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<joelteon> so whitequark will like this
<joelteon> I got the VM test process for our main app down from 66 minutes to 11
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: was thinking perhaps you and I are that?
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: lolol
<purr> lolol
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: micah.yreality plspls?:o
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<eligrey> i just noticed mythbusters is on netflix
<eligrey> anyone want to sync group stream it?
<cuttle> eeh
<cuttle> i can only watch it in the background
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh apparently jekyll has a cool BASE_PATH thing so it works fine with /micah so it's not as urgent
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: not sure which one I want now :p
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: help git sucks
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: lemme know if you still need re-config
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: now the problem is that git hooks fucking suck
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: so it's fucking up my path
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: anyway it'd be cool if you could make it micah.yreality.net
<cuttle> when you can
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: never mind, I am now just using scp, so no more git problems
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: anyway though eayh
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: :3
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE:
<cuttle> alexgordon:
<cuttle> hi
<purr> cuttle: hi!
<alexgordon> cuttle: hi
<alexgordon> bye
<alexgordon> back soon
<cuttle> aw
<cuttle> :p
<alexgordon> cuttle: I want to apply at jane street
<alexgordon> apparently they have the most difficult interviews anywhere
<cuttle> alexgordon: what's that?
<joelteon> what does jane street do
<alexgordon> trading firm
<joelteon> do you make bank there
<alexgordon> serious bank
<cuttle> ha ha
<joelteon> huh
<alexgordon> janestreet.com
<joelteon> yeah, i've often wondered about what it's like to work in finance
<joelteon> because they make absolute buttloads of money
<alexgordon> they're like the only thing keeping ocaml alive
<joelteon> but I dunno whether the stress would be worth it
<joelteon> nyc, london and hong kong
<alexgordon> (brb)
<joelteon> makes sense
<joelteon> i'm not in any of those places
<alexgordon> joelteon: you could be
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> do you know how much you make working there
<joelteon> as a software developer
<alexgordon> joelteon: not sure, presumably a lot
<alexgordon> cuttle: I think I've found my ideal job. http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=oIsbXfw2&c=qSa9VfwQ
<alexgordon> MOTHERFUCKING PARSERS
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<alexgordon> I wonder how much they pay
<alexgordon> damn it's removed. why the hell show it then! -_-
<joelteon> -_-
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hi, all
<prophile> hello elliott
<cuttle> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, prophile, cuttle
<alexgordon> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi prophile, cuttle, alexgordon
<alexgordon> hi ELLIOTTCABLE, prophile, cuttle, joelteon and alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi prophile, cuttle, alexgordon, and purr
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
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<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> so the provision process is down from 66 minutes to
<joelteon> 19
<prophile> valve time^-1
<joelteon> time to speed it up more
<joelteon> i think git clone --depth 1 still takes 5 minutes or more
<joelteon> but i don't know why
<joelteon> man it's good to actually be doing something useful for once
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hiiiii allll
<joelteon> hi
<purr> joelteon: hi!
<joelteon> hi purr how's things
<purr> joelteon: hi!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> joelteon: can you centrally provision from somewhere?
<joelteon> that's not an answer
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i.e. move the git data local to the provisioned machines, and then provision them all from there?
<joelteon> ELLIOTTCABLE: the two longest steps are the git checkout and yum-makecache
<joelteon> well, if I provision a new server, we still have to download the source from somewhere
<joelteon> what I could do is create a release on github
<joelteon> and download the whole thing as a tarfile instead
<ELLIOTTCABLE> git checkout shouldn't take long.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and if it does, there's lots of ways to make it faster.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> these machines only need the *HEAD*, or at least, mostly just that, right?
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> shallow copy
<joelteon> i'll check how long it takes to clone it
<joelteon> 2927 objects to receive
<ELLIOTTCABLE> git clone --depth 10.
<joelteon> reasonable download speed
<ELLIOTTCABLE> or similar.
<joelteon> i'm using --depth 1
<ELLIOTTCABLE> --single-branch?
<joelteon> looks like it should be going a lot faster than five minutes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> watf
<joelteon> hang on
<joelteon> almost done
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how many submodules are there?
<joelteon> it took 42 seconds
<joelteon> no submodules
<ELLIOTTCABLE> the submodules probably aren't depth/single-branch'd
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why --recursive then?
<joelteon> there's no --recursive
<joelteon> when did i say recursive
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, mis-read
<joelteon> >elliott
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what the *fuck* is in your repo, that it takes five minutes to clone a single revision over the local network
<joelteon> it doesn't
<joelteon> a shallow clone is 17.2MB
<joelteon> and takes 42 seconds
<joelteon> but takes SIGNIFICANTLY longer on the test machine
<joelteon> is clone time mostly dependent on network speed or what
<joelteon> oh, hang on
<joelteon> I was cloning master, but vendored is the branch I need
<joelteon> because bundle install with no gems on a 256MB RAM VM takes 36 minutes
<joelteon> bundle package takes that down to about 30 seconds
<joelteon> vendored looks like it might be going pretty slow
<joelteon> vendored is 42MB and takes 124 seconds to clone
<joelteon> the clone on the VM takes waaaaaaay longer
<joelteon> why is taht
<joelteon> need better output
<joelteon> does git clone need significant ram
<joelteon> that clone took 7 minutes
<joelteon> man, even just downloading takes 3m+
<joelteon> clone seems to do better compression than a naive tar and gzip
<prophile> w/w 71
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<cuttle> hi
<purr> cuttle: hi!
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: i do not understand the duck water keyboard rebus
<ELLIOTTCABLE> “duck typing”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (with its feet)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: /srv/http/sites/micah.yreality.net <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but that's boring.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll buy you a domain, if you like.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle-something
<cuttle> ha ha ha duck typing
<cuttle> hmm i will have to think about
<cuttle> what i want
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: http://cut.tl
<cuttle> lol cuttlebone.com is squatted
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> available. want it?
<cuttle> hmmm i like it
<cuttle> hmmmmmmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cut.tl/micah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> imo
<ELLIOTTCABLE> always want to have your *name* in your domain / urls, somewhere
<cuttle> haha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ne is dead
<cuttle> hm hm hm
<cuttle> i should have ti be
<cuttle> cut.tl/e
<cuttle> haha
<cuttle> sweet let's do it
<cuttle> thxthxthx <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh, zerigo is so insecure
<ELLIOTTCABLE> at least there's no password restrictions
<cuttle> is it like bulk domains
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh I thought that was going to be the old soviet one
<alexgordon> erm
<alexgordon> cuttle
<cuttle> alexgordon:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no, zerigo is my DNS service
<cuttle> alexgordon: oh haha wow
<alexgordon> what's that crazy russian language again?
<alexgordon> I always forget -_-
<ELLIOTTCABLE> which one. LOL.
<purr> LOL
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: the crazy one
<joelteon> man there's no fucking git 1.8 rpm ANYWHERE
<joelteon> FUCK
<cuttle> alexgordon: programming or real life?
<alexgordon> cuttle: lol russian the language is crazy
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> cuttle: programming
<cuttle> alexgordon: rebol?
<cuttle> not rebol
<cuttle> alexgordon: refal?
<alexgordon> cuttle: yeah refal
<alexgordon> or something like that
<alexgordon> yeah refal it is
<alexgordon> JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
<alexgordon> someone submit that to HN
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why
<cuttle> it's actually:
<cuttle> not that crafzy
<cuttle> really interesting
<alexgordon> the website is crazy
<cuttle> also i believe the wikipedia page was submitted to hn once
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: cut.tl is bought, and the DNS is propagating. Try in ~48 hours. it's a slow TLD.
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: :3 thxthxthx
<ELLIOTTCABLE> <3
<cuttle> the country it's from is 134th on the HDI
<cuttle> though 6th fastest growing GDP in 2013
<alexgordon> tl?
<cuttle> yeah
<cuttle> east timor
<alexgordon> oh east timor
<cuttle> or, timor leste
<alexgordon> well it's a new country
<alexgordon> so cut them some slack cuttle
<cuttle> yeah they were fighting for indepenence from indonesia for a while
<cuttle> :p
<vil> hi guys
<alexgordon> hi mr evans
<vil> oh sweet url cuttle
<cuttle> thx
<vil> I really need to get on finding a good one
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: CAN I HAVE ONE TOO?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no.
<alexgordon> :(
<vil> because some day I might have free time again
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're not working with me on things.
<alexgordon> pleaaaaaaaaaase
<alexgordon> cuttle: so I'm making a big database of piano solos
<alexgordon> like a scrapbook :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've decided that the relevant part of your name is lexgor.
<cuttle> alexgordon: haha sweet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lexgor.io?
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, nah, that's 49$, I don't care *that* much about youy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but seriously, /nick lexgor
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's such an excellent name.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> 'lexgor
<ELLIOTTCABLE> need an apostrophe
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's foreshortened
<lexgor> can you do that?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 'sup, 'lexgor?
* ELLIOTTCABLE laughs
<lexgor> no
<lexgor> it sounds like gore tex
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gorlex?
<lexgor> that sounds like my name but drunk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ARREX GORLEX!!KJ@
<ELLIOTTCABLE> HOW RERR UEW
<lexgor> either that or no teeth
<ELLIOTTCABLE> kexgor
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think your name should be kexgor.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it sounds cool.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> also, it's available on Twitter. ;)
<lexgor> ELLIOTTCABLE: how about
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol.
<purr> lol
<algor> it does sound a bit like al gore
<algor> but on the other hand, algorithms baby
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<cuttle> i don't know how the myth that diet soda is bad for you gained so much traction
<cuttle> because there's basically zero amounts of evidence for it ever at all
<alexgordon> cuttle: erm, isn't it full of sugar?
<cuttle> alexgordon: um no, that's why it's called *diet* soda
<cuttle> usually has 0-10 calories a bottle
<alexgordon> cuttle: I thought diet coke had sugar in it, coke zero has very little
<cuttle> no, diet coke has 0 calories
<alexgordon> how many calories are in it anyway?
<alexgordon> errr
<cuttle> diet coke and coke zero both have 0 calories, they're just different flavors
<cuttle> coke zero tastes as similar to normal coke as possible while having no sugar
<cuttle> whereas diet coke is a distinct flavor that a lot of people prefer
<alexgordon> oh I see
<cuttle> but yeah basically all people have to say about how it's bad is:
<cuttle> aspartame causes cancer in rats in one incredibly shitty study one time
<cuttle> overweight people drink more diet soda, so obviously it caused their overweightness
<alexgordon> then it's probably ok, except that I don't think there's much evidence about the effect of sweetners on the body to say either way
* cuttle nods
<alexgordon> does it affect your blood sugar at all?
<alexgordon> or any other processes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> `dig cut.tl @a.ns.elliottcable.name`
<ELLIOTTCABLE> still won't be available on the open web
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but hey, it's there
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: got an instagram or anything?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> copying the configuration I use for chelsea and I
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: never got around to getting one
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so it's got cut.tl/twitter and cut.tl/facebook
<cuttle> oh cool
<cuttle> maybe not facebook
<cuttle> alexgordon: i think there's no solid evidence on anything like that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> droplr or anything for uploading screenshots?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: I thought the diet sodas used aspartame, which is Bad For You™.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> even Splenda is suspect.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hence why stevia.
<joelteon> ELLIOTTCABLE: i found out why
<ELLIOTTCABLE> this is all things I was told by my father, so I trust them. ;)
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: the evidence that asparatame is bad for you is like nonexistent
<joelteon> git 1.8's clone algorithm is orderns of magnitude faster than 1.7's
<cuttle> like, one study on rats one time
<joelteon> 1.7 fetches 40,000 objects
<joelteon> 1.8 fetches 5000
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I love DC w/ splenda
<ELLIOTTCABLE> sooooo delicious
<cuttle> the problem with splenda is
<cuttle> sugar packets taste good by themselves
<cuttle> but splenda does not
<cuttle> it tastes like laundry detergent smells
<cuttle> :p
<cuttle> i actually don't really like soda at all really
<cuttle> but i'm drinking it more now because we can easily get large quantities of it with our meal plans and my roommate is a fan of diet coke
<cuttle> :p
<joelteon> ELLIOTTCABLE: what should i do
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what day is today D:
<joelteon> tuesday
<joelteon> do you not know
<ELLIOTTCABLE> do I *look* like I know things
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I don't know *any* of the things
<cuttle> oh god i need to do things
<cuttle> calc midterm tomorrow
<cuttle> physics midterm friday
<cuttle> make a website for my uncle
<cuttle> do laundry
<cuttle> go running this evening
<cuttle> make hip hop beats
<cuttle> write blog posts
<cuttle> practice drawing
<joelteon> i hate running
<cuttle> <3 running
<purr> Let it be known that cuttle hearts running.
<joelteon> if i had some gyakosou lunaspiders i would consider it
<joelteon> lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> the problem might be that git clones at 33kb/s
<cuttle> joelteon: what is special about gyakosou lunarspiders?
<joelteon> it's in one of those /fa/ memes about running
<cuttle> i don't know /fa/
<joelteon> heh
<joelteon> i'll see if I can find it
<joelteon> but i doubt it
<cuttle> <3 the national
<purr> Let it be known that cuttle hearts the national.
<alexgordon> cuttle: iirc the problem with sugar substitutions is that they prime your body for sugar which never actually arrives
<alexgordon> and nobody really knows if that's bad for you in the long term
<cuttle> alexgordon: well i mean what evidence do we have for that? do we have data about like insulin levels and stuff?
<alexgordon> cuttle: not sure, I'm not an expert
<cuttle> aight
<alexgordon> obviously sugar substitutes excite your sweet tastebuds
<alexgordon> which sends a signal to your brain
<cuttle> yeah but i mean how significant is that
<cuttle> like do we have evidence that your metabolism is specifically triggered by taste buds?
<cuttle> rather than say
<cuttle> the presence of things in your stomach
<cuttle> or
<cuttle> presence of actual sugar in your bloodstream
<cuttle> etc.
<cuttle> like
<cuttle> you can't just state that without lots of quantitative evidence
<alexgordon> cuttle: I half-remember an experiment in a documentary a few years ago (E numbers an edible adventure) which was a blind test
<cuttle> ok
<alexgordon> cuttle: some people ate sugar-sweetened, some ate artificially sweetened, and iirc the people eating the artificially sweetened food ate more, even though they didn't know which was which
<cuttle> ok hm
<cuttle> artificially sweetened *does* taste different, so it could be as simple as that
<cuttle> i don't even know
* cuttle will continue to drink diet soda because of its much lower calorie count :p
<alexgordon> cuttle: yeah you'd have to ask people which they thought was which
<cuttle> mhm
<alexgordon> then get equal numbers of right/wrong
<alexgordon> though actually, I'm not sure if that was actually the experiment
<alexgordon> maybe it was they got people to drink sugar soda vs artificially sweetened soda
<alexgordon> THEN to eat
<alexgordon> (normal sugary food)
<alexgordon> then the people who drank the zero-calorie soda ate more sugary food to compensate
<alexgordon> that would make more sense as an experiment
<alexgordon> cuttle: if that was it, then the point is that even if you drink artificially sweetened soda, it may be no better for you, since you'll just dose up on more sugar later
* ELLIOTTCABLE @JoshHelfferich: Okay, so remember t.A.T.u.? Their lead singer went solo, and I just cut her latest video: http://t.co/Kk7BB9KpVx
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why the fuck does it do that
* ELLIOTTCABLE test
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ahhhhhh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cool
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<cuttle> alexgordon: yeah that's interesting
<cuttle> alexgordon: i read stuff about studies that said people eat more to compensate, but they were just like big ol reviews of statistics, so like the people who ate more sugary food were the ones who drank diet soda, but that very well could be the opposite causation, like they do recognize they are unhealthy so they drink specifically diet to take a step to fix
<cuttle> it
<cuttle> et.c
<cuttle> like
<cuttle> statistics r hard
<cuttle> :p
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: my voice has way improved since the last time i uploaded me singing something here
<cuttle> i want to put up some acoustic guitar covers on youtube
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