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<crazedpsyc>
so, how far along are these devices? i.e. is it sane to order something for a production machine as a software developer, with fairly minimal sub-PCB hardware experience? I'd really like to build an ARM laptop, but when I say "build" I mean "design a body and put together"
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<keebler>
crazedpsyc: Depends on what you're looking to do. The EOMA68 seems to be stable enough, I've had mine running non-stop for the last 2 weeks.
<keebler>
crazedpsyc: I'm building a cradle for the EOMA68 to allow it to plug into a Motorola Lapdock. My Lapdoc 500 Pro arrives tomorrow.
<keebler>
Been awake for 36 hours though... grammar failing
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<crazedpsyc>
keebler: hah, I know the feeling
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<crazedpsyc>
my goal is for a thin client sort of laptop
<crazedpsyc>
the lapdock is a phone dock, right? so you just add the EOMA68 and make it a computer, basically?
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<qingluo>
i found that linaro desktop environment's cann't full screen by config file . and it will crash if i use lxterminal --geometry=1280x720 or any resolution
<focus>
qingluo: I will check this evening, any other problems to check?
<qingluo>
focus:not yet. thank you any way
<focus>
k
<focus>
ok
<focus>
quingluo: it might be permissions to rm ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf - temporarily change it to 777, change the resolution and see if it works
<focus>
sorry don't do rm! the file is ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf
<arokux>
focus, why do you document these differences? those were the errors anyway.
<arokux>
focus, I've improved our wiki page accordingly.
<focus>
arokux: to show history and use as training material later - its just my way of working - log everything and ask questions later :)
<qingluo>
focus: i will try
<focus>
thanx arokux
<arokux>
focus, I see, but as said, those were errors. sunxi-3.0 is an old unmaintained kernel and sun4i_defconfig is for A10, not A20. just letting you know...
<focus>
ah! that bit i did not know
<focus>
the documentation at linux-sunxi need to change otherwise others fall into same trap
<arokux>
focus, that is what I were trying to tell you. there are lots of people messing around with sunxi-3.4, so you get your answers and some job done by them :p
<focus>
I'm very impressed by sunxi - I asked for only 3 items before linaro was up and running on EOMA68
<focus>
must be hundreds of engineers doing the work
<panda84kde>
arokux: Is there any equivalent of the upstream-merged device tree files in sunxi-3.4 branch?
<panda84kde>
in other words: if I want to build a kernel for Olinuxino A20 is selecting the right defconfig enough (regarding the kernel)
<panda84kde>
?
<qingluo>
focus: the X window crash still after i chmod 777 ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf
<arokux>
panda84kde, defconfig is just a set of some sane settings. same goes for the mainline
<qingluo>
focus: sorry, it's my fault. i set its size too large
<arokux>
panda84kde, so you'd like a more custom config for your board i.e. ethernet buit-in and not as a module, for example.
<arokux>
panda84kde, but defconfig is a good start
<keebler>
crazedpsyc: Keep an eye out in the next few months, and you'll have your Thinclient. ;)
<keebler>
focus, when I get into the office, I'll message you. Wanted to go over some ideas.
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<focus>
keebler: ok - send the 10 x boards today - will be with you some time next week (5 working days)
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<arokux>
focus, why do you want the sources of linaro?
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<focus>
gpl compliance requires it if i start distributing uSD card images
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<arokux>
focus, why not distribute the kernel and u-boot images only and a script that adds a rootfs to it?
<arokux>
(plz ping me, if answering)
<arokux>
focus, but maybe I just do not know your target audience
<focus>
arokux: we make gadgets that measure electric power. Typically they sell for 10 to 20 years. We need circuit diagrams and source code for everything
<arokux>
focus, understood. next question: do you actually want to build linaro stuff from source or you just want to have sources it was built from?
<focus>
ideally both - just in case - but happy with sources and prebuilt because I really don't want to spend days compiling!!!
<focus>
arokux: I may do just the one compile to prove to boss that we are safe but not do it afterwards
<arokux>
focus, I see. you may need a lot of know-how to build a distro from its source packages.
<focus>
arokux: in that case i settle for the sources for linaro-raring-alip-20130826-474 and chip away at the compile thing in the background until I learn it
<focus>
arokux: I don't expect anything to be easy if compiling an entire distro!! :)
<focus>
arokux: it takes me days just to compile one package gambas3 into arm linux. Add a few thousand packages... sheesh!
<arokux>
focus, recompoling of ubuntu or debian should be easy, as far you know how is it done
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<arokux2>
focus, may I ask you why you decided to go for linaro-based images first?
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<focus_it>
arokux2: I went for linaro because i hear more good news about it more often
<arokux2>
focus_it, would be interested to read that kind of news if you happen to have the references, if not, later is fine too
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<focus_it>
arokux2: not web news - news from the grape vine
<focus_it>
news from coal face
<arokux2>
focus_it, I see, thanks
<focus_it>
arukux2: YEEEEHAA!!! EOMA boots from SSD in 20 seconds root=/dev/sda1 and remaking boot.scr worked a treat! :)
<focus_it>
arokux2: thanks - now get on with beefing up the distro - any idea how get linaro sources from working bazaar?
<arokux2>
focus_it, congrats!
<arokux2>
focus_it, booting times can be even more with buidroot or the like
<arokux2>
focus_it, less*
<focus_it>
understand - from seeing two penguins to booted desktop is 10 seconds
<arokux2>
focus_it, check out my last e-mail, you seem to need only the git repo with a script for building a rootfs
<focus_it>
to get to that stage its doing a lot of other things including waiting 3 seconds for uboot key press
<focus_it>
ok
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<arokux2>
focus_it, may I ask what the ultimate goal of the hardware is? for what kind of product will it be used?
<focus_it>
arokux2: the company manufactures electrical test equipment
<arokux2>
focus_it, so for some measurement gadget?
<focus_it>
yes - voltage, current, short circuit, insulation and so on
<focus_it>
to make sure equipment is safe to use or that electric cables are wired up in new buildings correctly and so on
<focus_it>
all kinds of gadgets for measuring electricity
<arokux2>
focus_it, ok. I just miss to see why you should be "beefing up" the distro..
<keebler>
Sounds liike it would benefit from my STM32F Carrier Board. :)
<focus_it>
some types of equipment keep asset registers - imagine a big office - you might have 1000 items of electrical gadgets, so you need a full distro to effectively put a PC inside the gadget to manage the assets with all kinds of software
<focus_it>
to say when they are due for testing, what type of tests needed etc
<arokux2>
focus_it, ok, for that you'd need a specialized software. was that what you've meant with beefing up?
<focus_it>
that would be the high end models, the low end models require nothing more than a screen that looks like a mobile phone and a few buttons and reasoably complex menus
<focus_it>
beefing up = gambas3, word processor, spreadsheet, apache server, db, and a few other bits
<arokux2>
focus_it, ah, ok
<arokux2>
focus_it, what are those VGA PCB cards will be used for?
<crazedpsyc>
keebler: cool :) is rhombus building the extra battery stuff, PCI for wifi, etc.? or do you know something else?
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<focus_it>
arokux2: lkcl knows, me help expand ecosystem
<keebler>
crazedpsyc: Yes I know something. :P I'm working on multiple products simultaneously. (In various levels of priorities.)
<crazedpsyc>
ah, you really know something
<keebler>
This first two right now are Thin Client/Carrier Board, and the MicroEngineering Boards.
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<lkcl_>
focus_it: 20 second boot from SSD, not baaaad
<lkcl_>
focus_it: you can set the u-boot wait time in the boot.scr - it's currently set to 3 seconds. there's no reason why it *has* to be 3 seconds :)
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<lkcl_>
arokux2: just a way to test the RGB/TTL, but also VGA is a potential client opportunity, and low-cost.