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<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi elliott's girlfriend
<ELLIOTTCABLE> trying Don't Starve for the first time. wish me luck.
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<Nuck> I know we had a Wayland guy in here somewhere, right?
<Nuck> Cause I'm doing lots of Linux desktop shit right now and I'm looking forward and fearing Wayland
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<purr> <purr> elliottcable: you is loved by no one :(
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<purr> <sullytaylor> I just spent three minuits looking for somthing, then I realised it was in my mouth
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<joelteon> websites that only work in one browser are the most pathetic thing in existence
<gkatsev> `~.
<gkatsev> oops
<joelteon> .~
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Don
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 't starve.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> is amazing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> .~`
<alexgordon> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<alexgordon> is this elliott?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yes?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no.
<alexgordon> -_-
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: MATH PILES
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you put math
<ELLIOTTCABLE> on your butt
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and spread it around
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it truly helps, I know
<alexgordon> doesn't *sound* like elliott
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: DESCRIBE THE AXIOMS OF A VECTOR SPACE
<dskuza> ELLIOTTCABLE: are…are you playing video games?
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<joelteon> have you guys used docker before?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no
<joelteon> it's neat
<ELLIOTTCABLE> multiplyable, addable, and identity, iirc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> as well as two or more valid numbers?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what'm i forgetting?
<purr> <locks> so what you're saying is you're as mad as elliottcable.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> did anybody ever figure out why locks hates me?
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: he hates everyone
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: he insults me nearly every day
<alexgordon> that's just locks
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but I miss him and his insults )'=
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bbl shower and logan square
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: remember, vectors are sluts.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat?
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: vectors
<alexgordon> they are sluts
<cuttlebone> hi
<purr> cuttlebone: hi!
<cuttlebone> -find vectors sluts
<purr> cuttlebone: Could not find `vectors sluts`.
<cuttlebone> how to search whats
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE:
<cuttlebone> alexgordon:
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah multiplyable by scalars, addable to each other, and has identities of both
<cuttlebone> according to what i just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_space#Definition
<alexgordon> cuttlebone: don't forget distributivity!
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: <+locks> alexgordon: I don't give a shit about that assmonkey
<cuttlebone> alexgordon: well yeah there are more properties of each, like associativity and commutativity and distributivity
<alexgordon> awwww, he likes you
<alexgordon> well distributivity is a property of both
* cuttlebone nods
<alexgordon> I AM MATHMAN
* cuttlebone needs to take linear algebra
<cuttlebone> I think it's next semester
<cuttlebone> alexgordon: help me design a tiny DSL in javascript that is slightly like css selectors or list comprehensions
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> ...jquery?
<cuttlebone> lol no
<cuttlebone> so it's for a tiny game library
<cuttlebone> so basically, you have a game state
<cuttlebone> with a collection of entities
<cuttlebone> which are emphatically not objects with methods and shit
<cuttlebone> they're *just* data
<cuttlebone> and they have tags on them, like css ids and classes
<cuttlebone> so then you also have a bundle of interactions
<cuttlebone> and each describes which entities it deals with
<cuttlebone> and gets handed them
<cuttlebone> like a list comprehension
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, all
<alexgordon> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<cloudhead> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> HIIIII
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: Where do you live now, again? Anywhere in the continental Americas?
<cloudhead> ELLIOTTCABLE: no
<ELLIOTTCABLE> aw
<cloudhead> Berlin, for the last 2 years
<cloudhead> america is not the place for me
<alexgordon> CLOUDHEAD!
<cloudhead> sup :D
<alexgordon> cloudhead: how is berlin? I want to move there...
* cloudhead is drinking an old fashioned & listening to bill evans
<cloudhead> really?
<cloudhead> it's great
<cloudhead> don't really want to move ;p
<alexgordon> I went there last year, 'twas nice
<cloudhead> nice
<cloudhead> I need to learn german at some point though
<alexgordon> *or polish
<cloudhead> well, I'm starting now to be more serious about it
<cloudhead> hehe
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> yeah it seems like most people speak english, but lots of people don't
<cloudhead> yea, depends on the areas
<alexgordon> unlike say sweden where everybody speaks english
<cloudhead> but it's more to be part of the culture
<cloudhead> yea, true
<alexgordon> better than france though :P
<cloudhead> swedes are always excellent at english
<cloudhead> there are many here
<dskuza> who said polish
<cloudhead> especially in the tech scene
<alexgordon> dskuza: lots of polish people in berlin, unsurprisingly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I miss you cloudhead
<ELLIOTTCABLE> have you been dev'ing? busy with work, or what?
<alexgordon> not as many as in london though ;)
<cloudhead> ELLIOTTCABLE: yea, but I quit everything recently
<ELLIOTTCABLE> quit everything?
<dskuza> alexgordon: then i should visit and just talk non-stop and get drunk
<ELLIOTTCABLE> so, now you're gonna write a Paws, right?
<cloudhead> I left my job, and I left programming
<cloudhead> nah
<cloudhead> the only conceivable thing I might do which involves writing code is a game
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you left programming!?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> saddestface.
<alexgordon> dskuza: sure, the beer is cheap!
<cloudhead> it's isolating me too much from life
<cloudhead> can't have it that way
<alexgordon> what is life, but a never ending chemical reaction consuming our bodies?
<cloudhead> -,_
<cloudhead> -,-
<ELLIOTTCABLE> other way around.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I can't escape my Real Life. I have no time for programming.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I want to quit *life*, for programming.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ಠ_ಠ
<cloudhead> haha
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: does your mother not have a basement you can use?
<cloudhead> anyway, the only project I'm still working on sometimes is a sprite editor
<alexgordon> god dammit this code is so buggy
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Nope, just signed a 10-month lease on a very not-basement flat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> /=
<alexgordon> THANKS FOR NOTHING JEANNICOLAS
<cloudhead> cause that was the first problem I ran into when starting a game
<ELLIOTTCABLE> GOD DAMNIT JEANNICOLAS
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: I linked something in here the other day that you may find interesting
<alexgordon> and got to ship tomorrow
<alexgordon> cloudhead: so what do you do now, if not programming?
<cloudhead> ohh
<cloudhead> very cool!
<cloudhead> thanks
<cloudhead> alexgordon: I'm going to become an intellectual
<alexgordon> hahaha
<alexgordon> alright
<alexgordon> that's one occupation
<cloudhead> :D
<cloudhead> well, I haven't quite made my mind up.. I'd like to do more art & writing
<cloudhead> I don't know what exactly yet
<cloudhead> I need a break first
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cloudhead: Can I come be your roommate, and just watch you be intellectual?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I feel like intellectual-watching is my calling in life.
<cloudhead> just left my job
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Call this room a trial period.
<cloudhead> ELLIOTTCABLE: that'd be awesome
<cloudhead> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> but really. I miss programming. So very much.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: I want to hire you as my CEO.
<cloudhead> hmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: just tell me what to do every day.
<cloudhead> I think your relationship with programming is in a better state than mine
* ELLIOTTCABLE nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE> maybe just *behind* yours.
<alexgordon> cloudhead: all you need now is a tiffany lamp
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm just now starting to handle CoffeeScript, for instance.
<cloudhead> haha
<cloudhead> ah coffeescript
<cloudhead> I've spent more time trying to get rid of it, than writing it
<alexgordon> you can be intellectual, while ELLIOTTCABLE does all the hard work, then you can take credit for it
<alexgordon> wait this seems backwards
<cloudhead> yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I hate CoffeeScript.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> But I want an *understandable* Paws.
<cloudhead> hm
<alexgordon> I love coffeescript
<alexgordon> compared to javascript
<cloudhead> then why javascript?
<cloudhead> why not C or Go
<alexgordon> I wish coffeescript had static typing, then it would be perfect
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh, I hate Go.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it needs to be JavaScript.
<cloudhead> hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Paws is intended to be a web language.
<cloudhead> javascript is aweful though
<cloudhead> ah ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nah, I still love JS.
<cloudhead> then you don't have much choice
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Quite a bit. Despite all the failings.
<cloudhead> yea I like it too, but in a kind of S&M way
<ELLIOTTCABLE> also, I *can't* write Normal Person JavaScript.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Normal Person JavaScript is only *mildly* less revolting to me, than Normal Person ISO C or C++.
<cloudhead> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whereas Normal Person CoffeeScript is still at least *vaguely* stomachs-able to me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> So. If I *have* to write Normal Person Code for this implementation (which I do. I've told myself this, over and over.), then CoffeeScript is the best “meeting point” between Elliott-code and the rest of the world. /=
<cloudhead> the idea of JS as "byte-code" is revolting to me
<cloudhead> that's my issue with CS
<ELLIOTTCABLE> agreed.
<cloudhead> not the language itself really
<ELLIOTTCABLE> agreed, agreeed agreeeeeeed.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh, there's plenty wrong with the CS syntax, too.
<cloudhead> sure, but it's not bad
<ELLIOTTCABLE> `foo (bar) ->` meaning something different from `foo(bar) ->`, anybody?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anyway.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah. we're very much on the same page.
<cloudhead> yea >,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I just have enough Good Reasons to get over it.
<cloudhead> yea
<cloudhead> I guess I've chosen to also distance myself from anything web-related since a bit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I Fucking Hate translated-to languages. CoffeeScript, ClojureScript, protobufs, anything like that. Generated code is one of the evilest evils of all evils.
<cloudhead> yes
<cloudhead> that
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh well.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you. you, should come back to programming, and help me make Paws. You're the only person I remotely agree with about anything, except maybe micah.
<cloudhead> hmm
<cloudhead> but the web sucks
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Let's make it suck less.
<cloudhead> anything built on it is going to be flawed
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I think anything that matters is going to be built on it.
<cloudhead> that's true to a certain extent
<ELLIOTTCABLE> And anything built on *anything* is going to be flawed, because computers are inherently flaw.
<cloudhead> but it's unfortunate
<ELLIOTTCABLE> flawed*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> So, given anything built on the web is going to be flawed (to an extent), and anything important has to be built on the web (to an extent), what can we do?
<cloudhead> yea, but but piling layers of crap doesn't help
<ELLIOTTCABLE> A) walk away. B) replace the web. C) improve the ability to build on the web.
<cloudhead> hmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> A's feasible. I see where you're coming from. A lot of my smartest friends have taken that route. (cf. @bluebie).
<cloudhead> mhm
<ELLIOTTCABLE> B's not. Not if you're you and I, not some huge corporation.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> C's the only route for me, because I still want to do things that matter.
<cloudhead> right
<ELLIOTTCABLE> anyway, bbl. showerin'
<ELLIOTTCABLE> GitHub drinkup tonight, and other social obligations until then.
<cloudhead> ok
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hearts 'n kisses. come around more often <3
<cloudhead> :)
<cloudhead> <3
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<joelteon> this is problematic
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<purr> <elliottcable> I'm perfectly safe inside my fish, thankyouverymuch
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