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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<Inline> morning
<Josh_2> Mornin'
<beach> Hello Inline. Hello Josh_2.
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<Inline> heya beach :)
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<momozor> Hi
<Josh_2> ello
<momozor> I'm not sure how to "cast" a string to a pathname. I have a function that works like this.
<momozor> (make-project #P string)
<Josh_2> you can pass a string in place of a pathname
<momozor> (make-project #P "/path/to/anywhere") works
<momozor> but I want to pass a variable with a string in it
<momozor> instead of the literal
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<pjb> momozor: (pathname "/tmp/foo") #| --> #P"/tmp/foo" |#
<pjb> momozor: but indeed, most functions don't take just a pathname, but instead a pathname designator. And strings are pathname designators.
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<momozor> it seems even (make-project (pathname *the-string*)) won't do
<momozor> i think the function i'm trying to use is doing something else
<momozor> this means I can only pass literal string?
<momozor> :(
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<phoe> momozor: what function is that?
<phoe> #'quickproject:make-project?
<phoe> oooooh
<phoe> fukamachiware
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<phoe> (make-project (pathname *string*)) should work then
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<momozor> pjb, phoe: ooops. my bad. (pathname path) actually works. The issue was my variable that I want to pass was not the appropriate type
<momozor> thanks for suggestions guys! :D
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<sabrac> grump. My unicode normalization tests pass in sbcl, ccl and ecl. About 5% failure rate on abcl and allegro.
<Shinmera> sabrac: does your normalisation implement a UAX standard?
<sabrac> nfkc, nfc, nfd, nfkc
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<Shinmera> So UAX-15?
<sabrac> Yes. 385000 test cases from unicode.org
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<Shinmera> Ok, cool, one less thing for me to implement :)
<Nilby> sabrac: Will you be publishing the code when you're done? That sounds useful.
<sabrac> Definitely
<Nilby> Nice. Thank you!
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<Shinmera> That leaves UAX11, UAX29, and UAX50 that I still need to do.
<sabrac> The world is too complicated
<Shinmera> indeed
<Shinmera> At least UAX9, 14, and 15 are done, which I think are more problematic than the other three.
<Nilby> There's code to do normalization in cmu, but I find that code rather difficult.
<Shinmera> Though actually UAX14 will probably require revisions to speed it up
<Shinmera> (not the standard mind you, the implementation of it)
<Nilby> Shinmera: You wrote all of those 9, 14, 15 did you?
<Shinmera> no, no, sabrac did 15 as he just said
<Shinmera> I did 9 and 14
<Nilby> oh right
<Shinmera> and I intended to do the remaining three I listed, but got busy (and also burnt out)
<Nilby> It's no wonder. Espcially that unicode stuff is a bit overwhelming and boring.
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<Shinmera> Well, making it fast is a nice challenge if you enjoy that kinda thing.
<Nilby> I don't really, but it's necessary. I do like being able to type characters.
<pfdietz> I enjoy someone else making it fast. :)
<Shinmera> pfdietz: me too
<Shinmera> UAX14 is a bit too daunting for me to figure out how to make it fast(er)
<Shinmera> UAX9 is at least plenty fast already.
<Nilby> Now I'm hopefull we'll have nice complete updated unicode support perhaps someday soon if we have all of these.
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<sabrac> Nilby: Shinmera: If you want to beat on it, the current state of my normalization code is at https://github.com/sabracrolleton/saslprep
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<Shinmera> sabrac: I'd like it very much if the UAX15 code could be factored out from the rest.
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<pfdietz32> In writing tests for that, don't assume that a Common Lisp string constant has type (vector character). Babel had some tests fail because of that.
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<phoe> pfdietz32: do you mean the pathological case of (vector nil)?
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<Bike> well, there's just character versus base-char.
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<Bike> in clasp we had the "" reader macro produce base strings when possible and stuff broke. i think that's how it went
<pjb> Only non-conforming stuff would broke on that, no?
<pfdietz32> phoe: no I meant base strings.
<pjb> #\" is specified to read simple-strings, which are: A simple string is a specialized one-dimensional simple array whose elements are of type character or a subtype of type character.
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<pjb> So a (array base-char (*)) is good.
<pjb> Note that people may be confused by: "When used as a type specifier for object creation, simple-string means (simple-array character (size))."
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<pjb> But this is not the case when reading a literal string.
<pfdietz32> Babel had some tests that copied string constants, then assigned weird non-base characters into the copies. This breaks when the lisp reads those as base-strings.
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<pfdietz32> Unlike (vector nil), this is actually a useful thing for the lisp to do.
<pjb> abcl, ccl, and clisp give wrong results for (type-of (map (quote string) (quote identity) (coerce "base-string" (quote (array base-char (*)))))) -> (SIMPLE-BASE-STRING 11) ecl and sbcl return (SIMPLE-ARRAY CHARACTER (11)).
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<pfdietz32> I don't suppose base-char and character are the same in any of those.
<pjb> in abcl, ccl, and clisp, they are the same. In ecl and sbcl they are not.
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<pjb> Ok, so perhaps the result of type-of is conforming, but it would be preferable to return a string type, rather than a base-string type in that case…
<pjb> (IMO).
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<pjb> Well, it's like (type-of 42) -> (fixnum 42 42)…
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<sabrac> Breaking out normalization from Stringprep makes sense. Interesting on the base-string stuff.
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<jackdaniel> pfdietz32: in ecl if you build without unicode support they are the same
<jackdaniel> otherwise they are not
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<Shinmera> sabrac: If you want it to be in line with the rest I did, just call it UAX-15 :)
<sabrac> ok
<Shinmera> or, rather, uax-15, since repo names are case-sensitive
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<Nilby> Too bad what I've been doing is explicitly not in UAX-11.
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<slyrus> anyone have an example of how to use paredit's paredit-override-check-parens-function ?
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