<rafa> I know how to write argentina in ch :D
<rafa> ?9÷4
<logictheo> I found Issue 73 "software controlled brightness, but  it's currently not implemented" . Before I went to sleep I wanted read an ebook but the brightness was too bright. Maybe I should change all the text to brown so that it doesn't hurt my eyes(as a temporary 'workaround' solution)?
<logictheo> (by the way I use 'lynx oz-of-ozma.txt' just as an example of how I currently read ebooks)
<kyak> since you are reading in web browser, you indeed can change the text color to grey or brown
<bartbes> does anybody know what this means?
<bartbes> Makefile:63: *** Download/default is missing the VERSION field..  Stop.
<bartbes> that went well...
<logictheo> I underestimated the ease of changing colors in lynx
<bartbes> go bot:
<bartbes> oh
<bartbes> oops
<qi-bot> [commit] bartbes: Updated to new version of nlove (and now uses hg repo) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c6552a1
<bartbes> (had to rebase, forgot to pull first)
<kyak> changing color in lynx as easy as adding relevent html tags
<bartbes> wpwrak: it sure does
<wpwrak> here's another one, haskell instead of ruby this time: http://github.com/jgm/gitit
<wpwrak> uses pandoc for conversion. alas, pandoc can't use MediaWiki as input. http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
<wpwrak> github uses some multilingual markup system, interfacing to markdown, textile, rdoc, org, creole, rst, asciidoc, pod, man (groff), all but the last two completely unknown to me.
<bartbes> markdown is epic
<bartbes> and textile is what they were using before
<wpwrak> is markdown good ? at least the basic version looks fairly limited. e.g., no tables.
<wpwrak> which of course spawned extensions, like in pandoc. history repeating itself over and over again and again ;-)
<bartbes> Markdown's syntax is intended for one purpose: to be used as a
<bartbes> format for *writing* for the web.
<bartbes> Markdown is not a replacement for HTML, or even close to it.
<bartbes> (from a syntax manual thingy)
<wpwrak> yeah, i saw this
<wpwrak> my question is - what would be painless enough to actually make a transition possible ?
<wpwrak> transition of the qi-hw wiki. i hate web-only interfaces :)
<wolfspraul> I am pretty sure MediaWiki will continue to be the #1 free wiki software, nothing comes even close to it.
<wolfspraul> I won't load more tools on my admin shoulders, MediaWiki + Indefero and the assorted tools around them is enough
<wolfspraul> there is this MediaWiki filesystem project, but unfortunately it's abandoned
<wolfspraul> maybe it will be reactivated one day, who knows
<wolfspraul> the moment werner has his filesystem view he won't care about the rest anymore :-)
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: yeah, the filesystem view is what i'm after ;-)
<wpwrak> that is, read and write
<wolfspraul> sure
<wpwrak> alas, this means that you really ought to have a version control system underneath
<wolfspraul> also my personal opinion, while this gitwiki at github is really cool, and it's no surprise that the GIThub audience likes it, I am always a bit careful when a good tool is over-extended into areas it was not originally designed for
<wolfspraul> learnt my lesson
<wolfspraul> I remember how I was totally hooked on extending IRC to multi-party video chat once...
<wolfspraul> argh
<wpwrak> ;-))))
<wolfspraul> git was designed to deal with source codes, and the very delicate dependencies among the many different files
<wolfspraul> we all know it
<wolfspraul> conflict resolutions, cherry-picking, what not
<wolfspraul> if a wiki is about _documents_, then that's just different
<wolfspraul> documents have embedded graphs, pictures, even videos
<wolfspraul> document != source code, in the end
<wolfspraul> so let's see
<kristianpaul> sphinx.pocoo.org
<wolfspraul> it definitely seems like an improvement from the earlier github wiki
<wpwrak> "put myself on fire, jumped out of an airplane, into a swamp, in the middle of a war zone" may be an instructive experience, but then i doesn't necessarily mean that you should shun transportation in general ;-)
<wolfspraul> so no wonder they are forcefully upgrading everyone to the new git-based one...
<wolfspraul> like I said, when it comes to wikis, I feel very good with MediaWiki
<wolfspraul> right now
<wolfspraul> it's a really really great piece of software
<wpwrak> i think the web-based interface can just stay simple. it wouldn't lose any functionality. you can reserve the fancy bits for the command line.
<wpwrak> last time i checked, the conflict resolution model was along the lines of "someone else changed what you were editing - please reload and do it again". has this changed ?
<wpwrak> (speaking of mediawiki)
<wolfspraul> he, don't know
<wolfspraul> this happens so rarely... it's not sources :-)
<wpwrak> it must happen a lot in the edit wars on wikipedia :)
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: Revert "Replace OpenWrt banner with a custom NanoNote banner." http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7000e6e
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move the NanoNote banner to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/70a8137
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move NanoNote special files to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d5e9dcd
<viric> Hello
<viric> I'm trying to write an udev rule for when the 'usb0' network device appears (nanonote)
<viric> How to match it? SUBSYSTEM=="net", NAME=="usb0" does not work for me
<viric> ah, found in the openmoko web, I think
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move NanoNote special files(build, reflash_ben.sh) to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cae1615
<kristianpaul> bbl
<wpwrak> also interesting - a distributed bug tracker: http://bugseverywhere.org/be/show/HomePage
<fossrox> heya DNS777 :D
<DNS777> hola :)
<viric> I want to put images accurately on screen...
<viric> how much do I have to worry about the special LCD in the nanonote?
<viric> and what is the way to worry about it?
<kyak> viric: why do you have to worry?
<kyak> use fbi or imgv for viewing images
<viric> I'm writing my own viewer
<viric> I want to display 15000x15000 pixels jpegs
<viric> And both fbi and imgv load all the uncompressed image to memory.
<viric> so, no way.
<viric> Do they have code for the special screen of the nanonote?
<kyak> you check?
<viric> I did not check
<kyak> you should at least understand how they work before trying to do something of your own
<viric> I know how they work
<viric> I have zoom working and I'm doing the scroll.
<kyak> but you didn't check, how do you know?
<viric> Ah, sure I checked imgv and fbi for the image loading part.
<kyak> zoom is working and scrolling, too in fbi
<viric> It is not that I *wanted* to write my own :)
<viric> I know that they work. But they cannot load a 15000x15000 jpeg in the nanonote :)
<kyak> i'm not sure my laptop can do that ;)
<kyak> what are you trying to do anyway?
<viric> kyak: I mean that with libjpeg, it's not needed to load all the uncompressed pixels into memory.
<viric> kyak: but that is what both imgv and fbi do.
<kyak> can you write a patch for them not to do that?
<viric> I don't mind having repeated decoding.
<viric> For fbi, impossible. It's all designed for having the image whole on memory
<viric> For imgv... it would be about making the code much bigger.
<kyak> i found fbi pretty fast.. again, what is your target? why you attempt to view this big images in Ben?
<viric> I have maps.
<kyak> it's like 45 screens to scroll to view the whole image (without resize)
<viric> I want to use the nanonote as map viewer.
<viric> Sure, I'll have zoom.
<kyak> have you tryed NanoMap?
<viric> My maps are cartographic
<viric> not PGS
<viric> not road-related
<kyak> that'a 19th century, my friend
<kyak> :)
<viric> I don't want to use it as map for a city
<viric> I do mountain climbing :)
<viric> I also use compasses :)
<kyak> ok
<kyak> how about that - you can split your big image into pieces
<kyak> and write a script for viewing them
<kyak> using imgv or fbi
<viric> It's far easier to write a SDL program, for me :)
<viric> and I enjoy the process, too. So, all fu.
<viric> fun
<kyak> well as you wish.. if you ever succeed, please let me know :)
<viric> ok, don't worry
<viric> but I imagine I'll do something simple that will "work for me" :)
<kyak> actually, NanoMap is working this way
<kyak> in has tiles and downloads/displays them
<viric> And how much will take a 15000x15000 map ? :
<viric> :)
<kyak> you can calculate
<viric> In fact 5000x5000 would be enough
<viric> a map I have here of that size takes 10MB.
<kyak> i used NanoMap with ~1Gb data, which i pre-downloaded on my laptop
<kyak> it ran smooth
<kyak> tiles might be the way to go
<kyak> instead of messing with memory/not memory :)
<viric> no, I don't like tiles :)
<viric> nanomap is for another job, I think.
<viric> I only want to be able to display big pictures.
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: updated some glyphs, added pre-png file http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0be554f
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: boom/Makefile: new target "db" to build or update the database http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/6ba3a56
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: manu/Makefile: run a recursive make on all subdirectories http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/a6c65c7
<wpwrak> phew. now this works again, too.
<qi-bot> [commit] Erwin Lopez: Uploaded the first Beta to test in the development group http://qi-hw.com/p/sie-ceimtun/8f2a9cc
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i have some delays here about the scope meter, so i deciced not forgot it but debug later and trust the data from the SiGE evb, so i hope have some raw data this sunday :)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: he. no worries.
<wolfspraul> delay = you are working on the right thing :-)
<wolfspraul> you should ask wpwrak about it...
<wpwrak> ;-))
<wolfspraul> he's the master of producing great results, but also the master of delays
<kristianpaul> i'll do the CPLD thinf that wpwrak is askign me for long time ago ;)
<kristianpaul> jsut in case
<kristianpaul> thats was actually i wanted to debug signal first
<kristianpaul> but damn we need copyleft scopemeters ;-)
<kristianpaul> yeah i want delay to make sure all works as is supposed to, not suppose that it will work after powering up
<kristianpaul> s/i/why
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: what i think would be nice to have is a number of fast but low-resolution ADCs. that way, they're not so expensive. then, hook all this up to an FPGA and connect a few GB of PC memory on the other side.
<kristianpaul> i got one ADC 10Mhz from Ti
<kristianpaul> but was before you advised me i need at least 80Mhz..
<kristianpaul> hmm
<kristianpaul> good point
<kristianpaul> fast no res
<kristianpaul> s/no/low
<kristianpaul> few GB..
<wpwrak> 10 MHz is DC ;-)
<kristianpaul> he
<kristianpaul> i just have 800Mb ram actually :-/
<kristianpaul> but yeah ram is cheap those days..
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: are you aware of soem of this ADC you recommend from TI?..
<wpwrak> the trickiest bit would be visualization
<kristianpaul> s/from TI/in TI stock
<kristianpaul> indeed
<kristianpaul> timing..
<wpwrak> hmm, i found something that looked halfway promising, but i don't remember from which company. 6 bit resolution.
<kristianpaul> oh
<wpwrak> i think you need at least 5 bits for signal analysis. 6 should be quite comfortable. then make 8 or more channels.
<kristianpaul> with 3 channels is enought for now
<kristianpaul> or i'll end doing a logic analizer.. with the SIE
<kristianpaul> but i *really* want explore/debug analog signaling before jump digital.
<wpwrak> i'm surprised you're so worried about signal integrity here. had some bad experiences ?
<kristianpaul> no bad no good. so i want check
<kristianpaul> no precious experiences ;)
<kristianpaul> previous*
<wpwrak> you're not telling me this is your first circuit ? :-)
<kristianpaul> as i said i can ignore this, mae  SPI-to SPI on the CPLD
<kristianpaul> no no
<wpwrak> (ignore) yup. maybe there's even some test pattern mode or such ?
<kristianpaul> i can look for a pattern on data out right
<wpwrak> (ignore) in any case, you can tell by the clock whether your signal is right or wrong. clock is usually the fastest and thus most sensitive.
<kristianpaul> the light will come when i got my first PRN code founded ;-)
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: i was thinking same about clock
<kristianpaul> i have thec counter :)
<kristianpaul> i'll move to digital..
<kristianpaul> :-)
<kristianpaul> if something go wrong (readings) i can have the lab next week i think
<kristianpaul> and debug
<wpwrak> sounds like a plan :) clocks are tricky anyway. it's easy to get a crystal wrong, etc.
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: (first circuit) in terms of radio receiving signal (not counting classical RF modules), yup
<kristianpaul> hmm
<kristianpaul> well yes i know i must do some clock domain sync
<kristianpaul> i was reading about it sebastien push me as soo he noticed i was doing a counter
<wpwrak> (clock domain sync) you mean in the spi-spi bridge ?
<kristianpaul> well not
<kristianpaul> in the counter part
<kristianpaul> i'm not sure if apply for SPI-to-SPI
<kristianpaul> i was planing a 3 state buffer and no more..
<kristianpaul> or do some "memory" blocks
<wpwrak> hmm. i think the tricky area when it comes to clock domains will be the access demultiplexing logic. of course, if you have dual-ported ram blocks, they may take care of some of the headache.
<qi-bot> [commit] Erwin Lopez: Changed src in Beta with example to all 4 PWM at 100% http://qi-hw.com/p/sie-ceimtun/cc225fc