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<focus_it> keebler: I'm back in office
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<keebler> So far, no Lapdock. :( Shipper put the wrong Zipcode.
<keebler> And, focus_it The AD7125 are on backorder from Analog Devices until 9.30.2013
<focus_it> keebler: bad
<keebler> I was trying to build them without having to pay $8 Per chip.
<keebler> Analog Devices ARE sending me the chips UPS Overnight though.
<keebler> Because of the issue.
<focus_it> keebler: i got 3 chips. I solder 2 tomorrow and let you know how it went
<focus_it> thats good!
<keebler> Yeah, so I should get them on 10.1
<keebler> Do you happen to have a BOM of the exact components you bought?
<keebler> I think I ordered all the right ones, but I composed it out of looking at the schematics.
<focus_it> i didn't pay attention to bom - i got some components in stock and some on order
<keebler> Looks like 0603 for most, as well as a few 1206
<focus_it> and i was going to mix and match items like capacitors for best effect
<keebler> Also, did you use the SOIC16 74LS08?
<focus_it> normally i build it first and then make up mind about which components go into bom
<focus_it> soic16 yes
<keebler> okay good! hahha
<keebler> I was worried. :)
<keebler> Hopefully the PCBs arrive soon.
<focus_it> cheaper to build first and then make up bom - long time ago it had to be prototyped first and then pcb
<focus_it> pcb should arrive wed next week - if not let me know
<keebler> Okay. :)
<keebler> I get to meet Dale Daughtery of Makezine on Monday
<keebler> for two hours.
<focus_it> wow
<keebler> Demo-ing the MEB and EOMA
<focus_it> fantastic
<keebler> :))
<keebler> Wish I had my A20-SOMs, :(
<focus_it> 20 seconds to boot as you know but it as fast as any 2GHz pc
<focus_it> and feels faster than netbook
<keebler> lol
<keebler> Yeah
<keebler> I'm pretty happy with it.
<focus_it> i been ordered to build the soms
<focus_it> asap
<focus_it> what need doing?
<keebler> I was HOPING to have my Lapdock this weekend so I could have had something portable to show Dale.
<keebler> focus_it: On the SoM?
<focus_it> just get a stata docking bay with usb + mmc and you got yourself accidental pc
<focus_it> ordered to build som
<keebler> If you need some SoMs quickly, I can get a few hundred.
<focus_it> i mean design test, build the universal som we discuss
<keebler> How soon do you need them?
<focus_it> asap
<keebler> Let me check with my contact.
<focus_it> by christmas may be
<keebler> Oh, I was thinking by October.
<keebler> :P
<keebler> How many do you need?
<focus_it> we make new products and i need them to be the basic building block of the new product
<focus_it> but it has to be kicad and open so that we don't run into supply trouble
<keebler> Well, it's just the A20 + 1GB DDR2 + 4GB NAND(I'm getting quotes for 32GB), and RTL8201P
<focus_it> i can take time out to cooperate with anyone to get this thing done
<focus_it> and AXP209?
<keebler> Yes
<focus_it> why RTLxx?
<focus_it> you planning putting the ethernet magnetic on the board?
<focus_it> actually you be right rtl needs a lot of wires - while its output is just a couple of wires - better to put it on board
<keebler> yeah.
<focus_it> ok agreed
<focus_it> how about the cooperation - who be interested?
<focus_it> and the kicad cooperation ?
<keebler> Well, what about converting Altium drawings to KiCAD?
<focus_it> yes i can do that - if schematic available
<focus_it> just send me pdf
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<focus_it> because its open sourced, everyone can use it
<focus_it> save time and money!
<focus_it> :)
<keebler> I can TRY to get the schematics, however, I was under the impression they wanted to keep the SoM itself "closed", but make everything else around it, open.
<focus_it> yuk - back to luke scenario - i get shot down if i do that again
<keebler> They are providing me with the schematics for the Dev Board.
<keebler> And will release it opensource.
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<focus_it> originally i thought luke was open source board, then it went wits and closed, and that had us in two minds
<keebler> Yeah, we're in the same boat.
<focus_it> but it was worth it to help as he said he intends to open source later
<keebler> We initially signed on to the initiative because of a misunderstanding that the EOMA68-A10 was to be open.
<keebler> That said, I still think it's a worthwhile endeavor
<focus_it> ok - the best plan is i finish helping luke then i help dr. ajith and then i make another uiversal som with redundant 200pin SODIMM and FPC so that it can be used with or without mboard
<focus_it> that is what my company wants and this way of helping each project is probably the quickest for me
<keebler> Right.
<focus_it> as I get experience on the way
<focus_it> dr ajith board has a couple of footprint mistakes, but no problem just remake and move on
<keebler> I'm also partnering up with AW-SoM.
<focus_it> and if that works, i cut it down and make the 'univeral A20 som board' for everybody to use :)
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<focus_it> ok may be they help us or they take some good bits from us like software and give something back - we all win
<keebler> Mainly because for now, I did not want to handle the design work of building a SoM.
<keebler> Well, we could use their manufacturing vendors.
<focus_it> dr. ajith took 3 to 4 months with my help
<focus_it> that would be good - they can productionize this 100% open som board and that benefit us both
<focus_it> i don't have to spend $ making board and they don't have to spend $ desinging board
<keebler> I would have to ask them about that...because it would be a conflict of interest for their business model.
<focus_it> yeah propietary - always crap that gets in the way
<focus_it> i hate proprietary
<focus_it> not personally
<focus_it> but how it destroy projects and cooperation
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<focus_it> but any way i am steam roling ahed with universal som - if anyone wants in - so much the better
<focus_it> (after i help luk an ajith)
<keebler> Well, their entire business hinges on the SOM being adopted commercially, and being one of the only companies that can produce it with cheapness and efficiency. :) I definitely want in. :P
<focus_it> that is good - but like cubie, they don't need ownership of drawings to find success - but its hard to explain that to management set in their ways
<keebler> My business model is based around the idea of bringing designers and engineers together to make products and then bring those products to market.
<focus_it> luckily i don't money or payment
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<focus_it> my model is get it working - build product and sell product which other people can't readily make and charge for the priviledge
<keebler> Aye.
<focus_it> so making the board open means nothing - the customers are always going to be the person who want product
<keebler> That is basically the same premise, just worded differently. :)
<focus_it> if someone make duplicate product, cutomer rarely buy from unknowns
<focus_it> they only buy from competitor if they not satisfied with you
<keebler> First To Market is key in that scenario though.... That said, you have the segmentation caused by Rikomagic and Allwinner.
<focus_it> but i keep on improving and moving to next model every day and that what get me customer
<focus_it> riko rubbish with open source - so i go with allwinner
<keebler> Agreed
<focus_it> if i get enough $ i buy arm license and make available a big soc for everyone
<keebler> David wants Allwinner or similar SoC vendor to integrate the DDR + NAND.
<keebler> I agreed with that idea. :)
<focus_it> anway we don't plan selling soc - we plan to be user of soc that we make our own
<focus_it> so no fear for cubie or luke or your partern! :)
<keebler> Hah, yeah.
<focus_it> ok i must go home for now - i log on later as focus_it
<focus_it> bye for now
<keebler> chao
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