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<pjb>
jfb4: well, the tag isn't necessarily stored in the same word as the integer bits.
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<pjb>
jfb4: the tag could be stored in a separate byte, perhaps near the word where the integer is stored, perhaps not. Perhaps it's not even associated directly with the integer, but instead, with the memory page, ie. the address where the integer is stored (integer or other type).
<pjb>
jfb4: note that usually tags in fixnums are stored in the lower bits instead, since it makes it more easily to manipulate on a normal 32-bit processor (additions and subtractions can be performed without change, multiplications and division by prefixing or suffixing a shift operation on one of the arguments).
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<ebrasca>
Good morning!
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<no-defun-allowed>
Good morning beach!
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<jmercouris>
I can't call the callback function though
<shka_>
see the above
<jmercouris>
it is handled by webkit2:webkit-web-view-run-javascript
<shka_>
this is function that can be called like C callback, so call it like c callback
<shka_>
:-)
<jmercouris>
it is like a C callback
<jmercouris>
so you are saying I can substitute my own callback functio
<jmercouris>
instead of js-execution-complete?
<shka_>
i think i don't understand this, let me read
<jmercouris>
let me try to re-explain
<jmercouris>
I have webkit-web-view-run-javascript which runs some javascript in C land, and calls js-execution-complete with the result of that javascript
<shka_>
yes, please
<shka_>
ok
<jmercouris>
I want to take that javascript result and call my OWN callback
<jmercouris>
which I specify by passing into web-view-execute
<shka_>
reasonable
<jmercouris>
does that make more sense?
<jmercouris>
so my original way of doing this was having some global state like (defparamater callback-fn (lambda (x) (print x))) and then I'd funcall (callback-fn..) within js-execution-complete
<shka_>
ok, so i suggest to define callback with defcallback, pass it as pointer whetever it is needed, and then foreign-funcall-pointer it when it is needed
<jmercouris>
can you please explain this further for me, I'm not sure I understand
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<jmercouris>
I have a defcallback already made
<jmercouris>
what is the purpose of this new one?
<shka_>
ok so you have js-execution-complete callback
<jmercouris>
that is correct
<jmercouris>
and it accepts the correct number of arguments
<shka_>
and you want to call another callback within it
<jmercouris>
which will be automatically invoked by webkit-web-view-run-javascript WHEN the javascript has completed evaluation
<jmercouris>
I want to call my own custom callback within it
<jmercouris>
I want it to be a simple lisp function that accepts one argument
<jmercouris>
(defun my-callback (x) (print x))
<shka_>
ok, so typically C APIs work by passing void* pointers holding arbitrary state
<shka_>
is this a case here?
<jmercouris>
I'm not sure, I don't remember the API
<shka_>
therefore i recommend to pass another callback as your user data
<jmercouris>
I can pass a lisp function as my void*?
<shka_>
and the call it as you would do with a C code
<jmercouris>
that will work ? and it won't lose its mind?
<shka_>
no, you can't
<Nilby>
You'd have to name it an pass the name as a string or something, because the callback is in lisp isn't in C memory, so you can't just put it in a void*
<jmercouris>
so I could pass the symbol string value or so?
<jmercouris>
what if it is a lambda
<shka_>
jmercouris: you can pass pointer to callback defined with defcallback
<shka_>
and the pointer can be obtained with (get-callback ...)
<jmercouris>
shka_: say that again?
<jmercouris>
so I can do (get-callback (lambda (xyz) (print xyz)))?
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<jmercouris>
no wait, I cannot
<jmercouris>
I must always use defcallbackk
<shka_>
ok, so i am saying that I recommend to rewrite your lisp function callback to cffi callback, pass pointer to it as user data and call it as C function
<shka_>
which i demonstrated above
<jmercouris>
that's the problem
<jmercouris>
I'm not the only user of this function
<jmercouris>
and I can't expect everyone to write CFFI callbacks
<jmercouris>
is there a way to transform the lisp function transparently to a CFFI callback?
<shka_>
hmmm
<jmercouris>
I was hoping to be able to use a closure or something, anything
<jmercouris>
you know it's OK, I'll think about it for a bit and get back to this later
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<jmercouris>
some times these things just need time to settle
<jmercouris>
In the worst case I'll go back to a global hash table of callback IDs... :-D
<jmercouris>
or maybe I extend wekit-webview-run-javascript so that it is not obvious that is what is happening :-P
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<shka_>
yeah, i really don't know, i never quite figure out what is the best way to pass lisp objects to C
<Nilby>
Symbols are already a hash table, so if you just name it you get it back.
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<jmercouris>
IF you name it
<jmercouris>
which does not allow for lambdas
<jmercouris>
then again, I might make a macro that transparently gensym or something
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<Nilby>
Yes. You can gensym, and even put in a separate package if you want.
<jmercouris>
that's an interesssante idea
<jmercouris>
I'll play with that later
<jmercouris>
thanks
<decent-username>
Is there a variable you can set to disable "Sort slots alphabetically" inside the *slime-inspector*?
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<decent-username>
Or rather: I know that such a variable exists. How do I figure out it's name?
<decent-username>
currently I always have to uncheck that box whenever I inspect an object.
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<lieven>
you could try APROPOS with a few likely strings
<decent-username>
lieven: I was thinking about a variable inside Emacs.
<lieven>
emacs has apropos too
<jmercouris>
you could search the slime source
<jmercouris>
there is oftentimes documentation within the source about things which are not in the manual
<decent-username>
jmercouris: Guess I'll have to do that.
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<pfdietz>
QL release day? What systems will have broken and be thrown under the bus...
<jdz>
Only the naughty ones!
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<jmercouris>
I'm speechless
<jdz>
jmercouris: At least you can still type!
<jmercouris>
Luckily :-)
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<edgar-rft>
QL release day - was it in jail?
<Xach>
pfdietz: dbd-oracle is one
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<Xach>
I'm basing this on the 1.5.8 build list. punting on 2.0.x for now
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<_death>
is the caution with 2.0.x because of the feature list changes?
<Xach>
_death: there are some more aggressive checks for other things too
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<_death>
I see
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<Cymew>
Xach: I see. Well. I hope it can get out of beta eventually. Proud "Quicklisp supporter club" member anyway. Your work is appreciated.
<jmercouris>
how to deallocate widget in cl-cffi-gtk?
<jmercouris>
enough to remove references to it and it will be cleaned up?
<Xach>
Cymew: thank you!
* Xach
submits his first slime patch in a long time
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<jmercouris>
In the "software engineering" field, we have a computer language called Lisp. It was invented near the dawn of civilization (or so I've been told), and that the cuneiform tablets of Sumeria contained the prototype of the parenthesis that became the hallmark of a Lisp program
<Xach>
jmercouris: I think the theory is that some people need a shock to break out of old patterns of thinking. Some people, I think, do use that technique with virtuous goals. But it's also used by sadists and bullies, so.
<_death>
Xach: that's a nice patch, hope it will get merged sometime ;)
<Xach>
and sometimes Smug Lisp Weenie is just used tongue in cheek
<_death>
Cymew: I recently enjoyed re-reading his "my biggest lisp project" blog post
<Xach>
_death: i have a few for sb-introspect based on some of my #sbcl questions lately
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<Cymew>
_death: I never could figure him out. He was something of a loose cannon.
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<jmercouris>
Xach: I don't think that ever works, except on few people that are very headstrong
<jmercouris>
I thought a weenie was a type of sausage though or so
<jmercouris>
or maybe someone from Vienna?
<_death>
Xach: the other day I had a new slime patch as well.. I don't know when it started exactly, but for a while now if you press 'v' in the debugger to view source of code in a defmethod, there's a #:***HERE*** symbol stuck near the culprit, so I always had to search for it in the buffer.. welp, https://github.com/death/slime/commit/4921a08c1b9fffb9f79f709972a3c1b8816fe571
<beach>
Cymew: Here is a story for you. A few months before the first ELS we were in Amsterdam for ECLM. So since I was the local organizer of the first ELS I invited everyone to attend. KT said something like "Never will I go to something like that, ECLM is the ONLY REAL LISP VENUE" and he said it very loud.
<beach>
Of course, ECLM is now gone and ELS is still here.
<Cymew>
beach: Sounds like the guy I remember, yes.
<_death>
Xach: there are other patches there as well, that may be useful
<jmercouris>
Hm, why was he so sour?
<Cymew>
He tended to show a strange mix of brilliance and childishness.
<_death>
was it thought to be competing with ECLM?
<Xach>
_death: what's the deal with the #:***here*** symbol?
<beach>
_death: No, they were completely different.
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<beach>
At ECLM speakers were invited. Usually from industry.
<beach>
ELS is an academic conference.
<_death>
Xach: the source shown is a macroexpansion, and #:***here*** is the way sbcl marks the place I guess
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<Xach>
_death: interesting
<_death>
beach: I see
<beach>
_death: ECLM was fun, but different. It was great to see all these people, including Arthur and Edi, the organizers.
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<beach>
In Europe, everything is close, so many people would attend both, and for good reasons.
<_death>
beach: I bet :)
<jmercouris>
I've long suspected beach is secretly American
<jmercouris>
I have more and more evidence by "In Europe, everything is close" lol :-D
<jmercouris>
no European would say that
<beach>
jmercouris: I have lived in 5 countries on 4 continents.
<jmercouris>
well, I didn't see a denial there! :-D
<Cymew>
I have lived in north america, and as a European I also say "everything is close in Europe!".
<beach>
Heh, I am sure a visa would be required of me, were I to go to the US any time soon.
<beach>
I lived in Auckland for a year, and there were around 10 Lispers within a radius of a 3 hour flight.
<jmercouris>
I've never even met someone else who uses Emacs in my whole life. Sometimes I feel like a bottle with a cork bobbing up and down in an ocean of javascript developers
<Cymew>
Really?
<Cymew>
Impressive.
<jmercouris>
really, only one professor of mine who switched to Emacs...
<montaropdf>
jmercouris: I do relate, except the the one guy that introduce me to emacs so longtime ago
<beach>
jmercouris: You need to come to ELS more often.
<jmercouris>
I will, as soon as health permits :-)
<beach>
Ouch. I see.
<Cymew>
I'm more of an old school sysadmin so I find many emacs users among people I meet. Young devs are probably all visual basic and js users for all I know.
<jmercouris>
It's OK :-)
<Cymew>
Remember that smug weenie part...
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<jmercouris>
and yes, Cymew I've only met Atom, Sublime, VSCode, and the like users
<jmercouris>
goodbye for now
<Cymew>
Cheers.
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<Xach>
ECLM was more aligned with my interests. But any gathering of Common Lisp users is welcome regardless of the context.
<beach>
It's too bad ILC has not been organized for a while.
<beach>
There were plans for Japan, but it never happened.
<beach>
It doesn't matter *that* much. It is not as though ELS is reserved for Europeans. But it would have been the perfect excuse to go to Japan.
<Nilby>
I'm a little surprised that this works: (๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐จ (๐ค๐ฅ๐ฃ๐๐๐) (๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ช๐๐ฑ ๐ "Wโฑงโณโฎ โฎโฑงษ โฑงษโตโญ?? ~a~%" ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฃ๐๐๐))
<Bike>
the defun part is kind of surprising
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<Nilby>
Indeed. I'd have to say (|๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ| ...) to get a different defun.
<_death>
great, now I have to tr all my programs :)
<Nilby>
Except simple tr won't necessarily work..
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<Cymew>
I was just about to ask how you got the idea to even try that, but I guess I don't want to ask that.
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<p_l>
Cymew: most people, even among old school sysadmins, seem to at best be Vi users :/
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<Cymew>
Nilby: You are nuts! ...and that's a compliment! ;)
<Cymew>
p_l: There are those, yes. But, at least it's not some newfangled js thingiemading.
<p_l>
at work I see a lot of admins using VScode
<Nilby>
Thanks. I'm just glad that CL can already support unusual characters and syntax.
<p_l>
Nilby: Symbolics Genera, not sure about older MIT CADR, supported using formatted text for source, but I think it stripped the formatting so you didn't have to remember to *bold* the function name, for example ;)
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<Nilby>
p_l: Right. I have lispm code with all those ^F1 etc. With unicode you don't need that. It's even more "font-lock"ed.
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<p_l>
Nilby: except unicode has those chars having *different* semantics
<Nilby>
Except not. Because the above function works. And it considers (eq '๐ค๐ฅ๐ฃ๐๐๐ 'string) => t
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<Nilby>
But of course there are also places where it matters.
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<Nilby>
and ๏ผ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ ฯ๏ผ isn't (cos pi)
<Nilby>
but it could be with a little syntax table adjustments
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<Nilby>
er readtable that is
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<scymtym>
in SBCL it is SB-EXT:READTABLE-NORMALIZATION
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<Nilby>
Nice. I'm thankful for that. Apologies for possibly contaminating everyone's irc with mojibake.
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<jasom>
okay it's weird that (eq '๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ 'defun) but not (string-equal "DEFUN" (string-upcase "๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ"))
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<pjb>
and (string-equal "DEFUN" (string-upcase "๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ")) is equivalent to (string-equal "DEFUN" "๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ") and to (string-equal "defun" "๐ก๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ")
<karlosz>
ah, so the symbol reader normalizes strings
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<karlosz>
that's good
<karlosz>
now if only it was possible hook up a 1920's german typewriter to sbcl
<jasom>
in normalization K -> Kompatibility which normalizes font, positional, circled, width, rotations, squared and fractions
<jasom>
so e.g. ๏ธท โ {
<jasom>
and it's done after it decides if a token is a number so ยผ reads in as the symbol '1/4 not the number 1/4
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<jasom>
er |1/4| not 1/4
<fiund>
is anybody else having (new) trouble with qtools on mac? (qt-libs:ensure-standalone-libs) succeeds, but (ql:quickload 'qtools) fails, unable to load libcommonqt.dylib
<lottaquestions>
I modified the code in Chapter29, in playlist.lisp so that the param *silence-mp3* points to an actual mp3 file
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<lottaquestions>
but when loading the source code from asdf, somehow it attempts to run this code and fails to open the said mp3 file
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<jmercouris>
lottaquestions: you could probaby get more help if you posted your code
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<pjb>
lottaquestions: you could use termbin.com : #!/bin/bash \n nc termbin.com 9999 | tr -d '\000'
<pjb>
<pjb>
<pjb>
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<lottaquestions>
no problem, its actually the source from the book Practical Common Lisp. Here is my change to playlist.lisp: https://pastebin.com/9rPtGkBB
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<pjb>
lottaquestions: Undefined function id3-p ; I don't find it in the id3v2 system I have โฆ
<pjb>
and there's no com.gigamonkeys.id3v2 system in quicklisp. System "com.gigamonkeys.id3v2" not found.
<pjb>
So please, make it stand aloneโฆ
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<_death>
lottaquestions: it expects the stream to be a binary stream, and the code in PCL's id3-p does pass :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) so maybe you forgot it in your copy
<pjb>
lottaquestions: anyways, the problem is in com.gigamonkeys.id3v2:read-id3 which doesn't open the file as a binary file.
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