<wpwrak>
no, both have vertical controls multiplexed
<wpwrak>
the Z also has a lot faster updates. Ethernet, DPO, a lot more memory, and so on
<whitequark>
oh, right, then I've been lied to
<wpwrak>
the DS1000E or D are basically cleaned up DS1000C or CD (D and CD have MSO, crappy in the case of CD, apparently somewhat usable in the case of D)
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<shevek>
Does pcbnew completely ignore origins that are placed, or am I doing something wrong? It keeps outputting data with respect the the page corner, and I don't want that.
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<wpwrak>
shevek: there's that user-defines origin but few enough things seem to care about it. not entirely sure which ones do - you sometimes have the option of selecting the coordinate system
<wpwrak>
what i generally do is renormalize the coordinates. that way, kicad is free to do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't contracdict itself ;)
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<wpwrak>
hmm, in addition to the t* (today) commands, qi-bot could also use a set of m* (last month) and maybe w* (last week) filters. that way, one could capture recent trends.
<wpwrak>
e.g., wolfgang, in two manifestations, holds the second place in the words ranking, yet he hasn't said anything for months
<wpwrak>
meanwhile, DocScrutinizer and whitequark who clearly dominated traffic in the last weeks, are placed well below me and - if adding his two nicks - also wolfgang
<whitequark>
!top
<whitequark>
hm, how was that
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<shevek>
wpwrak: Yes, it has "Place the origin point for drill and place files", and "Set the origin point for the grid", but neither seems to have any effect. The user interface still uses the page corner as (0,0) and so does the exported drill file and the gerber.
<shevek>
How do you renormalize them?
<shevek>
I use pcb2gcode for preparing it for a mill, but that doesn't have that option.
<shevek>
That looks very useful. gnuplot format is just whitespace-separated 3-column data? What sort of output does it generate for drilling?
<shevek>
(I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here. :-P)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
believe me you won't love that feature, unless you implement something really smart that doesn't wake your neighbors at night when the client yells for every single line posted
<DocScrutinizer05>
a timeout after signal of maybe 10min minimum could pan out
<whitequark>
what?
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: beep on every new post in this channel
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: >>(I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here.<<
<whitequark>
oh
<DocScrutinizer05>
one beep for a new line after 15min of no posts at all might work
<whitequark>
btw I made a prototype silkscreen stencil CAM
<whitequark>
turns out I'm terrible with dispensing of the aerosol
<whitequark>
it too flows under the stencil
<whitequark>
hmmm, idea: make the stencil out of duct tape. it would nicely glue itself to the board.
<whitequark>
oooh yes, this is the best one I had entire week
<whitequark>
they'd be onetime use only and hard to align though
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<shevek>
DocScrutinizer05: I turn off the sound when I'm sleeping, so that shouldn't be a problem. ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
well
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems almost every IRC client has that sort of notification you're looking for
<DocScrutinizer05>
when highlight option looks for regex, you use .*
<DocScrutinizer05>
et voila, beep on every line posted
* DocScrutinizer05
wonders why putin seems firmly determined to act like an asshat *always*. Support dictators everywhere, act imperialistic like China, and pose like a gay idiot while outlawing free speech that isn't homophobic enough (is this a problem he has with his own?)
<whitequark>
my best bet: because he is a deranged, paranoid asshat
<whitequark>
sadly not deranged enough to clearly not be suited for the position
<wpwrak>
reagan, chavez, bush, kirchner, ... i'd rather say a major mental disorder is a job requirement ;-)
<wpwrak>
well, let's add maduro. not playing in the same league, though
<whitequark>
kirchner is pretty hot. I'm taking it she's even less qualified as a president then?
<whitequark>
oh: "Critics of Kirchner's administration charged it with corruption, crony capitalism, falsification of public statistics, harassment of Argentina's independent media and use of the tax agency as a censorship tool."
<wpwrak>
yeah, that's a good introduction
<wpwrak>
"hot" .. in the sense of attractive ? hmm, how do you like merkel ? she's a couple of years younger ...
<whitequark>
:D
<whitequark>
wow, you're not joking
<DocScrutinizer05>
I wonder if Putin really considered that Ukraine is protected by the atomic forces who guaranteed national integrity for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine abandoning atomic weapons left over from USSR
<whitequark>
and what would these atomic forces do against another atomic force, with a deranged paranoic in charge?
<DocScrutinizer05>
basically, when Russia dares to send military to Ukraine, USA, GB, France would have to send troops and weapons to help defend the country against the agressor
<DocScrutinizer05>
and yes, in the end this could cause WW3
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: see, the problem is that there are existing treaties between UA and RU which permit this troop movement
<whitequark>
so while this is clearly provocative, it was agreed upon earlier
<DocScrutinizer05>
movement maybe
<whitequark>
if it escalates further, yes, it could be a big problem.
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
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<whitequark>
it is sad but probably true that US/UK/FR should rather ignore the treaty, or at least not escalate it through military.
<DocScrutinizer05>
russian troops may be allowed to *move* to their Krim base through Ukraine, but what happens when some Krim Tartars don't like that and start shooting at those transports? The russian troops damn sure have no permission to fight civilians (or anybody, on that behalf) on Ukrainian territory
<larsc>
if they get attacked first they have an excuse
<whitequark>
which is apparently exactly what is planned
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<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that's what I guess is planned and will cause a shitload of trouble
<DocScrutinizer05>
with no way out
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's why I asked why Putin must act like an asshat every single time he has (or hasn't) a chance to
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<wpwrak>
bah, nobody is going to a big war because of a few ukrainians. everybody knows that poland was a mistake. foreign powers have no business in interfering with reasonable politicians settling local issues. like the US did in iraq. all the NRA would agree that guns bring peace and democracy.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
~dict nra
<whitequark>
national rifle association
<whitequark>
a rather radical american right-wing pro-gun organization
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I agree that western politicians are most likely too lame to start a war with russia no matter what russia gonna do in ukraine. And that's what Putin-asshat is counting at
<infoquark>
or something.
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd surely hope no one is dumb enough to start a war with RU. we don't need WWIII just yet.
<DocScrutinizer05>
ack
<DocScrutinizer05>
but then that's a carte blanche for dudes like Putin or the chinese trudheads to do whatever they like to their smaller neighbors (btw also for US to do whatever they like anywhere on this planet)
<whitequark>
I've seen a certain thing voiced: UN was created for one and only one purpose, to keep us from WWIII, at the expense of every non-nuclear state
<whitequark>
which is rather supported with evidence I'd say
<DocScrutinizer05>
at the expense == even by sacrificing ?
<whitequark>
I guess.
<whitequark>
I mean, if you think about it: RU has a permanent seat in UN SC. UN by definition cannot prevent anything RU wants to do.
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's a real PITA that RU and US obviously both think they can do whatever they like. So does China
<whitequark>
I wonder about one thing. US is highly dependent on CN, so they cannot really sanction it without having it backfire
<whitequark>
however RU's economy is rather dependent on the West but not vice versa
<whitequark>
not that possibility of economic sanctions make me very happy, because that means my life is going to become about 100 times shittier
<DocScrutinizer05>
west is dependent on RU gas
<whitequark>
US is?
<DocScrutinizer05>
US maybe not
<DocScrutinizer05>
but EU for sure
<whitequark>
though I can see how it would not be possible to enforce such sanctions unilaterally, due to everything being highly interlocked
<whitequark>
not to mention it's going to wreck oil&gas market this way or another
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<whitequark>
funny thing: deposits of shale gas of enormous quantity which could lessen or remove EU's dependence on RU are in... UA!
<DocScrutinizer05>
go figure: western politicians hope for Putin not risking his *image* he improved with sotchi and some diplomatic success in syria(?)
<whitequark>
putin risking his image? is it not that the image putin strives for is "I can fuck you whatever way I want"?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I thought so, yes
<whitequark>
tbh I'm not sure if sochi even improved his image
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really
<whitequark>
rampant homophobia, absurd levels of corruption
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: (environment) have I missed smth in particular?
<whitequark>
not that I doubt it did take place
<DocScrutinizer05>
no waste concept
<whitequark>
oh?
<DocScrutinizer05>
waste gets dumped where#s place for a landfill
<whitequark>
hm. aren't landfills supposed to have waste dumped in them? and isn't most waste in west going to landfills too?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure, but not to wld landfills that are selected by "where#s nobody looking?"
<DocScrutinizer05>
wild*
<whitequark>
ah, gotcha
<DocScrutinizer05>
already poisons ground water
<whitequark>
*nod*
<whitequark>
and I'm sure regulations for construction in general are dating from USSR
<DocScrutinizer05>
and generally it seems all buildings are literally built on sand
<whitequark>
and I think there was some effort at de-regulating even that, putting it in the hands of industry
<whitequark>
which is BEST. IDEA. EVER
<whitequark>
something like, "industry comes up with a standard it likes and then oversees itself implementing it"
<whitequark>
move from ГОСТ to ТУ, if I understand it correctly, was about that
<DocScrutinizer05>
hey, that always works
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm just happy they didn't need to build a nuclear power plant for Sotchi
<whitequark>
ohhhh power plants. my father told me a few stories he's seen while constructing a high-pressure natural gas plant near Moscow
<whitequark>
I went and drawn a blast radius on a map after hearing those, just in case
<whitequark>
fascinating things like, there is *no* security checks on vehicles going *in* the plant (security guy: "hey" driver guy: "hey" gate opens), but there is stringent security on vehicles going *out*
<whitequark>
to ensure nothing is stolen
<whitequark>
and workers are actually Turkey men on 14-day rotation, the construction company books a charter plane for all of them
<whitequark>
14 days is how long workers can be in RU without registering
<whitequark>
construction (overseed by a reputable western company) should've been taking 1.5 years but is already taking more than 6
<whitequark>
etc
<whitequark>
I've made sure to live no closer than 15km from that station
<DocScrutinizer05>
lol
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