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<mfn> drbrain: just started to use net/http ... the api .. I' speechless.
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<drbrain> mfn: ignore everything except #request
<drbrain> there's at least 3 APIs in net/http
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<drbrain> mfn: all the other net/http wrappers pretty much do the same thing
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<mfn> ok, thx
<mfn> woha
<drbrain> it's a feature matrix of all the libraries
<drbrain> hrm, this is an old version
<drbrain> I can't find the new version, but nahi gave a talk on it at RubyConf 2012, so the video should show up in the next week or so
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<sandbags2> I'm having a problem with bundler 1.2.2 I have --path set in my global config but bundle install does not respect it and installs to the ruby gem path, yet --path on the bundle command lines does work. Ideas anyone? https://gist.github.com/ae5acea06c27a073cd57
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<whitequark> duh
<whitequark> C++ std::atomic<>'s are plain awesome
<whitequark> what a pity ruby doesn't have a sensibly defined memory model.
<apeiros_> C++ has a sensibly defined memory model? o0
<whitequark> since C++11, yes
<apeiros_> oh? ok
<whitequark> well, technically it had one before C++11, but it wasn't any good
<apeiros_> I thought C++ was about like C in that regard
<apeiros_> letting you sh^H^Hwrite all over memory addresses as you pleased
<whitequark> yeah it does, but std::atomic allows you to force certain memory ordering semantics, for example
<whitequark> and that's done in a cross-platform way
<whitequark> (you'd be surprised how x86, arm/ppc and venerable dec alpha differ in that.)
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<apeiros_> gawd, sublime is both awesome and horrible at the same time…
<apeiros_> over the top of my head… (not enough C++ knowledge)
<whitequark> well, that isn't really related to C++. I'm not proficient in it either
<whitequark> it's really all about concurrent multicore semantics
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<deltree_> so I've done a crapton of research, but I think I need some guidance and so here I am. I'm just trying to connect ruby to my mysql database.
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<deltree_> I'm running Windows Server 2012 (which is 64bit) and so I've tried the tutorials on installing 32bit mysql & on using the 32bit mysql connector with 64bit mysql. I'm now on 64bit mysql 5.5
<deltree_> I've given up on the "using 32bit mysql" method since it's the wrong way anyway
<deltree_> all my firewall exceptions are in place (I can connect to the db remotely)
<deltree_> is ruby really only in 32bit format?
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<xeviox> hi guys, is there a better way for this "out = `call_some_app 2> /dev/null`" ?
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<rue> xeviox: You could do something with spawn, probably, but meh
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<xeviox> so this is the preferred way to hide some extra error output from a called app?
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<rue> Dunno if it can be called preferred, but it certainly works
<xeviox> ok, thanks :)
<rue> xeviox: spawn "command", :err => "/dev/null" # May be clearer
<rue> I think it was like that, check ri
<xeviox> thanks
<xeviox> if my example is not discouraged I'll stay with it ..
<whitequark> xeviox: it invokes a shell, whereas spawn does not
<whitequark> that does have different semantics wrt SIGCHLD
<xeviox> ah k
<xeviox> then its ok, I'm checking for a binary
<xeviox> with
<xeviox> bin = `which my_binary 2> /dev/null`
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<khaase> so, why exactly did britruby get cancelled? did I miss the show?
<rue> Cancelled? There were some grumbles about the speaker lineup, I guess
<apeiros_> hrm, annoying that for String#%, the keys must be symbols…
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<rue> apeiros_: Especially with the stringification of symbols otherwise.
<whitequark> apeiros_: aligns nicely with 1.9 hash syntax, no?
<apeiros_> whitequark: if you have literals, yes
<whitequark> apeiros_: either way, I don't see this as annoying...
<rue> Seems a little dicey to insert into generated labels, but I suppose I see a few use cases
<apeiros_> whitequark: I have userinput, userinput is strings, so I have to convert it
<apeiros_> not a big deal, but still annoying
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<rue> It’s kind of a big deal
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<rue> Where the hell are you logging in from, rue|w?
<rue> Wth
<esad> Hi everyone - I have an app that uses one local gem (that is still in development), this gems depends on second local gem. Is there a way to make this work with bundler in a way that I can just supply gem 'firstgem', path: …. in the app's Gemfile
<esad> and this picks up the path for the second gem from first gem's Gemfile
<esad> Does requiring a local gem in the app's Gemfile actually parse the local gem's Gemfile?
<esad> *inception*
<rue> You might just want to run a local gem server if you need dependency resolution
<esad> I thought I could get away with bundle config local.*
<esad> but then I'd need to run that on the server too
<esad> is gem server an actual server or can it just be a path with gems
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<whitequark> rue: talking with yourself?
<whitequark> esad: it does not follow the Gemfiles
<esad> what is the Gemfile in gem's directory used for then?
<whitequark> gem development
<whitequark> you might want to launch executables like rspec
<whitequark> and make them find some other gems in unusual places
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<whitequark> when the gem is used, as opposed to being developed, it's just the gemspec what matters. that's the reason "gemspec" is the first clause of gem's Gemfile
<esad> I see
<esad> so I could do fine without Gemfile in my gem actually
<esad> well, ok, perhaps it's useful for the dependency to the other local gem
<whitequark> yup, that's what it is for
<esad> there's no way to point one local gem to another local gem in a gemspec, right?
<whitequark> yes
<esad> I get it
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<whitequark> local gems are bundler artifacts
<esad> so I guess easiest way to achieve the behaviour I want is to have gem 'first_gem', path
<esad> sorry gem 'first_gem', path: …; gem 'second_gem', path: ...
<esad> in my app
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<whitequark> exactly
<whitequark> for deploying, I'd advise just using git: ... branch: ...
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<ddd> esad: I think you might be misunderstanding. if your gem will require those gems *after* its been released, you put them in gemspec. If you need those gems during *development* you use Gemfile. Gemfile has 'gemspec' in it so that those gems your own gem depends on are also loaded so you don't have to double declare them
<rue> whitequark: I can’t figure out where the login is coming from…it’s this IP, but the work laptop is closed…
<esad> ddd: it requires the other gem to function
<whitequark> rue: maybe ACPI suddenly decided to wake it up
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<whitequark> y'know, that's exacly why you out-source firmware development to india
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<esad> both app and the local gems live in the repository. the gems are actually rails engines.
<ddd> then you put that in the gemspec itself. and you would have to have some way to ensure that gem A and B that are local gems are available. either by running a local gemserver thats constantly available for when that gem you're working on is installed, or by using a private git (or public if this is an opensource gem) in the gemspec for those 2 gems your gem depends on.
<whitequark> through the ACPI spec is so complex that only Intel can realistically write an error-free DSDT, much less entire firmware.
<whitequark> </rant>
<esad> live in the same* repository
<ddd> esad: *anything* that is an actual dependency of the gem you're working on, goes in the gemspec for that gem. and you would run a local gem server, use a git repo where the dependency gems are each in their own, or add the path using path: provided that path can be assured to pre-exist when the gem you're working on is installed. or you'll run into 'can't find gemA' ; can't find gemB' issues when installing your gem.
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<ddd> whitequark: can a gem self reference a path inside itself to fulfil gemA and gemB dependencies?
<ddd> whitequark: i've never tried it nor seen anyone try it, so idk
<whitequark> ddd: er. afaik no.
<ddd> whitequark: either as an extracted version or for location of prepackaged versions of the dependency gems? (like storing them in vendor/gems/ IN the installing gem itself)
<ddd> whitequark: ok. didn;t think so, but wasn't sure if I was missing a trick or something
<whitequark> ddd: the whole vendor/ trick is basically gone
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<ddd> esad: so that definitely means that you would either HAVE to run a local gem server, or use :git for the dependent gems IN your gemspec for the gem you're building, or absolutely ensure that the dependent gems were already installed prior to *your* gem being attempted to be installed. and as whitequark said earlier, the git repo would probably be the best bet.
<ddd> whitequark: ahh, i didn't know. thanks for clarificaation
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<esad> ddd: In every app that uses my local gems, I'm just supplying the pats in the Gemfile, and dependencies are defined in the gemspec
<esad> ddd: because it's only 2 gems, this is not so bad
<esad> paths*
<ddd> but the Gemfile isn't used when the gem is INSTALLED. Thats the point. the *gemspec* is (your-gem.gemspec)
<ddd> what is defined in the gemspec is what matters on deployments. thats why i spoke up. I thought you were confused about that, i was right. The Gemfile is only for you while you're developing the gem itself.
<esad> I was hoping I could avoid having the "gem 'b'" line
<ddd> and the addition of 'gemspec' in Gemfile is ONLY so that you don't have to double declare every gem your gem depends on. bundler will read the Gemfile, pull in any gems you declare there (for *development* of your gem) and then go read the gemspec and pull in any gems you define in *there*. The gemspec is what defines what your gem actually needs to have when someone tries to use it. The Gemfile is never consulted upon install
<ddd> so it doens't matter how you construct your Gemfile during development of your gem. Once you attempt to actually install your gem (gem install your-gem), Gemfile plays NO part. Only the your-gem.gemspec does
<ddd> nope, you will *have* to define the gem 'b' line in that other gem's gemspec if its a dependency of the gem
<whitequark> gemspecs don't have 'gem' clause
<ddd> they have g.add_dependency or g.runtime_dependency or similar
<ddd> actually i thinks its really .add_runtime_dependency but you'll have to look at rubygems.org's docs for the spec
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<whitequark> add_dependency
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<whitequark> it was changed in a really old recent of rubygems, years ago
<whitequark> so now it's just add_dependency
<whitequark> and add_development_dependency
<ddd> ahh got it.
<ddd> i have add_dependency in my gems, just thought I remembered reading about using the runtime_dependency too and just threw it out there
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<mfn> hrm
<ddd> whitequark: good catch on the gem clause not being used in the gemspec, though. I had the Gemfile on the brain and didn't make the mental transition to "err, thats not right" lol
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<mfn> cgi/cookie is weird. you can create a cookie and use to_s for it's string representation. And there's a parse method; however, the parse method only parses name=value pairs, but is not able to construct a Cookie object. And you can't feed the resulting hash directly into .new because the expected format is different ... it almost feels like there's something missing
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<unsymbol> i like that, in the quiet of irc, fewer people give a shit about ruby conference drama.
<unsymbol> :3
* unsymbol lastlogs
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<whitequark> mfn: yeah, it's called "sense"
<whitequark> the whole cgi module omits it for some reason.
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<whitequark> btw, what conference drama?
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<burgestrand1> whitequark: britruby got cancelled.
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<burgestrand> whitequark: http://2013.britruby.com/
<burgestrand> You guys have fun with this, I’ll dodge out of the coming discussion.
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<chris2> ^^
<ddd> so not discussing it. Already said my piece in the gist for good or ill. Now, I'll let it blow over and keep doing what I'm doing
<rue> I will set you all on fire if you even try broaching it
<ddd> lol
<rue> Here, anyway.
<ddd> i'll get the rotisserie
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<drbrain> whitequark: add_dependency is from the beginning of RubyGems, add_runtime_dependency is the new method
<drbrain> whitequark: there aren't plans to remove either
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<burgestrand> drbrain: why are both there?
<burgestrand> I mean, why is there a new one?
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<firefux> burgestrand: because ruby adds new names for everything :)
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<burgestrand> firefux: I suppose. I was just being curious; not trying to be an ass about it.
<burgestrand> Might come off as such.
* firefux was half joking
<firefux> burgestrand: no idea about those ;)
<burgestrand> firefux: figured I’d take the opportunity to clarify ;)
<firefux> was just that I'm learning ruby and see that a lot methods have more than one name
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<drbrain> burgestrand: for symmetry with add_development_dependency
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<burgestrand> drbrain: alright, thanks
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<ttilley> whitequark: gotta love how ruby as a language is specified in terms of accidental implementation behavior on MRI
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<whitequark> ttilley: ripper is not a part of language
<whitequark> in fact I'm trying to convince @headius right now on twitter that no, he shouldn't implement that in jruby :)
<whitequark> but on hundreds of other quirks you are unfortunately right.
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<erikh> drbrain: any idea what argument is passed to the block that's trapping siginfo?
<apeiros_> isn't it the old handler?
<apeiros_> hm, no, wait, that was the return value when you do a Kernel#trap
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<drbrain> erikh: I'm not sure
<erikh> np, i'll source dive
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<whitequark> erikh: signal number
<whitequark> I believe this is the relevant part
<zzak> drbrain: i am cleaning houe
<drbrain> whitequark: yep, called from here: http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/thread.c#1709
<zzak> house*
<drbrain> zzak: awesome!
<zzak> no moar pull requests :D
<zzak> 40 to go
<zzak> so not technically any moar
<zzak> but a less than before i start
<drbrain> :D
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<andrewvos> *grin*
<andrewvos> (scroll to the bottom)
<drbrain> andrewvos: LOLOL
<drbrain> andrewvos: you need to release this as a gem
<drbrain> *need*
<andrewvos> drbrain: IN PROGRESS
<drbrain> andrewvos: do you have an awesome name?
<andrewvos> drbrain: My goal in life is now to get this in Rails somehow
<andrewvos> method-found
<drbrain> somehow I think the name should have a misspelling in it
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<drbrain> method-fownd
<andrewvos> methid-missing
<andrewvos> metherd-missing
<andrewvos> hahaaha
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<whitequark> mthod_mssing
<whitequark> there is a joke that fits this ideally, but unfortunately it is completely untranslatable.
<whitequark> andrewvos: bonus points: make this implementation meta-circular
<whitequark> i.e. rewritie the algorihtm to mispell eacch and everry name
<andrewvos> Not sure what you mean whitequark?
<whitequark> andrewvos: well
<whitequark> there is such a thing as meta-circular interpreters
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<whitequark> i.e. a Ruby VM written completely in Ruby (what I'm working on), or Squeak, Smalltalk written in Smalltalk, or Maxine: JVM in Java
<whitequark> so if your levenshtein algorithm could leverage the full power of itself, it could achieve levels of performance unseen before!
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<andrewvos> haha
<andrewvos> Shit like that blows my mind
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<zzak> whitequark: nice source reference
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<andrewvos> hahaha amazing it's release
<erikh> well, I leveled up pretty hard in threaded programming today
<erikh> hopefully I remember it in 2 months
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<andrewvos> Someone submitted a pull request for a coding quiz I did for some interview two years ago. wat
<erikh> heh
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<andrewvos> erikh: Weird ^
<whitequark> andrewvos: wanna another idea?
<andrewvos> Is there any way I can see where my gems are being used?
<andrewvos> whitequark: Yeah go on.
<whitequark> make a source-to-source converter which would randomly replace method calls with their metherd-missing equivalents
<andrewvos> whitequark: Not sure I can write any more code though. Promised my girlfriend I would make food and she's starting to give me the eye.
<andrewvos> whitequark: HAHA that is genius
<andrewvos> whitequark: Would be great because it would compress code ;)
<whitequark> to make stuff easier you could just invoke some kind of callback after all code is loaded
<whitequark> then iterate all classes within ObjectSpace
<whitequark> and find all methods
<andrewvos> Yeah
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<whitequark> then just gsub
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<whitequark> I would absolutely love to apply that to some of my projects
<whitequark> also, considering adding support to http://github.com/evilmartians/liquor
<whitequark> {% pgnte entries %}
<andrewvos> haha
<andrewvos> Oh man the possibilities for evil are endless
<whitequark> there's a local meme around, basically some characters from children cartoons being high on drugs and talking _exactly like that_
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<whitequark> and one of projects I'm working on was written, well, in much the same manner
<andrewvos> With the misspellings?
<whitequark> no, on drugs.
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<whitequark> both literally and metaphorically, and I'm fucking tired of refactoring that for 4th month already
<whitequark> not even gone through half of the crap
<andrewvos> I absolutely can't stand misspellings in code. I saw "dispostable" the other day. It was meant to say "disposable"
<andrewvos> :(
<whitequark> so applying your hack would kind of make the form and the content very, very consistent
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<andrewvos> Got to bail, food time!
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<drbrain> zzak: did you work on a document describing globals?
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<erikh> andrewvos: I always have a problem with the word receive
<erikh> and frequently misspell it
<erikh> causes me endless hell in socket programming
<andrewvos> erikh: I have a fix!
<andrewvos> gem install metherd-missing
<erikh> at
<erikh> wat
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<drbrain> andrewvos: perfect!
<erikh> haha you clever bastard
<andrewvos> haha
<andrewvos> Need to get it in Rails anyone know DHH?
<erikh> you wrote your own distance code?
<drbrain> andrewvos: try going through spastorino
<andrewvos> OMG I should do a pull request
<erikh> hehe
<andrewvos> erikh: I ported it from some python.. with the help of ruby-lang.
<erikh> there's actually a lib called 'text' I think that does a good job
<erikh> but yeah, I mean, if you're learning it for the sake of learning it, good on ya
<andrewvos> komainu is the gem I wrote
<andrewvos> Yeah I enjoy that stuff. Writing Huffman compression pretty much made me decide I wanted to be a programmer.
<andrewvos> That algorithm is very cool.
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<erikh> anyone want to look at that, get some eye bleach and then tell me if they see any obvious problems?
<zzak> drbrain: not yet, im sweeping github pull requests at the moment. but i was just thinking of using that bit from zenspiders quick ref
<drbrain> sweet
<zzak> just basically a table
<zzak> let me find a link
<andrewvos> I think I'm going to pull request metherd-missing to Rails
<andrewvos> Just for the fun of it
<erikh> andrewvos: dude, they get enough of that bullshit
<zzak> drbrain: could you review that before i got an write the patch?
<drbrain> zzak: sure
<zzak> thank you!
<andrewvos> erikh: Hmm true :(
<zzak> im sure zenspider would appreciate a review if we find any bugs in his documentation as well
<erikh> hmm
<erikh> oh well
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<erikh> although I should probably add some comments.
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<zzak> drbrain: just saw your commit for rdoc #146, how'd those parens get removed?
<drbrain> zzak: the first one, "r ", the second one, "x"
<drbrain> (I use vim)
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<zzak> oh, i thought that was generated for some reason by parser
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<erikh> meh
<erikh> now with more comments
<erikh> halp