<vil>
and elliottcable is lowercase what is happening
elliottcable is now known as ELLIOTTCABLE
<vil>
whew
<gq>
vil: ohai
<vil>
o/
<gq>
vil: lol earlier i was in here and talking but i was q+ or something and nobody could hear me but purr
<gq>
purr was like RRR and LOL and ELLIOTTCABLE and joelteon were like wtf is happening
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
all of the caps, ejsus
<gq>
ALL OF THE CAPS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so I found out my ex's parents have cable
<vil>
says the guy who's name is all caps
<vil>
I have cable
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nobody else I know even remembers that “cable” means anything other than an Internet provider thingie
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, I typed their login to my Apple TV
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and now I'm watching Game of Thrones without having to search down any NZBs, or wait for anything to download. It's pretty magical. #thefuture
<vil>
nice
<gq>
more like #thepast
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: which ex?
<gq>
also how the fuck do you have your EX'S /PARENTS/ logins?
<gq>
the fuck
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not getting into it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
they keep a booklet.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's all extremely legibly written, nicely organized on lines and shit
<gq>
...my parents keep their wifi pass on a piece of paper, folded, with like 6 other random scribbles on it
<gq>
it's not even folded evently
<gq>
*evenly, even
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: d wants to know if you broke into their house
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
DDDDDOOOOONAAAAAALLLD
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
we should facetime
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or whatever people without Apple products do these days
<gq>
skype?
<gq>
i even have a webcam
<gq>
from the op i did not cheat with
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(‘hangouts?’ or is Skype still a thing people haven't realized they should hate?)
<gq>
oh, hangouts
<gq>
yeah, i love hangouts
<gq>
and yes skype sucks
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i've never hangoutsded
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I have a Nexus 7 I've barely used. I should break it out and we could hangout.
<gq>
do it do it do it
<gq>
it'll be great
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
we could even get spherec—COUGH, er, vil, in on it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not tonight. I am exhausted.
<gq>
god dammit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can barely handle the GoT and IRC.
<gq>
he says good 'cos he's naked
<gq>
you hear that
<gq>
D IS NAKED
<gq>
RED ALERT, ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat, it's not *my* fault that you're an uncommunicative pile of poo these past few years
<gq>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
pff, i said he was *cute*, not, like, pants-dropping man-hunk hotness
<gq>
i specifically recall the sentence 'the only attractive man i've ever actually met irl'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I wonder if I can open up remote-control of an AR.Drone to the web
<gq>
or something of that ilk
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
let random fucks from IRC fly around my house
<gq>
whether that qualifies as pants-dropping man-hunk hotness or not is up to you i suppose
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lolololo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GotGotGotGotGotGoT?
<gq>
got
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Accidentally (half of) the whole Amazon.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(a little mis-leading, because I'm also a natural tool-nut, and my rather extensive toolbox got raided in the Wilmington Years, so a lot of the things I ended up ordering there, I needed *anyway* to restock my toolbox … but still …)
<whitequark>
the fuck is that?
<whitequark>
inside, I mean
<whitequark>
... ec?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: a huge quantity of tools, as well as some ee hobbyist gear
<whitequark>
sure. I was interested more specifically
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a beginner logic analyzer/oscilloscope, soldering/desoldering station (high-end Hakko one, but only because I already know what I'm doing and what I want, there)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, sure
<whitequark>
scope... *sigh*
* whitequark
can't get one.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
why not?
<whitequark>
customs.
<whitequark>
there's basically no way a private individual can import a scope.
<whitequark>
much less a good one.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Akro-Mils pick-bin system for parts, 'cause I can't stand being disorganized
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Hakko FM204-CP, with a couple specific tips (nothing über-specialized, a couple chisels of different sizes, a concave-tip for drag-soldering, which I never mastered, and a conical
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a jeweler's third-hand station,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
an Owon MSO8102T logic analyzer / DSO,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a Mastech variable DC triple power-supply,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… then there's a bunch of workbench-stuff. 'cause I'm an organization and tool nut.
<whitequark>
a fine selection of tools, I would say
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you know, a pair of configurable vices / board-holders; a smoke absorber, also Hakko; a articulating magnifying work-lamp; a label-maker …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
thank you <3
<whitequark>
by the way, dude
<whitequark>
I love you
<whitequark>
because
<whitequark>
"Akro-Mils pick-bin system for parts"
<whitequark>
is what I've been searching for, for like, ages
<whitequark>
brb amazon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you're welcome.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's truly excellent.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as usual, I've done my research.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
they make ESD-safe bins for the damn things!
<whitequark>
I've currently have all of them stuffed in some kind of boxes made of crappy USSR-style plastic
<whitequark>
you know, they're "modular"
<whitequark>
I had to assemble them with a hammer
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no sketchy-ghetto lining of plastic boxes with ESD foam
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
best. thing.
<whitequark>
with a wooden hammer, yes, but still a hammer
<whitequark>
oh, okay, that downgrades it to "bloody expensive"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and a small selection of variously-sized ESD bins (all fairly small. I mean, it's for teensy EE-hobbyist bits and pieces.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
36$ is bloody expensive?
<whitequark>
add the bins
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, all told, I think the racking cost me $150
* whitequark
sighs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, that's not fully populated; but I neither have tons of existing gear to stuff into them.
<whitequark>
see, I can afford it, it's just the customs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
jacks the price up? :x
<whitequark>
I have a limit of $200 per month
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
holy dam
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh lol
<whitequark>
because Putin doesn't like people buying stuff over the internet
<whitequark>
it used to be $1000
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so in addition to all that obvious shit, I've got the *absolute strangest* set of various tools.
<whitequark>
yeah go on
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
In a single order, I've got tools for dentists, woodworkers, industrial metalsmiths, jewelers, surgeons, and sculptors.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Oh. Also, an agilent 34450A bench-multimeter.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for the list of high-end EE-hobby-specific gear.
<whitequark>
that's overkill :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lolyep
<whitequark>
the multimeter, I mean.
<whitequark>
other is... who knows.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but I had three criterion: Bench, 'cause I'm *me*, and the aesthetically-pleasing-ness of my lab is almost as important to me as its functionalty, and I want it to stack with the other bench-gear … high accuracy, after putting a lot of research into the benefits of a very precise and well-calibrated DMM … and capacitance measuring, which is rare in the
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bench-mounted ones, until you get into the ridiculous over-one-thousand price-points.
<whitequark>
do you have something specific in mind when talking about high accuracy and capacitance measurement?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for the former: after a lot of research, the best summary I heard was something along these lines: ‘If you just want to know if a circuit is broken, a 15$ DMM from RadioShack will serve just fine. If you want help figuring out *how* it's broken, you'd better damn well get a Fluke, and keep it calibrated.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as for capacitance and temperature, I'm a data nerd, and I love measuring things. so no, nothing specific. :D
<whitequark>
mm yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I chose Agilent over Fluke, because they seem to be the trusted incumbent for bench-mount industrial lab gear. and, aforementioned obsession with aesthetics.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(to be clear: my lab will be *visible from the couch*, when watching TV, unless I keep the door closed. It's gotta stand up, visually, to a McIntosh 275, and Martin Logan fronts. It's a part of the atmosphere of my entire apartment.)
<whitequark>
weird to hear using something over Fluke, especially if the reason is not cost
<whitequark>
but yeah, Agilent is fine too
* whitequark
obsessively refreshes the tracking page for his CNC machine
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you ordered a CNC? :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
tell me about it
<whitequark>
нуы
<whitequark>
*yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and how was *that* under $200?
<prophile>
depends on the nature of the CNC machine
<whitequark>
that wasn't, it was $600 + $300 delivery (EMS. fuck it all.)
<whitequark>
and the limit used to be $1000, as I've said
<whitequark>
the crackdown on online trade is very recent
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ah, missed that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
$200 a month. wow.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
can't stash it away, can you? and buy one $1000 thing for the entire spring, or, idk, some shit?
<whitequark>
no
<whitequark>
see, there's two things
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I could order things for you, break them into pieces, and sell you one chunk each month.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for a price. <3
<whitequark>
you can technically buy something over $200, and then you'd have to pay 30% tax on (price - $200)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh gods, 30%
<whitequark>
but it is not the problem, I could *probably* afford that, though it gets old
<whitequark>
the problem is that the customs are going to rape you in the ass, and the process is so long and painful (2+ months, 3+ trips to some shithole in Moscow suburb) that I'd probably actually choose the aforementioned sex act
<whitequark>
plus the paperwork, oh god the paperwork
<whitequark>
if it's over $200, write an explanation. if you don't receive it to your registration address (eg renting a flat), write an explanation
<whitequark>
if you can't show *the copy of the card you ordered it with*, write a fucking explanation
<whitequark>
it's like high school all over again, except nationwide
<whitequark>
it's a great motivation to gtfo out of here, though
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“registration address?”
<whitequark>
yeah, you need to tell your government updated on where you live
<whitequark>
it's a remnant of the USSR system, where you did not have freedom of travel [within the country either]
<whitequark>
s,tell,keep,
<whitequark>
sooo you need to own an apartment and register yourself as living in that apartment
<whitequark>
if you don't *own* one, you're in a world of pain
<whitequark>
if you live somewhere else, you're in... well. a bit of pain.
<whitequark>
(own or have a relative who owns it)
<whitequark>
okay... enough about madness, let's talk about machinery
<whitequark>
it's a neat little device. quite sturdy mechanically (great; especially for the cost. don't believe ebay telling it's from "USA", it's from China of course)
<whitequark>
but the control is, um, lacking. it needs a hardware LPT port (*not* an USB dongle; good luck), and you can't even control the spindle from the computer
<whitequark>
the control block is built out of 74xx series. in 2013, yeah
<whitequark>
I want to use it to drill PCBs (hands not nearly steady enough, especially for smaller drill bits), perhaps mill them, and maybe more
<whitequark>
(drilling) I want to be able to make "good enough" PCBs without a factory roundtrip. mainly because it's just slow, but also because of cost, too. for bigger boards it quickly becomes prohibitive.
<whitequark>
so, I'm going to figure out how to use the photoprocess and the CNC to repeatably make high-quality double-sided PCBs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-clouds
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<whitequark>
good photoresist and photoresist-form solder mask is hanging in a package somewhere, too
<whitequark>
(more) I also have some ideas about extending the CNC machine itself
* ELLIOTTCABLE
grins
<whitequark>
for example, it shouldn't be too hard to make it deposit the soldering paste (there are industrial machines for that, incredibly expensive), as this is somewhat easier than etching a brass plate for that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
similar-ish goals with the Othermill.
<whitequark>
another thing would be to make it into a pick&place machine!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can always order PCBs or Shapeways cases, of course
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but *having in-house*, means iterating on whatever mad goals or ideas I have, within hours (i.e. after lunch), instead of within days
<whitequark>
another thing is to use an optic fiber to expose the resist, instead of a film with a photonegative image
<whitequark>
yes, exactly
<whitequark>
hours? try minutes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, I'm talking about 3D printing, too
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for the non-electronic parts of gadgets.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cases, mechanical bits and pieces, supports, whatever.
<whitequark>
the cheaper ones are too low on bang/buck ratio
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
when the fuck are you coming to the US? :P
<whitequark>
the expensive ones are too expensive
<whitequark>
well
<whitequark>
temporarily or permanently?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
either!
<whitequark>
temporarily no idea. I kinda spent all my money on the toys, and the cheapest flight to US is $1500 (what are the planes flying on, $1 bills?)
<whitequark>
permanently also no idea, they didn't get back to me (yet? I hope.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Peter at Apple. d'awwwwwwwww'ing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bbl I realllllly shouldn't be sitting at the computer.
<whitequark>
yeah, it's kinda ironic, looking at how I touched their products once or twice in my life
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: what should you be doing instead?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've got company coming Sunday, and I'm in the middle of several things, so my place is a mess.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
long explanation short: my future-lab (second bedroom) has been acting as a kind of storage-room for random shit, for my moving-in process as a whole.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
stuff I've been putting off. it was a mess.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… and now my entry-way is *chock full* of cardboard boxes full of shit, that's supposed to go into that room.
<whitequark>
set it all on fire!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, I need to rush and finish up clearing out that room, so I can move all of the lab gear *into* there, and leave the rest of my home open.
<whitequark>
and then dance around it!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then clean the newly-opened-up apartment, and organize everything, 'cause people.
<whitequark>
but, yeah.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so. yeah. lots to do.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugghg
<aki_>
you should get a house husband
<aki_>
they are great
<whitequark>
house husband?
<whitequark>
aki_: also, who are you?
<aki_>
hi. I'm aki.
<whitequark>
what do you like to do?
<whitequark>
(and hello, yes)
<aki_>
I'm a programmer, gamer, knitter.
<aki_>
I like to tweet (@gesa) and once I sold everything I owned and went to europe until I ran out of money.
<whitequark>
neat!
<alexgordon>
aki_: a house husband?
<alexgordon>
aki_: I think you and cuttle will get along (where IS cuttle?)
<aki_>
alexgordon: my partner just graduated and we're moving cross country in a few months so I suggested maybe he not get a job until we move
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aki_: your partner (he?) sounds like the Most Useful Thing™.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm pretty much a house-husband-to-nobody. I stopped programming a while back, and lately have done basically nothing but put effort into home improvement, and cleaning.
<whitequark>
you sound like a student with a big exam ahead
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
omfg github dodgeball tournament
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that looks like so much fun.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gods, I need to be involved with a ‘cool’ tech company.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
preferably one that makes cool stuff *too*, instead of spending all their time fuckin' around, but hey, whatever
<joelteon>
I played in the github dodgeball tournament last year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
really?
<joelteon>
yeah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
joelteon: what do you even actually *do*
<joelteon>
I work for godaddy
<joelteon>
anyway, the tournament was ok
<whitequark>
joelteon: what?
<joelteon>
but the afterparty was *amazing*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I just always assumed you were a basement nerd, who spent all of his time tweaking his Linux kernel and competing in vim-golf.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wait. wat.
<joelteon>
what
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
otters works for go daddy.
<joelteon>
yeah
<whitequark>
if it's not a joke
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
THE ENEMY IS AMONGST US.
<joelteon>
indeed
<whitequark>
I officially hate you or something
<joelteon>
yeah i know
<whitequark>
--joelteon
<whitequark>
never this has been more appropriate!
<joelteon>
joelteon--
<purr>
Let it be known that joelteon hates joelteon.
<whitequark>
wait
<joelteon>
wait
<whitequark>
joelteon--
<purr>
Let it be known that whitequark hates joelteon.
<joelteon>
joelteon++
<purr>
Let it be known that joelteon is indifferent to joelteon.
<joelteon>
there we go
<glowcoil>
hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<glowcoil>
hi aki_
<glowcoil>
11:04:31 <+ELLIOTTCABLE> preferably one that makes cool stuff *too*, instead of spending all their time fuckin' around, but hey, whatever
<smutgordon>
glowcoil: one day you can aspire to be a house husband!
<glowcoil>
haha
<joelteon>
i'm part of the bookkeeping team, so a startup that was acquired by godaddy
<glowcoil>
smutgordon: it's like, the name I want to produce music under
<joelteon>
so it's still kinda start uppy
<smutgordon>
glowcoil: same for me
<joelteon>
except without the danger of going bankrupt
<glowcoil>
smutgordon: and also I don't like having my middle initial in my @twet name and it's free pretty much everwyhere
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ok I can minecraft with you
<whitequark>
didn't touch it in years
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
let's mumble
<whitequark>
mumble?
<smutgordon>
glowcoil: I see
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
voice-group-chat
<whitequark>
ah, sure
<glowcoil>
smutgordon: so yeah that's definitely something
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I sometimes force it upon this channel
<smutgordon>
glowcoil: sounds rather tedious :P
<glowcoil>
jesus christ that numbers on the boards beat
<smutgordon>
write a python script!
<glowcoil>
so fucking good
<glowcoil>
smutgordon: well, considering it's mostly repeated, you mostly work on several bars :p
<whitequark>
oh god I have such horrible echo
<glowcoil>
also it's a different time investment than practicing instruments
<smutgordon>
I gueeeeess
<smutgordon>
I would still write a python script
<glowcoil>
HOW COULD YOU RELATE WHEN YOU AIN'T NEVER BEEN GREAT
<glowcoil>
AND RELY ON RAP MONEY TO PUT FOOD UPON YOUR PLATES NIGGA
<glowcoil>
I MIGHT SELL A BRICK ON MY BIRTHDAY
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fucking fuck
<glowcoil>
THIRTY SIX YEARS OF DOIN DIRT LIKE IT'S EARTH DAY
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
can't type the password to my USB key
<smutgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: stop fapping
<glowcoil>
guys can i minecraft with you
<smutgordon>
I really am living up to my nick today
<glowcoil>
:p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fapping? what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: yes please <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
give it half an hour
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I want to clean up my desk, and get my mouse
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and get mumble online
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: okay so
<whitequark>
how do I mumble
<whitequark>
by which I mean gimme your certificate already
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that explains a lot. I was typing a lot of wrong words.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
#toomanypasswords
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
#toolongpassword
<whitequark>
lol what
<purr>
lol
<glowcoil>
i made an edge detection algorithm
<glowcoil>
slash image high pass filter
<whitequark>
slash filter is great for fanfiction
<whitequark>
i'd imagine there is a lot of use for that
<whitequark>
you can get an idea of how long I didn't play minecraft by
<whitequark>
minecraft is the first game I ever bought and the password for it is not in chrome
<whitequark>
ooo they did the launcher thing
<yorick>
I don't think they have the lwjgl versions updated
<whitequark>
hm?
<glowcoil>
lightweight java game library
<whitequark>
I know
<whitequark>
why should it be updated?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark, glowcoil, downloading mumble now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
server's probably still online at ell.io or whatever it always was
<whitequark>
apt-get install mumble <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-mumble
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: We don't use Mumble for voice-chat! Talk to us: mumble://ell.io/ (Download the client for Mac, Linux, or PC at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-find mumble
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: We don't use Mumble for voice-chat! Talk to us: mumble://ell.io/ (Download the client for Mac, Linux, or PC at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
<whitequark>
uh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-find mumb
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Found: mumble
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-factoid mumble
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Popularity: 6, last changed by: sephr, 381ſ 996mſ ago
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
goddamnit sephr
<yorick>
whitequark: because the version they have now crashes on linux with multiple monitors and lags the sound
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he's like my dog
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he poops all over everything
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and you don't even find all of the turds until years later
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
stashed under couch cushions and behind furniture