devyn changed the topic of #elliottcable to: 22:53:14 <+whitequark> also there was a fragment about Swiss embassy being located on top of a 1000-ft pole, inside which there was a gigantic arms exhibit
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<joelteon> GOD DAMN IT
<joelteon> userauth_pubkey: unsupported public key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp521
<joelteon> FUCK
<joelteon> WHY
<joelteon> FUCKING BUTTS
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* whitequark watches yet another battle for feminism in tech to unfold
<whitequark> it's weird, realizing that my mother and grandmother were programmers, for a long, long time. the latter worked into her 70's (she is quite stubborn on the topic of retirement), and most of her colleagues were women either.
<whitequark> so much for young male privilege!
<whitequark> if you don't actively filter internet, you'd think it consists exclusively of California
<whitequark> english-language internet, of course.
<vil> my internet mostly does, practically everyone I follow is in CA
<vil> or at least, the people who I actively converse with on a regular basis
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<whitequark> vil: well, duh, and where are you from?
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<vil> michigan
<whitequark> isn't that weird? you're living in a tiny california bubble.
<vil> the people there are infinitely more interesting than the ones here at home
<whitequark> I find that hard to believe. I see where you'd come from; we have an extreme degree of the same delusion here, sarcastically summarized as "there is no life outside MKAD"
<whitequark> (MKAD being a road circling Moscow and its metaphorical boundary)
<vil> I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, with practically no one who knows anything about the outside world
<whitequark> while it's true that regions aren't extremely exciting, there are sure a lot of interesting people there
<whitequark> including in small towns in the middle of nowhere, yes.
<vil> ok, perhaps it would be better to say that no one here shares my interests
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<vil> so how is everybody in here? seems like I only ever lurk anymore
<whitequark> lurk as in the channel?
<vil> yeah
<whitequark> well, ec deserted
<vil> so it's been pretty quiet then I assume?
<whitequark> yeah
<audy> !seen ec
<audy> purr seen ec
<audy> ??
<audy> no seenbot?
<vil> -seen ec
<vil> -purr
* purr
<vil> hi purr
<purr> vil: hi!
<audy> hi
<purr> audy: hi!
<whitequark> audy: ec is here now
<audy> well at least purr is here
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE__: ←
<audy> oh I meant -last
<audy> -last ELLIOTTCABLE__
<vil> dammit purr
<audy> I guess it's time to fork purr
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<vil> we were going to start on purr 2.0, never happened
<vil> I have her source, though
<vil> man there are a lot of people here
<vil> why
<vil> 31 people in a channel named after a guy who's never even here anymore
<yorick> he was here yesterday
<vil> for any length of time though? or just his usual "hi" and then vanish?
<yorick> he told us about his terrible new year
<vil> oh no, what happened?
<yorick> vil: his...girlfriend? got mad at him for no reason and yelled at him in front of their friends and then things escalated
<vil> ooh. that sucks
<vil> actually, I'll go check out the scrollback if it hasn't fallen off
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<whitequark> vil: irclog.whitequark.org/elliottcable
<vil> I dug through my logs
<vil> wow
<vil> that's so horrible :/
<audy> vil use them to make a markov chain or yourself https://gist.github.com/audy/8155204
<whitequark> easily greppable etc
<vil> coolio
<vil> I need to get mine better organized
<vil> probably set a culling limit
<vil> I just turned them on on a whim for a conversation elsewhere
<vil> audy: vil_ebooks
<audy> ya
<audy> that script is slow as stink btw
<vil> haha
<audy> I thought about weighing phrases and removing ones that are too infrequent
<audy> for example, it will include a hyperlink in the markov model
<vil> that'd be p neat
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<devyn> damn ISPs and their upload speed limiting http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3212703896
<joelteon> hey, do you guys know how to make mysql complain about invalid conversions
<devyn> lolmysq l
<purr> lolmysq
<devyn> oops hit the spacebar
<joelteon> ruby throws an UndefinedConversionError
<joelteon> there must be a way to do it
<joelteon> :\
<devyn> log the queries your lib puts out
<devyn> it's probably a configuration query of some sort
<joelteon> i'm in the mysql cli
<joelteon> select convert(_utf8 x'e591a8' using latin1);
<joelteon> 1 row affected, 23.7ms, 0 warnings
<devyn> oh UndefinedConversionError is something Ruby puts out itself
<joelteon> well, yeah
<devyn> so the conversion is happening client side before it gets to the server
<joelteon> but still, there should be a way to detect it
<devyn> not always
<devyn> some systems don't
<devyn> well
<devyn> they don't throw an error
<devyn> instead
<devyn> they'll put a special unicode char in
<joelteon> mysql inserts an ascii question mark instead
<devyn> I forget what it's called but it's basically "invalid" or something
<devyn> ah ok
<joelteon> so it's impossible to tell whether i'm getting valid data out or not
<cuttle> whitequark: early computer science had a lot more women, and also anecdotes ≠ data
<cuttle> whitequark: there's like 10% or something women right now, isn't that telling?
<devyn> joelteon: yep probably can't get MySQL to do anything about it
<joelteon> OMFG
<devyn> cuttle: for whatever reason, in much of the world, it's not encouraged for women to get into "hard" fields like CS. I think that's really the only problem that matters, because if there were more women in CS the environment would have to change
<devyn> cuttle: but it's probably not going to change while they're a minority
<devyn> cuttle: it's definitely a chicken-and-egg problem
<devyn> cuttle: anyway, whitequark does have a point; in the USSR it was pretty different and women got into lots of sciences and maths
<devyn> but that doesn't mean it's the same everywhere
<devyn> the Starbound devs know about big-O notation <3
<devyn> (I should really give game devs more credit)
<devyn> Starbound really is rather fantastic
<devyn> joelteon: working on new blog design. thoughts?
<joelteon> I’m a computer science and linguistics enthusiast.
<devyn> damn it that was showing up on my phone too
<devyn> wtf github
<devyn> I swear it should be utf-8
<joelteon> there's no meta charset
<joelteon> ok, as far as design goes
<joelteon> what is that, monokai?
<devyn> joelteon: yeah, it's monokai. I'll probably do something custom though
<joelteon> the line height in those codeblocks is irritating me
<joelteon> the link color, i don't like
<devyn> I noticed that when I was on Windows... didn't really show up on Linux. I'll set it to 1.1em
<joelteon> i like the rest of the layout
<joelteon> what's the white rectangle above the sidebar for
<joelteon> aesthetics?
<devyn> yeah doesn't do anything
<joelteon> it looks familiar somehow
<devyn> ok, added meta charset and viewport... looks pretty great on my phone, though I think there's a bit too much padding around the edge. will fix that with a media query.
<devyn> joelteon: what do you think about the serif font? I spent a fair bit of time trying to find something thin and book-like
<joelteon> i quite like it. i'm not sure if it fits the design.
<joelteon> as a font, it's great
<devyn> hmmm... I kind of wanted a book or paper-like look... like Palatino
<joelteon> yeah, it looks booky
<devyn> I tend to use Palatino in my LaTeX stuff
<joelteon> i think i'm going to buy a kindle
<devyn> haha
<joelteon> i really want a kindle
<joelteon> how much does a kindle cost
<devyn> they're pretty cheap
<joelteon> yeah but they're trying to make it a tablet and shit
<joelteon> i'm not stupid enough to buy a tablet from amazon
<joelteon> i just want an easy way to read books
<devyn> the regular kindle is $89
<joelteon> that sounds good
<joelteon> oh, $69 actually
<joelteon> where can I physically buy one?
<devyn> no clue
<devyn> but amazon shipping doesn't take long
<joelteon> I think best buy has them
<joelteon> there's a best buy a couple miles away
<joelteon> ooh
<joelteon> 2GB kindle, $50
<joelteon> that is fucking GOOD
<devyn> yeah that is considering 2GB is a lot for just books
<devyn> what are the higher capacity ones for?
<devyn> music?
<joelteon> movies
<joelteon> imagine trying to watch a movie on a kindleu
<joelteon> that is hilarious
<devyn> lol e-ink movie
<purr> lol
<joelteon> ok, plan planned
<joelteon> the question is, when will i use it
<joelteon> that, or i could just read books
<joelteon> that's another way to do it
<devyn> joelteon: re: link color, I actually rather like it. stands out as obviously a link, and it's kind of reminiscent of the default blue
<joelteon> i thought it was the default blue
<joelteon> sec
<devyn> #3333ff :)
<devyn> so not quite
<joelteon> yep looks way out of place to me
<devyn> suggestion?
<joelteon> something closer to whatever blue you'll be using in syntax highlighting
<devyn> ok, sure
<devyn> joelteon: thanks
<joelteon> blue *itself* isn't bad
<joelteon> the problem is that it reminds me of the default color so much that it gives me a gut reaction of
<joelteon> "no attention to detail"
<joelteon> and whenever i see stuff like that on a website
<joelteon> where a graphic is just a little bit off
<devyn> yeah I get that
<joelteon> or you can tell that someone really didn't give a fuck about something
<joelteon> it just has a negative connotation in my brain
<joelteon> i can't STAND inconsistencies
<devyn> same, but then I have a hard time applying that to the stuff I make myself, which is why I ask other people
<devyn> :p
<devyn> joelteon: monokai is growing on me
<joelteon> yeah, it's pretty nice
<devyn> I think the only modification I'll make is to change the Keyword.Type color
<devyn> because it's just way too much of one color in Haskell
<devyn> :p
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<ELLIOTTCABLE__> I really, *really* want to work on Paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE__> I have a problem.
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<vil> hi
<purr> vil: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> testestest
<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil: hi
<vil> if that one didn't do it, I'm not sure it can be done
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hilight me
<vil> ELLIOTTCABLE: yo
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nothing! :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> happiest day!
<vil> oh excellent
<ELLIOTTCABLE> love. my menubar.
<vil> same
<vil> five things, carefully curated
<ELLIOTTCABLE> two and a half
<ELLIOTTCABLE> plus anything dynamic
<vil> and a half?
<vil> oh, bartender is the half?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> battery indicator only shows in the menubar when it's *discharging*. In bartender, all the time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bartender icon is one, clock is two
<vil> which app did you use to pull off the battery thing again?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> built-in battery indicator is in Bartender, so I *always* have it … and invisible iStat Menus indicator, in the menubar itself.
<vil> ah yes, iStat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> current config: https://cloudup.com/cHnwanAQRD3+