<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: at least from my perspective, no need to study this further. bash >= 4 it is :-)
<wolfspraul>
but it means that someone on Debian lenny cannot build fped without cherry-picking a testing bash.
<wpwrak_>
it's probably safe to set the dependency to bash >= 3
<wpwrak_>
unfortunately, i can't test it on my system with a version 3 bash, be cause that one doesn't have imagemagick - and a ton of blockers when i try to install it :-(
<wpwrak_>
(it's an ancient gentoo that strictly adheres to "never change a running system" :)
<kyak>
viric: i'm using lynx on Ben, personally
<viric>
kyak: same here
<wolfspraul>
the 12/1 community news are not in good shape, so maybe we push them forward to 1/1 ?
<wpwrak_>
wolfspraul: maybe s/Wikipedia pages/pages on Wikipedia/ ? that way, one is less likely to mentally substitute "wiki" and thus get a little confused (like i did :)
<wolfspraul>
the page needs a lot of editing, imo
<wolfspraul>
that's why I'd rather push it out to 1/1
<wpwrak_>
wolfspraul: would be nice to have Ethernet OUI and the USB ID close to each other
<wolfspraul>
it's just 'draft notes' right now
<wpwrak_>
the november edition wasn't *that* much more detailed ...
<wolfspraul>
that's a while chart there! (ben-wpan antennas)
<wolfspraul>
wild
<wpwrak_>
(knitting) ah, that one actually made it into november. so one item less to write :)
<wolfspraul>
why is the legend on the right side extending into the graph?
<wpwrak_>
(legend) because that's where gnuplot puts it by default :)
<wpwrak_>
this plot just gives a rough idea how the various antennas behave. each nnnA or nnnB is a different antenna. the 0 or 1 at the end is the number of the measurement run
<wpwrak_>
for more detailed comparisons, i just pick a few data sets
<wpwrak_>
i'll take a picture of the antennas in a bit. camera batter is recharging ...
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: ahh, my fault, in that time i wasnt aware of all the Scope  features, actually i was hoping to find at least 100Mhz Scope
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: did you write this? "Incoming Support for SIE sofware devel enviroment in OE/Jlime platform" (sorry too lazy to check in the page history :-))
<wolfspraul>
what does it mean? "incoming support"
<kristianpaul>
oh sorry
<kristianpaul>
well you said "just write it i'll fix later"
<kristianpaul>
wait
<wolfspraul>
he, sure :-) I can fix it, but fix == delete :-)
<kristianpaul>
Work in progress support ...
<kristianpaul>
i think sound better
<wolfspraul>
the page needs a lot of editing anyway, like I said I am voting for pushing it to 1/1
<wolfspraul>
what's the value of rushing out sloppy news, don't know...
<kristianpaul>
sure
<wolfspraul>
I will try to edit it a bit later, currently busy testing the first Milkymist One RC2 board...
<kristianpaul>
me too i'm just taking freakast i'll edit in some hours
<kristianpaul>
see ya
<wolfspraul>
enjoy
<kristianpaul>
is that bad if i put a link to jlime.com (fot the Jlime and SIE related news)
<wolfspraul>
I would not do it, but we have lots of links to openwrt.org too
<kristianpaul>
sure np i can mention i think is easlly findable in g00gl3
<kristianpaul>
yes it is
<kristianpaul>
ok leaving now
<kristianpaul>
i edited wiki please look and comment, wpwrak_ too :)
<wolfspraul>
he :-)
<wpwrak_>
wonders what kristianpaul is having for freakast ... eyeballs of white mice slaughtered by seven black cats at midnight, perhaps ?
<wolfspraul>
for me the format is Who did what, why, what's the benefit. [url]
<wolfspraul>
also news != announcements, imo. So I wouldn't say something is 'in progress'. That just means the 'news' should come later when it's done.
<wpwrak_>
"electronic lab" or "electronics lab" ?
<wolfspraul>
too incremental is no news either
<wolfspraul>
well maybe I do go over it with a sledge hammer later today, only to avoid that someone pushes it out at the current quality level tomorrow :-)
<wolfspraul>
but I will cut a lot...
<wpwrak_>
news/progress depends a bit on the target audience and if you have enough "real" news
<wolfspraul>
that's why I say just push it out, it's not edited to a readable standard yet
<wolfspraul>
we'll see. edits are good, thanks kristianpaul!
<wpwrak_>
(target) e.g., you also want to show the project is alive. if everybody is busy with long-term stuff that's still activity.
<wolfspraul>
incremental stuff is not good, imo
<wpwrak_>
okay, even less material to beat into shape then. you'll finish even before the deadline ;-)
<viric>
larsc: do you know if there should be any trouble using an RGB32 pixel format in the nanonote framebuffer? Do you know details on the framebuffer?
<larsc>
the framebuffer uses RGB32
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul, wolfspraul: for the UdV entry: "electronic lab" or "electronics lab" ? is the intended meaning "the branch of physics that deals with the behavior of electrons" ? (from CIDE, "electronics"). in think in spanish, the equivalent word is "electronica" (singular), german "Elektronik"
<wpwrak_>
(NB: "Elektronik" and "electronics" have a dual meaning, namely the underlying physics and their application. i think it's the same in Spanish, too.)
<wpwrak_>
of course, then there is "fedora-electronic-lab" ... :)
<wpwrak_>
... which may also be a double entendre. hmm. google favours "electronics lab" 5:2
<viric>
wpwrak_: for me it looks like the difference on taller electrónico / taller de electrónica
<wpwrak_>
viric: yeah, it's clearer in spanish ;-)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: (freakfast ) now way, some bread, eggs and "platano" chips with "jugo de guayaba"
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: (electronic lab*) well actually i dint came up with that name, it just was here in the qi wiki one day, i just follow it as a cow ;)
<kristianpaul>
before electronic lab* it was called hardware hacker board
<kristianpaul>
so..
<kristianpaul>
i really dont care about it, for me just call it SIE (whatever it means in spanish)
<kristianpaul>
SIE Board, thats it :)
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: no, i mean "use their 150 Mhz Digital Oscilloscope in their electronic lab."
<kristianpaul>
ahh
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: or do you mean that the university called their e-lab "hardware hacker board" ? (possible, but unusual :)
<kristianpaul>
that one
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: you think the correct is electronics lab?
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: i think so, yes. see also "dict electronics"
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak_: sure sure, please edit my enlgish brain dictionary is kinda small i trust you
<wpwrak_>
kristianpaul: but i'm not entirely sure what the status of "electronic lab" as a potential synonym is. any native english speakers around ? :)
<kristianpaul>
:/
<kristianpaul>
he
<viric>
I also think 'electronics lab' looks better
<viric>
(My vote is not from a native english speaker)
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: dsv (search): quote file name, so that we can also look up names with spaces http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/e928d82
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: dsv (setup): make sure file ends with a newline, so that we can "read" it http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/f207be6
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: dsv (list): use "ls -b" to avoid confusing "column" with 8 bit characters http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/4f65593
<wpwrak_>
andres-calderon: phew. you're a good tester :)
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_: I am  not  a very good tester, but I'm ready for testing.
<wpwrak_>
andres-calderon: heh, about a fifth of the names you used triggered some problem in dsv. that's pretty good ;-) (well, or very sloppy on my part :)
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_: ok, I like to help ... Your project  is very pertinent.
<wpwrak_>
andres-calderon: btw, dsv is case-sensitive. so those long upper-case names may get a bit inconvenient. well, when you use dsv a bit, you'll get a feeling for which names are convenient and which aren't.
<wpwrak_>
heh, thanks :)
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_: ok
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_: I would like to help coding, I can help in low-priority tasks.
<wpwrak_>
andres-calderon: anything specific you were thinking of ? which programming languages are you comfortable with ?
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_:  C/C++/python/bash/java  (and php, but is a bit embarrassing :) )
<andres-calderon>
wpwrak_:Â Â I can help in the program that compares PCBs, if it has not been started.
<wpwrak_>
great, almost all major languages !
<wpwrak_>
the pcb comparator is indeed something that's not done yet
<wpwrak_>
and it would be very very useful to have
<wpwrak_>
if you want to do it as a comparison of postscript, then a first step could be to add a non-interactive postscript "plot" to pcbnew, similar to my --plot option for eeschema
<wpwrak_>
a word of warning, though: kicad is written in - in my opinion - quite ugly C++. so it's not easy and you need a strong stomach :)
<andres-calderon>
I thought of integrating XMPP to kicad to provide a mechanism for online collaborative work . But I do not think I have enough time soon.
<wpwrak_>
(proof of concept) sounds great
<wpwrak_>
(xmpp) hmm, sounds like a major extension. you should propose/discuss such things on the kicad developer's list.
<andres-calderon>
ok, I will write soon on the list.
<andres-calderon>
the antfarm look great :)
<wpwrak_>
making an rf circuit work is messy stuff ... :)
<andres-calderon>
RFÂ Â look like magic for me.
<wpwrak_>
i think it is :)
<DominicChow>
hey guys
<DominicChow>
what is this chan about?
<rafa_>
kristianpaul: gta02-core has not traffic.. the project waited Sean (openmoko owner) to send freerunner parts IIRC.. and he promised but he did not do
<rafa_>
kristianpaul: but better if you ask gta02-core main developer :D
<roh>
i wouldnt bet on that.
<roh>
(getting any parts)
<wpwrak_>
yeah, rather unlikely now ...
<wolfspraul>
andres-calderon: hey Andres, you are here now! cool!