<alexgordon>
cloudhead: so what do you do now, if not programming?
<cloudhead>
ohh
<cloudhead>
very cool!
<cloudhead>
thanks
<cloudhead>
alexgordon: I'm going to become an intellectual
<alexgordon>
hahaha
<alexgordon>
alright
<alexgordon>
that's one occupation
<cloudhead>
:D
<cloudhead>
well, I haven't quite made my mind up.. I'd like to do more art & writing
<cloudhead>
I don't know what exactly yet
<cloudhead>
I need a break first
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cloudhead: Can I come be your roommate, and just watch you be intellectual?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I feel like intellectual-watching is my calling in life.
<cloudhead>
just left my job
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Call this room a trial period.
<cloudhead>
ELLIOTTCABLE: that'd be awesome
<cloudhead>
haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but really. I miss programming. So very much.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: I want to hire you as my CEO.
<cloudhead>
hmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: just tell me what to do every day.
<cloudhead>
I think your relationship with programming is in a better state than mine
* ELLIOTTCABLE
nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
maybe just *behind* yours.
<alexgordon>
cloudhead: all you need now is a tiffany lamp
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm just now starting to handle CoffeeScript, for instance.
<cloudhead>
haha
<cloudhead>
ah coffeescript
<cloudhead>
I've spent more time trying to get rid of it, than writing it
<alexgordon>
you can be intellectual, while ELLIOTTCABLE does all the hard work, then you can take credit for it
<alexgordon>
wait this seems backwards
<cloudhead>
yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I hate CoffeeScript.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
But I want an *understandable* Paws.
<cloudhead>
hm
<alexgordon>
I love coffeescript
<alexgordon>
compared to javascript
<cloudhead>
then why javascript?
<cloudhead>
why not C or Go
<alexgordon>
I wish coffeescript had static typing, then it would be perfect
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh, I hate Go.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it needs to be JavaScript.
<cloudhead>
hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Paws is intended to be a web language.
<cloudhead>
javascript is aweful though
<cloudhead>
ah ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nah, I still love JS.
<cloudhead>
then you don't have much choice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Quite a bit. Despite all the failings.
<cloudhead>
yea I like it too, but in a kind of S&M way
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also, I *can't* write Normal Person JavaScript.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Normal Person JavaScript is only *mildly* less revolting to me, than Normal Person ISO C or C++.
<cloudhead>
lol
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whereas Normal Person CoffeeScript is still at least *vaguely* stomachs-able to me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
So. If I *have* to write Normal Person Code for this implementation (which I do. I've told myself this, over and over.), then CoffeeScript is the best “meeting point” between Elliott-code and the rest of the world. /=
<cloudhead>
the idea of JS as "byte-code" is revolting to me
<cloudhead>
that's my issue with CS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
agreed.
<cloudhead>
not the language itself really
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
agreed, agreeed agreeeeeeed.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, there's plenty wrong with the CS syntax, too.
<cloudhead>
sure, but it's not bad
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
`foo (bar) ->` meaning something different from `foo(bar) ->`, anybody?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah. we're very much on the same page.
<cloudhead>
yea >,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I just have enough Good Reasons to get over it.
<cloudhead>
yea
<cloudhead>
I guess I've chosen to also distance myself from anything web-related since a bit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I Fucking Hate translated-to languages. CoffeeScript, ClojureScript, protobufs, anything like that. Generated code is one of the evilest evils of all evils.
<cloudhead>
yes
<cloudhead>
that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh well.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you. you, should come back to programming, and help me make Paws. You're the only person I remotely agree with about anything, except maybe micah.
<cloudhead>
hmm
<cloudhead>
but the web sucks
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Let's make it suck less.
<cloudhead>
anything built on it is going to be flawed
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I think anything that matters is going to be built on it.
<cloudhead>
that's true to a certain extent
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
And anything built on *anything* is going to be flawed, because computers are inherently flaw.
<cloudhead>
but it's unfortunate
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
flawed*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
So, given anything built on the web is going to be flawed (to an extent), and anything important has to be built on the web (to an extent), what can we do?
<cloudhead>
yea, but but piling layers of crap doesn't help
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A) walk away. B) replace the web. C) improve the ability to build on the web.
<cloudhead>
hmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A's feasible. I see where you're coming from. A lot of my smartest friends have taken that route. (cf. @bluebie).
<cloudhead>
mhm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
B's not. Not if you're you and I, not some huge corporation.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
C's the only route for me, because I still want to do things that matter.
<cloudhead>
right
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway, bbl. showerin'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GitHub drinkup tonight, and other social obligations until then.
<cloudhead>
ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hearts 'n kisses. come around more often <3