03:27 <brolin_empey> “<jonwil> I dont think there exists a laptop made in the last decade that doesn't have some kind of hidden secret code running on it not in the control of the user.”

03:27 <brolin_empey> The Dell Latitude X1 has a Pentium M CPU but that is 1 year past the range of the last ten years. There may be a notebook computer from the last ten years with an Intel Core (original, retronym: Core 1) CPU that does not have AMT/ME. IIRC, Apple originally used Core 1 before switching to Core 2.

03:27 <brolin_empey> There are also notebook computers with a VIA x86 CPU that I think are still from within the last ten years, such as the HP Mini Note 2133 (IIRC? I think that was the model name?). I do not think that Intel and AMD are the only makers of x86 CPUs since year 2006 but I am not certain.

03:27 <brolin_empey> Is there any specific indication that AMD has something like Intel’s AMT/ME? I have heard speculation that AMD has something similar but have not seen any specific indication that AMD does indeed have such a thing.

03:27 <brolin_empey> What about PowerPC notebook computers from Apple? They may be outside of the range of the last decade but only by a few years.

03:27 <brolin_empey> There was some crowdfunded hackable ARM notebook computer from the last year or two but I forgot the name of the project.

03:30 <brolin_empey> Do x86 Chromebook models have AMT/ME?

03:35 <brolin_empey> I guess that a MIPS notebook computer, such as the Ben NanoNote, does not have something like AMT/ME.

03:39 <brolin_empey> Speaking of non-x86 notebook computers, is there a portable Itanium (Itanic) computer?

03:53 <brolin_empey> Nothing I have redd about the Amiga seems to mention that Commodore never released a portable Amiga model even though Commodore did release a portable Commodore 64(/128?) model, the SX-64, and Atari released two portable Atari ST models after Jack Tramiel left Commodore for Atari.

03:59 <brolin_empey> Well, I guess that a portable Commodore 128 would have been named the SX-128 instead of the SX-64. IIRC, the SX-64 was released before the C128. I remember that the C128 was introduced in year 1985.

04:01 <Oksana> Ben Nanonote sounds neat, just a little under-powered. Is it possible to make a more powerful version, while still having similar size, copyleft hardware, and so on? Like, upgrade CPU from Jz4730-or-Jz4720 to say Jz4770 ? Or would 256kB L2 cache and FPU and GPU add too many problems?

04:06 <brolin_empey> Oksana: I do not know. The only MIPS computers I have that I can name off hand are a Sony PSone (miniaturised, last generation of the original PlayStation) and networking appliances, such as my Asus RT-N16.

04:14 <brolin_empey> Oksana: Are you a Russian or Ukrainian (or Belarusian or Georgian) woman?

04:15 <Oksana> Originally born in Russia, yes. Does not mean that I am living in Russia

04:21 <brolin_empey> Oksana: “Originally born” makes it sound like you have been born multiple times. “Originally from” is probably a better expression.

04:22 <brolin_empey> Or “Born in”.

04:23 <gry> :-)

05:07 <wpwrak> brolin_empey: maybe relocating was like starting a new life :)

05:43 <brolin_empey> Heh, I got pulled into (the English-language) Wikipedia again. Yes, the SX-64 was released in 1984, one year before the C128 was released. The C128D/C128DCR is kind of a portable C128 but without an integrated display.

05:47 <brolin_empey> jonwil: Check the log for this channel beginning at 20:20 on Thursday in the Pacific time zone (UTC -7 hours).

05:49 <brolin_empey> = 03:00 on Friday in UTC.

05:51 <jonwil> ok, yeah fair enough, there are a few niche products out there that are open enough to be trustable but you cant trust most mainstream laptops (even though chromebooks may not have Intel management engine, they still have all sorts of closed blobs doing who knows what secret stuff)

05:53 <brolin_empey> jonwil: Also, from 17:04 on Thursday in UTC: <Joerg-Neo900> I wish jonwil would see http://paste.opensuse.org/89902906

05:53 <jonwil> yeah I saw that

05:55 <brolin_empey> jonwil: OK.