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<oranji>
Quick question, how does IPFS handle accidental collisions in hashes? Is the probability just too low and nothing is in place to handle it?
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<ctOS>
My website just got blocked in Turkey. I shouldn’t have been dragging my feet so much on deploying an IPFS mirror.
<LordFenixNC[m]>
After i got that message EVERY upload i do gets down voted by 1 of 3 Bots the main one ill screen shot here... down votes EVERY comment and post
<shoku[m]1>
Unless the videos are dodgy or something.
<LordFenixNC[m]>
its anime.... so i guess you would call that dodgy but from what i have seen they use that system to swat anything they dont like including people who are actually using it for blogging
<shoku[m]1>
Not all anime is bad. Some of it is very illegal.
<jacky>
like _very_
<jacky>
but hey
<shoku[m]1>
It sounds like your problem is with Dtube and their moderation
<Swedneck>
if you want a decentralized video platform you should probably use peertube instead
<LordFenixNC[m]>
dont claim to have a open platform handled by the community . if people dont like the content down vote it makes sense... but dont build a bot net just to impose what you want. I really dont care about them swatting at my videos cause well it was going to happen sooner or later and im in the process of just building my own. what annoys me is clicking on their profiles and looking at the other stuff
<LordFenixNC[m]>
they down vote its pretty much them HERDING the whole community into what they want and thats it
<LordFenixNC[m]>
if it was just their way to handle copyright that is one thing... but they are using it to knock out anyone they dont like.... the top videos are just more people talking about IPFS which i get... but there are others doing how to videos on hardware and even people using it as a legit block that is getting downvoted by the same spam bots
<Swedneck>
oh wow i didn't remember the bridge duplicating messages like that
<MisterGore[m]>
ok im getting really really frustrated I have no idea what am I doing wrong
<MisterGore[m]>
I struggles really hard and can only manage till about the quarter of it and then its just stops trying....
<Swedneck>
we'll see how it does for me
<MisterGore[m]>
if im looking at it with localhost:8080 theres no problem at all...obviously
<shadow53[m]>
Very heavy buffering. I couldn't get anything more than the initial frame on my phone
<Swedneck>
i'm also using my local gateway
<MisterGore[m]>
only if im trying to access it from any of my computers with ipfs.io/ipfs
<Swedneck>
i've gotten a third or fourth into the video
<MisterGore[m]>
*edit:* ~~I struggles really hard and can only manage till about the quarter of it and then its just stops trying....~~ -> It struggles really hard and can only manage till about the quarter of it and then its just stops trying....
<Swedneck>
let me try pinning it
<MisterGore[m]>
alright
<MisterGore[m]>
ive pinned it myself too btw
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<MisterGore[m]>
cant even download it
<Swedneck>
entire video managed to load for me
<MisterGore[m]>
yes now its good for me too
<MisterGore[m]>
but I believe only because u pinned it right?
<Swedneck>
not sure
<Swedneck>
it hasn't finished pinning
<amatuni[m]>
is there an ETA on the release of filecoin code?
<MisterGore[m]>
oh I thought pinning was like something what happens instantly
<Swedneck>
no it needs to download everything first
<Swedneck>
really all pinning means is protecting it from garbage collection
<Swedneck>
other than that it just requests the data normally and announced it to the network
<Swedneck>
why do i keep typing d instead of s
<MisterGore[m]>
😄
<MisterGore[m]>
its so weird, I wanted to upload videos to Dtube but since they are deleting old videos I thought I might as well just gonna host them myself but if it requires at least another person to also host my video than I'm not sure what to do anymore
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<MisterGore[m]>
*edit:* ~~its so weird, I wanted to upload videos to Dtube but since they are deleting old videos I thought I might as well just gonna host them myself but if it requires at least another person to also host my video than I'm not sure what to do anymore~~ -> its so weird, I wanted to upload videos to Dtube but since they are deleting old videos I thought I might as well just gonna host them myself but if it requires
<MisterGore[m]>
at least another person to also host my video then I'm not sure what to do anymore
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<jamiew>
spooky seeing messages both here and in the Discord now :)
<jamiedubs[m]>
hell of a delay too
<jamiedubs[m]>
haha
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<shoku[m]1>
I'm just happy we got the bridge going
<shoku[m]1>
It's nice to have the community in "one place"
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<deltab>
oranji: if the hashing algorithm is secure, a collision is too unlikely to be worth checking for; if not, it'd still be hard to engineer a situation in which it both matters and remains undetected, and meanwhile ipfs can switch to another algorithm
<aarshkshah1992>
Hi Guys I am learning IPFS and am in love with it But one thing bugs me Whenever I add some new content to it , looks like I am the only one hosting it
<aarshkshah1992>
```
<aarshkshah1992>
So ipfs dht findprovs QmaBFPV1X4wJde9AqJZtkRoRL6ohU6Dgzrkj3wWe6PxURT
<aarshkshah1992>
returns only one peer and that is mine
<aarshkshah1992>
How do I get more nodes across the network to host this content so it's available even my node crashes ?
<Swedneck>
Make content people want to pin
<Swedneck>
And ask people to pin it
<aarshkshah1992>
I see, so the list of peers I get on doing 'ipfs swarm peers' is the nodes that will server my reads, not accept my writes by default, right ?
<aarshkshah1992>
try to serve my reads/route*
<Swedneck>
very very very few nodes accept writes
<Swedneck>
what you can do is request your content from public gateways, which will make them cache it for a while
<aarshkshah1992>
I see, so the 'permenancy' of the 'permanent web' will come only when people explicitly pin my content. Because even public gateway caches will get garbage collected if they don't pin my content
<Swedneck>
well caching would be sufficient if it's popular content
<Swedneck>
i.e. just browsing
<Swedneck>
pinning is like continuing to seed a torrent after downloading it
<aarshkshah1992>
Yes, but caches get gc'd out right . Say I want to persist wikipedia on IPFS. I'd have to ask many nodes to explicitly pin it to ensure it is permanent.
<Swedneck>
that's why i said popular content
<Swedneck>
if it's something that millions of people visit every day, it will stay in cache
<Swedneck>
even if it's something you only visit now and then, someone will always have it in cache
<aarshkshah1992>
Oh got it, makes sense. :)
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<Codebird>
IPFS has no push mechanism.
<Codebird>
when you initially add something, you and you alone host it.
<Codebird>
Any other node that retrieves it from you then automatically becomes a mirror.
<Swedneck>
filecoin will in the future help with this, letting you pay to have people pin stuff
<Codebird>
This decision was made for legal reasons - if IPFS ever turned your node into a mirror for something you did not request, you could still be held legally responsible for it. Could lead to ugliness.
<Swedneck>
for now there's eternum.io and similar services
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<Codebird>
If you want a quick way to test and verify that your insert is indeed retrievable by other nodes, there are publicly accessible gateways at ipfs.io and birds-are-nice.me which you could use to retrieve whatever you inserted.
<Codebird>
In the long term, as Swedneck said, filecoin is intended as one potential solution. But it's not ready yet.
<Codebird>
Also, merely retrieving something does not pin it: A node will stop data that is not being frequently accessed after a time when it runs low on space, while pinning flags it as protected from the space-freeing process.
<ctOS>
Speaking of pinning, is there a pin-browser that lets me see what I’ve actually pinned and when it was pinned?
<Codebird>
There's a command that lists pins, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.
<Swedneck>
`ipfs pin ls --type=recursive`
<Codebird>
Thank you. Found it a moment before I did.
<Swedneck>
i don't think you can list when it was pinned, though
<aarshkshah1992>
I see. So I was looking into OrbitDB and am amazed with it's functionalities. The only thing I am unable to understand is that if another node replicates my DB
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<aarshkshah1992>
Can the entire DB on that node be GC'd if it isn't explicitly pinned ?
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<jamiedubs[m]>
I"m not too familiar with OrbitDB specifically, but an ipfs node will eventually gc anything not pinned
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<elux>
just wondering, is IPNS usable..? i published something, and to now resolve it its taking > 30 seconds on first attempt.. and now second attempt, its even much longer
<elux>
looks to me like ipns is another layer, using pubsub to send messages, and persist in the dht of the record -- except, there must be a very small network operating it, as its pretty much unusable
<elux>
maybe one day with gossipsub and filecoin, they will help.. i suppose like ~2 more years
<elux>
even cloudflare's ipfs with ipns support takes forever to resolve a page :P hehe, i think ipns needs an overhaul
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<ctOS>
What is the overhead like when you only access one file in a directory with thousands of files?
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<fiatjaf>
elux, use dnslink with /ipfs/ paths directly, it works 100000000 times faster
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<elux>
fiatjaf: ok, ill check it out -- thanks!
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<elux>
yea, this makes a lot more sense for websites, thanks!
<elux>
my use-case for ipns is a bit different, but, nevertheless, still nice to see dnslink as something that makes ipfs-powered websites usable
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<elux>
are there limits in the number of messages / sec can be published to a particular topic? either from a single node, or from 100_000 nodes publishing a message each minute to the same topic?
<elux>
i assume the floodsub does not guarantee delivery, and in this case, a lot of messages will never make it to subscribers, without warning?
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<shoku[m]1>
Hey lidel are you a mod on the subreddit?
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<lidel>
shoku[m]1, no, I just squatted name there, but not using the service
<shoku[m]1>
ah shit. you'r e not able to access the name? would be cool to add the discord link to the sidebar
<lidel>
shoku[m]1, i mean I squatted /u/lidel -- i dont use reddit, so may not know that you mean :)
<elux>
yea, def would be nice to get that link on the reddit sidebar, as well in the README of various ipfs projects
<lidel>
elux, iirc floodsub is the first, and very naive implementation of pubsub. it can quickly flood (pun intended) the peers killing performance. you may want to look into gossipsub. technical details are probably around ~ https://github.com/libp2p/specs/tree/master/pubsub#Implementations
<shoku[m]1>
Exactly!
<Swedneck>
IRC, matrix, and discord should be linked together ideally
<shoku[m]1>
Do you know any of the mods?
<shoku[m]1>
They are
<Swedneck>
getting the links onto ipfs.io is probably most important
<Swedneck>
no i mean, they should all be linked in the same place
<Swedneck>
which will tell people about the IRC channel, the matrix room (and eventually community), and the discord guild
<elux>
lidel: thanks, will check it out. ive heard of gossipsub, but was under the impression the arch/design stage has been completed, and implementations are commencing now
<shoku[m]1>
I guess my mission for today is getting the discord on the site and the subreddit
<Swedneck>
i think someone could just submit a PR to the website actually
<shoku[m]1>
and if you guys know of some readmes it should be added to
<shoku[m]1>
Good idea. If you tell me how to I will haha
<Swedneck>
lidel: what do you think about using my instance of the discord bridge instead of the t2bot.io one? It'd be a lot faster
<shoku[m]1>
It's been like 2 days since we had the bridge lol
<Swedneck>
i'm just getting annoyed at the delayed messages
<lidel>
shoku[m]1, let's remember Discord, unlike Matrix or IRC, is a proprietary platform. I don't think we should endorse it on the website. Bridge is just a convenience to people who really want to use it, but actively promoting thrid party commercial service feels off. Why not Slack? Why not Facebook Something? etc.
<lidel>
Swedneck, we can switch, if you feel it will be faster/more stable.
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<elux>
lidel: do you know much about ipns' development? it feels super slow/unusable. are they planning to first make gossipsub widespread, then rebuild ipns?
<shoku[m]1>
Slack and Facebook commonly invade people's privacy though
<Swedneck>
so does discord lol
<shoku[m]1>
Bs. Show me the receipts.
<shoku[m]1>
(I know one of the investors)
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<shoku[m]1>
I understand the stance on open vs proprietary. That said, I don't think the link to a place for discussion is an ideological matter. I think it's a matter of reach. There's people on Discord that don't use IRC and Matrix, that we can reach more easily via Discord.
<lidel>
elux, I know improving IPNS is on the roadmap for 2019, but I am not fully up to date on details
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<elux>
yep, agreed. a lot of people are on discord using well made desktop and mobile clients. also having a message history is useful when you can't always be online to follow dialog or have async discussion, like issue with IRC
<elux>
makes sense, yea, ipns needs an overhaul :)
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<lidel>
shoku[m]1, feel free to create a PR to add the link to Discord, it can be evaluated and discussed there (fyi somehow related discussion about adding link to linkedin: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs/pull/375)
<shoku[m]1>
Hello!
<swedneck[m]2>
just to be sure, shoku you're fine with using my instance to bridge, right?
<shoku[m]1>
Nothing against it, as long as you manage it 😃
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<peterk[m]>
hi
<swedneck[m]2>
i do :P
<Swedneck>
ok lidel, run !discord unbridge
<shoku[m]1>
lidel: oh my. so much drama.
<shoku[m]1>
Bound to happen when it's an ideology-driven discussion imho
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<lidel>
shoku[m]1, yes, people have different sensibilities about it, so you need to address concerns and explain the added value (I think Discord may be easier to swallow than Linkedin tho)
<shoku[m]1>
Looks like the main 2 points are about it being not technical enough, and it not being open
<shoku[m]1>
I think the bridge does make points moot though as we mirror the content. So the difference here is the reach and what client is used.
<lidel>
!discord unbridge
<DiscordBridgeswe>
This room is not bridged.
<DiscordBridge[m]>
This room has been unbridged
<Swedneck>
can you kick Discord Bridge ?
<lidel>
shoku[m], before I register Swedneck's bridge , revoke the https://t2bot.io/discord/ bridge's permissions from within Discord please, we dont want two bridges receiving commands
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<Swedneck>
If you can, do that. Then run !discord bridge 475789330380488707/475789330380488709
<Swedneck>
i've kicked it from discord
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<DiscordBridgeswe>
I'm asking permission from the guild administrators to make this bridge.
<DiscordBridgeswe>
I have bridged this room to your channel
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<lidel>
neat
<DiscordBridge[m]>
There was a problem bridging that channel - has the guild owner approved the bridge?
<Swedneck>
test
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<lidel>
test from irc
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<swedneckswedneck>
ok shoku, re-post that message
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<shoku[m]2>
This is gonna sound silly but I don't know how to make the PR for this. Do I need to clone the repo, dl the site, add the link, publish it?
<shoku[m]2>
got it
<Swedneck>
it's gonna take a little while for the new bridge to settle in, then it'll be noticably faster
<shoku[m]2>
ok
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<shoku[m]2>
I'm glad we have this going btw
<Swedneck>
:D
<shoku[m]2>
so much nicer to have the community in one place
<shoku[m]2>
so both irc and matrix are here now?
<shoku[m]2>
(plus discord)
<Swedneck>
yeah
<Swedneck>
as for the website, i think forking the repo, cloning, making changes, comitting, pushing to your fork, and making a pull request should be enough
<Swedneck>
then they do the publishing
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<shoku[m]2>
Right. Sounds like so many steps lol
<shoku[m]2>
You mention they use Hugo?
<Swedneck>
eh, that's just how git related stuff works
<shadow53[m]>
I was actually working on making my theme IPFS friendly, since Hugo didn't support true relative paths the last time I checked
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<Swedneck>
Have you guys seen this before? It looks very interesting https://holochain.org/
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<whereswaldon>
I have some questions about multicodec. Is there anyone around who might be able to give me some pointers?
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<Swedneck>
there is an irc channel for multiformat but it's not very active unfortunately
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<whereswaldon>
@Swedneck is it #multiformats? or similar? I can go ask there if you think I shouldn't be asking here.
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<Swedneck>
well it would be more suitable for that channel, if it was active. I think here is as good of a place as any for now
<whereswaldon>
Okay, fair enough. I don't suppose you're familiar with multicodec usage by any chance?
<Swedneck>
i barely understand normal codecs
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<whereswaldon>
Fair enough. I'm really just trying to understand the output of using multicodec to serialize something. I'll wait until someone who's used it comes along. Thanks!
<whereswaldon>
Yeah, that's actually the source of my confusion
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<whereswaldon>
The output that I get is not consistent with the standard described there
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<whereswaldon>
That page says "A multicodec identifier may either be a varint (in a byte string) or a symbol (in a text string)."
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<whereswaldon>
Using the go implementation, serializing a JSON array, the output begins with *both* a varint and and symbol.
<whereswaldon>
I get a 0x6 as the varint, followed by the string "/json\n" (with that newline), then my JSON array starts
<Swedneck>
hmm, hopefully someone else knows then
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<someuser76>
Quick question that realy has nothing to do with the IPFS project but is IPFS related. Last time I used IPFS (early this year i guess) loading DTube videos through my own node worked but today with a fresh install of the latest go-ipfs it seems impossible. My best guess is that DTube is the ones to blame and not the IPFS network , known issue? Any links where I can read more about it?
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<Swedneck>
can you even get video hashes from dtube?
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<someuser76>
Yep. Just rightclick the video and select "show video" or "copy link", translated from swedish so might differ a bit in English. (Visa Video, Kopiera Videadress i Firefox)
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<Swedneck>
lol videos won't even play for me
<Swedneck>
all scripts allowed, even turned ublock origin off, yet it doesn't work
<whereswaldon>
Until this moment, I'd never even heard of Dtube
<someuser76>
Same thing here, using my IPFS gateway the videos won't play, disabling the gateway they play just fine from DTube;s servers.
<Swedneck>
this is just making me dislike dtube even more
<Swedneck>
oh shit yeah, turning off ipfs-companion fixed it
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<someuser76>
I really liked the idea of "storing" videos in ipfs but if they do not serve the videos to the ipfs network longer it's crap.
<Swedneck>
a much better version of dtube would be a site that just indexes videos on ipfs
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<Swedneck>
you could probably make it completely distributed with orbitdb
<someuser76>
whereswaldon: At this point in time I really thought anyone using ipfs would have known of Dtube, proves me wrong on that one.
<whereswaldon>
I passively use IPFS right now. I maintain py-ipfs-api and I'm working on some peripherially related projects for which I need multicodecs
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<someuser76>
whereswaldon: Ok, so you are coding ipfs thingies, that is great. I need to look up py-ipfs-api to see what that is.
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<whereswaldon>
It's a python library that lets you invoke commands on a running IPFS daemon programmatically
<Swedneck>
oh i think i used that when i tried to make an ipfs gui in gtk
<whereswaldon>
It doesn't support all of the latest IPFS features though
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<Kolonka[m]>
>Bs. Show me the receipts.
<Kolonka[m]>
Well, there was that one time they shut down a bunch of servers for political wrongthink, shoku
<Kolonka[m]>
Several times actually
<Kolonka[m]>
Wouldn't surprise me if they turned out to be a PRISM partner
<Kolonka[m]>
I'd be in favour of Slack, but only so we could add another bridge