devyn changed the topic of #elliottcable to: 22:53:14 <+whitequark> also there was a fragment about Swiss embassy being located on top of a 1000-ft pole, inside which there was a gigantic arms exhibit
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<joelteon>
GOD DAMN IT
<joelteon>
userauth_pubkey: unsupported public key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp521
<joelteon>
FUCK
<joelteon>
WHY
<joelteon>
FUCKING BUTTS
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* whitequark
watches yet another battle for feminism in tech to unfold
<whitequark>
it's weird, realizing that my mother and grandmother were programmers, for a long, long time. the latter worked into her 70's (she is quite stubborn on the topic of retirement), and most of her colleagues were women either.
<whitequark>
so much for young male privilege!
<whitequark>
if you don't actively filter internet, you'd think it consists exclusively of California
<whitequark>
english-language internet, of course.
<vil>
my internet mostly does, practically everyone I follow is in CA
<vil>
or at least, the people who I actively converse with on a regular basis
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<whitequark>
vil: well, duh, and where are you from?
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<vil>
michigan
<whitequark>
isn't that weird? you're living in a tiny california bubble.
<vil>
the people there are infinitely more interesting than the ones here at home
<whitequark>
I find that hard to believe. I see where you'd come from; we have an extreme degree of the same delusion here, sarcastically summarized as "there is no life outside MKAD"
<whitequark>
(MKAD being a road circling Moscow and its metaphorical boundary)
<vil>
I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, with practically no one who knows anything about the outside world
<whitequark>
while it's true that regions aren't extremely exciting, there are sure a lot of interesting people there
<whitequark>
including in small towns in the middle of nowhere, yes.
<vil>
ok, perhaps it would be better to say that no one here shares my interests
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<vil>
so how is everybody in here? seems like I only ever lurk anymore
<whitequark>
lurk as in the channel?
<vil>
yeah
<whitequark>
well, ec deserted
<vil>
so it's been pretty quiet then I assume?
<whitequark>
yeah
<audy>
!seen ec
<audy>
purr seen ec
<audy>
??
<audy>
no seenbot?
<vil>
-seen ec
<vil>
-purr
* purr
<vil>
hi purr
<purr>
vil: hi!
<audy>
hi
<purr>
audy: hi!
<whitequark>
audy: ec is here now
<audy>
well at least purr is here
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE__: ←
<audy>
oh I meant -last
<audy>
-last ELLIOTTCABLE__
<vil>
dammit purr
<audy>
I guess it's time to fork purr
<vil>
lol
<purr>
lol
<vil>
we were going to start on purr 2.0, never happened
<vil>
I have her source, though
<vil>
man there are a lot of people here
<vil>
why
<vil>
31 people in a channel named after a guy who's never even here anymore
<yorick>
he was here yesterday
<vil>
for any length of time though? or just his usual "hi" and then vanish?
<yorick>
he told us about his terrible new year
<vil>
oh no, what happened?
<yorick>
vil: his...girlfriend? got mad at him for no reason and yelled at him in front of their friends and then things escalated
<vil>
ooh. that sucks
<vil>
actually, I'll go check out the scrollback if it hasn't fallen off
<joelteon>
hey, do you guys know how to make mysql complain about invalid conversions
<devyn>
lolmysq l
<purr>
lolmysq
<devyn>
oops hit the spacebar
<joelteon>
ruby throws an UndefinedConversionError
<joelteon>
there must be a way to do it
<joelteon>
:\
<devyn>
log the queries your lib puts out
<devyn>
it's probably a configuration query of some sort
<joelteon>
i'm in the mysql cli
<joelteon>
select convert(_utf8 x'e591a8' using latin1);
<joelteon>
1 row affected, 23.7ms, 0 warnings
<devyn>
oh UndefinedConversionError is something Ruby puts out itself
<joelteon>
well, yeah
<devyn>
so the conversion is happening client side before it gets to the server
<joelteon>
but still, there should be a way to detect it
<devyn>
not always
<devyn>
some systems don't
<devyn>
well
<devyn>
they don't throw an error
<devyn>
instead
<devyn>
they'll put a special unicode char in
<joelteon>
mysql inserts an ascii question mark instead
<devyn>
I forget what it's called but it's basically "invalid" or something
<devyn>
ah ok
<joelteon>
so it's impossible to tell whether i'm getting valid data out or not
<cuttle>
whitequark: early computer science had a lot more women, and also anecdotes ≠ data
<cuttle>
whitequark: there's like 10% or something women right now, isn't that telling?
<devyn>
joelteon: yep probably can't get MySQL to do anything about it
<joelteon>
OMFG
<devyn>
cuttle: for whatever reason, in much of the world, it's not encouraged for women to get into "hard" fields like CS. I think that's really the only problem that matters, because if there were more women in CS the environment would have to change
<devyn>
cuttle: but it's probably not going to change while they're a minority
<devyn>
cuttle: it's definitely a chicken-and-egg problem
<devyn>
cuttle: anyway, whitequark does have a point; in the USSR it was pretty different and women got into lots of sciences and maths
<devyn>
but that doesn't mean it's the same everywhere
<devyn>
the Starbound devs know about big-O notation <3
<devyn>
(I should really give game devs more credit)
<devyn>
Starbound really is rather fantastic
<devyn>
joelteon: working on new blog design. thoughts?
<joelteon>
I’m a computer science and linguistics enthusiast.
<devyn>
damn it that was showing up on my phone too
<devyn>
wtf github
<devyn>
I swear it should be utf-8
<joelteon>
there's no meta charset
<joelteon>
ok, as far as design goes
<joelteon>
what is that, monokai?
<devyn>
joelteon: yeah, it's monokai. I'll probably do something custom though
<joelteon>
the line height in those codeblocks is irritating me
<joelteon>
the link color, i don't like
<devyn>
I noticed that when I was on Windows... didn't really show up on Linux. I'll set it to 1.1em
<joelteon>
i like the rest of the layout
<joelteon>
what's the white rectangle above the sidebar for
<joelteon>
aesthetics?
<devyn>
yeah doesn't do anything
<joelteon>
it looks familiar somehow
<devyn>
ok, added meta charset and viewport... looks pretty great on my phone, though I think there's a bit too much padding around the edge. will fix that with a media query.
<devyn>
joelteon: what do you think about the serif font? I spent a fair bit of time trying to find something thin and book-like
<joelteon>
i quite like it. i'm not sure if it fits the design.
<joelteon>
as a font, it's great
<devyn>
hmmm... I kind of wanted a book or paper-like look... like Palatino
<joelteon>
yeah, it looks booky
<devyn>
I tend to use Palatino in my LaTeX stuff
<joelteon>
i think i'm going to buy a kindle
<devyn>
haha
<joelteon>
i really want a kindle
<joelteon>
how much does a kindle cost
<devyn>
they're pretty cheap
<joelteon>
yeah but they're trying to make it a tablet and shit
<joelteon>
i'm not stupid enough to buy a tablet from amazon
<joelteon>
i just want an easy way to read books
<devyn>
the regular kindle is $89
<joelteon>
that sounds good
<joelteon>
oh, $69 actually
<joelteon>
where can I physically buy one?
<devyn>
no clue
<devyn>
but amazon shipping doesn't take long
<joelteon>
I think best buy has them
<joelteon>
there's a best buy a couple miles away
<joelteon>
ooh
<joelteon>
2GB kindle, $50
<joelteon>
that is fucking GOOD
<devyn>
yeah that is considering 2GB is a lot for just books
<devyn>
what are the higher capacity ones for?
<devyn>
music?
<joelteon>
movies
<joelteon>
imagine trying to watch a movie on a kindleu
<joelteon>
that is hilarious
<devyn>
lol e-ink movie
<purr>
lol
<joelteon>
ok, plan planned
<joelteon>
the question is, when will i use it
<joelteon>
that, or i could just read books
<joelteon>
that's another way to do it
<devyn>
joelteon: re: link color, I actually rather like it. stands out as obviously a link, and it's kind of reminiscent of the default blue
<joelteon>
i thought it was the default blue
<joelteon>
sec
<devyn>
#3333ff :)
<devyn>
so not quite
<joelteon>
yep looks way out of place to me
<devyn>
suggestion?
<joelteon>
something closer to whatever blue you'll be using in syntax highlighting
<devyn>
ok, sure
<devyn>
joelteon: thanks
<joelteon>
blue *itself* isn't bad
<joelteon>
the problem is that it reminds me of the default color so much that it gives me a gut reaction of
<joelteon>
"no attention to detail"
<joelteon>
and whenever i see stuff like that on a website
<joelteon>
where a graphic is just a little bit off
<devyn>
yeah I get that
<joelteon>
or you can tell that someone really didn't give a fuck about something
<joelteon>
it just has a negative connotation in my brain
<joelteon>
i can't STAND inconsistencies
<devyn>
same, but then I have a hard time applying that to the stuff I make myself, which is why I ask other people
<devyn>
:p
<devyn>
joelteon: monokai is growing on me
<joelteon>
yeah, it's pretty nice
<devyn>
I think the only modification I'll make is to change the Keyword.Type color
<devyn>
because it's just way too much of one color in Haskell
<devyn>
:p
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<ELLIOTTCABLE__>
I really, *really* want to work on Paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE__>
I have a problem.
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<vil>
hi
<purr>
vil: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
testestest
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
vil: hi
<vil>
if that one didn't do it, I'm not sure it can be done