itself
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<yorickpeterse> oh, and I forgot: systemd can rotate the binary log for you
<erikh> ssh? sure, go ahead ubuntu.
<yorickpeterse> But surprise! IT DOESN'T
<gnufied> no, I think it does not track double fork yet. you need to give it some handle
<yorickpeterse> at least not in my case until I fucked around with the configs for a while
<erikh> gnufied: bummer.
<erikh> anyhow; circus. circus is leet shit.
<gnufied> what is the verdict though? systemd is best?
<erikh> I like smf
<erikh> but you need solaris for it.
<erikh> launchd is also nice, but isn't exactly going to be on a server anytime soon.
<erikh> supervisor options worth looking at on linux are runit and monit
<erikh> and circus if you have many servers.
<gnufied> i hated monit. i have used it long back though.
<erikh> it hasn't changed much
<erikh> it's horrible for actually monitoring things
<yorickpeterse> erikh: link to circus plz
<erikh> but it's pretty good at the whole process management thing.
<yorickpeterse> really all I care about is "restart this if it goes down" and "put it on resource leash"
<erikh> yorickpeterse: quorum (paxos) restarts of services
<erikh> from groups of servers.
<erikh> that
<yorickpeterse> quarum?
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<erikh> it votes to do rolling restarts
<gnufied> ha ha, circus reminds me of a library I wrote.
<erikh> it's for managing big networks.
<gnufied> </pimp>
<gnufied> the ini format
<yorickpeterse> erikh: the whole sentence " quorum (paxos) restarts of services " doesn't make sense to me
<yorickpeterse> ah
<erikh> basically it's coordinating whole networks of machines to restart services in a safe way
<erikh> and manage them of course
<yorickpeterse> hm, circus looks interesting
<gnufied> yorickpeterse: https://github.com/arya/bluepill ?
<erikh> it's something I was working on with my own thing
<erikh> never got near completion though.
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: I don't want to spin up a Ruby VM for this stuff
<yorickpeterse> same reason I don't use God
<erikh> bluepill is horrible
<erikh> so is god
<erikh> anyhow
<yorickpeterse> also because God is memory hungry, at least used to
* erikh &
<yorickpeterse> erikh: pffff, tmux already you scrub
<erikh> ?
<erikh> I use znc
<erikh> and tmux
<erikh> and weechat
<erikh> so go to hell
<yorickpeterse> oh, the & wasn't a refernece to background commands?
<yorickpeterse> * reference
<erikh> no, it meant I'm going to bed.
<erikh> backgrounding myself.
<erikh> it's something old nerds do to each other.
<erikh> anyhow!
* erikh &
<gnufied> don't forget to double fork and make someone else session leader
<erikh> gnufied: :P
<yorickpeterse> haha
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<injekt> oops, only just seen that hilight
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<yorickpeterse> first world problems: our temp internet is not fast enough to download a 10GB indexes collection in a reasonable amount of time
<yorickpeterse> first world benefits: this would only take around 15 minutes at home
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<relix> yorickpeterse where are you located right now then?
<relix> africa?
<relix> or is it just the specific connection you have there, not the general state of infrastructure
<relix> that would probably make more sense
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<yorickpeterse> relix: .nl
<yorickpeterse> We have temp internet and it's shit
<yorickpeterse> as in, probably 20mbps or so that's shared with 14 people
<yorickpeterse> of which all are streaming music and what not
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<yorickpeterse> if I'm lucky I can pull out around 800 kb/sec
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: 800 kb/sec sounds good
<charliesome> my connection tops out at 1 MB/s
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<yorickpeterse> Yes, but you live in new Alcatraz
<yorickpeterse> I live in wannabe-USA
<yorickpeterse> internet here is generally pretty fast
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<gnufied> yorickpeterse: go to ongoing dreamhack in nearby sweden and complete that download?
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<yorickpeterse> too far away
<relix> "nearby"
<yorickpeterse> why spend a good few hours getting there either by train or plane when I can be home in an hour?
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<injekt> har
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<injekt> drbrain: I'm thinking of dropping ntlm support in mechanize unless you have the patience to fix and maintain it?
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<darix> injekt: is moving it into a plugin for bit rot an option?
<darix> like external gem
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<injekt> probably
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<erikh> that's a better idea.
<erikh> ALL THE IDEAS
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<jkyle> I'm looking for a ruby based documentation framework that can handle rst. for those familiar with python tools, I'm looking for the sphinx equiv in ruby world
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<rickhull> rst?
<whitequark> rickhull: restructured text
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: (bash) ...
<whitequark> you know I hate you, right?
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<rickhull> jkyle: ruby is more oriented towards markdown rather than r(e)ST
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<rickhull> the ruby ecosystem, i should say. nothing inherent to the language
<ericwood> it's those damn ruby programmers that are the problem if ya ask me
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<erikh> yeah, it doesn't look like there's anything
<erikh> wow.
<erikh> rickhull: beers late in the week? sorry I didn't get back to you this weekend, got the crud
<erikh> took a day today to recover
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<rickhull> ha, no worries, sure
<erikh> I'll probably ping you thursday or so.
<rickhull> sounds good
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: yush :>
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hey hey
<whitequark> let's write parser docs!
<yorickpeterse> also lol at wifi routers without a wifi password
<yorickpeterse> and with the router username/pwd being set to user/user
<yorickpeterse> also yes, we really should
<yorickpeterse> but it's 22:30 now and I'm on my way home, so not tonight
<whitequark> mkay
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<yorickpeterse> still need to start working on a "Migrating from Ripper" guide as well
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<yorickpeterse> also bah, train wifi goes to shit the moment it starts moving
<whitequark> haha
<yorickpeterse> at least SSH still works, which means I can at least ramble on IRC about it
<whitequark> there's wifi in moscow underground. theoretically
<whitequark> it's not connected to any uplink at all
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<yorickpeterse> well then, that was the end of my wifi
<yorickpeterse> it only works now because we've stopped for a red light
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<yxhuvud> end of wifi sounds like armageddon
<yorickpeterse> at least I hope it's a red light
<yorickpeterse> I swear to god if some jackass jumped in front of a train again
<yorickpeterse> Hm interesting, train guy is leaning out of the door and mumbling stuff on his walkie-talkie
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<yorickpeterse> oh we're moving again, ETA to loss of wifi a few seconds
<yorickpeterse> haha, apparently people were talking on the track
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<rickhull> caution! do not talk on tracks
<yorickpeterse> haha
<yorickpeterse> I meant walking
<yorickpeterse> damn it
<yorickpeterse> also wtf, wifi is still here
<yorickpeterse> lets do some h4x0ring
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<jkyle> rickhull: yeah, the only problem with markdown is it's not suitable for creating documentation other than html
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<threedaymonk> jkyle: I've had good results generating PDFs via LaTeX from Markdown using Pandoc.
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<jkyle> threedaymonk: I see puppet docs use yard. Looking ot see if I can leverage that.
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<joshuawscott> jkyle: have you looked at https://github.com/alphabetum/rbst ?
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<jkyle> joshuawscott: cool enough, but I'll probably wrap doc generation in a makefile or rakefile or whatever. so calling out to rst2html.py isn't a big deal (if I go that route). I use reST for other projects, it's more of a yet another tool aversion
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<yorickpeterse> bah, DO had network issues
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