<Tintu1322>
Hello... I am trying to integrate a resisitive touch screen to A20 hummingbird... What are the steps i should follow ? can you help me...?
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<Tintu1322>
Hello... I want to integrate a resistive touch screen to A20 device... what are the configuration steps i have to follow in linux and android layers... ?
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* rmax
waves and is ready to tackle the A23...
<rmax>
libv: did you find the time to look into the script.bin I sent you?
<libv>
not yet, sorry, perhaps tonight
<rmax>
So, is there anything that I can do for now?
<libv>
poke at fexc yourself ;)
<rmax>
OK, I'll have a look. AFAIU I need to edit that stuff in order to enable the serial console I soldered in, right?
<MY123>
rmax: mainline kernel?
<MY123>
(or Android?)
<libv>
rmax: yeah, you apparently do need to edit it, wens knows more
<rmax>
MY123: It currently runs Android, but I want to get to run regular Linux on it and can spend the whole week to work on that.
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<MY123>
rma
<MY123>
rmax: Linux 3.17 has a23 support
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<rmax>
Hmm - but the linux-sunxi wiki says there are still some pieces missing in the RAM initialisation code or something, and libv recently confirmed that this information is still current, if I got him right.
<MY123>
rmax: The code runs at least on a A23 tablet
<rmax>
Sounds good, so let's see if I can get it to run on my q8h as well. :)
<MY123>
rmax: Does U-boot output messages from UART?
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<rmax>
No, the UART is dead by default. The q8h wiki page says it needs to get enabled first.
<MY123>
rmax: If booting from NAND, for replacing script.bin, you should patch a LiveSuit image and flash it(at least on my A20 tablet)
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<wens>
3.18-rc1
<wens>
watchdog patches didn't make it
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<rmax>
So, the boot0 issues mentioned in http://linux-sunxi.org/A23 have been solved, or is that separate from A23 support in mainline Linux?
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<philippe_fouquet>
hi
<philippe_fouquet>
I try to use the fel mode for somme tests.
<philippe_fouquet>
All uboot work well but went I run the kernel nothing.
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<philippe_fouquet>
the kernel work fine when I use it on sd or nand
<philippe_fouquet>
some body know how i can have more debug that "Starting kernel ..."
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<mripard>
rmax: there's no relation between boot0 and linux
<rmax>
Looks like I don't yet have the full picture of how these things work all together, but I am reading up...
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<mripard>
boot0 initialises the RAM, load the second stage bootloader (either boot1 pre-A23, or u-boot for A23), and starts it
<mripard>
it's that 2nd-stage that will load and start the kernel
<mripard>
but it really doesn't care wether it's an allwinner kernel or a mainline one
<mripard>
it's just a blob.
<rmax>
OK, but that means without a working boot0 I can't boot Linux, even if it would support A23, right?
<mripard>
yep
<mripard>
but unless you start a new design, or you blew the NAND, you should have one
<rmax>
OK, then I completely misunderstood libv and the wiki pages.
<rmax>
I thought a working boot0 was one of the missing pieces to complete A23 support.
<MY123>
rmax: boot0 is needed for AnDrOiD
<wens>
rmax: well, proper boot0 support is wanted
<mripard>
MY123: why?
<MY123>
mripard: It loads U-boot
<philippe_fouquet>
if i wen start a kernel in fel mode how to do it?
<MY123>
philippe_fouquet: Trying to make boot0 as SPL
<mripard>
MY123: well... yeah, but how is that related to android?
<MY123>
mripard: Android's kernel can't work withour U-boot, which needs boot0 currently (A23)
<rmax>
mripard: I think he wanted to tell me that Android needs boot0, so if Android runs on the devide, it must have a working boot0 binary.
<mripard>
MY123: you're still stating a fact, not explaining what u-boot does that is needed by android.
<MY123>
mripard: Loading the Linux kernel :
<rmax>
mripard: not u-boot, boot0.
<MY123>
:-)
<mripard>
rmax: then Allwinner's uboot would be working fine too.
<mripard>
MY123: then a u-boot SPL would do just fine
<mripard>
there's nothing specific about boot0, really
<MY123>
mripard: There is not an u-boot SPL for A23 which works yet
<mripard>
(and even less so Android)
<philippe_fouquet>
for me uboot-spl and after uboot work fine
<philippe_fouquet>
for a A20
<philippe_fouquet>
but my kernel didn't load
<MY123>
philippe_fouquet: sunxi-3.4 or mainline?
<philippe_fouquet>
the image it correct but it stop after "Starting kernel ..."
<philippe_fouquet>
mainline
<MY123>
philippe_fouquet: So early_printk works. Did you load a DTB?
<philippe_fouquet>
no sorry sunxi-3.4
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<MY123>
philippe_fouquet: I got the same thing when trying to load an A10 kernel on a A20
<philippe_fouquet>
the kernel work wend I used it with Poenixsuit
<philippe_fouquet>
well
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<oliv3r>
mripard: i don't even dare to ask, but when compiling your sunxi-next, is there anythign special required to get more output (serial console) other then adding the DEBUG_LL + setting up the right uart stuff?
<oliv3r>
mripard: [ 0.015075] CPU1: Booted secondary processor is the last thing i get :(
<oliv3r>
mripard: i had a 3.17.0-rc6 (from mainline) that worked fine, I thought i give your 3.17 (only rc3?) series ago, but get no serial console anymore :(
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<mripard>
oliv3r: and yet you dared :)
<mripard>
paste all the boot logs
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<hramrach_>
vovcia: power on button should works unless something is broken
<vovcia>
hramrach_: ok thx :) good it know it should work
<rmax>
Oh - and a colleague just stepped by and dropped an A31 tablet on my desk...
<vovcia>
hramrach_: do U know if there is RTC wake support?
<rmax>
So, I'll do the NDH handling with that one as well...
<hramrach_>
vovcia: there are multiple devices you can set up to wake from sleep but I have no idea what is enabled in the current code
<hramrach_>
also are you running 3.4 or mainline?
<oliv3r>
mripard: btw, do I still need to ack anything for the relicensing?
<mripard>
oliv3r: yes, please
<oliv3r>
mripard: ok, i thoguht i did ...
<mripard>
and hmmm, I don't know why it hangs there
<oliv3r>
mripard: i'll ack the whole series again, just in case :)
<oliv3r>
this is on an a20-lime
<oliv3r>
i take it we don't need the vqmmc?
<rmax>
The A31's model number reads ALFAR8040, a string that produces zero hits on Google.
<philippe_fouquet>
a kernel could be start with out ramdisk
<mripard>
oliv3r: I haven't seen the lime, but yeah, usually you don't
<oliv3r>
i'm building 3.17-rc6 from mainline and see if that does work
<rmax>
It is a FSL S8
<hramrach_>
A31 should be easier to get working than a23
<rmax>
Why? Better documentation or has more work been done already?
<hramrach_>
both
<oliv3r>
mripard: i've sent the license change mail ;)
<vovcia>
hramrach_: im running Linux cubex 3.4.90-5-ARCH #4 SMP PREEMPT Sun Sep 21 21:09:35 MDT 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
<hramrach_>
hmm, that's not exactly the latest, is it?
<hramrach_>
I haven't tried suspend in ages so no idea if it works
<oliv3r>
mripard: stock 3.16-rc6 with stock sunxi_defconfig boots fine
<oliv3r>
(well systemd complains, but that's userland :) )
<oliv3r>
mripard: as expected, mmc gives one more line of output on 3.17-rc6 http://sprunge.us/ZANH
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<oliv3r>
mripard: actually; i shouldn't even use rc6, i just realized i should fetch linus's latest tree and do a proper 3.17 :)
<rmax>
Which name shall I use when adding a new board to the linux-sunxi wiki, the marketing name or the model number from Android's "about tablet" dialog?
<oliv3r>
rmax: libv is best to answer that question :)
<rmax>
Found it in the HOWTOs.
<oliv3r>
even better ;)
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<oliv3r>
mripard: linus's 3.17 works fine, I also diffed the mmc driver to compare to your tree and it didn't say there where differences ...
<oliv3r>
go figure
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<oliv3r>
wens: on mainline do we allerady use stmmac on A20 even when using the old RTL100mbit PHY? (if it is, awesome) it does seem that way from what I can see
<hramrach_>
depends on your config. either should work
<oliv3r>
well i had both as modules and appearantly the default in the dts is gmac, so that's awesome
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<oliv3r>
since the sunxi-emac was giving us some performance issues
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<mripard>
the EMAC driver was quite solid in mainline
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<mripard>
running at around ~12MB/s
<mripard>
the only thing is that it was not using DMA
<mripard>
and what happens if you use multi-v7 ?
<oliv3r>
mripard: we had sunxi-emac in mainline? interesting. I recall that on 3.4 it was having some full duplexing issues
<oliv3r>
mripard: multi-v7 from your branch?
<oliv3r>
mripard: i'll test that as soon as my order of SD cards are in
<oliv3r>
my sd card is now functionally under a printer again :)
<mripard>
oliv3r: yep, we had it since the very beginning
<mripard>
3.9 or so
<hramrach_>
is that adaptation of the AW driver or something different?
<wens>
oliv3r: yes
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<mripard>
hramrach_: some rework of the AW driver iirc
<mripard>
it's been mostly done by Stefan
<wens>
sent out v2 of sun9i clk series
<hramrach_>
there was some problem with the AW driver that it would work for some transfers and not others depending on latecy/roundtrip
<hramrach_>
but seemed to work well enough for my use cases
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<hramrach_>
rmax: the link you have on http://linux-sunxi.org/FSL_S8 points to an A8 web page. The S8 spec says it has a31 CPU but your wiki page says a23
<slapin>
hi, all! IIRC, on wiki there was a link on how to compile mainlinek kernel for sunxi, I want to make OE support for it, but I failed to find it, any ideas? wiki became a bit hard to navigate these days :(
<rmax>
Is dev@linux-sunxi.org just an alias for linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com or is it a separate list?
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<rmax>
hramrach_: Thanks for provereading the S8 page. I corrected the SoC (my bad), but the A8 headline on the product page must be a mistake, because the URL says S8 and the photos and specs match the device in fron of me. Also, the actual S8 page says it is based the SoC is an ATM7029.
<rmax>
Well, the web design combined with my incompetency in the language used there - although I had help from a colleague who is native to that language. ;)
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<rmax>
Is dev@linux-sunxi.org forwarding to linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com or are they separate lists?
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<dack>
libv: has there been any progress on libnand? I notice that in the sun7i_defconfig it's still set to install libnand by default.
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<arete74>
rmax: yes, forwarding email to google groups
<rmax>
I sent a patch to the former and later on subscribed to the latter, but I only see other patches in the archive not mine.
<rmax>
Is it only accepting mails from subscribers?
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<hramrach_>
the only information about the a23 dram controller in the manual is that it's 16bit which means useless performance :S
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<rmax>
hramrach_: I am still confused about whether this dram initialisation stuff is needed or not to bring up Linux on these devices. Is it correct that it is not needed if the goal is just to bring up Linux, but needed if the goal is to replace just about any piece of software on the device with open source — including boot0?
<hramrach_>
it is not needed if you want to just butcher the existing rom. and if you have a backup from which you can restore. but if you want to install to empty nand, boot from an SD card, etc you nned a working boot0 that is somewhere other than the inacessible area of the tablet nand
<hramrach_>
and since you need a different boot0 for sd card than nand you need some understanding of the memory controller or the existing code to get that
<rmax>
Ah - now things become clearer.
<rmax>
And Allwinner only provides a boot0 blob for booting from nand?
<hramrach_>
it only provides blobs for booting their evb
<hramrach_>
tablet vendors provide firmware blob if you are lucky from which you can presumably extract nand boot0 blob
<rmax>
And that can't be extracted from the nand itself, you're saying?
<hramrach_>
not easily.
<hramrach_>
the area where it's stores is normally inacessible. mainline kernel has driver to access this area .. on a10/a13/a20
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<hramrach_>
actually I am confused
<rmax>
And the procedure to access it depends on the SoC rather than the NAND chip?
<hramrach_>
well the nand chips stores blocks and the kernel driver composes those blocks into something that makes sense
<hramrach_>
in case of AW that something looks like a block device
<hramrach_>
and indeed, the boot0 is outside of that block device so you cannot make sense of the blocks that make up the loader unless you use a different driver
<hramrach_>
I am not aware of any software other than the on-chip bootloader and the mainline kernel driver that implement *reading* boot0
<hramrach_>
the AW proprietary flash tools presumably implement *writing* boot0
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<hramrach_>
on SD card the situation is much simpler because everything is just a block device there
<rmax>
And the Android kernel has no way to access the raw blocks on the nand flash?
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<rmax>
I guess A=Android, but what does the W stand for?
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<hramrach_>
AW=Allwinner
<rmax>
whoops :)
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<rmax>
Ah - it looks like my patch finally made it to the list. Is it moderated or does it take so long for technical reasons?
<hramrach_>
no idea
<hramrach_>
sometimes the mail is held and forwarded by moderator. sometimes it is slow
<hramrach_>
well, I never really looked closely at the flash drivers. You have flash with bit errors and ecc codes and bad blocks and with some effort and the existing code you can get at the entirety of this stuff
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<hramrach_>
one problem is the ecc and stuff is done in the nand controller normally and the area with boot0 on the SoCs where the layout is somewhat known is known to use different settings
<rmax>
BTW, I probably won't get a firmware image from the supplier of my A23 tablet, because I upset him by playing the refund card with AliExpress when he didn't adhere to his 10 day delivery guarantee.
<hramrach_>
I just downloaded what is presumably recovery image for my tablet
<rmax>
And I even doubt he would be able to supply firmware files if I hadn't done this.
<hramrach_>
so I can leave the nand bitrot and when it becomes unusable reflash with that image in the hope it boots again
<hramrach_>
they presumably have the firmware they flash at the factory at the very least
<rmax>
Sure, but I don't think these devices are manufactured by as many people as offered on AliExpress.
<rmax>
Is there a standard place for such recovery images on Android? I am still not very familiar with their file system layout.
<hramrach_>
yes, aliexpress is probably more like ebay. not so much for manufacturers but individual users and resellers
<rmax>
Some sellers at least claim to be manufacturers, but most of them seem to be just smaller or larger reseller.
<hramrach_>
you just ask around until you get at a firmware. I bought mine from a different reseller which is more expensive than aliexpress but apparently attempts some support
<rmax>
I sometimes wonder how many of the smaller resellers are actually employees of a manufacturer that makes these devices.
<hramrach_>
I do not try to understand Chinese economy
<hramrach_>
it makes no point trying from this far
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<hno>
aliexpress is consumer sales platform like e-bay. It's quite rare to find manufacturers there. Absolutely majority of the shops are small resellers.
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<hno>
You may have better luck to find manufacturers on the sister site alibaba, but most are bulk resellers targting businesses, and scams are apparently not uncommon.
<rmax>
The pro side of AliExpress is that it has builtin escrow service. Whenever items I ordered weren't shipped at all or arrived later than stated in the seller's delivery guarantee I got my money back.
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* hramrach_
shall take some English classes
<hramrach_>
looking at my writing ... it's almost as bad as Chenglish
<dack>
hey.. this may be a little OT but hopefully someone knows the answer to this...
<dack>
when I disconnect the cable for eth0, ifconfig still shows the connection as active with an IP address. How do I detect when the connection is removed and deactive the connection?
<hramrach_>
it logs in dmesg
<dack>
"ip monitor" seems to detect the change, but it doesn't go any farther than that
<vovcia>
dack: ifplugd
<vovcia>
dack: on systemd there is netctl-ifplugs@ethXXX service
<hramrach_>
there are also some mii-tools or what
<dack>
from what I've been reading it seems like it should normally detect a downed eth0 connection... I'm not sure why it's not doing that
<hramrach_>
and some tools may work better for some use cases than other so better stfw so you get more choices and get the bets one
<vovcia>
dack: what distro...?
<hramrach_>
no. link down and interface down is separate
<bonbons>
dack: linux keeps interface configured, even if link goes down
<dack>
I'm trying to use connman to automatically switch from the broken eth0 to wlan0, but it doesn't seem to see the broken connection as the IP address remains on eth0
<bonbons>
it's up to your userspace to unconfigure things if it wants to
<vovcia>
dack: ip remaining on eth0 is not such bad thing.. is interface down?
<dack>
The ip address remains when the wire is disconnected from the device.
<dack>
The issue is I need the wlan0 to come up when the wire is disconnected. The wlan is supposed to be a fallback.
<dack>
What do you guys normally use to manage network connections on AW devices in linux?
<vovcia>
dack: systemd, NetworkManager, custom ifplugd scripts, eventually TCP Multipathing
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<dack>
I thought I had this working already before, but it's not any more... it may be something in the latest Linaro is breaking it.
<vovcia>
dack: isnt connman kind of a "dead"?
<dack>
vovcia: is it? it's actively being developed for tizen... I guess the question is "is tizen dead?". :)
<dack>
I need something I can use at the command line, and I've yet to find a way to do that with NetworkManager
<bonbons>
dack: connman does detect link going down here (though not tested on sunxi device) - so unless your device does not properly send the notifications your connman configuration needs revisiting?
<bonbons>
if I remember well you can tell connman to be pretty verbose on what it does, so it should be able to tell you if it gets informed
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<dack>
bonbons: yeah, I'm pretty sure I had it working before, so I'm not sure what's changed... my config has remained the same and I think the connman version has remained the same. Something in linaro, I suspect.
<dack>
bonbons: I have connmanctl with "monitor on"... it keeps telling me the "ethernet" connection is "unchanged"
<vovcia>
U guys dont think systemd will "have it all" eventually?
<vovcia>
i mean, its in master tree?
<bonbons>
dack: check your logs and make sure debug logging is enabled
<vovcia>
thats OT of course :)
<hramrach_>
so there is something like NM but sane?
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<dack>
what linux flavour do you guys typically use on AW devices? I've been typically using Linaro
<vovcia>
dack: Arch Linux
<bonbons>
dack: Gentoo Linux
<dack>
vovcia: that's what I thought when you mentioned "systemd"
<hramrach_>
Debian Linux
* hramrach_
is running sysvinit systemd and upstart
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<hramrach_>
multiple boards allow for trying out different stuff
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<hramrach_>
sysvinit is slowest .. and most reliable
* vovcia
systemd + NetworkManager(for USB connections)
<dack>
vovcia: but how do you use NetworkManager at the command line? or are you using a desktop?
<hramrach_>
there is nm-cli
<hramrach_>
but I only use NM with gui
<vovcia>
dack: nmtui
<dack>
part of my reason for using connman was that it used dbus and I could easily interact with it inside of my running code
<dack>
maybe NetworkManager can to?
<hramrach_>
nm probably does the same
<vovcia>
dack: i wat trying nm and connman for auto usb connectivity, and finally stick to nm
<vovcia>
in fact im using nm to manage links not managed by systemd :)
<hramrach_>
I have auto USB connectivity with just default debian script
<hramrach_>
but maybe my USB connectivity is simplistic
<vovcia>
my is too, simple dhcp
<hramrach_>
I just plug the device in USB and it's connected
<hramrach_>
then you need no manager. just udev - dhclient
<dack>
I just finished switching from wicd! :) I've had nothing but headaches with NetworkManager on my desktop so I was hoping to avoid it
<hramrach_>
I configured NM on an ancient notebook to see if it can manage Ethernet+WiFi
<hramrach_>
and it seems it could
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<hramrach_>
but the recent UI is so horrible you cannot expect the user to connect to a WiFi network with it
<dack>
anyone know what the package name is in ubuntu/linaro for nm-cli?
<hramrach_>
probably networkmanager-cli
<hramrach_>
I mean they had that Apple UI clone which works. and then they removed the part that shows the available WiFi networks in the menu so there is no list anymore anywhere obvious
<hramrach_>
did not figure out how to connect to WiFi network other than configuring it beforehand
<dack>
oh.. seems nmcli is included in the base package
<vovcia>
maybe ipv6 is the ultimate solution?
<dack>
wicd had a nice ncurses ui but I had some issues with properly configuring it... it also seems to be a somewhat dead project
<dack>
connman is pretty nice to use, but if it can't detect the dropped eth0 connection... well, no good.
<dack>
I think the issue is somewhere else, though... cat /etc/class/net/eth0/carrier says 1 when the cable is disconnected, which is wrong
<vovcia>
dack: tru nmtui
<vovcia>
dack: *try nmtui
<dack>
oops.. /sys/class....
<dack>
I'm not sure how "ip monitor" is working, but the kernel files in sysfs aren't
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<vovcia>
hmm i have some serial output from rtcwake: normal standby start! \n __bss_start:F0003628!
<hramrach_>
but the textured cube is always gray no matter what :/
<hramrach_>
vovcia: that's expected. if you don't also have a wake output that means either it fails do go to sleep properly or failed to set up the wake interrupts