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<whitequark> there was a faster yaml than psych for 1.9
<whitequark> what's the gem name?
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<whitequark> or maybe not
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<apeiros_> moin yorickpeterse
<gnufied> morning
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<frozon> Hello, got an issue with a CSV which ends with a semicolon, when trying to do CSV.open(file_path, 'r:iso-8859-15', {col_sep: ';', headers: true, header_converters: :symbol}) it end up with undefined encode for nil:NilClass. Is there a way to discard last column if nil?
<frozon> header line: name;last_name;phone:mail;zipcode;city;country;
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<AlHafoudh> hi all
<AlHafoudh> where can I find status of ruby patches? for example, does latest ruby-1.9.3-p327 include the falcon patch, require patch etc. ?
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<andrewvos> For learning vim: https://github.com/artemave/slowdown.vim
<tdy> haha what?
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<tdy> maybe i've used vim for too long.. i don't understand the purpose of the delay
<andrewvos> tdy: To slow down the cursor movement. Teaches you not to navigate around with arrow keys or hjkl too much.
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<tdy> ok i agree, that's a pretty good idea
<andrewvos> Might install it actualy
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<masterkorp> andrewvos: cut the arrow keys of your keyboard :p
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<zzak> whats wrong with hjkl?
<spike|spiegel> it's history :)
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<kalleth> i've never got on with hjkl
<kalleth> i like my arrow keys
<spike|spiegel> kalleth: look for emacs's fixation on the ctrl key in there ;)
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<kalleth> emacs?
<kalleth> what is emacs?
<kalleth> oh, that's that coffee maker/day planner/OS that also includes a texteditor
<kalleth> ;)
<vbatts> zzak: cool
<vbatts> zzak: it is my intention so begin covering DL
<vbatts> which is another sticky wicket like the curses lib was
<zzak> DL and Fiddle both
<vbatts> ohman
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<tdy> i think it's more like "don't just hold down l when you could have done w or $"
<tdy> that was the impression i got from the delay at least
<tdy> point of the delay*
<zzak> tdy: oh well yah, b, w, $ and ^ are awesome
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<vbatts> <3 vim
<zzak> vbatts: ill help where i can with your patches, but DL and Fiddle are both maintained by tenderlove
<kalleth> vbatts: :high5:
<zzak> so we can ask him if we run into any trouble
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<vbatts> zzak: yup
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<andrewvos> If a method has "private" before it but it's declared in the top level of the file, what happens?
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<andrewvos> Is it only available in that file?
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<vbatts> andrewvos: your question is a little confusing. are you asking the order of declaration, when using "private", or inheritence of private methods?
<andrewvos> vbatts: Given a file with this content: "private; def blablabla; end;" and another file requires that, what is the relevance of the private keyword?
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<vbatts> then it would be private
<vbatts> but clean it up, and put it in a module or class
<vbatts> the subsequent file _could_ call "public :blablabla"
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<andrewvos> Yeah I get that
<andrewvos> I was just wondering about the scope
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<vbatts> andrewvos: best to programatically elimate the uncertainty :-)
<andrewvos> vbatts: But I am too lazy for that.
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<tockitj_> in case of non-handled exception, do 'ensure' blocks get executed ?
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<Mon_Ouie> Yes, they get executed no matter what happens
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<kalleth> Mon_Ouie: only in soviet russia
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<andrewvos> In Soviet Russia, ensure block execute you!
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<zzak> vbatts: florian merged your patch into json upstream, for future reference use github.com/flori/json
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<vbatts> zzak: ah. i loose track of all the upstreams that ruby has
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<zzak> there are more than a few
<zzak> always good to contact the maintainer and find out if you're unsure
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<matti> ;]
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<matti> zzak: Can you assign this one bug to me (or any you want me to work on).
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<zzak> which?
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<tubbo> where does Ruby store its gem binstubs?
<tubbo> i have ruby installed to /usr/local..
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<yxhuvud> first question is - how did you install ruby?
<manveru> if it's in /usr/local, probably by apt-get
<vbatts> nope
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<manveru> magic?
<GorbiE> hiii,
<GorbiE> anyone here already used mechanize? would like send my code to try find something i'm missing somewhere please.
<manveru> GorbiE: that's what pastebins are for
<manveru> try gist.github.com if you have no other preference
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<amerine> test
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<vbatts> manveru: apt will install to /usr, as it is standard for packagers to install to. /usr/local is for "user" installed files. typically, if you run ./configure && make && make install, it will land in /usr/local
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<mistym> Huh. Can't quite figure out this bug.
<mistym> The #each iterator is behaving differently in two classes that are inheriting from the same class.
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<mistym> #each is meant to iterate through all of the raw audio samples in the song being played by the library, which is done by repeatedly yielding their #next_sample method.
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<mistym> ...but https://github.com/mistydemeo/paula/blob/master/lib/paula/mdxmini.rb - this one endlessly yields the first sample in the song
<mistym> Sample script that shows the problem: https://gist.github.com/4061764
<mistym> If I replace the player.each loop with loop do; stdin.write player.next_sample; end, then both libraries work
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<mistym> Which has me scratching my head since that's what the iterator is doing too...
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<GorbiE> anyone with experience to use ruby selenium/mechanize?
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<methods> GorbiE: very little what's up ?
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<mistym> Any thoughts? I'm running out of things to try.
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<Kainore> what is the biggest Diffrence in Ruby and ruby on rails while programming ?+
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<lianj> ruby is the programming language, ruby on rails is a web programming framework using ruby
<Kainore> ah okay
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<_sillymarkets> Has anyone installed Ruby 1.9+ on SPARC-Solaris2.9 ?
<_sillymarkets> or even Ruby 1.8.7 ... I'm unable to find the .pkg file for 1.8.7, only found 1.8.6
<_sillymarkets> blast, no body :(
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<injekt> _sillymarkets: you might find it's more common that people use a ruby environment managing tool
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<_sillymarkets> I tried RVM. Its not running properly in Solaris.... Actually, whats happening is RVM fails when trying to unzip the tarball file it downloads. Says there is no "tar: -z unknown"
<elfenars> yeah but that does not sound like a ruby problem
<elfenars> more like you have a problem with tar
<manveru> a tar without -z?
<elfenars> uhm
<workmad3> solaris
<elfenars> try
<workmad3> bleh
<elfenars> tar zxfv
<workmad3> ^^ that looks familiar
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<workmad3> it's BSD tar isn't it?
<elfenars> idk about installing ruby on those machines (should be pretty standard)...
<manveru> you can always pipe through gzip if it doesn't know the flag at all
<elfenars> yup
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<_sillymarkets> okay, let me try this out again
<oddmunds> i got ruby running on solaris last year
<manveru> gzip -dc foo.tar.gz | tar xf -
<manveru> something like that
<zzak> _sillymarkets: solaris is unsupported see this thread: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4199#change-32413
<zzak> it may work, but you're basically on your own as there are no maintainers for that platform in ruby-core
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<_sillymarkets> that sucks :( ... you guys dont want to support Solaris anymore?
<drbrain> _sillymarkets: want is the wrong word
<drbrain> _sillymarkets: nobody has the time to support it
<drbrain> _sillymarkets: this person could be you
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<manveru> any reason to still run solaris?
<_sillymarkets> give me about 10,000 hours of catching up before I can do that
<manveru> you might be shaving a yak too many :)
<workmad3> solaris
* workmad3 twitches
<workmad3> as I've heard said - solaris is a fantastic distro
<workmad3> as long as someone else is maintaining it
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<mistym> Sorry to repost, but: https://github.com/ffi/ffi/issues/233 Anyone have any insights on this? May not be FFI-related. Tearing my hair out here.
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<mistym> A method is behaving differently based on whether it's being used in an #each enumerable, or used on its own.
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<zzak> drbrain: /salute
<drbrain> zzak: hey!
<zzak> feeling better?
<drbrain> zzak: meh
<zzak> forget about it
<drbrain> I don't have any DM in my system, so that's an improvement
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<zzak> yeh, i hate when my inbox is full of direct messages
<drbrain> I mean, dextromethorphan, the stuff in cough syrup
<mistym> drbrain: Getting over a cold?
<drbrain> mistym: I think allergies developed into a sinus infection
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<zzak> sounds like just about everyone here in newengland right now
<mistym> drbrain: Sorry to hear that :( That's pretty nasty. Hope you're on the mend.
<zzak> ditto
<drbrain> I'm getting there
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<Kainore> Is there any one who knows of a way to implement a plugin interface for ruby and maybe have a link to share
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<mistym> Hm. I've got a DSL method which does something with a class defined in itself. I have to put it after the very bottom of the module to make sure the class in question is evalled first. Which looks kinda ugly naturally. How can I do that better?
<apeiros_> Kainore: take a look at the butler gem
<apeiros_> Plugins and Plugin class
<apeiros_> old code, needs some love, but IMO quite good
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<Kainore> apeiros_ got a link or ?
<mistym> So, e.g., I'd like to be able to put 'declare_library' right at the top of this MDXMini module: https://github.com/mistydemeo/paula/blob/master/lib/paula/mdxmini.rb Rather than underneath everything else.
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<apeiros_> Kainore: gem install butler ;-)
<apeiros_> the code still lives in svn :-/
<Kainore> i was hoping not needing to install anything
<apeiros_> well, svn then… sec
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<apeiros_> rubyforge's svn link is broken :(
<apeiros_> but no need to install. download and unpack.
<Kainore> Thanks will look at it
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<mistym> Ahhh. That's what that weird bug is! Glad to have that tracked down.
<mistym> Probably a bug... there's a weird side effect in the C library that resets the song data struct when you check the song length.
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<drbrain> mistym: ouch
<mistym> drbrain: Yeah. No wonder it took me awhile to figure out.
<mistym> So my calls to figure out if the song was finished was resetting the song every time it generated a sample. Weird!
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<_sillymarkets> okay, I got permission to install any flavor of Linux over this Solaris box, and uninstall Solaris
<_sillymarkets> All, I want to do is be able to script and run Ruby (future-proof) as well. What OS would you rec?
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<drbrain> _sillymarkets: I hear lots of people use ubuntu
<_sillymarkets> Hm, yeah I was thinking between Ubuntu and Fedora
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<tdy> will you be using rvm
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<_sillymarkets> yeah
<ddd> will work with any of them. rvm has enough internal logic to determine the distribution and populate the rvm requirements
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<tdy> ruby won't really play any part in the decision since you're using rvm
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<ddd> tdy++
<_sillymarkets> it just failed miserably on Solaris (post ruby-1.8.6). Wanted to ensure the other two distros wouldnt see the same thing in the future
<drbrain> _sillymarkets: unlikely, unless Linux drops below 1% market share
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<yorickpeterse> For those interested, here's an early alpha version of the linter that I've been working on for the past few months: https://github.com/YorickPeterse/rlint
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<ddd> wow, went to install it and forgot all about the damned —pre param hehe
<yorickpeterse> I'm more annoyed about the name "rlint" being squatted but there's not much that I can do about it
<ddd> can't you put in a req with qrush to have it removed if its dead?
<yorickpeterse> Well, the owner apparently is thinking of using it again according to a recent blogpost of November
<ddd> ah
<zzak> what about lintr?
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<yorickpeterse> Somebody in #pry already suggested that and I think it's a shit name
<erikh> what does it do that roodi/reek/flog don't?
<yorickpeterse> I'd rather stick with something that makes sense
<drbrain> what about dryer_screen?
<yorickpeterse> erikh: those detect style issues and what not
<yorickpeterse> This detects flaws in your logic such as undefined/unused variables, invalid method calls, etc
<erikh> drbrain: hah
<zzak> ..."early alpha version of the linter that I've been working on..." but lintr is a bad name?
<yorickpeterse> This isn't Tumblr :)
<erikh> what happens when your code doesn't parse?
<erikh> trololololol
<yorickpeterse> erikh: for now it shows a Ruby exception
<zzak> linter is available too
<drbrain> pipe_cleaner
<yorickpeterse> There's still quite a bit of work to do but I need some people to start throwing random bits of code at it
<zzak> im just here to name stuff
<erikh> I'm curious how this would work with a chef recipe
<erikh> which has a lot of implicit stuff in it.
<yorickpeterse> Right now it doesn't handle things such as attr_*, define_method and such at all
<yorickpeterse> Simply haven't had the time for that yet
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<erikh> drbrain, zenspider: can I pick your brain? which do you think fits better with minitest/unit? https://gist.github.com/068468640ddd26889475
<drbrain> erikh: I prefer the latter
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<erikh> drbrain: thanks
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<zenspider> too many parens.
<zenspider> I prefer a mix
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<zenspider> push setup/teardown to VagrantTestcase
<zenspider> no need for silly class methods
<zenspider> instance variables will do fine. as will constants
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<zenspider> why can't they make a VPN setup worth using? I swear they're all written by assholes or imbiciles. maybe this falls into the same rule as "hardware vendors should never write software--apple excluded"
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