mnemoc changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - did you try looking at our wiki? https://linux-sunxi.org - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ - Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi
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<wens> oh dear, i see usb gadget
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<libv> wens: ?
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<libv> crap, and here i was hoping we would finally reach 40% NDHed
<ssvb> libv: what happened?
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<libv> new device got stuck into our wiki :)
<libv> we're at 104, of which 40 are fully done
<libv> will be 41 once i finally get my japanese crimptool
<libv> so i was just mumbling, but that wasn't too serious :)
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<paulk-aldrin> hey
<paulk-aldrin> got a new A20 tablet in the mail today!
<libv> :)
<libv> bad for my stats :p
<libv> or good, as you're pretty well versed in ndhing :)
<paulk-aldrin> it has 2 sdcard slots (one internal on the PCB) and one external!
<paulk-aldrin> yeah I'll NDH it
<libv> heh, you really go out of your way to find weird hw
<paulk-aldrin> I'm still stuck at the NAND thing btw
<libv> yeah, i know
<paulk-aldrin> and it has an unusual realtek wifi chip, that has bluetooth too
<libv> cool
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<rds> A80 - looks like the sales of Dev boards have been outstanding!
<rds> at the price of $350, it was a non brainer!
<wens> huh?
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<rds> A few months back, I posted here that for these boards to get to the success of CB1/CB2, they had to be selling for max of $39
<rds> it seems the market is always right!
<wens> well.... i did buy one
<wens> :p
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<rds> wens: you should have given one for free, for your outstandning contribution to the platform, if not more!
<wens> they should've asked earlier
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<rds> they never ask anything, since they simply ignore this communnity
<rds> look how the enthusiasm of the community is down
<rds> the CedarX RE front is simply dead!
<rds> the KMS driver is totally stopped, until LIBV complete the 1025 new devices that don't work right or will be out of the market in the next 120 days
<rds> Kernel 3.4 is totally dead!
<rds> mainline was getting some track, but has slowdown a lot lately
<wens> i wouldn't go that far
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<wens> slowdown is mostly because everyone is busy
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<rds> ok, busy is good. Time for me to check again in 60 days.
<wens> mripard and bbrezill1 work on at91 at $work
<wens> ccaione is working on meson lately
<wens> libv... well he's all over the place :p
<rds> well, Allwinner should be the one paying big bucks for these good developers to be improving the platform!
<Nazcafan> there was this SOC intern who produced an impressive work for DMA, is this going to be mainlined or are some parts missing?
<libv> rds: that's never going to happen
<libv> allwinner is just another cheap chinese/taiwanese shop
<libv> the last thing they will do is hire good people to do good work
<wens> libv: ah, only chinese :p
<libv> i have dealt with the taiwanese a decade ago
<rds> they are very short sighted
<libv> so are we, buying their products.
<rds> it is not every where you can get developers of the caliber of the main folks of this community!
<wens> to be fair, mediatek hires a lot of talent, and pays well too
<wens> libv: i'm hoping htc doesn't go down the path of via...
<libv> htc is via
<libv> or better, the other way around these days
<libv> chen family
<wens> well that's one way to put it :p
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<libv> i think it's different parts of the chen family running different businesses
<libv> but still
<wens> it's the wang family actually
<rds> with the exception of all "crap tablets", can anyone enumerate a good product using All winner SOCs ?
<libv> rds: olimex boards
<rds> libv: I mean "mass products"
<MY123> rds: Allwinner will never pay bucks for FOSS. Intel, Broadcom and AMD are doing that.
<rds> not develop boards.
<MY123> rds: The best is the Kurio 10S tablet, A31.
<libv> MY123: do you want me to spew my bile on those three companies?
<rds> MY123: I worked for AMD for many years, and I know they had big contracts with Suse
<rds> and intel had big teams in China for their virtualization platforms
<libv> SuSE saved AMDs ass on amd64
<libv> microsoft told them to fuck off
<libv> redhat couldn't be bothered
<libv> suse was in need of cash and had loads of good people around to help do the work
<MY123> libv: Opening Allwinner SoCs would need a campaign to discourage people buying Allwinner HW.
<wens> MY123: people buy them because they are cheap
<wens> the low-end ones anyway
<MY123> wens: Mediatek is cheaper...
<rds> I don;t think any of the producers of DEV boards like Cubieteck will survive long term
<wens> MY123: you don't see Mediatek tablets with cheap displays selling at $40 do you?
<wens> i know they're cheap, but they aren't that cheap
<MY123> wens: 80$ here. (Smartphone)
<wens> but at $100+, yeah i'd go with mediatek or intel
<wens> MY123: which brand?
<MY123> wens: Evertek
<rds> you need to have a business model in place. You can say whatever about the R-pi, but the platform is very sucessful
<wens> MY123: that's nice :)
<rds> you search around, and you see many businesses around r-pi platform
<wens> and they did release the android one in india
<rds> but, Allwinner with a better SOC, has been unable to kickstart such awareness
<MY123> wens: Also in Tunisia.
<MY123> ( seen it in a store at holidays)
<wens> but mediatek isn't that open source friendly either :(
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<MY123> wens: Also Intel. (They are now using PowerVR Rogue)
<wens> intel is selling chips at a loss to get market share (practically giving them away i heard)
<wens> devices with either chips from the same vendor seem to have the same price
<ssvb> wens: about mediatek, they seem to be getting better - http://www.xda-developers.com/android/mediatek-android-one-source/
<ssvb> wens: being open source friendly is becoming fashionable nowadays :)
<wens> ssvb: i heard upper management is still resisting the idea :p
<MY123> rds: Allwinner does have a worst SoC (A10 and A20 graphics-wise) and A31 in drivers)
<wens> my guess is that the requirement is driven by their partners, such as Google
<MY123> I'm waiting the A90 without a graphics IP...
<ssvb> MY123: worst SoC for what purpose? for android?
<wens> MY123: A10/A20 graphics-wise?
<rds> "worst" is relative!
<MY123> ssvb: For running Fifa 14...
<rds> R-pi has a very poor SOC, but the platform is very sucessful
<MY123> rds: Very poor? Just some docs missing.
<rds> it is not about the SOC features alone, but how you organize a community around your plarform
<MY123> rds: Did you ever saw Eric Anholt's work?
<rds> my123: I meant poor when compared with AW and other more capable SOC's.
<MY123> h
<rds> No, please provide a link!
<ssvb> MY123: Fifa 14? I guess, we have very different requirements and use cases :)
<MY123> rds: For GPGPU, the Pi is the only cheap choice.
* wens is expecting libv to say sth about eric
<ssvb> MY123: rpi has a very slow cpu, and has compatibility issues by being not armv7
<MY123> ssvb: I just did run it for benchmarking. Even the first Galaxy Tab did better,...
<rds> FIFA-14 has been a painful experience for me! -please don't talk about that
<MY123> ssvb: Slow CPU, I agree. (But there is strong GPGPU potential)
<libv> wens: :)
<libv> he fucked up modesetting for all of us
<rds> rpi is just a single dev board and no tablets, but the community is very big and orgniazed
<MY123> (An SHA-256 implementation is available)
<ssvb> MY123: GPGPU is a gimmick, which never took off the ground yet (except for some niche uses)
<wens> like mining for bitcoins? :)
<libv> rds: and noisy, and religious, ready to seriously slander those who try to correct the sometimes broken rpi marketing
<ssvb> MY123: it was somewhat relevant for bitcoin, but not anymore
<libv> ssvb: it's always been a niche afaict
<libv> ssvb: but a very high margin one
<libv> which is why it has been so important
<libv> renderscript was an attempt to make that better
<libv> but it does not seem to have taken off that much
<MY123> wens: And verifing hashes faster
<ssvb> libv: iirc, I have seen some news about OpenCL for libreoffice, people are trying to find some use for it
<wens> verifying hashes? who does that all day?
<libv> ssvb: heh, did you laugh when you read about it?
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<libv> who wrote that presentation?
<libv> and was he trying to stay relevant in the mainframe shop that is suse?
<libv> before he ran off to collabora?
<MY123> Collabora...
<ssvb> also I think AMD (?) developers tried to contribute OpenCL optimizations to libjpeg-turbo, but it did not end up well (it was buggy and slower than the CPU)
<MY123> ssvb: and ffmpeg
<ssvb> libv: Collabora is making a lot of noise nowadays, I guess that's important for their business
<MY123> Collabora is just a company which tries to make money
<MY123> /join #wayland
<libv> ssvb: i am still not entirely sure about what happend with the suse openoffice team and them running to collabora
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<libv> iirc, it was about supporting more than just the really big customers
<libv> suse is really good at not taking money
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<paulk-aldrin> regarding that NAND issue that I have, it can now read the partitions table correctly and has a few successful reads, but it fails when reading the last 8 bytes/sectors/blocks (?)…
<paulk-aldrin> especially: <3>nand_transfer: R 14942200 8 0xdee82000
<libv> paulk-aldrin: this nand code is such a pain
<paulk-aldrin> and <3>SYSCALL do_sync_read(): aio_read returned with -4
<paulk-aldrin> libv, I don't like it either…
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<paulk-aldrin> libv, merging the new code I found isn't an easy task either, given all the commits that were added on top of the original sun5i import
<libv> paulk-aldrin: :(
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<ssvb> arokux2: hans has just posted some usb fixes for u-boot, which should fix usb keyboards support :)
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<paulk-aldrin> huh, looks like I made one step forward
<paulk-aldrin> u32 -> u64 at places
<paulk-aldrin> now it mounts but provides unreliable data
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<libv> paulk-aldrin: auwa
<paulk-aldrin> :)
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<ssvb> 9.7 inch 2048*1536 retina capacitive, 2GB of RAM, HDMI connector, and all the nice stuff
<wens> intel soc
<MY123> ssvb: How expensive?
<MY123> *Mhch
<MY123> *Much
<ssvb> the blog post says "available at $150 plus postage from Aliexpress"
<jelly-home> ooh.
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<ssvb> maybe this is a part of the alleged Intel's promotional bait and switch campaign, we should resist :)
<libv> yes, don't go to the dark side
<libv> stay on the clueless side
<MY123> Bay Trail, Intel regone with PowerVR afterwards(they were finishing Rogue bits&pieces)
<ssvb> the feature support matrix shows that the GPU is one of the less problematic things - https://wiki.gnome.org/BastienNocera/Ondav975w :)
<ssvb> together with "SD card reader"
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<libv> urgh.
<libv> why do people feel to need to mail me to tell me what changes should be made to the _WIKI_
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<libv> i am sure that he will not go and fix the wiki.
<Nazcafan> libv, try to answer something along the lines of "hey, this sounds like a good idea, feel free to proceed"
<Nazcafan> sometimes, people just want to discuss the changes beforehand?
<paulk-aldrin> libv, looks like read is correct now!
<libv> paulk-aldrin: wow!
<paulk-aldrin> write may be correct as well
<paulk-aldrin> let's see
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<paulk-aldrin> mostly
<paulk-aldrin> got this: PHY_SynchBank : last W/E operation fail,chip = 0, bank = 0, cmd value = 70, status = e1
<paulk-aldrin> at sync after the last write
<paulk-aldrin> the last write failed
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<paulk-aldrin> meh, must have been bad luck
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<paulk-aldrin> it was
<paulk-aldrin> everything works now!
<paulk-aldrin> so I can start doing actual work
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