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<tocki_>
is it possible to move method from one class/object to another ?
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<totallymike>
tocki_: in runtime?
<tocki_>
yes
<tocki_>
there is anything else but runtime ?
<totallymike>
I was going to get all sarcastic and say copy/paste
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<totallymike>
tocki_: the only thing I can think is, if you want class/instance variables to be attached to the new object, is to make modules and mix them in when you need them
<totallymike>
but I'm not sure what you're up to
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<tocki_>
what is difference between method & proc ?
<tocki_>
Method & Proc
<heftig>
Procs are closures, methods are not
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<tocki_>
ruby OO is much more similiar to js than Java/.NET
<heftig>
no, not at all
<heftig>
JS uses prototyping, not classes
<tocki_>
methods also _need_ class context
<bluepojo>
procs don't create a new call frame
<tocki_>
classes in ruby are basically prototypes based on Modules
<bluepojo>
where methods do
<tocki_>
js frameworks offer similar functionality
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<tocki_>
its true, methods are not closures
<bluepojo>
OO in JS is built on top of the language, not built in
<bluepojo>
JS is a functional language
<bluepojo>
not OO at all
<bougyman>
what?
<bougyman>
OO is a prototype language, I thought?
<bougyman>
er JS is
<bougyman>
it's a different OO, is all, I always thought.
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<bluepojo>
well
<bluepojo>
everything is a function in JS
<reactormonk>
bougyman, kind of, but there's not way to add your own types to act like builtin, which is kinda my definition of OO
<bluepojo>
functions have prototypes
<tocki_>
ruby does something similar
<bougyman>
reactormonk: well ruby fails in that.
<reactormonk>
bougyman, where?
<bougyman>
reactormonk: we have no access to the MOP
<reactormonk>
MOP?
<bougyman>
we can't change how the object protocol works.
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<zenspider>
HALP... I actually have no idea how to deal with this
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<zenspider>
in ruby 1.9, strings are arrays of chars... in 1.8 they're arrays of bytes
<zenspider>
in 1.9, StringScanner.pos "Returns the byte position of the scan pointer"
<zenspider>
but if I want to insert something at ss.pos, I can't use []= because that's char oriented, not byte oriented...
<zenspider>
what the FUCK can I do to get around that?!?
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<zzak>
zenspider: you could scan until you're near that position and then insert?
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<zzak>
i dont know ss that well
<zenspider>
ss.string[ss.pos] should return the next char to scan... and it doesn't
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<zzak>
i think you mean ss.pos=
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<tsou>
zenspider: so you are using ss, scanning something, and at the position your scanner is you want to insert something?
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<tsou>
zenspider: off for a shower, but looks like ss.post_match / ss.pre_match can help you.. ss.post_match and ss.pre_match have what you're looking for
<tsou>
whoops doubly-written mess-up, but you got me
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<srih4ri>
One of the tests i am looking at is failing because a caller[1] method is returning the full file name , but the test expects a relative file name.. When does output of caller[1] include full filename , and when it doesn't ? (It has something to do with the way i require files right?)
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<yorickpeterse>
Morning
<apeiros>
evening!
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<rolfb>
morning!
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<tocki_>
what is the meaning of unbound methods
<tocki_>
i've seen that method can be unbound from one instance, and latter on bound to another instance of the same class
<tocki_>
what is the purpose of this (if methods contain no state - since they are not closures like procs)
<tocki_>
what is transfered from one instance to another (aside to the fact that object simply will not (or will) respond to method message)
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<zzak>
i like to wear my crocs when composing lambdas or procs, it provides closure for any instance of my feet getting wet
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<zzak>
yorickpeterse: please test it! one more preview before holidays and then feature freeze
<judofyr>
tocki_: the purpose is so you can close over them yourself
<andrewvos>
erikh: Though I'm not sure I understand how it will work on multiple devices. For example: Android devices have a back button, iphones don't. By very definition you're testing different applications.
<andrewvos>
"by very definition" = "quite literally"
<yorickpeterse>
zzak: I will give it a try this weekend
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<judofyr>
tocki_: they are often used for monkey patching methods: class Foo; old = instance_method(:foo); define_method(:foo) { old.bind(self).call + 1 } end
<yorickpeterse>
Is there any info on the performance impact of the refinements feature?
<yorickpeterse>
judofyr: dude, you need to use a bigger font for your own name
<rolfb>
:)
<yorickpeterse>
wait...wait..
<yorickpeterse>
are all those icons at the bottom X11 windows?
<judofyr>
yes
<judofyr>
600 of them
<yorickpeterse>
rofl
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<tocki_>
i'm still puzzled by nested singleton-classes.. if they can be put to any good use
<tocki_>
right now they just seem like an.. language artifact..
<judofyr>
tocki_: it would make it inconsistent if singleton classes didn't have singleton classes. all objects have singleton classes :)
<tocki_>
true, but since singleton-class is unique for object (why have another one that can be nested)
<judofyr>
hm?
<tocki_>
though if you tried to do something like js prototyping in ruby (via object cloning), singleton_class.singleton_class would be unique for all related objects (all that originate from same primitive object)
<tocki_>
while each cloned object would still have its own unique singleton_class
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<judofyr>
tocki_: if singleton classes didn't have singleton classes, then this wouldn't be possible: foo = "123"; def (foo.singleton_class).bar; 123 end; foo.singleton_class.bar
<judofyr>
it's not a very useful feature
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<tocki_>
true, i just find it confusing.. since singleton class is something unique to object (then what is uniqueness of this uniqueness if not the very same thing)
<tocki_>
i get this from: jruby-1.6.8 :078 > cl.singleton_class.singleton_class
<judofyr>
tocki_: the point about singleton classes is to be able to define methods that are only available on a single object
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<judofyr>
tocki_: #<Object:0x4d37e5> is an object. #<Class:#<Object:0x4d37e5>> is that object's singletonclass. and because all (singleton)classes are also objects, #<Class:#<Class:#<Object:0x4d37e5>>> is that singleton class' singleton class
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<tocki_>
Can there be anything else but "#<Class:" prefix ?
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<judofyr>
tocki_: that's how singleton classes are displayed
<banisterfiend>
tocki_: of course...that just means anonymous class
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<tocki_>
hmmz.. it seems i can't inherit from singleton class even though (its .class is Class)
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<banisterfiend>
tocki_: they have some limitations, for reasons of sanity
<banisterfiend>
tocki_: you can't instantiate them directly, either
<tocki_>
it seems that singleton_class is 'virtual class', not full blood class like others
<tocki_>
is singleton_class only virtual class ?
<banisterfiend>
tocki_: it has some limitations that normal classes do not
<tocki_>
hmmz.. it acts more like module than class
<judofyr>
tocki_: hm… banisterfiend help me out here: is included-moduled called "virtual classes" or is it something else`
<judofyr>
tocki_: but unlike a module it has a superclass
<banisterfiend>
i dont see what you gain by calling them 'virtual', that's just a word, anyway
<tocki_>
true!
<judofyr>
banisterfiend: but included-module-classes are more "virtual" than singleton classes
<judofyr>
because they have pointers into another module's struct
<tocki_>
that is proxy class in inheritance chain ?
<tocki_>
"proxy class"
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<tocki_>
for module
<judofyr>
tocki_: yes. when you do: `class Foo; include Bar; end` then Foo's superclass is set to a proxy class of Bar.
<tocki_>
and it is same entity breed as singleton cousin ?
<judofyr>
tocki_: e.g.: `class Foo < Bar; include Baz; end` creates this inheritance chain: Foo < (Baz) < Bar
<judofyr>
where (Baz) is a proxy/virtual class of Baz
<tocki_>
cool
<judofyr>
tocki_: every class has a method table pointer. a proxy class has a method table pointer which points to an existing method table.
<judofyr>
(Baz) and Baz has the same method table pointer
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<tocki_>
cool, and this is used to resolve method invocations
<tocki_>
its access-able from ruby as object.class.instance_method(false) ?
<banisterfiend>
judofyr: i think the ruby source code refers to both singleton classes and iclasses as virtual classes
<banisterfiend>
judofyr: have you looked at refinements much?
<banisterfiend>
judofyr: is tehre a way to ask a class for a list of all modules that refine it?
<banisterfiend>
i can go the other way, and ask a module which classes it refines..but htat's not as useful
<judofyr>
tocki_: singleton classes always have an unique method table pointer
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<tocki_>
right.. but this is just resolving method invocation (from ruby perspective singleton_class is full blown object)
<judofyr>
tocki_: yes
<judofyr>
tocki_: method invocation always follows the superclass chain.
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<tocki_>
strongly typed languages really *need* OO (badly)
<tocki_>
they *need* complex types, they need a way to handle numerous methods that deal with different types of data
<tocki_>
but with dynamic languages its different.. we just need to organize our code
<tocki_>
its a bit more fluid mindset
<tocki_>
we should not be bound by idea of data-type (class)
<tocki_>
though these `entities` are useful for organisation
<tocki_>
imho
<workmad3>
tocki_: incidentally, ruby is strongly typed
<workmad3>
tocki_: it just isn't statically typed ;)
<tocki_>
lol, i wanted to say statically typed :D
<workmad3>
yeah, I figured :)
<workmad3>
but I figured it was worth pointing out in case someone else misinterpreted what you'd said
<tocki_>
thanks
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<i_like_rails>
I need to traverse a directory and for each result, figure out if it's a file or directory. For some reason, from the Dir.foreach, some of the results are failing .directory? and .file?. Should I be using some other Ruby API for this?
<andrewvos>
i_like_rails: Which results are failing?
<andrewvos>
i_like_rails: Could it be they are a symbolic link, or maybe a "." / ".." ?
<i_like_rails>
andrewvos: It thinks that. and .. are directories, which is fine. But then it thinks that subdirectories and not directories or files, and the same with files. No symlinks, either.
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<i_like_rails>
andrewvos: I'm not sure if the foreach for Dir is just meant to print out file names or what. The name variable is just a String, which seems weird.
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<i_like_rails>
andrewvos: If I use Find.find, it knows which are directories and which are files
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<andrewvos>
i_like_rails: I'm not sure about foreach. You might try Dir["*"] instead. It doesn't list ".." or "." which is good.
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<i_like_rails>
andrewvos: Thanks
<andrewvos>
i_like_rails: Or Dir.glob, but I might get chastised in here because everyone loves [].
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<i_like_rails>
andrewvos: Sure, thanks
<andrewvos>
(They're the same, except glob takes a block)
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<herpless>
is there a function to get all the values from an array and then empty it (while returning the values)? right now I'm doing: values = array.pop(array.length)
<apeiros>
herpless: err, that makes no sense really…
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<apeiros>
but… values = array.dup; array.clear
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<burgestrand>
heh
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<yorickpeterse>
Nice! Keyword arguments work with the old hash syntax as well
<herpless>
apeiros: well, I have a messages buffer, and I want to get the messages and clear the buffer. now, if I were to do values = buffer; buffer.clear or so, there's a short span between those two functions in which a new entry to the buffer could've been added (very small, but possible, I think) and the new entry would be lost. that's possible, yes?
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<yorickpeterse>
Damn, it seems Ruby 2.0 is also quite a bit faster
<yorickpeterse>
test suite (with errors) runs in about 1 second on 1.9.3 and in about 860ms on 2.0
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<apeiros>
herpless: only if you have a threaded env and then you should probably have proper thread safe datastructures in place anyway
<herpless>
apeiros: I am using threads. I'm relatively new to ruby; what's considered a "proper thread safe datastructure"? (eventually have any docs/posts or so where I can read about this?)
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<apeiros>
herpless: in your case, you probably want Queue
<apeiros>
and then there's no reason to get all currently "on the queue" items usually. just process them one by one. which is what you'll most likely do anyway…
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<herpless>
awesome, thanks. i'll take a look at it.
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<reactormonk>
herpless, and I have to say jruby got some nice threading stuff
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<cored>
hello everyone
<cored>
I have a general doubt regarding testing on a web framework
<cored>
I have this sinatra app which is faulting to a nil exception, because of smoething like current_user.projects.first.id
<cored>
before that line I have a line that's says, current_user.projects.count > 1, and then I try to access the id in the first item, the thing is that even when I know that I have to double check that assertion I want to add an spec to assert that the bug is gone
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<cored>
don't know if is better to do thta inside the routes specs, which as far as I can see in others projects they just check for noticing the the actual route returns the proper http code, or add the test some where else. Any suggestion on this ?
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<steveklabnik>
what are sinatra 'routes specs'?
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<ddd>
can someone tell me where I can find info on, or just tell me, the specific role of GEM_DIR? GEM_PATH is for the binaries installed by the various gems, and GEM_HOME (if modified) is for where gems should be installed. But I am failing to find information on what GEM_DIR's specific responsibility is
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<ddd>
I've been googling but not finding specific docs on its role. figured I'd ask here and see if anyone had urls they could throw at me, or a specific explanation of the var's role.
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<ddd>
my other question that directly relates to that (and could be why I'm failing to find the proper docs due to cross-over) is: Is GEM_DIR a *ruby* variable, since gem is part of ruby with the 1.9 series, or is that a variable specifically part of rubygems (rubygems.org)? I've been looking through the docs there too and can't find a specific reference to that specific var's role or usage pattern
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<ddd>
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<ddd>
to be a bit more thorough, I've come across docs like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Ruby which show it set to /usr/share/gems which states its where gems live. But non-project specific information or usage patterns aren't answering to my google-fu :)
<ddd>
hehe thats why i'm asking. i don't know its use
<zenspider>
has nothing to do with rubygems... so....
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<ddd>
i see GEM_PATH, GEM_HOME, and GEM_DIR referenced in many conversations so I went digging. I can find information on the first two but not GEM_DIR, so I'm a bit confused
<zenspider>
again... not part of rubygems
<ddd>
ok. wonder if its just a variable most of the ruby version managers use and thus is specific to that particular role
<ddd>
thanks zenspider. so the only two i really need to know is GEM_(PATH|DIR) correct?
<ddd>
s/DIR/HOME/
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<ddd>
i'll take the silence as a 'duh!' :)
<zenspider>
I have no idea what context you're working within... so I can't ansnwer that
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<ddd>
well, I'm actually working with Dash for OSX which is a doc set lookup tool. Trying to ascertain the needed directories (using the available variables so things aren't hard coded) to look at for grabbing rdocs to dynamically turn into doc sets that are pulled into Dash. (http://kapeli.com/dash/)
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<whitequark>
zenspider: ohai
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<whitequark>
could you post those 182 files which RP currently fails? I'm curious
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