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Good morning everyone!
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beach >
tempate: Your indentation seems off.
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beach >
tempate: Your PROGN should be indented 2 spaces, but then, since LET has an implicit PROGN, you don't need it.
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<
beach >
You can use with-slots to avoid repeating (slot-value deck 'cards).
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beach >
But then I advise against using slot-value in favor of using a slot accessor.
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tempate >
What's wrong with slot-value?
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beach >
It is very low level. Usually, you design a data structure around classes and generic functions. That's known as a "protocol".
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beach >
A protocol is a generalization of an interface in other languages.
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beach >
Just as you don't want to access fields in a structure or class directly, you typically don't want to access Common Lisp slots directly.
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beach >
That's just basic software engineering.
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beach >
But for this small a problem, it won't matter.
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tempate >
oh, I see. Thank you.
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beach >
But you should definitely use WITH-SLOTS.
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<
beach >
clhs with-slots.
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<
specbot >
Couldn't find anything for with-slots..
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beach >
clhs with-slots
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beach >
Yes, much better.
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beach >
If you care about performance, using a vector would be better.
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White_Flame >
it would have to use a different algorith, though
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tempate >
At the moment performance is not one of my priorities
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tempate >
It would make more sense to make hit a method, right?
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beach >
White_Flame: Right, you wouldn't use DELETE.
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you could add a count to the class to cache the length, so you don't have to recompute it, which would be a fairly easy optimizatin
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tempate: It would be a generic function, but it might be overkill for this problem.
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what are the differences between C++ classes and Lisp's?
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tempate >
White_Flame: oh, right. Let me try to do that.
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beach >
tempate: Common Lisp classes don't have methods in them. Encapsulation is accomplished with an orthogonal mechanism known as "packages".
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(and packages aren't really "encapsulation" because you can always still poke into them; there's no real data hiding in CL, besides closures (and you can use implementation tools to poke into those, too))
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tempate >
oh, I see
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tempate >
It does sound like an overkill
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yep, and you see how optimization tends to make things bigger and less independent
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White_Flame >
(oftentimes)
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if some external code munged your list behind the scenes, the prior version would still work, while this would get confused
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for initial development, it's advantageous to have code as clear and flexible as possible, even if it's slow
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putting the screws to it to make it faster tends to come after it's settled down
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"Premature optimization: the root and stem of all evils."
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I think that this bon mot is one of few causes of a very sad state of software today
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not that it doesn't have some truth to it, just that people stick to it even when they absolutely shouldn't
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jackdaniel: What are you referring to?
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to "premature optiimization is the root of all evil" - efficiency is not a feature which may be implemented aposteriori, it is often a trait of software architecture
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And, yes, I agree.
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Sunday thought: I don't get to use Lisp for my work ATM but this is still my favorite non-work IRC channel... thank you, people. Back to lurking.
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momozor >
do you guys know how to enable cors with clack?
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momozor: you need to customize headers
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i.e (200 (:content-type "text/plain" :access-control-allow-origin nil) whatever)
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momozor >
jackdaniel: thank you so much!
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hello. has anyone here tried to use websocket-driver and send messages to clients from a different thread? It doesn't seem to work. I'm not sure if I'm going crazy or if I'm doing something wrong...
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