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<zenspider> ARGH
<zenspider> "Nl%\000\000A\000\999"
<zenspider> remember kids... \### is octal
<zenspider> ass.hats.
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<zenspider> if (c < '0' || c > '9') break;
<zenspider> *sigh*
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<zenspider> thanks ruby
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<zenspider> #define is_identchar(p,e,enc) (rb_enc_isalnum((unsigned char)(*(p)),(enc)) || (*(p)) == '_' || !ISASCII(*(p)))
<zenspider> am I translating that right?
<zenspider> anything that is alphanumeric, underscore, or anything not ascii?
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<zenspider> where ISASCII is defined as < 128
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<whitequark> zenspider: yes
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<rickhull> not to beat a dead horse, but does my gist L13 make sense? and how is that different from what zenspider was demonstrating? https://gist.github.com/rickhull/85303687be4b83a38baa
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<zenspider> @binary_data = "\0\1\2\3\4\5\6\7\8\9"*10000
<zenspider> I want to stab people
<zenspider> right now... specifically, matz.... why doesn't the parser at least warn?
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<charliesome> eval-in_
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<charliesome> >> 1+2
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<charliesome> >> 1+2
<eval-in> charliesome => 3 (http://eval.in/32671)
<mistym> >> RUBY_PLATFORM
<eval-in> mistym => "i686-linux" (http://eval.in/32673)
<zenspider> shit
<zenspider> what's the top bound of utf8 these days?
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<zenspider> \uFFFF apparently ain't it anymore
<charliesome> zenspider: 10fff
<charliesome> iirc
<charliesome> zenspider: there have been more than 65536 unicode characters for years
<charliesome> wait no i lie
<zenspider> it is at least 1D539
<zenspider> prolly 1ffff?
<charliesome> 10ffff
<zenspider> jesus fuck
<zenspider> wow
<charliesome> theres at least a million chars afaik
<charliesome> 0x10ffff sounds right
<zenspider> fucking emoji
<charliesome> ✨
<zenspider> which requires extra syntax to specify... \u{10ffff}
<zenspider> ugh
<zenspider> how clunky
<whitequark> well. at least we will never have to deal with encodings again.
<whitequark> zenspider: it's to allow for UTF-16
<zenspider> just wait... we'll meet some fucked up alien race and have to double everything
<whitequark> where *any* symbol can be represented by either two or four bytes, and if four, you don't need complex rules to distinguish
<zzak> erikh: can you file a bug?
<whitequark> zenspider: also, error recovery behavior in \u{...} is slightly weird
<zenspider> how do you compose a unicode string from a number? you can't interpolate in(?), and chr doesn't work
<whitequark> hm?
<whitequark> my code for \u
<zenspider> like the old ?a + n trick
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<whitequark> basically str.to_i(16).chr(Encoding::UTF_8)
<zenspider> ah. I didn't know you could pass in an arg to chr
* whitequark shrugs
<zenspider> I'm looking at some clunky code that could use that right now
<whitequark> well, it makes sense from the perspective of API orthogonality
<zenspider> big list of numbers to chars
<zenspider> makes more sense for it to respect the internal encoding automatically
<zenspider> my brain is dead. and I'm just about to 4sigma. dinner and date. laters
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<rickhull> zzak: can you do me a solid and comment please? https://gist.github.com/rickhull/85303687be4b83a38baa
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<zzak> ruby -Ilib -e "require 'test/helper.rb'"
<zzak> no "../"
<zzak> i didnt see you change directories anywhere in that log
<rickhull> i'm still in ~/testing
<zzak> -Ilib
<rickhull> and that doesn't work.
<zzak> just adds lib to load path
<rickhull> right
<zzak> it doesnt change your chdir
<zzak> cwd*
<zzak> or whatever
<zzak> so
<zzak> ruby -Itest -e "require 'helper'"
<zzak> same thing
<rickhull> yeah, i get that. i'm trying to understand how require looks for things relative to what's in $LOAD_PATH
<rickhull> so lib is $LOAD_PATH
<zzak> it doesnt
<zzak> you are relative to cwd
<zzak> not load path
<rickhull> i don't think so
<rickhull> i'm in ~/testing
<rickhull> and require 'foo' works
<zzak> because foo is in lib
<zzak> in your path
<rickhull> because ~/testing/lib is in $LOAD_PATH
<rickhull> and require 'foo/bar' works, it's relative to ~/testing/lib
<rickhull> but require ''../test/helper' fails, but it's relative to ~/testing/lib in the same way
<rickhull> just going "up" instead of "down"
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<zzak> i think because the '..' part
<rickhull> right. i'm just trying to confirm that this is how require is supposed to work, and i assume so
<zzak> take a look at load.c
<rickhull> given that: require will search for relative paths that are "within" a $LOAD_PATH entry
<rickhull> (the require 'foo/bar' example)
<rickhull> it's "odd" that it won't go up using standard UNIX conventions for relative paths
<rickhull> but i just want to make sure i've got that right
<zzak> i admit loading isn't very well documented
<rickhull> yeah i was going to suggest some docs to that effect
<rickhull> suggest/contribute
<zzak> should be in README.EXT
<zzak> maybe
<rickhull> i was thinking the rdoc for Kernel#require
<rickhull> should describe how require finds things, particularly relative to what's in $LOAD_PATH
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<zzak> maybe
<rickhull> POLS would suggest ../foo (assuming it exists) should be just a findable as bar/foo
<rickhull> as it's not, i would lean towards documenting
<rickhull> but perhaps i'm still not understanding the whole picture
<zzak> to me it seems too confusing
<zzak> when i see "../"
<zzak> you are saying "relative to where i am now"
<zzak> not "relative to some place in my path"
<zzak> because there could be many places in your path
<zzak> right
<zzak> think about all the libraries with "lib"
<zzak> seems confusing
<zzak> i suggest opening a ticket for further discussion
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<rickhull> i was actually writing up a blog post about how relative dirs are used in ruby
<rickhull> pasting my progress so far
<rickhull> and it turns out it doesn't actually work how i thought it di
<rickhull> which is why i've been asking about this today
<rickhull> everything L20 and below is just stubs, not truth
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<rickhull> i think this can be fleshed out another 50% more and used as a reference
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<rickhull> it is confusing as hell, and i wanted to get a comprehensive picture, and i thought i had a handle on it
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<rickhull> zzak: note, I am not expecting require to consider my CWD
<rickhull> just relative to $LOAD_PATH entries
<rickhull> of course things are different if . is in $LOAD_PATH, but not considering that case
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<rickhull> anyway, i'd be happy to open a ticket if you think that's best. got a pointer or link?
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<Wardrop> Quick question. Do you guys put full-stops at the end of your exception messages?
<rickhull> depends on the context. if it's for end users and your message is a sentence, i'd be tempted to capitalize and punctuate
<Wardrop> rickhull: Agreed. If I ever send exception messages to users, I always check for a trailing period and add one if none exists.
<Wardrop> By always, I mean I try to always
<rickhull> i wouldn't worry too much about it, honestly. and i definitely wouldn't have code to inject missing chars
<rickhull> that's just one more thing to fail, and one more thing that's not greppable
<rickhull> i would do your best to make sensible messages in the code. and then when you have nothing better to do, or you have a new hard requirement for certain messages, go fix them in the code
<rickhull> i.e. it's not a problem until it is. then you can make a comprehensive fix, and you'll have a better guideline for future messages
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<judofyr> morning yorickpeterse
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<whitequark> moo
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<yorickpeterse> bah, somewhere in this app some code fucks up Rails' nested attribute system
<yorickpeterse> because it works fine standalone, including when I use barebones versions of the various models used
<yorickpeterse> ugh
* yorickpeterse gets a rubber glove
<yorickpeterse> interesting enough: it appears to work in a Rails console but not when running my tests (e.g. when I start Pry in a test)
<yorickpeterse> which makes zero sense
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<yorickpeterse> Hm fantastic. It appears that when I run my stuff with RAILS_ENV=test it borks the nested attributes
<yorickpeterse> but there's no configuration setting that would indicate this
<judofyr> fuck_with yorickpeterse if Rails.env.test?
<yorickpeterse> pretty much
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<__carlos> lol
<__carlos> it would be an awesome method
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<yorickpeterse> man at least I have pry, otherwise this would be very much like trying to find a needle in a haystack that's driving on a highway at 200km/h
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<whitequark> judofyr: :yorickpeterse
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<yorickpeterse> def alas_poor_yorick; end
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<__carlos> yorickpeterse: pry is the best software I've encountered in a long time… no kidding
<__carlos> I love it
<yorickpeterse> I'm well aware of it being awesome
<yorickpeterse> I even have a t-shirt...that I hardly wear
<__carlos> yorickpeterse: I need a tshirt.. I need it.. I'll make one myself "I <3 PRY"… most people won't get it, but those who do will become my bff instantly
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<__carlos> yorickpeterse: awesome!
<yorickpeterse> ASJKDBHAK:SJDHAS:KDJHAS"DKL
<yorickpeterse> I think I found my issue
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hands.sys?
<yorickpeterse> No, fucking Rails not doing what you expect it to do
<whitequark> I don't think you're supposed to fuck Rails
<yorickpeterse> harr harr
<whitequark> it's an MVC framework, after all, not a person or an animal
<yorickpeterse> well apparently Ruby is a girl these days you can abuse
<yorickpeterse> According to some blog post
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<whitequark> ... this went uncanny rather fast
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<blanoz> Hello! Anyone around feeling in need to demoralize a non-programmer who wants to learn programming? :)
<judofyr> hey blanoz
<judofyr> what's up?
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<yorickpeterse> tl;dr of my issue: Rails is fucking terrible at dealing with nested attributes and relations using :through
<blanoz> Hi. I'm a totally noob in this field but I'm facing almost everyday the need of learning a programming language. I've read a little PHP and a little of Ruby (not ROR) but I still cannot decide with what should i actually start. Some fellow programmers pointed out at Python, for its code readability, but those damn brackets kill me
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<GarethAdams> blanoz: well you're in the right channel for some totally impartial advice!
<GarethAdams> oh no, wait
<blanoz> (i'm not a native english speaker, please bear with me through the typos/misspelling)
<judofyr> blanoz: (where are you from?)
<yorickpeterse> Relation would be: company groups (through) -> group memberships -> company. Pass an :id and it expects a group membership, pass it anything else and it will create a new company
<yorickpeterse> uuggghhh
<yorickpeterse> "Fuck you over convention" I suppose
<GarethAdams> blanoz: my advice: try something; see if you like it; try something else; compare. Repeat
<judofyr> blanoz: I learnt PHP originally and then switched to Ruby. PHP is one big bag of "what the fuck", but at least it gets you started quickly
<yorickpeterse> PHP is fucking shit
<yorickpeterse> stay away from it
<__carlos> blanoz: PHP is easy but horrible… Python I can't say anything about… Ruby is awesome, hands down
<Mon_Ouie> To be fair, no matter where you ask, people are unlikely to answer partially. The only difference is, on a language-specific channel, they're more likely to say the same thing :p
<yorickpeterse> It's like trying to learn how to ride a bike, except the bike has spikes everywhere, comes with 3 wheels (of which one is missing a tire) and doesn't have any lights.
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<Mon_Ouie> impartially*
<yorickpeterse> It also randomly breaks for no apparent reason
<yorickpeterse> It's also vastly different from all the other bikes
<__carlos> and doesn't properly log shit
<judofyr> blanoz: it also depends on what type of programming you want to do. web programming? small command line tools? importing data and analyzing?
<__carlos> typical php error log: "No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0"
<judofyr> blanoz: I wouldn't pick PHP for anything else than web programming. and even then I'm not sure it's a good idea…
<manveru> sometimes the tire goes flat and it spontaneously combusts
<blanoz> I came here because i feld attracted to the Ruby language the most, but I find it sometimes difficult (especially if looking into ROR). So i'm thinking that I should start with something easy (lets say Python) and after some basic programming principles have been well established, i could move to Ruby, since this is my ultimte goal (of learning Ruby/ROR). The fact that Ruby incorporates so many other programming languages it makes
<blanoz> start with something else
<blanoz> Romania, that is.
<judofyr> blanoz: Python is fine and sensible. Ruby is fine and sensible. heck, even Perl is fine and sensible (if you ignore the bad parts).
<__carlos> blanoz: why not start with some real training in a typed system?
<blanoz> __carlos: hmmm, good point.
<__carlos> I find it better to learn proper programming when you know about types
<manveru> blanoz: take a look at go then
<yorickpeterse> blanoz: don't start with ROR
<__carlos> GO is fine but I don't know about community support… it's rather "new"… why not Java or something? it's not the best thing out there but Eclipse + JAva is easy as shit
<yorickpeterse> start with plain Ruby, take small baby steps
<__carlos> and you get to learn types
<blanoz> judofyr: the programming language i will (hopefully) learn, will be used for WWW mainly
<manveru> __carlos: go and st2 is a blast
<__carlos> I must admit I haven't used GO that much… I hear it's nice… perhaps today I'll do a hello world or something
<manveru> given, it's not generating 90% of the code for you, but unlike java you don't have to :P
<blanoz> Guys, i'm asking if i should start directly with Ruby (and later ROR or other framework) or with something else - please take into consideration that i have no programming background.
<__carlos> Java gets a lot of shit, but it's widely used… if you use Eclipse and don't' get too happy with Objects (like creating 50 classes instead of using HashMap), then it's not bad
<manveru> package main; func main(){ println("Hello, World!") }
<blanoz> (since Ruby incorporates so many programming languages - hence my question)
<__carlos> Ruby incorporates ideas from other languages, it doesn't implicitly incorporate other languages
<blanoz> i see
<__carlos> but then again you could say the same for a lot of other languages
<manveru> i learned php before ruby... didn't really help me much
<blanoz> that is what i was afraid, manveru
<__carlos> if you learn php before Ruby, you have to "unlearn" a lot of shit afterwards hah
<yorickpeterse> repeat after me:
<yorickpeterse> Don't learn PHP
<GarethAdams> ^^
<yorickpeterse> unless you enjoy sadism
<blanoz> yorickpeterse: lol
<judofyr> blanoz: if you want to learn programming I'd recommend trying a few and see if anyone "clicks". Ruby, Python, Perl, JavaScript, Go, Java, C# are all fine languages; you need one which you *want* to program in.
<__carlos> Ruby is a good language to learn first… I think so at least… but you won't know a lot of the basics (like how object allocation works and what it means to have different types, and what it means to instantiate, and what primitive types are)
<__carlos> whatever, if you're doing web programming you don't REALLY need to know all that
<blanoz> judofyr: if i'd say that i'm forced to work on Windowza, i believe that my possiblities will greatly narrow
<GarethAdams> you're not forced to, Windows can run virtual machines ;)
<manveru> are there languages that don't work on windows?
<blanoz> GarethAdams: that's why i love the Ruby community. Thank you for this idea.
<blanoz> manveru: i believe not, but i find cygwin difficult (along other non-"native" tools)
<manveru> yeah, colinux is way nicer
<blanoz> Will go for the virtual machine.
<yorickpeterse> HA HA HA! ESTOY USANDO EL RUBY ON FUCKYOU
<yorickpeterse> Translation: fixed my shiot
<yorickpeterse> * shit
<blanoz> manveru, GarethAdams, __carlos, judofyr, yorickpeterse: thanks for your answers! :)
<judofyr> blanoz: cheers!
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<manveru> should've told him to learn scheme first :P
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<yorickpeterse> get out
<judofyr> have you read your SICP today?
<manveru> not yet, no
<manveru> just a bit of the little schemer
<manveru> been a while since i last worked through SICP :(
<judofyr> little schemer is nice
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<manveru> i really enjoy their style
<manveru> a whole book of questions for you to answer :)
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<andrewvos> Ergh
<andrewvos> How do I get cucumber to dispay ......... instead of a billion lines of text
<andrewvos> ?
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<GarethAdams> --format=progress maybe
<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: you tell it a stupid joke
<GarethAdams> …………
<yorickpeterse> see?
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<andrewvos> Strange dude you
<andrewvos> It worked!
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<yorickpeterse> knock knock
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<andrewvos> Who der
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<yorickpeterse> .......................
<yorickpeterse> ....FFF....
<yorickpeterse> I'll show myself out
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<andrewvos> Yu do that
<andrewvos> You*
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<__carlos> does anyone here use any type of server monitoring?
<__carlos> I know it's probably off topic
<yorickpeterse> yes
<yorickpeterse> Monit to be exact
<__carlos> sweet.. checking it out now
<__carlos> thanks :)
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<mbj> whitequark: Hola!
<mbj> whitequark: I'd like to request you add the channel #rom-rb to your irclogger, we renamed datamapper2 to rom (ruby-object-mapper)
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<mbj> whitequark: unparser became somewhat usable, but still not beta, nor even alpha quality. Porting mutant already to get a feeling ;)
<mbj> whitequark: unparser was many times more easy than to_source ;)
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<whitequark> mbj: sec, will add
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<mbj> whitequark: Thx!
<mbj> whitequark: I'll ping you once unparser works correct with mutant
<mbj> whitequark: Can you also add the now legacy #datamapper channel? There is some support activity and your irclogger performs much better than irclogger.com
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<mbj> whitequark: Big thx!
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<andrewvos> Hey how do I get the scheme host and port from "http://bsdvs:2323/pathpathpathpath"?
<andrewvos> So I want "http://bsdvs:2323"
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<yorickpeterse> > require 'uri'; URI.parse('http://bsdvs:2323/pathpathpathpath').scheme
<yorickpeterse> err
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse('http://bsdvs:2323/pathpathpathpath').scheme
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => "http" (http://eval.in/32724)
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse('http://bsdvs:2323/pathpathpathpath').host
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => "bsdvs" (http://eval.in/32725)
<yorickpeterse> etc
<yorickpeterse> then you just concat that together
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<eponymi> if my Gemfile specifies dependency groups, should my Rakefile be namespaced accordingly? e.g. if in Gemfile I have default group + testing group, should I also have a testing namespace in Rakefile?
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<erikh> >> ["676f6f64206d6f726e696e67"].pack("H*")
<eval-in> erikh => "good morning" (http://eval.in/32726)
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<yorickpeterse> nerd
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<headius> drbrain: ping
<drbrain> pong
<drbrain> headius: ^^
<headius> why doesn't RG keep the full list of files in the specifications it installs?
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<headius> I'm still trying to reconcile the default gem stuff, and if it did that things would be much simpler
<headius> the bulk of the default gem logic in rbinstall.rb is to repopulate Specification#files with files to trigger default gem loading
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<erikh> drbrain: did you see my message about parallel gem downloads in RG?
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<erikh> totally jacking this threa
<erikh> d
<headius> jacker!
<erikh> ::P
<drbrain> erikh: I thought I just replied!
<erikh> my irc client is acting dumb then
<drbrain> headius: for regular gems it takes up a significant amount of memory for some gems (rails)
<drbrain> headius: raggi proposed a patch some time ago
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<headius> hmmm
<headius> that's reasonable I guess...but there should be a way to keep the files, or to install the full spec into defaults
<drbrain> headius: there's Gem::Specification#to_ruby_for_cache (no files) and #to_ruby (full)
<headius> ok
<headius> I'm going to see about adding --default to install
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<headius> that will additionally drop the specification into specifications/default
<headius> full version
<drbrain> ok
<drbrain> you'll need to change Gem::Installer
<drbrain> and pass the option down (which is trivial)
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<headius> yeah
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<erikh> I realize what happened now, I left my irc client on at home, and it's soaking all my messages
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<KINGSABRI> hello guys
<KINGSABRI> When I have to use class method not instance method?
<erikh> do you know the difference between a class and an instance of a class?
<erikh> class methods act on the class itself
<erikh> if you don't know the above, I would strongly recommend a tutorial on ruby, and OOP.
<erikh> corundum: learn to program?
<corundum> A good Ruby tutorial for newbies to programming: http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/. NOTE: For linux installation section (in Chapter 0), the filename presented is just a example.
<erikh> KINGSABRI: ^^
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<KINGSABRI> but I didn't understand when I have to use it , what I mean , we can use any instance method any time with the instances
<erikh> read the one I gave you, it's a nice book that leads you up to it.
<erikh> gtg.
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<KINGSABRI> ok
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<KINGSABRI> I didnt find anything related to instance method , are you sure in include this part?
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<headius> seems good
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<headius> drbrain: fixed
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<drbrain> headius: can you throw in some tests, too?
<headius> yeah, trying to figure out the best way to do that
<drbrain> cool
<headius> the existing dependency_installer tests are really hard to follow
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<drbrain> yeah
<drbrain> they're mostly functional tests, but I don't think you need to add a test there
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<headius> I'm looking at test_gem_installer now
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<headius> drbrain: test is in...changing gears for a whiile
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<drbrain> ok
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<headius> drbrain: I'm pretty sure this does most of the logic from MRI's rbinstall logic, but having it also update stdlib files would be nice
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<drbrain> heh
<drbrain> seems perilous :D
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<bradland> so i have this really simple Ruby script that I use for scrubbing CSV files, but it uses Iconv... which is on its way out
<bradland> i've looked at the encoding methods provided since Ruby 1.9, but the only option appears to be replacing non-ASCII characters with a substitution, rather than trying to make a good guess.
<bradland> ...which Iconv is really good at (making a good guess).
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<bradland> Any leads on libraries that does something similar? That is, transliterates to ASCII while making guesses at non-ASCII characters (special quotes, accented characters, etc).
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<injekt> #ruby-lang Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
<injekt> that crap is silly
<mistym> It is!
<apeiros> irc is silly
<yorickpeterse> your face is silly
<apeiros> how did you know?!?
<yorickpeterse> the internet
* apeiros gets a new face
<workmad3> apeiros: don't look around... the tree outside your window is shaking suspiciously...
<injekt> fapfapfap
<apeiros> OO
<apeiros> /o\
<yorickpeterse> also, if one wants to buy a pink sombrero (and Amazon doesn't have it), where should one look?
<injekt> ebay?
<bradland> looks like Stringex adds String#to_ascii
<apeiros> buy an ordinary colored sombrero and pink paint
<injekt> ^
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: effort
<bradland> apeiros wins
<apeiros> fun
<yorickpeterse> injekt: that's actually not a terrible idea
<apeiros> paint can be spray paint
<injekt> agreed
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: if you can't buy it on amazon, it doesn't exist
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<apeiros> I can't buy amazon on amazon
<yorickpeterse> but but :<
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<apeiros> and then the universe collapsed
<bradland> (on the internet, no one knows you're a dog)
<yorickpeterse> bradland: no
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: it doesn't matter if you're not a dog, as long as your head is somewhat dog-sized
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<yorickpeterse> Ok I need dis
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<bradland> wait, so is iconv sticking around? http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0/libdoc/iconv/rdoc/Iconv.html
<yorickpeterse> it's not supposed to
<bradland> yeah, i've been so used to see depreciation warnings, i was surprised to see it in the docs
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<bradland> i absolutely hate the way transliteration is being handled in most of the other libs i'm finding
<bradland> they all implement their own character maps
<bradland> rather than using system locale data
<yorickpeterse> man, encoding is super easy
<whitequark> >system
<yorickpeterse> just do a gsub and you're done!
<whitequark> like windows?
<yorickpeterse> windows is not a system
<yorickpeterse> it's a deformity
<whitequark> unix is the same.
<yorickpeterse> we also don't talk about Windows here
<whitequark> we're just used to it, and it's more hackable. that's all.
<bradland> i don't use iconv for encoding (obviously)
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: good thing I use the Linux, ha!
<bradland> transliteration != encoding (exactly)
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<yorickpeterse> most code sadly assumes that text more or less matches /[a-zA-Z0-9_\-\s]/ most of the time
<bradland> fo sho
<yorickpeterse> man wtf is up with all these sombreros/ponchos for animals but no pink ones for hoomans
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<bradland> discrimination, clearly
<bradland> it seems you have less than the preferred number of legs for the pink sombrero target market
<yorickpeterse> xenophobia
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<yorickpeterse> bah, seems I have to take a stroll around Amsterdam to see if I can find one there
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<bradland> normally, i'd say that's a long shot, but in amsteram, i think this might work out
<bradland> i don't want to see any headlights about you assaulting a chihuahua though
<yorickpeterse> that wouldn't make the news here in NL
<yorickpeterse> most people hate those dogs anyway
<yorickpeterse> unless I was brown and from the middle east, then it would be frontpage news
<yorickpeterse> "VICIOUS FOREIGNER BITES DOG'S HEAD OFF. READ MORE ABOUT HOW ALL FOREIGNERS ARE BAD"
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<erikh> yorickpeterse: I have a bot that would happily digest most of your words
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<yorickpeterse> hahaha
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<yorickpeterse> I should probably start a yorick_ebooks twitter account some day
<yorickpeterse> but that means reading up what markov chains actually do again
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<yorickpeterse> well then, there are apparently Gems for that
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<injekt> wat
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<erikh> bad irc bots everywhere rejoice
<erikh> yorickpeterse: what are the gems named?
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<yorickpeterse> bunch of them including "markov" in the name
<yorickpeterse> markov, marky_markov, etc
<yorickpeterse> all pretty outdated though by the looks of it
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<erikh> haha
<erikh> "marky_markov"
<erikh> and the curry bunch
<injekt> :D
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<andrewvos> markov_my_words
<andrewvos> markov_of_the_beast
<andrewvos> markov_and_spencer
<andrewvos> markov_zuckerberg
<andrewvos> markov_polo
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<GarethAdams> /ignore andrewvos
<andrewvos> hahaha ok I'll just grab my coat now
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<GarethAdams> ^^ look, you've upset him
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<andrewvos> that was you
<andrewvos> You're talking to yourself
<GarethAdams> I meant you upset vlad_starkov, who just left
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<andrewvos> Oh I disabled seeing that shit years ago
<GarethAdams> he joined about 15 seconds before your first markov_my_words
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<andrewvos> He probably thought "that's enough IRC for this year"
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<erikh> on_your_markov
<yorickpeterse> so apparently this bot I'm running has 5789 URLs stored. notbad
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<erikh> markoved_for_death
<yorickpeterse> though it only goes back about a year, which is a shame
<erikh> markov_polo
<yorickpeterse> erikh: hey you want some random data for that loudbot thing?
<erikh> yorickpeterse: I gave you the irc network
<erikh> you can add as much as you want there
<andrewvos> markov_getset_go
<yorickpeterse> erikh: you didn't
<erikh> I did
<yorickpeterse> you gave me some read only web API
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<zenspider> anyone here know google charts pretty well? I just need a "simple" tweak
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<rue> I’ve found there’s no such thing with GC
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<zenspider> yeah
<zenspider> I just want to draw a line or color part of my data to signify a particular range
<zenspider> go figure
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<rue> At some point I just went with D3 instead.
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<zenspider> rue: throw me some code to crib and I'll happily switch. I just want a visualization of my workout. 2 y-axis line + bar
<zenspider> I'm not married to this thing... I only went with it because I already had something that mostly worked :)
<rue> Hm, should do something like that :) Finally started strength training, would be useful
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<bcardarella> Inside of an instance method defined within a describe block of minitest/spec is there a way to get the desc of the greatest parent? (assuming there is nested describes)
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<bcardarella> jOn the class level I can get it with MiniTest::Spec.describe_stack
<bcardarella> but that data seems to be gone in the instance
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<blowmage> bcardarella: `self.class.describe_stack`?
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<blowmage> what are you trying to accomplish?
<bcardarella> blowmage: I would like the constant we are passing to the top-most describe
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<bcardarella> I can kind of get that by parsing the name of the current describe's name but the names are separated by :: and there is no guarantee that I would be splitting on the right spot
<zenspider> rue: it has helped a lot. having the visualization has shown me where I should tweak more than anything
<zenspider> bcardarella: what are you actually trying to do?
<blowmage> bcardarella: i don't know what you are trying to accomplish, but check these two approaches out
<zenspider> I'll shut up. blowmage is on it
<rue> zenspider: *nod* Not much tweaking for me though, just pretty much straight SS (5x3 squat/presses/deadlift/clean)
<rue> But be nice to keep track
<naquad> is there any python list of software grouped by categories?
<naquad> kind of ruby-toolbox.com but for python?
<rue> naquad: Maybe ##python would know?
<naquad> oops
<naquad> sorry
<naquad> wrong channel
<bcardarella> blowmage: the determine_constant method should do the trick. Thank you
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<bradland> zenspider: i'm pretty sure that in GC, if you want a segment to be a different color, you have to define a separate series
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<bradland> highcharts is free for non-commercial use. we absolutely love it.
<zenspider> bradland: separate series... that's what I thought. If GC actually had X values, that might work. :/
<zenspider> I think I looked at highcharts a long while back and it was an absolute PITA. I assume it has gotten better?
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<zenspider> (brb. updating os)
<bradland> yeah, we abandoned google back when it was still flot
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<bradland> zenspider: when you get back, have a look at Highcharts xAxis.plotBands :: http://api.highcharts.com/highcharts#xAxis.plotBands
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<bradland> if you'd rather stay with GC, you could use something like the example "Web traffic line chart" here :: https://developers.google.com/chart/image/docs/user_submitted_gallery
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<zenspider> back
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<zenspider> hrm.. that web traffic thing is pretty much what I want... just need to translate from url back to javascript?
<bradland> yeah, whatever the url param chm translates to in the API
<bradland> looks like it's a "Range Marker"
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<bradland> man, the docs for Google Charts are pathetic
<bradland> lots of 404s
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<zenspider> they're really really bad
<zenspider> I was looking at ColorFormatter ... there's NO doco for it
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<zenspider> nothing
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<bradland> you know, the demo chart on the highcharts homepage sounds like it is exactly what you're looking for 2-y-axis, line + bar
<bradland> just needs a plotband
<zenspider> and the motherfuckers prevent me from spawning tabs
<bradland> and you're golden
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<zenspider> ok. fuck this. I'm looking at switching
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<zenspider> "Highcharts needs only two JS files to run: The highcharts.js core and either the jQuery, MooTools or Prototype framework. One of these frameworks is most likely already in use in your web page." ... no, actually... they're not
<bradland> hahaha, well, you could always spend a few days figuring out D3 :\
<bradland> D3 is awesome, but man, it's like driving tacks with a sledgehammer to do stuff like this
<bradland> you should just shell out to gnuplot and call it a day
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<bradland> the JS for the tokyo graph is in here: http://www.highcharts.com/templates/general/frontpage.js
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<zenspider> holy crap that's a lot of JS
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<bradland> zenspider http://jsfiddle.net/pzTHe/
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<andrewvos> Haha you think that's a lot?
<bradland> that's trimmed down
<bradland> you don't need the pie chart, obviously
<zenspider> also... doesn't seem to work. hrm
<andrewvos> Oh, you mean for what it's doing. Right.
<bradland> the jsfiddle doesn't work?
<bradland> i just ran it and it rendered the chart
<zenspider> frontpage.js doesn't work when I change the name in the first renderTo
<bradland> oh, that thing is full of cruft
<bradland> check the jsfiddle i posted
<bradland> i ripped a bunch of garbage out
<bradland> 103 lines
<bradland> and there are a pile of line breaks in here that are just for readability
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<bradland> zenspider: sans sunshine, it's down to 75, and there's still a lot you don't need if all you want to do is render with defaults. this has tooltips and stuff. http://jsfiddle.net/pzTHe/2/
<zenspider> ok. sweet. that has me up and running.
<zenspider> thank you very very much
<bradland> you bet
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<headius> drbrain: hmm, I'm getting "uninitialized constant RDoc::RI::Paths::SYSDIR" trying to rdoc-data --install
<zenspider> headius: not sure if he's alive yet
<zenspider> prolly should file file an issue
<headius> yeah, going to see if I can figure out what's wrong first
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<headius> I saw 4.0.1 rdoc was released
<zenspider> bradland: one last crib... is there anything like google.visualization.arrayToDataTable ?
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<zenspider> no biggie if not
<bradland> not that i'm aware of
<bradland> we use separate table plugins for that
<headius> weird...according to history that constant was removed in 4.0.0
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<zenspider> headius: I get a lot of conflict between the stdlib version and the gem
<zenspider> I really really really dislike the way stdlib ships these days
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<zenspider> dunno if you address that
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<headius> hmmm
<headius> well we are trying to start leveraging the default gems stuff in JRuby, but the way MRI does it is kinda broken
<headius> I just submitted a PR to rubygems to add a --default flag to install that does it better
<zenspider> there's no "kinda" about the broken
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<headius> what breakage do you know about? the only one I know is that it doesn't properly load the gem for top-level files like json.rb (I think)
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<headius> subsequent requires for json/* will trigger gem, but not json.rb I think, because of the way rbinstall builds up its file list
<headius> I ran into this trying to set up krypt as default gems for us, because several of its files load from the root of load path rather than a subdir
<headius> my PR uses the actual file list from the gem for triggering gem loads
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<zenspider> let's see... there's that. there's the fact that they've got BS gemspecs installed but they're not installed in the actual gem repo. there's the fact that they ship with a test-unit spec that says it is version '2', when it is, in fact, NOT the test-unit gem (not even distant cousins really). ... it goes on and on
<zenspider> the middle one is the worst imo
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<zenspider> really ... it should ship with gems
<zenspider> period
<zenspider> install them, come with them pre-installed... don't care.
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<zenspider> I have the 'ruby' gem name... so it is easy enough to have a meta gem that fixes the versions ... it could even do it with ~> and make it EASY to ship a single fix to stdlib w/o an entire release
* erikh gasps
<bradland> stdlib as gems. novel concept.
<headius> my PR should fix all those
<headius> well, the test/unit thing is just their problem
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<headius> but my PR uses actual gemspecs from the gem
<zenspider> test/unit (stdlib, not the gem) should die a painful death
<zenspider> but I'll NEVER get them to switch
<zenspider> actual gemspecs! ZOMG
<headius> oh hmm, I just realized my PR does actually need to change the specs slightly
<headius> specifically it needs to only look at requirable paths and remove prefix dirs like ext and lib
<headius> oops
<headius> so it won't be identical but it will work for purposes of default gems and keep all other data intact
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<zenspider> why remove prefix dirs?
<headius> hmmm
<headius> well currently the default gem logic uses the list of files there as triggers to boot the gem
<headius> if they're lib/mylibrary.rb instead of mylibrary.rb, it won't trigger mylibrary gem to boot
<headius> so RG default logic would have to change, or my PR needs to scrub prefixes
<headius> now that I think about it, probably the former would be best
<headius> defaults logic should load stock gemspecs, build a list of requirable files from that
<zenspider> I'll bow out of this one. I had a workout and I'm not tracking. my brain says something is wrong tho, but drbrain is best for that
<zenspider> or evan
<headius> well, you managed to give me a clue without trying, so kudos
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<bradland> i have an idea for our product, but i'm not sure if it's a DSL, or implementing an actual language. i feel like it's a crazy idea though.
<headius> anyway, my PR plus fixing RG should address your concerns (and mine)
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<bradland> the idea would be to allow our users to define their own algorithms for "algorithmic" bidding
<bradland> (our product is a procurement tool that does real time reverse auctions)
<bradland> i'm not even sure how to frame the discussion with our developers though
<bradland> is it a language? is it a DSL? is it something I should just run away from? :)
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<andrewvos> zenspider: Fork ruby :P
<andrewvos> Oh wow I just scrolled down and realised I missed the whole conversation. Probably for the better.
<zenspider> andrewvos: I've been tempted... many times. but I've also read the code.
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<zenspider> (and PLEASE don't recommend rubinius)
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<zenspider> bradland: have you seen my trolls of 2013 talk?
<andrewvos> Me? I would never.
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<bradland> zenspider: negative... too the google machine!
<zenspider> real time reverse auctions? you pay me to take something? the longer I say no the more money I make?
<zenspider> I think
<bradland> yep, looking at the vid on confreaks right now
<bradland> you speak of my problem here?
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<bradland> heeeey, lookie here :)
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<zenspider> bradland: hope that helps
<andrewvos> zenspider: Who was the troll you spoke of?
<bradland> zenspider: very apropos. funny how things like this work out. i've been wanting to do this for ages.
<bradland> holy cow: "Uby, a very small subset of Ruby". it's like you wrote this just for me... gee thanks! haha
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<zenspider> bradland: yay!
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<zenspider> bradland: how the fuck do I get rid of the dots on a spline/line ?
<zenspider> I've tried marker and symbol to no avail
<zenspider> n/m. got it
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<andrewvos> :(
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<zenspider> bradland: "An array of arrays with two values. In this case, the first value is the x value and the second is the y value. If the first value is a string, it is applied as the name of the point, and the x value is incremented following the above rules."
<zenspider> so I did an array with [["1/1", 42], ...]
<zenspider> and the strings aren't acting as labels
<zenspider> clue by four
<zenspider> pls
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