<DocScrutinizer05>
nice to scare away annoying visitors
<wpwrak>
a fun experiment would be to breed animals for intelligence. e.g., have a certain population of them, take sperm/egg samples, sterilize them, then train them and rank them by the results. then use genes of the best for the next generation. and so on. ideally, implant the fertilized eggs into the biological mother, so any social learning component can also be propagated.
<DocScrutinizer05>
hey, you watched the results ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
btw somebody did that with bacteria (fast generations) until the bacteria communicated to him by writing letters to him with their bodies on the substrate. Or was that only a SF I've been reading ;-)
<whitequark>
bacterial quorum sensing is a pretty powerful thing
<DocScrutinizer05>
you might ask how the bacteria learned written language. I think they had paranormal powers, and the letters they wrote were about prophecies
<whitequark>
those cats are seriously derpy
<DocScrutinizer05>
the terminator cat is scary
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno why since cats are proverbially notorious for their glowing eyes
<DocScrutinizer05>
brolly red glowing is just a tad unusual
<DocScrutinizer05>
prolly
<whitequark>
well, green glowing eyes are no less scary
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<wpwrak>
the really scare kind of glow is blue
<whitequark>
cherenkov?
<wpwrak>
yup :)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
haha
<DocScrutinizer05>
I had to learn that what I thought was cherenkov blue in water reactors is actually sth else (iirc)
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<whitequark>
odd
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe I double-compensated again. Can't find any records in my wetware archive where this info came from and what was the "alternative"
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe once I thought it was something else and then learned it is tscherenkow ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
damn alzheimer
<wpwrak>
in russia, you learn cherenkov in kindergarden :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
should've used proper fans or exhausts when soldering during my teen times. Pb atoms in the brain create instable memory molecules
<wpwrak>
blame it on quantum metaphysics :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I blame it on inverse tscherenkow in metamaterials
<DocScrutinizer05>
inverse doppler, wtf?
<whitequark>
does Pb even fly in the air while soldering?
<whitequark>
I mean, it is not exactly easy to vaporize
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems like metamaterials have negative speed
<whitequark>
oooooh wait, DocScrutinizer05 prefers "explosive" soldering methods. then definitely
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: nfc
<DocScrutinizer05>
hahaha :-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think solder fumes are pretty toxic
<wpwrak>
more likely, it's all the good flux fumes
<DocScrutinizer05>
hos's flux (usually resin) going to be extremely toxic?
<DocScrutinizer05>
how's*
<DocScrutinizer05>
rosin even
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: well, there are no solder fumes
<wpwrak>
while everyone if worrying about the heavy metal, let's have some fun with the really nasty side of chemistry :)
<whitequark>
the t° of vaporization is so much higher it's not even funny
<whitequark>
flux however... see, in solid form it's mostly harmless. when you heat it, it recombines into all kinds of weird shit
<whitequark>
and chances are that half of it is carcinogenic
<DocScrutinizer05>
meh, nfc
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: "resin" describes large-scale properties. you can still pour any carcinogenic on your lists into it and it still counts as a "resin"
<whitequark>
RMA is "rosin"
<whitequark>
not "resin"
<whitequark>
"rosin" is pine juice
<wpwrak>
marketing name :)
<whitequark>
well, at least here when you buy rosin, it's 100% natural "green" technology
<DocScrutinizer05>
I could easily think of some Pb atoms getting transported away together with the resin vapors, but honestly... I just know solder fumes are considered *extremely* dangerous and thus in industry manual soldering without proper protective measures is forbidden
<whitequark>
I'm frightened to think about when the soldering fat comes
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: yes, that's the rosin incomplete combustion products
<whitequark>
I mean, when you smoke, it's more or less the same shit
<whitequark>
except I guess the industry doesn't directly profit from workers inhaling that or something
<wpwrak>
high time to change that biz model
<wpwrak>
how about big pharma getting into electronic production ?
<wpwrak>
work five years in the fab, live on - government-paid - retosneezol for the rest of your pitiful life
<DocScrutinizer05>
wtf is retosneezol?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sounds like a remedy against flu
<DocScrutinizer05>
(I did a lot of idiotic things when I was young, like sleeping in a pile of glass whool, playing with mercury in my hand, carrying around small qty of uranium, soldering a lot without proper ventilation, .. aso)
<DocScrutinizer05>
.s/idiotic/idiotic hazardous/
<DocScrutinizer05>
not to even start mentioning my chemical experiments
<whitequark>
mmm, mercury
<DocScrutinizer05>
the amount of glycerine trinitrate I flushed down the toilet since I considered it another failure because a drop falling from first floor to the pavement didn't explode... LOL
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, I been 13 or 14
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really smart (maybe I'm not smart today)
<DocScrutinizer05>
must've been a total that would've sufficed to blast away that small house
<DocScrutinizer05>
and then all the "guns" I built ;-P For "ammunition" like crackers with arbitrary stuff to fire through that 1/2" 1m water pipe
<DocScrutinizer05>
with steel balls from bearings you easily could shoot a big hole into a wall with that thing
<DocScrutinizer05>
shooting with putty had funny effects
<DocScrutinizer05>
wow! >>Dieses Magnesiumpulver darf aufgrund bestehender Ausfuhrbestimmungen (außer Schweiz) nicht aus der EU ausgeführt werden<< http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/epages/62081559.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62081559/Categories/Metallpulver/%22Magnesiumpulver%20Special%20Pyro%E2%84%A2%22
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>Frei ab 18 Jahren<< :-D
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I just wonder where the average pyrotechnician gets his oxidizers
<DocScrutinizer05>
feuerwerksparadies.de doesn't sell any, which is a bit strange
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<DocScrutinizer05>
hmmm, seems NaClO3 is "available", and it seems easy enough to create KClO3 from that and KCl
<DocScrutinizer05>
while synthesizing KClO3 via electrolysis from KCl is a PITA
<DocScrutinizer05>
on another similarly OT topic: Putin threats Ukraine to send military troops to protect "russian population". What an idiot! I think USA should send troops to Moskow to protect american prpulation
<DocScrutinizer05>
when the "russian population" doesn't feel safe in Ukraine, then they goddamn shall move their ass out of that country and go to Russia where they belong
<DocScrutinizer05>
nobody will stop them
<wpwrak>
if you think someone should go to war against putin for what he's doing there, the world ought to have gone many times over to war against the US for the things they have done
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<wpwrak>
but i see than mainstream media propaganda is not wasted :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
uhuh
<DocScrutinizer05>
and what makes you think that?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
do you call a translation of a Putin quote in TV propaganda?
<wpwrak>
isn't what you're writing here pretty much the cold war propaganda mainstream media in .de are preaching ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, not at all
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm actually missing any such rationale in TV
<wpwrak>
ah, so they skip the "why" and move directly to the "how". i see
<DocScrutinizer05>
EH?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think you love shorthand conclusions that are based on your own assumptions
<wpwrak>
well, you said they don't give rationale. just play on old fears / stereotypes
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I didn't say that
<DocScrutinizer05>
YOU say that
<wpwrak>
so they give different rationale ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I said they translated a text Putin spoke into camera
<wpwrak>
so they're siding with putin ? now i'm confused :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I'm pretty sure you know about e.g. tagesschau.de mediacenter, to watch for yourself what they actually tell
<DocScrutinizer05>
NOW???
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm not denying you might be confused, but nevertheless I'm pretty sure yiu simply try starting an argument for the joy of arguing
<wpwrak>
i just read the comments on telepolis. and there it sounded as if .de mainstream media was against russia
<DocScrutinizer05>
tzz
<DocScrutinizer05>
when I'm against Putin and what he does and says, then I don't need telepolis or TV for that, I just listen to what he's saying and watch what he's doing
<DocScrutinizer05>
and a statement like "we might send regular troops to foreign country X to protect our own citizens' population there" is a statement that I frown upon, no matter who's saying it and where and what X might be
<DocScrutinizer05>
first send 500 "civilians" then send troops to protect those, then send more troops to protect the first troops
<DocScrutinizer05>
makes a lot of sense, no?
<wpwrak>
oh course, with that argument, pretty much any country can "send troops" pretty much anywhere
<wpwrak>
so i'm waiting for the austrian navy's arrival to protect me against street crime ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I say "go the fuck off and out of this country X, then you don't need troops to protect you from whatever percieved threat you might face here. After all nobody asked you to come here"
<wpwrak>
yes, exactly :)
<wpwrak>
of course, those russians probably have been living there for a long time, so ...
<wpwrak>
and remember when the US sent their helicopters to teheran. little good that it did them, though ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, unlike Krim they don't "live there" in eastern Ukraine
<DocScrutinizer05>
and aiui even in Krim they "lived there2 since 19xx only, after they deported the true local population: the Krim tartars
<wpwrak>
ah yes, that may be the case (non-krim)
<wpwrak>
i see the further engagenment basically as an extension of the krim conflict since ukraine won't shut up
<wpwrak>
not sure what internal tensions they may have there, too. it does seem that it's not nearly as uniform as it may seem from the outside.
<DocScrutinizer05>
btw it's totally irrelevant how long somebody "lives there". Either he got a alien passport then he has no entitlement to ask for troops from his own nation to pester the nation he's living in. Or he is a citizen of the nation he's living in then he has no entitlement (and no reason) to ask alien troops to come and protect him just because he doesn't like the president of his own country. The less he has a right to grap a
<DocScrutinizer05>
kalashnikov and a dozen grenades and raid the next airport or police station or military base to emphasize his claims
<DocScrutinizer05>
just to cry and whine "look! they done me wrong! those bastards" when the soldiers of the miltary base shoot back at him when he tries to climb the fence, after throwing those grenades and shooting at the barracks
<DocScrutinizer05>
oh, btw Putin first time admits there were actually russian troops involved in the Krim separation. Oh really, Mr Putin? REALLY NOW? dang! hadn't thought that!
<DocScrutinizer05>
so what were all those statements "we have no soldiers on Krim involved in the whole riot there"? You didn't know what you're telling, a few days ago? or you simply blatantly lied to the world?
<DocScrutinizer05>
when USa lost all their (little bit) of reputation with the Iraq war, then Russia does now, with Ukraine
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<wpwrak>
i'd say that the US lost a lot of credibility with their 2nd iraq war and the continuation to afghanistan. well, my point of view may also have shifted because i move from .eu to .ar at that time, and got a better look at what colonial forces (including the US) had been doing around here, but i'm quite unconcerned about what russia may be doing these days but treat anything the us are up to with utmost suspicion
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<DocScrutinizer05>
the USA with their satanic "remote-kill rather than prosecute" policy don't justify what Putin is after right now
<wpwrak>
i'm just explaining my perception priorities. as long as putin stays away from the nukes, keeps his fingers off "western" or chinese interests, and doesn't start too much of a bloodbath, i don't care much.
<wpwrak>
and i instantly distrust any warmongerers in the west who see this as an opportunity
<whitequark>
fascinating. the founder of "russian facebook" decided to leave and send his shares rather than surrender ukrainians' data to russian government: https://vk.com/feed?w=wall1_45621
<wpwrak>
neat. he and the founder of lavabit should get together and settle on sealand, perhaps soon last remaining land of the free and un-spied-upon
<DocScrutinizer05>
you'll notice sooner than you thought that Putin already starts to mess with "western interests"
<DocScrutinizer05>
started* actually
<wpwrak>
i mean as in "attack" or "invade". and yes, i worded that poorly. let's say "established western interests". otherwise, the whole world would be off-limits ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
gasprom recently bought vital parts of the EU-borne gas infra, including several emergency stores that should make sure an independence of several months from Russian gas delivery
<wpwrak>
how kind of you guys to let him have that ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
<DocScrutinizer05>
and iirc the massive DDoS to * in Lituana(?) a few years ago been traced-back to Russia
<whitequark>
lol, that doesn't say anything at all
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really
<whitequark>
there are probably a dozen DDoS attacks daily traced back to Russia.
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's the "nice part2 about DDoS and cyberwar at large
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's probably no DDoS that gets down a whole country, except that one I mentioned
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, Ukraine forbid russian males 16-60 y o to enter
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: I'm sure you could use one of those NTP amplification attacks to get down a small country
<whitequark>
I mean, there are countries where the only uplink is a 2Mbps satellite link :p
<DocScrutinizer05>
do a reality check! Lituana is better at IT than e.g. Germany
* DocScrutinizer05
heads off to find the right Zappa record to listen to in this mood
<whitequark>
SORM is, for all we know about it, only able to perform selective interception of mobile phone calls and SMS
<whitequark>
it has no business whatsoever in ISPs, except *perhaps* mobile ISPs, but still more likely not
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod: that's how I read the article's description of its technical implementation
<whitequark>
>direct access to Internet servers
<whitequark>
no such thing
<whitequark>
actually, I'm not strictly against SORM. there are probably cases where you really do need to do wiretapping
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<whitequark>
another data to give you an idea about its capabilities: SORM must be installed by telco on their own money
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm actually not interested a lot in SORM, it's the performance of Putin and snowden that makes me laugh
<whitequark>
obviously telcos aren't going to spend billions on petabyte datacenters, they simply are unable to
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm pretty aware of what SORM might be, given you're prolly using SIEMENS exxchanges, with german standard lawful interception interface
<whitequark>
likely
<whitequark>
ha, actually there is a SORM-3 proposal which is not unlike what US does
<DocScrutinizer05>
the more snowden is acting pathetic
<whitequark>
well, the factual statement that the russian state is acting less evil than us state in some cases is bound to stir stuff up
<whitequark>
maybe that's the idea
<DocScrutinizer05>
but he wouldn't want to disclose details on russian surveillance now just like he did for US surveillance, since then where the heck would he move *then*?
<wpwrak>
i suppose the visa extension comes with some strings attached. having to ask a question putin can safely answer would be a relatively innocent such string.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
likely
<whitequark>
can't really blame him
<whitequark>
the guy's going to be a figurehead-non-grata for the rest of his life. not exactly something to env
<whitequark>
*envy
<DocScrutinizer05>
what been his #1 choice of country to ask for asylum? Norway?
<DocScrutinizer05>
Island
<wpwrak>
well, still lots better than the military torture-jail they put manning in
<DocScrutinizer05>
err Iceland?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yup
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems moving from Moscow to any of those northern-european states couldn't be too hard, even for him, even without taking an airplane which USA could intercept
<whitequark>
with his face all over the news?
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe he's not even allowed to leave russia ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
this might be another part of the deal with Putin
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, doesn't his visa expire soon? didn't he receive a 1 year permission for Russia only?
<wpwrak>
i think it expires in july
<whitequark>
I'm sure he'll get the permission for as long as he wants, as long as he annoys Obama more than Putin :)
<whitequark>
I wonder if there's any "deal"
<whitequark>
maybe there is
<DocScrutinizer05>
the annoying-Obama aspect is dwindling
<whitequark>
I don't think Russia has ever extradited anyone, and especially not to US, so here's that
<wpwrak>
i wonder how many CIA-honeypot snowdens they have in russia
<DocScrutinizer05>
while the annoy-Putin aspect might increase
<wpwrak>
i suppose it depends on how putin sees snowdens attempts to find asylum elsewhere. could be either way. "what, russia not good enough for you ?" or "keep trying. they'll all duck before the mighty US and we'll come out again and again as the land of the truly free and brave."
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<DocScrutinizer05>
on a completely unrelated topic: donations to Neo900 came to a halt
<wpwrak>
yeah, you guys probably need to produce more good news. progress reports, pictures of new hardware, that sort of stuff.
<whitequark>
yep
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<wpwrak>
seems that dos1 heard us :)
<dos1>
I hear everything :)
<wpwrak>
and now we uncloaked the NSA operative in this channel as well :)
* whitequark
was going to say
<dos1>
tomorrow in newspapers: "NSA denies that dos1 is their operative"
<dos1>
;)
<dos1>
ok, so after checking the logs: I'm waiting impatiently for that new proto board Nikolaus is supposed to receive soon
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think he's still busy with layout
<dos1>
:x
<dos1>
the last update was about one month ago, so I agree it's high time for the next one
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<DocScrutinizer05>
dang, already almost a week since last weekend, and my reconvalescence holiday hasn't even started yet
* DocScrutinizer05
feels like some black hole trapped him in time and space
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: you noticed that mentioning of "baseband firewall" on schneier?
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak came up with the link a few days ago
<dos1>
DocScrutinizer05: that one that was triggered very often near airports?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yup
<dos1>
nah, haven't seen it
<dos1>
:D
<DocScrutinizer05>
thought it could use a reply "we're doing this, and more. cheers, neo900"
* DocScrutinizer05
actually pondered whether this cryptophone company was a nice employer for him
<Web-aptosid876_>
tiny compact or small dev boards? lesser evil socs like a20 to mips as long as there not a gpl violator. this is for a diy pockect computer. my plan is to use my improv when enough people order it = I get it in the post but I'm getting impatiante so I'm looking at other options for the short term
<qwebirc93835>
I have a question reguarding the Avalon 2 its a single 100GH unit. It has the Power / USB adapter that mates to the back.
<qwebirc93835>
My question is, Where can i get a replacement USB Adapter / Power Board? I have plugged 2 different powersupplys in to it and nothing happens. But when i plug them in to other devices the psu's work just fine.
<DocScrutinizer05>
avalon2?
<DocScrutinizer05>
100GH?
<qwebirc93835>
yes
<whitequark>
bitcoin miner
<qwebirc93835>
yes it is a bitcoin miner
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<qwebirc93835>
I can give you the board numbers if that would help?