<wolfspraul> good morning qiots
<wolfspraul> DocScrutinizer51: congrats on your success! that is really fantastic news and they should be proud to have you
<wolfspraul> meanwhile I hope you keep throwing a snippet of wisdom over the fence into our ocean of cluelessness sometimes :-)
<DocScrutinizer> let's wait and see what results from today's interview
<wolfspraul> ah, still interviewing?
<wolfspraul> I thought the deal was sealed already :-)
<DocScrutinizer> maybe I can push a bit on Ericsson actually selling "open" LTE modules, even when my possible position as "Master of $arbitrary bus" doesn't suggest I could do much in that direction
<DocScrutinizer> not yet sealed, just highly likely to get signed next week
<wolfspraul> you can try but I doubt you can get any openess beyond lip service
<wolfspraul> I think raster at Samsung is also happily rationalizing himself as a freedom fighter inside Samsung with Samsung oh-so-wonderfully embracing open real-soon-now (tm)
<wolfspraul> the reality of those corps is that they are under huge pressure to deliver continuous and demanding financial results, every quarter
<wolfspraul> almost like a bank with a small engineering leftover :-)
<DocScrutinizer> haha, no I don't think I can save the world :-D
<wolfspraul> if I were to work for such a company on the mgmt side, I would find 'open' too risky
<wolfspraul> rather just focus on the main and largest customers that are really driving volume today, and think about how to serve them and share investment costs among them
<wolfspraul> I do see some pressure here and there though towards open APIs/SDKs etc.
<wolfspraul> I guess the spiraling development costs cause some pain...
<wolfspraul> interesting times ahead, you will have fun I'm sure
<wolfspraul> (if it works out)
<DocScrutinizer> but look, they build chips for LTE, I'm (or maybe will be) in the hw/sw R&D team and have full access to specs and src. I might be able to evaluate value of a particular chip for open hw/sw, and help on whatever obstacles get in the way on exploiting e.g some USB stick with that LTE module in it
<wolfspraul> oh sure
<wolfspraul> it's great for your brain and they will not be able to silence you :-)
<wolfspraul> (and will not want to I'm sure)
<wolfspraul> so you will learn very valuable things for everybody, us poor Qi fellows included
<wolfspraul> for LTE and other high-end RF standard, I am most interested whether there is something that allows spontaneous networking among nodes
<DocScrutinizer> hah, I guess that could only be done by some hacker firmware written for my own pleasure at a weekend ;-D
<DocScrutinizer> loock, the very basic standards work with distincr bands for up- and down-stream, so two mobile equipments are fundamentally not capable of talking to each other
<DocScrutinizer> look*
<DocScrutinizer> both send on band A and receive on band B
<wolfspraul> yes, I know
<DocScrutinizer> though those bands are only some dozen MHz apart usually, the standard will not work for that OOTB and without severe hacks
<wolfspraul> a lot of designs are inherently client-server
<wolfspraul> it's built like this from day 1, because that's the only thing they think about anyway :-)
<wolfspraul> peer2peer sounds like some hippie fantasy...
<DocScrutinizer> then at least GSM is TDMA means it *needs* a central pacemaker clock
<wolfspraul> but that doesn't change my thinking that I am interested in direct networking between peers
<wolfspraul> at least the pile of things to look at shrinks dramatically once you make that requirement, true? :-)
<wolfspraul> I find it 'asymmetric' (to use Werner's words) that I need a megacorp to wirelessly network with my friends
<wolfspraul> so I'm interested in p2p rf options, if we can get that to work well it may allow us to make unique and good products
<DocScrutinizer> there are dedicated "free" bands for such projects
<wolfspraul> yes
<wolfspraul> but we need chips, dedicated for that or hacked/modified
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: hey, sounds like good news. pre-congratulations ! :) when will they let you know their decision ?
<DocScrutinizer> next week
<wpwrak> start on december 1st?
<DocScrutinizer> not exactly 1st I think, that's a bit too short for all the paperwork in a 7000 man company, you know how things are handled there
<wpwrak> heh :) so probably january then
<wpwrak> good. so we have time to pick your brain some more :)
<DocScrutinizer> nah, they explicitly asked me if I could start pre-Xmess
<wpwrak> funny. they want to pay you for the holidays :)
<wpwrak> ah wait. they're all on the weekend this year. clever :)
<DocScrutinizer> I think this year holidays are perfect for *them*
<wolfspraul> this looks interesting http://www.hughski.com/
<wolfspraul> he's using geda, all sources there etc. https://gitorious.org/colorhug
<DocScrutinizer> feels like Scotty, shouting "Computer, search route to Hauptmarkt!" at N9 with voicetogoog running
<wpwrak> xiangfu: heh, a wiki page with 2000+ entries, just explaining how to exit each application. that would be fun ;-))
<xiangfu>
<xiangfu> wpwrak, Hi. I have a kernel opps. needs your help.
<wpwrak> what did you do to your kernel ? :)
<xiangfu> wpwrak, those documents is not easy. hope we also have a magic 'apple' key can always go back to 'gmenu2x' maybe. :)
<xiangfu> I trying very hard scp the demsg to downloads.qi-hardware.com
<wpwrak> pastebin ?
<xiangfu> the networks(openvpn) sometime very slow. ping give your 50% package loss. and 600+ms.
<xiangfu> it's the ks7010 driver.
<xiangfu> I try to find out the call trace. seems all is not relate about ks7010 and mmc driver.
<xiangfu> I don't know how to find more info from kernel oops message. learning that today...
<xiangfu> here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/kKM0iUC1
<wpwrak> queue_work_on, printk, queue_work, __mmc_claim_host, <module>, default_wake_function, ...
<wpwrak> and on top enqueue_task_rt
<xiangfu> is the 'ra    : 8004e1a4' make you find out queue_work_on?
<wpwrak> i just looked at the call trace
<kyak> xiangfu: btw, the instruction for nupdf are outdated anyway, because it is part of the image, no need to copy :)
<xiangfu> wpwrak, is this help? : http://pastebin.com/6r18tySh
<xiangfu> is ready for next release. now I have to fix the SDIO wifi bug. then release the images :)
<xiangfu> this image include a new boot slash screen. and wpan.nn script file. :)
<kyak> xiangfu: ah cool! will you copy the toolchain to qi-hw.com?
<wpwrak> it's some null pointer that you're getting there. but i'm not sure where it comes from. you may want to add a printk to __mmc_claim_host to examine the content of *host
<wpwrak> maybe check if the pointer is sane at all
<xiangfu> kyak, yes. already. just not modify the 'latest' link.
<rejon> gotta document more things
<xiangfu> wpwrak, ok. got it. will report later.
<wpwrak> maybe something is amiss with host->detect
<xiangfu> kyak, (nupdf) yes. it already included. :)
<xiangfu> rejon, (colorimeter) yes. cool. maybe it can connect to nanonote. then this colormeter don't needs any driver. or install any app in PC. just Colormeter + Ben nanonote is enough.
<wolfspraul> I doubt that as it would most likely want to talk to a USB Host
<xiangfu> wolfspraul, yes. it is USB Host.
<rejon> i need to reflash my nanonote
<rejon> i hope i didn't brick it
<xiangfu> wolfspraul, I want say is : if the device don't needs any driver  etc. just open box. powerup. then it working . will be cool. then current 'Colormeter' :)
<xiangfu> rejon, update your 'reflash_ben.sh' first. :)
<rejon> yah
<rejon> will do
<xiangfu> rejon, make sure you use the latest version of reflash_ben.sh
<rejon> i'm about to take my markers to the nanonote
<rejon> to improve the case
<rejon> sharism beijing tomorrow
<rejon> more milkymist demos
<rejon> should sell some nanonotes on the spot
<rejon> xiangfu, wolfspraul
<rejon> sharism presents beijing will now be monthly
<rejon> keep moving locations
<wpwrak> rejon: how do you demo the M1 ?
<rejon> will just leave it running in the background
<wpwrak> rejon: and to what kind of people ?
<rejon> what i would really like is the image support to work
<wpwrak> hmm, that's not so cool :-(
<wpwrak> that's the USD 500 screensaver
<rejon> so it could just cycle through the twittersphere, and pull images
<rejon> wpwrak, ha
<rejon> ha, lots of these people already seen the demo
<rejon> i just keep it with me all the time
<rejon> casual
<wpwrak> you should show it off. play it. like an instrument
<rejon> not that kind of event
<wpwrak> just for a moment
<wpwrak> show why it's cool
<rejon> :)
<rejon> i like it in the bg
<rejon> i'm not really into the foreground, performance ;)
<wpwrak> bah
<wpwrak> courage. you can do it ! nothing sells if it's kept in back of the storage room :)
<wpwrak> you should try it. it's fun. you can also let others play with it. use my MIDI RMX. that one has all the basics
<wpwrak> of course, you may need to upgrade your travel case if you also add a MIDI controller :)
<xiangfu> wpwrak, maybe we add a demo patch. that support current Android/iPhone OSC application.  
<xiangfu> wpwrak, since everyone in the meeting will be using iPhone or Android phone. :)
<xiangfu> wpwrak, oh. no. it have to modify the osc source code to accept the different osc message.
<xiangfu> not just 'patch'
<wpwrak> yes,why not. i don't know the droid/iPhone app world, but if there's some nice multifunctional controller there, that ought to work
<wpwrak> use MIDI-over-OSC ?
<wpwrak> well, you need a PC anyway, to go from WLAN to ether. so you can also do the translation there. liblo is your friend :)
<wpwrak> i was pleasantly surprised how easy the whole MIDI to OSC translation was. i think it took me longer to get that controsc to build that it took me to write midi2osc :)
<xiangfu> wpwrak, for you it's easy. not for everyone. at least not for me :D
<wpwrak> xiangfu: naw, just look at it. you can find all the ingredients conveniently in controsc, oscsend, and - for osc to osc - oscdump
<oogabooga> anyone have a fake or broken or toy CPU for sale?
<kristianpaul> but still closed hw it seems, i would no trust that thing..
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: USB analysis tools (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ed85930
<kristianpaul> now i see why people keep saying nanonote a password wallet ;)
<wpwrak> and that thing probably isn't a password wallet anyway
<kristianpaul> hi Artyom
<Artyom> hello kristianpaul :)
<kristianpaul> Artyom: how is your milkymist hacking going?
<Artyom> Very exciting ;)
<Artyom> I've spent a lot of time installing all required software for linux ;)
<Artyom> I tried to run carlos project but with no success :(
<Artyom> Today I found Zet-processor project and I will try to use their SDR SDRAM controller
<Artyom> I also spent a lot of time studing documentation on milkymist.org site.
<Artyom> Now I have understanding of how many things are done in milkymist SoC
<Artyom> I must say that I'm impressed by the amount of work that was done by lekernel and the rest.
<Artyom> The more I study milkymist SoC the more I like it :) I'm a little disappointed by the fact that I didn't know about it earlier ;)
<Artyom> And how is your success with using front-end clock?
<kristianpaul> late... sorry... damn unexpected meetings..
<kristianpaul> Artyom, basically the same, clock seems to be OKAY but system dont boot, i know i had let something uncofigured..
<kristianpaul> tryin to find what..