<mripard_>
so, A20 is part of sun7i.... film at 11
<libv>
no, there's just some confusion around both a20 and a31, which is absolutely to be expected
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<rellla>
libv: i must confess, that i read the NDH and NDPH my first time yesterday :p it took some time, but if you read to the end, steps to do should be explained well enough. but people that feel to be part of the community will think different from a onetimesunxier... i agree with some statements on the ml, that it maybe could be helpful to think about making the whole NewDeviceHowtos a bit WAFier - ending up with
<rellla>
the same result. but for now i've no idea how to improve it in special... i just feel, that something is missing...
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<rellla>
i will try it with banana pi...
<libv>
WAFier?
<libv>
rellla: people will always have a feeling that this is not for them specifically
<libv>
this is something that cannot be solved
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<rellla>
libv: in the optimal case, the user has to get a feeling that he MUST do that howto because he WANTS to do it ... that's kind of psycologic...
<libv>
rellla: that is also impossible to achieve, as everyone has different triggers and goals
<libv>
plus, people who got tricked into doing this, they will give up after the second step, when trying to fill up the wiki
<ssvb>
the pictures look similar, and the specs too (the batter capacity, etc.)
<ssvb>
but even on Amazon they label it as "(1.5GHz) with Quad core Mali-400 MP GPU", so we can't be completely sure
<libv>
you're never completely sure until you hold it in your hands
<codekipper>
libv: wens : I've managed with a load of hacking to build an Android image using the A31 SDK
<codekipper>
won't have a chance to flash it for a few days but I can put something together for the wiki.
<codekipper>
the pack tools should be able to be configured for putting together an sdcard image.
<libv>
codekipper: that's good progress :)
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<wens>
codekipper: nice :)
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<ssvb>
libv: why can't some reputable vendor produce a non-crappy affordable a20 tablet? An easily identifiable brand, correctly advertised specs, long term product availability on market is what we probably would have wanted
<wens>
ssvb: actually, there is
<ssvb>
wens: which one?
<libv>
ainol, mele
<libv>
they usually are properly branded
<libv>
others, that's a case by case basis
<libv>
but this inet k100c is a very common rebrand
<libv>
10.1", A20, and you likely get this exact device
<wens>
taiwanese websites list it at 100 USD atm, some are out of stock though
<wens>
there's a short review video on youtube
<libv>
ssvb: you should be fine though
<libv>
you will probably get exactly this tablet
<libv>
it's very common
<wens>
don't know what shopping website you prefer, but this one should be easy to find
<libv>
so 10" a20 tablet, chances are that it is just this device
<ssvb>
libv: yes, but I just remember a guy, who asked the other day about what would be the best tablet for the *end user* (the least problematic and just works without too much extra efforts)
<libv>
oh, any :)
<libv>
he should just look for the features/price he wants
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
so you interested tablets. tablets + linux. my opinion is not user frendly than android.
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<libv>
JohnDoe_71Rus: of course it isn't
<libv>
but that is just up to the layer on top
<libv>
if this plasma stuff ever gets off the ground properly
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
you bought tablet to run linux on it or use like tablet
<libv>
me?
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
ssvb
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
some else
<libv>
i think ssvb just wanted to flag this tablet to me for recommendation next time
<ssvb>
JohnDoe_71Rus: I just wanted to get some "reference" sunxi tablet hardware for experimenting with android, tizen, mer, firefox os, plasma, etc. :)
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<libv>
ssvb: get any, preferably one that isn't documented yet :)
<libv>
but if you just bought this, then that's of course ok too :)
<ssvb>
libv: the linux-sunxi wiki does not seem to be a good "buying guide" at the moment :) not that it needs to
<ssvb>
libv: yeah, I have already bought this 10" tablet
<dack>
libv: it's a completely different device, but it's labeled TXCZ_A20_V3.0
<dack>
libv: I guess we can always make the appropriate changes if someone adds that device, though
<ssvb>
wens: regarding A31 and the boot order where MMC does not necessarily have the highest priority anymore, are all A31 devices supposed to be at least unbrickable via FEL?
<libv>
dack: add that to the wiki
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<dack>
libv: k
<dack>
libv: btw, I've completely given up on getting a firmware image from the supplier... I nailed the coffin with a review on aliexpress. ;)
<libv>
dack: where did you get this script.bin from?
<dack>
libv: I got that from the device before libnand futzed it up
<libv>
ah, ok
<wens>
ssvb: you still need a "fel" button to be truly unbrickable
<wens>
consider a working boot0/spl but bad u-boot
<wens>
at least aw's boot0/boot1 does checksumming
<wens>
but if you have access to the inner's of the device, yeah, it's unbrickable
<wens>
the a80 docs even say if you corrupted your nand, just take some tweezers and short out 2 pins
<wens>
and it will fail to boot from nand and go to fel
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<dack>
wens: I'm on a device that apparently has no OTG ports... The usual way to flash is to use an SDcard, but if you've destroyed the boot0 it won't use the sdcard, right?
<dack>
wens: in that case, is it bricked until an OTG port can be wired into the board (some how)? just wondering
<wens>
you can short out nand, it will fallback to mmc0, then fel
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<ssvb>
libv: how did you find the place to buy your 10" tablet?
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<libv>
ebay :)
<libv>
second hand
<libv>
owner f-ed up the android on it
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<ssvb>
libv: ok :)
<ssvb>
I'm just trying to figure out how people can use the device list from the linux-sunxi wiki to make an educated purchase
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<ssvb>
right now seems like it works the other way around: people just buy some "cat in the bag" tablet from some shady vendor, take it apart, look at the labels on the PCB and lookup the wiki to find out what they got
<atsampso1>
"The MOD Duo is the first multipurpose pedal." -- erm, no, it isn't
<atsampso1>
it's not even the first funded through a Kickstarter project!
<rafael_MOD>
it has some new multipurpose features, like impedance matching for any kind of instrument, its an external usb audio soundcard, totally open software
<dack>
ssvb: I was thinking about the same thing... some way to help finding a good device to buy
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<Wes->
rafael_MOD: in theory you could use this same platform to build voice processors, too
<rafael_MOD>
Wes-: sure, you can make a LVC plugin for that. An its open and runs linux, we are developing an ALSA generic driver for the soundcard. And the distro has RT patch.
<rafael_MOD>
LVC=LV2
<Wes->
ssvb: I'm actually doing the "tablet search" right now. I'm looking at screen resolution, screen type, presence of SD card slot, and which All Winner SoC is mentioned in the spec. After that..cross my fingers.
<dack>
is anyone else having issues accessing Google? or is it just my connection?
<Wes->
rafael_MOD: do it right and you could compete with TC Helicon. They are commanding premium dollar for their hardware and have very little competition. And they still don't seem to have anything as obvious as a pitch corrector *and* harmonizer in the same box. BTW, you're also close to having hardware that might be fun for keyboard guys (just add USB MIDI I/O), although I suppose a major...
<Wes->
...bridge to cross would be getting good VSTs running on ARM
<rafael_MOD>
We have Midi In, Midi Out and USB MIDI already working!
<rafael_MOD>
We chossed LV2 instead of VST. LV2 is totally open standard and there are plenty of independent developers doing great work with it.
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<hramrach>
ssvb: that's why I listed MSI in the bottom of the page. They sell their hardware pretty much worldwide. The tablets may not be as widely available, though.
<hramrach>
and they do have a web page with specs and to your next door brick-and-mortar shop delivery
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<Wes->
I'm having a problem with a USB device not enumerating on an A10 platform with a recent kernel. When the kernel reports this, does it mean there is a hardware incompatibility going on, or does it mean there is no kernel module to "talk" to the device at the other end?
<bonbons>
Wes-: that looks rather like a problem on USB bus, maybe your USB bus is not powered and just detects that there is something on the data lines?
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<libv>
ssvb: they do not need to open up the device
<libv>
ssvb: we collect android strings
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<ssvb>
libv: ok, you are right
<Wes->
bonbons: wierd, isn't it? Bus is definitely powered, no hub, and works okay with other peripherals. Interestingly, it triggers a USB power event on the device (and android tablet) for each cycle of detect...failure
<bonbons>
Wes-: how does that same device behave on other usb controllers?
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<Wes->
bonbons: Just fine. It's a Lenovo IdeaTab FWIW. Even more interesting: if I toggle either USB Tether or USB debugging on the device during the detect...fail cycle, it breaks the cycle and the driver loads. Even if USB debugging is *pre-checked* it doesn't work. (can't pre-check Tethering on this device, it is reset with each USB insertion)
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<hramrach_>
Wes-: did you try using a hub? preferably powered hub?
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<hramrach_>
also if both devices support OTG it might be a problem deciding which one is master
<hramrach_>
which a hub neatly solves with having upstream and downstream side re-determined
<hramrach_>
+p
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<hramrach_>
anyone has power to change topic?
<Wes->
hramrach_: No I did not, Interesting idea, I should run out to pick one up to see. In this case, I am using either of the USB host ports on my A10 device; the tablet DOES support OTG but I am not using the OTG adaptor. I need the tablet in device mode so it can charge while it's connected.
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<dack>
how can you tell which ethernet phy you have on a device? My understanding is that it's part of the SoC chip, right?
<dack>
nvm.. I see the chip on the board now.
<oliv3r>
the PHY is seperate, the MAC is part of the SoC
<oliv3r>
they communicate via the MII/RMII/GMII/RGMII bus
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<dack>
oliv3r: that must have been what I confused
<dack>
anyone have experience with connman for connection management?
<dack>
well.. maybe this is something else...
<dack>
I have an eth0 and wlan0... there's nothing connected to eth0 but somehow I get an IP address! Because of that I can't autoconnect the wifi.
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<Faisal>
hi guys, here is my question. i'm using uboot mainline instead of uboot sunxi on my cubietruck. Ive compiled uboot for my cubietruck, and got "u-boot.bin" and "u-boot-with-spl.bin". but my question is about script.bin. Do i need the file script.bin if i am not using sunxi-uboot ? if not, should i replace it with something else ?
<dack>
Faisal: I'm pretty sure you need it
<dack>
Faisal: wait.. I'm not sure what I'm talking about... ignore me. ^_^
<Faisal>
dack: ;)
<dack>
Faisal: I thought I read that you were using the sunxi-uboot...
<Faisal>
dack: np
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<dack>
libv: there seems to be an issue with including SUNXI_EMAC in boards.cfg for the TXCZ_A20...
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<dack>
libv: For some reason with it, the device thinks there's a connection on that adapter even if no cord is attached
<dack>
libv: this prevents connman from handling it properly... I have it set to switch to eth0 if it's available and wifi if there's no eth0 available
<dack>
libv: SUNXI_EMAC is causing it to think eth0 is always available even when it isn't... I'm wondering if it should be removed from boards.cfg in the repo
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<Faisal>
ok got my answer from google, starting with kernel 3.10, i will need a dts file (devicetree)
<Faisal>
the cubietruck devicetree file can be found on kernel.org
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<hramrach_>
Wes-: ok, if you use the host port there should not be a problem
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<hramrach_>
but using a hub is the simplest way to change topology somewhat, anyway
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