lkcl changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: arm-netbook: Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - EOMA68 spec http://bit.ly/ZHqfxA - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://bit.ly/XELKJq or http://bit.ly/15OCYPD - For Allwinner/sunxi discussions prefer #linux-sunxi - iMX6 Card http://bit.ly/XAUGCD - Flying Squirrel http://bit.ly/WgOYaR - Allwinner A10/A20 Card http://bit.ly/zBLAbY - http://rhombus-tech.net
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<keebler> lkcl_: Also, do you have any powerpoint presentations prepared that you would like me to present on QiMOD's behalf tomorrow?
<keebler> I don't know if I'll have the chance to get that far into detail, but it never hurts.
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<keebler> focus_it: can I sub the 33uf for a 22uf?
<keebler> nvm
<keebler> Got everything assembled now except the AD7125. :(
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<focus_it> keebler: any cap will do - it goes up if there is shimmering noise on VGA when CPU is working
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<keebler> focus_it: Yeah, I figured, so I went with the 22uf.
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<Vaevictus_> hey guys. So I have two Mele M9 set top boxes on their way from china. googling around it seems the a31 soc hasnt got linux available for it yet, but I found an indiegogo campaign where they show a video of an a31 tablet running ubuntu. I asked the guys running the campaign to provide source but they refused. What gives? do you think they are full of shit to attract people to fund their campaign?
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<keebler> Neal you here? Vaevictus_ they might have refused for fear of canabalizing their work. Not a fan of the A31 at all, and I would abandon it in favor of the A51m coming out soon.
<keebler> Well, not sure when the A51m will come out actually.
<keebler> Ignore A51m. I was wrong on the name.
<keebler> It's a risk of doing opensource + crowdfunding, and I'm not against the practice.
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, they will provide the source once they are selling the product. so you can make your pledge ;)
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, meanwhile you can take advantage of the A31 sdk by Allwinner which is publicly available due to guys from Pengpod, btw.
<keebler> :)
<keebler> arokux1: Btw, are you looking for a full fledged server or just a simple NAS?
<arokux1> keebler, actually all-in-one would be perfect.
<keebler> We've been toying with the idea of using a Marvell SATA Port Multiplier, but not really comfortable with the RAID solutions.
<keebler> for the A20-SoM
<arokux1> keebler, very interesting, since you see there are no such _open_ products on the market.
<Vaevictus_> keebler: ./ arokux1 , so you know these guys doing the pengopod? the ubuntu they are showing running on a31 in a video is not "faked" then? this is great.they do not seem to be doing well on their funding goal though, good luck to them.
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<arokux1> Vaevictus_, yes, these guys talk to us in #linux-sunxi, you may check logs, drachensun is the guy from pengpod.
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, he would like you as a customer very much...
<drachensun> indeed :-)
<drachensun> yeah, its not faked, thats LXDE running
<Vaevictus_> thanks I will check. I will pledge some money - not interested in the tablet but will donate something their direction nonetheless
<drachensun> btw, I'm the pengpod guy
<Vaevictus_> lol ok ;)
<drachensun> ah that vaevictus
<drachensun> thanks I meant
<Vaevictus_> no offense, but you can understand my scepticism
<drachensun> hey, I didn't refuse, we are going to have it up eventually but time, y'know
<Vaevictus_> yeah i understand
<drachensun> I havent been shaving I've got so little time
<drachensun> I will give you a warning about those mele boxes
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<Vaevictus_> im all ears
<drachensun> we got some, thought they might make a good 'light' dev kit
<drachensun> problem is, they don't reflash like the tablets
<drachensun> Mele's method of updating them is with bootable sd cards that run a reflash program
<drachensun> but making bootable SD cards has pretty very difficult for us, so we abandoned using them awhile back
<drachensun> and went to just flashing everything internally
<Vaevictus_> arghhh i kind of assumed they would be like the mele a1000 (ie, piece of piss)
<Vaevictus_> well thanks for the warning. I kinda bought them just because I found a site listing them at crazy low price, got 2 at 44 dollars a piece :0)
<drachensun> wow, thats an A31 model?
<drachensun> I know they have a fix different names for A31 boxes that all look the same to me
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, wow, show the website plz! :)
<Vaevictus_> yeah, a company I buy my ecigarrete stuff listed them, screwed up and listed them waaaaay below the proper price, i managed to snag two before they raised the price back up to 130$
<Vaevictus_> it
<Vaevictus_> the site is fasttech.com but you are too late im afraid
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, :D
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, lucky guy. do you think they will ship to you at that price? (2x44)
<Vaevictus_> they are already shipped, i've received tracking numbers
<Vaevictus_> a couple of people on the xbmc forum also got hold of them at that price and theirs shipped too
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, cool
<drachensun> My mele rep did send me some info about creating the bootable cards
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, btw, there is radxa board with RK3188 if this is interesting for you..
<arokux1> drachensun, could that be published on sunxi.org wiki?
<drachensun> and mripard has been able to make bootable SD cards
<drachensun> I dont see why not
<Vaevictus_> thanks arokux but if I buy any more "useless linux stuff" my wife will make my life even more of a living hell
<drachensun> its in bad engrish if I recall but I didn't try to use it
<drachensun> lol
<arokux1> drachensun, just dump it here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_M9
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, you just sell one of the Mele 9 and buy two radxa boards :D
<drachensun> yeah, I see someone starting writing up creating a card that way but looks like it didn't work
<Vaevictus_> ahhh nice plan!
<arokux1> drachensun, ppl will improve it eventually, or maybe not.. who knows. but this could be useful info.
<arokux1> Vaevictus_, btw, join sunxi.org - ML and IRC. however A31 is not so welcomed there.... so you'd need to send patches by yourself.
<Vaevictus_> drachensun: just pledged 220 bucks
<Vaevictus_> good luck
<arokux1> drachensun, just dump your info and make a notice "it might not work" :)
<drachensun> thanks, we really appreciate it
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<Vaevictus_> one last question drachensun - Im guessing you have no video hardware accelaration on that tablet right?
<drachensun> we have some
<Vaevictus_> i mean VPU not GPU
<drachensun> ah
<drachensun> well the latest cedar stuff from Allwinner supports omx
<Vaevictus_> *cries* why dont they just release the source for cedarx.it must be full of licence infractionns
<drachensun> and so the android SDK is setup to build a standard wrapper library that everything can use under Android
<keebler> arokux1: Yeah, that's the problem (no open RAID/SATA Multplier options).
<keebler> at least no reliable open options
<drachensun> so in Linux you would need libhybris still I think
<drachensun> we tested that with the powervr gpu under nemo/mer
<arokux1> keebler, nobody did RE so far? :(
<drachensun> it works, and got 50 fps on the cinematic demo
<drachensun> I haven't tried to use cedar under linux
<keebler> arokux1: RE?
<drachensun> but from everything we have heard the silicon hasn't changed between the A10 and now for this, so the RE they are doing on the A10 should work as well
<drachensun> Reverse Engineering
<keebler> Oh
<keebler> No, not from us yet, and I haven't seen any notable progress.
<arokux1> keebler, just start a project like lkcl_ did, and in half a year or so you'll have a working driver.
<keebler> Hah. If only I had the time.
<keebler> It's hard enough as it is working 3 jobs and being a full time dad.
<arokux1> :(
<arokux1> keebler, what port multiplier you think is good for A20-SOM, although without a working driver?
<arokux1> keebler, what exact hardware part, I mean.
<keebler> Trying to build up my private company enough so that I can break my two contracts and payback the bonuses.
<keebler> Well, we were looking at the Marvell options, but it's full of NDAs and select OEM distributors. http://www.marvell.com/storage/system-solutions/sata-port-multiplier.jsp
<keebler> That, and no ARM boards use SATA 3.0 to my knowledge.
<keebler> Then there's Silicon Image.
<keebler> Like the Silicon Image Sil3512 for example.
<keebler> But it's only SATA 1.0
<keebler> But "relatively" cheap.
<arokux1> keebler, do you thinks SATA II of A20 will be fast enough?
<keebler> arokux1: Yeah, and doing tests with my EOMA card at 3Gpbs seems to be working great.
<arokux1> think*
<keebler> Needs Gbit. Which I'm working with a vendor now that is developing an A20 + Gbit SoM.
<arokux1> keebler, Ethernet you mean?
<keebler> yes
<keebler> Sorry, I wasn't clear.
<arokux1> keebler, guys from Olimex were having some problems with getting GMAC to work, although guys from Cubietech seems to have the solution
<arokux1> they'll publish patches once the board will go on sale, maybe it could be useful for you.
<keebler> Yeah,
<arokux1> keebler, do you know if one of those actually has a port multiplier hardware in it? http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_kind_of_CPU_does_my_NAS_have
<keebler> The one we're using is 240pin SODIMM
<keebler> SOM
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<keebler> With the RTL8100 on board
<keebler> arokux1: Looking at the wiki you posted.
<keebler> I need a full list of hardware.
<arokux1> keebler, I'm asking because they publish their GPL code: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dsgpl/files/
<keebler> awesome
<arokux1> keebler, maybe there is a driver for a port multiplier buried in them, just a thought.
<keebler> I'm researching
<keebler> By drivers, you mean ARM compatible drivers?
<arokux1> keebler, yes, they are running on ARM SoCs
<keebler> yeah
<keebler> Looking at the DS213J
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<keebler> arokux1: looking at the drivers now
<keebler> The rosewill uses the SiI3132R5
<keebler> I'll go to the hardware store in a few minutes and check it out.
<arokux1> :)
<arokux1> ok
<keebler> hmm
<keebler> looks like the 3132 already has linux support
<keebler> It's a rather old chip
<keebler> sil24.c
<keebler> source
<keebler> hmm. :) Might buy it and try to roll some magic.
<keebler> I wonder what the DS213J is using.
<arokux1> keebler, and not DS213air?
<keebler> It's $170
<keebler> Anyway, that Rosewill RS5 I posted is SATAII and supports upto 5 HDDs and has Linux Support already
<arokux1> keebler, so cheap..
<arokux1> why DS213J?
<keebler> Either or, best chance devices to maintain ARMv7 support and reverse engineer if needed.
<arokux1> keebler, this is diff to the corresponding vanilla kernel I've shown to you on github
<arokux1> keebler, http://sprunge.us/gMdb?diff
<arokux1> keebler, no sata drivers, just some setup boiler plate
<keebler> sweet
<keebler> AWESOME. Very encouraging.
<arokux1> keebler, can you spot which driver they use for multiplication?
<arokux1> keebler, from boot log
<keebler> Hmm.. looking, I do see it's ARMv5, iirc, and also looks like Scott mentioned it too, ARMv5 support was removed from mainline?
<keebler> hmm raid6
<arokux1> keebler, no idea.
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<keebler> still looking for more info
<arokux1> keebler, the products from Synology are either ARMv5 or Intel Atom
<arokux1> keebler, the most recent ones
<keebler> THey have ARMv7
<keebler> in the DS213j
<arokux1> keebler, ah, true.
<keebler> hence my focus
<keebler> on it
<arokux1> keebler, I see. anyway, a port multiplier driver shouldn't be arch dependent
<keebler> Well, no, and taking my SI3132 refernce, it's already available.
<keebler> Just can't tell what the DS211j is using
<arokux1> keebler, "no" -- you think port multiplier is in the SoC?
<arokux1> keebler, sorry I didn't get why port multiplier driver should be arch dependent.
<keebler> That's what I'm trying to decifer.
<keebler> RMv5 support was removed from mainline?
<keebler> ack
<keebler> ignore
<keebler> [ 7.705957] brd: module loaded
<keebler> [ 7.709683] sata_mv sata_mv.0: cannot get optional clkdev
<keebler> [ 7.715186] sata_mv sata_mv.0: slots 32 ports 2
<keebler> [ 7.721303] scsi0 : sata_mv
<keebler> [ 7.724495] scsi1 : sata_mv
<keebler> [ 7.727592] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 irq 21
<keebler> [ 7.731713] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 irq 21
<keebler> prior to that is [ 5.663796] synology_hdd_powerup: HDD1 powering up
<keebler> [ 5.672595] bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0
<keebler> [ 5.838438] raid6: int32x1 101 MB/s
<arokux1> keebler, yes, this is from line 458 here: http://sprunge.us/gMdb?diff
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<keebler> Hmm, the Kirkwood: MV88F6281-A1 has two onboard SATA interfaces
<keebler> no port multiplying going on
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<arokux1> mainline
<arokux1> keebler, but they need something for 4xbay boxes
<arokux1> keebler, but DS*4*13j means 4xbay, so there should be port multiplier inside?
<keebler> arokux1: Yes, if you can get me the dmesg of the D413j
<arokux1> keebler, :)
<arokux1> sorry, I do not own it.
<arokux1> keebler, gotta go now.
<arokux1> bye
<keebler> Only thing that might be an issue. is that if it is using some sort of port multiplication, it could be on the PCIe bus.
<keebler> hasta luego
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<arokux2> keebler, any new findings?
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