<kyak>
but these leads to other major updates.. for example, gmenu2x input system had been rewritten
<wolfspraul>
kyak: ah I had a question, sorry maybe it was discussed before (need to check irclogs...)
<wolfspraul>
did you see this one guy on the list who said we should enable --nls to make utf8 work in the console
<kyak>
therefore, we need to change input.conf in gmenu2x in openwrt-packages.. and maybe something else.. i'm afraid it could lead to mess :)
<wolfspraul>
what do you think about that?
<kyak>
wolfspraul: actually, it is not necessary
<kyak>
nls usually refers to localized program strings
<kyak>
and utf-8 (or multibyte) is a feature supported by the program itself..
<wolfspraul>
hmm, OK
<wolfspraul>
need to read again what exactly he wanted then
<kyak>
and we actually have it supported CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_ASSUME_UNICODE=y
<wolfspraul>
he proposed a patch which said improved the situation for him, not sure which app or use case it was
<kyak>
therefore, utf-8 is already working in utf-8 aware programs
<kyak>
(examples are busybox, vim, sdcv .. i don't know what else)
<kyak>
with fbterm, the complete unicode is supported
<kyak>
in console, only 255 chars is possible to display (usually)
<kyak>
so one needs to add according glyphs to console fonts
<xiangfu>
kyak: thanks for update gmenu2x. I also found the gmen2x input have update. we definitely need update the input.conf
<kyak>
ben-cyrillic does that for cyrillic glyphs
<kyak>
xiangfu: good you agree.. i'm testing this thing now..
<wolfspraul>
are we including ben-cyrillic by default?
<kyak>
as a "module"
<wolfspraul>
we should include more console fonts by default, cyrillic, chinese/korean/japanese, I could probably find a few more :-)
<kyak>
so it should be easy to users to install it with opkg
<wolfspraul>
I think we should add it to the image
<kyak>
wolfspraul: it is very hard
<kyak>
i have to edit the font file for setfont2 manually
<wolfspraul>
installing is a very big burden for many people, especially as our installer is not very user friendly yet
<kyak>
also i think 255 symbols is not enough for chinese support
<wolfspraul>
hmm, OK
<kyak>
Chinese people should use fbterm
<kyak>
russian people may live without fbterm :)
<djbclark>
wolfspraul: long ago you asked me some question, and since then we haven't seen each other on at the same time... so whenever this conversation is done feel free to bring whatever that was up :)
<wolfspraul>
can we make fbterm the default?
<wolfspraul>
what is the difference between fbterm and jfbterm?
<wolfspraul>
hah
<kyak>
if we make fbterm as default, we would loose nice fonts of setfont2
<wolfspraul>
what was the question? no idea...
<wolfspraul>
I'm always just worried that you are alive and happy :-)
<wolfspraul>
I may be in the New York area again soon, maybe I should come back to Cambridge for a drink
<wolfspraul>
will definitely take/try public transport this time
<kyak>
(setfont2 is not working in fbterm)
<wolfspraul>
hmm, work everywhere I guess. How hard is it to make setfont2 work with fbterm?
<kyak>
and basically fbterm and jfbterm are doing the same job.. i don't know what is the spectacular difference between them
<wolfspraul>
any opinion on jfbterm (j = japanese)
<wolfspraul>
?
<xiangfu>
yes
<xiangfu>
j = japanese
<kyak>
they both support unicode, both consume the same memory..
<kyak>
fbterm seems to be in developemnt though
<wolfspraul>
maybe jfbterm just includes by default some japanese fonts or keybindings
<kyak>
setfont2 is using custom fonts, that can compensate for Bens specific LCD.. each symbol has to be created manually (in png file)
<kyak>
this is modified font file for ben with cyrillic support
<kyak>
fbterm is using ttf fonts..
<kyak>
this is completely different form how setfont2 works
<kyak>
but perhpas we can ask Neil
<kyak>
he, who created setfont2
<djbclark>
goes to look at logs re: wolfspraul ...
<kyak>
another issue is input.. while cyrillic input works, it is pretty hard to type.. though i can type blind in cyrillic, Ben's keyboard is confusing
<kyak>
and there are 33 letters in russian alphabet, not all of them can be assigned to 26 english letters
<djbclark>
wolfspraul: oh I guess we did catch up, I just owe you a microblog... this sound okay?
<djbclark>
News of !qihardware the most !copyleft !freesoftware friendly hardware - RSS http://en.qi-hardware.com/feed/rss20.xml - !freedomincluded to sell !nanonote soon...
<wolfspraul>
ahh
<wolfspraul>
it was that
<wolfspraul>
yes please
<wolfspraul>
I will push out the 11/1 community news tomorrow
<wolfspraul>
so the timing is excellent
<wolfspraul>
or maybe you wait until tomorrow, then if someone looks at the feed first they see the latest news, then maybe they subscribe...
<wolfspraul>
right now the latest news is just an editorial, and before that is a bit old...
<djbclark>
wolfspraul: sure, just ping me or give me a New_York time to do the post tomorrow.
<wolfspraul>
Monday morning is fine, whenever you get up :-)
<wolfspra1l>
djbclark: we have a shortener for example for the commitlog urls, so I just setup this one http://qi-hw.com/f/rss
<djbclark>
wolfspra1l: ah cool I'm sure I can make that one fit... sec... although ping does its own annoyinng thing if URL is too large... which is probably a good tip-off that I should start using something else... I remember someone mentioning a decently nice gnome app...
<djbclark>
News of !qihardware !copyleft !freesoftware friendly hardware -Â Â RSS http://qi-hw.com/f/rss - !freedomincluded !nanonote + !librewrt soon :)
<djbclark>
and going to look for more freedomy ping.fm replacement now :)
<djbclark>
Ah Gwibber
<djbclark>
Erg doesn't do linkedin...
<wolfspra1l>
man, I just arrived in Shenzhen, the firewall has some pecularities here
<wolfspra1l>
first my openvpn traffic is so throttled that I rather go naked through the censors (i.e. unencrypted)
<wolfspra1l>
at least it's faster
<wolfspra1l>
now I cannot even use flickr!, need to turn openvpn back on
<wolfspra1l>
we need to crank up and make all this a lot more user friendly
<wolfspra1l>
I want a 'magic' network layer that will just try whatever works, measure speeds, use anything from unencrypted to steganography to vpn to whatnot, and flip between them for every packet as needed!
<wolfspra1l>
get my data through the pipe! :-)
<wolfspra1l>
even dns tunneling if it has to be, I don't care
<wolfspra1l>
djbclark: yeah but I need China quality
<djbclark>
wolfspra1l: I assume you are aware that is a thing
<wolfspra1l>
I need a layer that will just try ANYTHING
<wolfspra1l>
without asking, jsut try try try, get the data through
<sujan>
hi i just flashed my nano using the script .. i also copied nupdf into /usr/bin .. i created the data folder in home folder and added one simple pdf file.. while i tried to open the file, screen goes blank and stays like that.. i had reboot at the end.. any suggestion why i'm facing that problem?
<xiangfu>
sujan: it's probably because uClibc 0.9.32 problem.
<xiangfu>
sujan: you can try old images. which is uClibc 0.9.30. test nupdf again.
<sujan>
ok thanks
<sujan>
can i install that using opkg?
<xiangfu>
sujan: no. you cann't. we must reflash the whole rootfs system. (root.ubi)
<wpwrak>
hates power failures and fsck. power down for ~1 h, then 1.5 h of wrestling with super-nanny fsck and patronizing ubuntu to get my system back :-(
<kd35a>
i tried both power+u, and shortcut the usb boot-pin under the battery while powering on
<kd35a>
now when i have the battery in/usb plugged in, the device makes a clicking noice
<kd35a>
btw, just so that i undertood the shortcuting of the usb boot-pin correctly, i shortcut the two pins in that area right? not usb boot to gnd?
<kd35a>
does anyone know what could have happend/gone wrong? is the mtd0 (NAND boot partition) "zerod out" so it won't boot?
<kristianpaul>
kd35a: ( usb boot to gnd) no way
<kristianpaul>
kd35a: do you have last xbusrt tools inst?
<kristianpaul>
also reflash script?
<kristianpaul>
how many times did you tried to reflash the nanonote?
<kd35a>
kristianpaul: i just downloaded xburst-tools_0.0+201007-1_i386.deb, so from what i know it's the latest
<kristianpaul>
ok
<kristianpaul>
yeah it seems
<kristianpaul>
what abotu the second question?
<kd35a>
kristianpaul: reflash-script also just downloaded, just tried once
<kd35a>
just tried once --> answer to third question
<kristianpaul>
try again
<kristianpaul>
please
<kristianpaul>
but before
<kristianpaul>
are you using the usb cable that came on Ben box?
<kristianpaul>
are you suign a usb HUB?
<kd35a>
from the script "__VERSION__="2.1.1""
<kristianpaul>
yeah is last
<kd35a>
kristianpaul: nope, i'm using another usb-cable, and i do not use an usb-hub
<kristianpaul>
is first time you tried to reflash?
<kd35a>
the problem is that when push the power button, power+u, shortcut usb boot+power - the device does nothing, and i can't find it with lsusb
<kd35a>
kristianpaul: yes, first time
<kristianpaul>
let see
<kristianpaul>
you seemed have no uboot
<kristianpaul>
thats why nothing happen after poweron
<kristianpaul>
or do you get some messsages and no boot?
<kristianpaul>
otherwise you'll have to do usb boot fitting the two pins under the battery
<kristianpaul>
it should who soemthing in lsusb
<kristianpaul>
jsut try again
<kd35a>
when i do dpkg -L xburst-tools | grep bin/, i get the same answer as what's told on the wiki
<kristianpaul>
ok so thats OK, let focus on usb boot
<kristianpaul>
do you have the rubber thing that came on a small plastic bag in your Ben box?
<kd35a>
nope, i just got the device (second hand from a friend, the box is coming later)
<kristianpaul>
carbon rubber*
<kd35a>
i tried with a key
<kristianpaul>
oh well
<kristianpaul>
ouch
<kristianpaul>
you'll get some time getting it to boot
<kristianpaul>
just try again
<kristianpaul>
try fir usb boot pins before plug usb cable
<kd35a>
also tried with those rubber things on old-school keyboards
<kd35a>
ok, shall try again
<kristianpaul>
yeah those shold work
<kristianpaul>
should*
<wpwrak>
one more item: it takes some time for the ben to discharge. remove battery, disconnect usb, wait 30 seconds (!), short the usb boot pins (and keep them shorted), connect usb, wait a couple of seconds, then release the usb boot pins.
<kristianpaul>
hey that go for the wiki !
<kristianpaul>
writing
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: 30 seconds, long time i think
<kristianpaul>
but guess same as in laptops
<kristianpaul>
szie dind matter seems
<kristianpaul>
dint*
<kd35a>
the device still doesn't show up with lsusb :(
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: yeah, 30 s is fairly long. you can probably get away with less. but ... the minimum, or rather, the delays that i found weren't sufficient, are quite large.
<kristianpaul>
kd35a: you relly need a trusty tool to fit the pins
<kristianpaul>
as the rubber that came within the box
<wpwrak>
kd35a: sometimes, it takes a few tries. it virtually always works, but sometimes it's hard to make a good contact.
<kristianpaul>
indeed
<kristianpaul>
dont give  up !
<kd35a>
wpwrak: kristianpaul ok, shall try some more times
<wpwrak>
kd35a: also, make sure you don't break the contact on the usb boot pins until a few seconds after plugging in USB.
<kd35a>
i read something about this device beeing "unbrickable", is that realy true? sounds too good to be true for me...
<wpwrak>
(i've already mentioned it here. maybe you've seen it already.)
<kristianpaul>
yes i remenber
<kristianpaul>
i like mostly how look the PCb in the picture
<wpwrak>
what's especially nice about it is that i finally got the uSD board geometry right. in all the things i did before, it was a little off.
<wpwrak>
i should have scraped off the copper at the edge. or, better, the toner that left it there. i could just not print the edge, but it helps a lot when positioning the paper.
<wpwrak>
hmm, qucs doesn't want to simulate crosstalk in a ribbon cable :-(
<kristianpaul>
.
<kristianpaul>
Could not open parallel port (null) :-/
<wpwrak>
huh ?
<kristianpaul>
I'm running xc3sprog trying to program the cpld
<kristianpaul>
but so far the jtag cable is not detected..
<wpwrak>
hmm, simulation says that crosstalk should be troublesome on a ribbon cable. even if only ~20 cm. glad the ones i made for f32xbase are much shorter :)
<kd35a>
hi again :p now i'm trying to get WiFi to work with the SPECTEC SDW-823
<wpwrak>
grr. Gerber is pure anarchy :-( some of the codes kicad uses seem to be completely undocumented. they're easy enough to figure out, but one has to wonder ...
<wpwrak>
well, doesn
<wpwrak>
t actually seem to be real gerber. just a similar-looking fake. it also has real gerber, but then loses the ability to pick apertures. grmbl.
<kristianpaul>
ahh i was confused then
<kristianpaul>
i tought was from then but in fact is the fab@home
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: (gerber) seems to be same problem with custom gcodes and mcodes
<wpwrak>
yeah, i guess everyone feels a need to make up their own :)
<kristianpaul>
i have tow 3d printing machines, and i dont know why there is no starnd
<kristianpaul>
indeed
<kristianpaul>
s/tow/two
<kristianpaul>
i dont know if is same with CNC machines
<wpwrak>
wow, even two machines ! i know of the cupcake. what's the other one ?
<wpwrak>
with cnc it's probably similar. mine doesn't even speak g-code but RML-1, some bastardized HPGL
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: cupcake and reprap
<kristianpaul>
reprap is son of cupcake :p
<kristianpaul>
i could resist build one ;-)
<kristianpaul>
we need a kicad developer evuanlly join this channel
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: he, no idea. You are too fast :-)
<wolfspraul>
I work on 20 things in parallel, so it's slow unless it's at the top of the priority list, which this isn't.
<wolfspraul>
plus I'm mostly interested in a clean, documented, fast & efficient process
<wolfspraul>
not an address book with some wild contact infos...
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (process) yeah :) i'm just curious how it turned out. now that i have explored a bit in this direction as well, i now have a better understanding of the issues.
<wolfspraul>
oh wow, the 11/1 news on the planet look crazy! :-)
<rafa>
wolfspraul: you asked me to give you some screenshot after boot finished. The next beta 4 version (which will have a version without packages with patented technologies) looks like this after boot :
<wolfspraul>
plus, keep in mind, for anything Jlime we first have to solve the patent issues
<kristianpaul>
and 12-01 will by sure
<kristianpaul>
ahh true
<kristianpaul>
well
<wolfspraul>
we cannot first include/link/etc. and then at some point later fix the patent issues
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
that order will not go down very well
<wolfspraul>
but I understand they are on it, so it's all good. just keep in mind - as long as those issues are not 100% solved yet, we shouldn't link yet.
<kristianpaul>
ok
<kristianpaul>
i forgot that before mail to list :/
<kristianpaul>
but i'm adviced now :)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (forgot) you mean the mail where you mentioned the name "jlime" in the context of the fpga stuff ? if that would imply an infringement on some mp3 patent, then i think we could as well get you hanged for just breathing ;-)