<lundman>
i have steam beta. but it is for osx so probably doesnt carry across :)
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<Turl>
mnemoc: I'm really late to the conversation, but poor mips :(
<Turl>
mnemoc: I'm learning MIPS asm, way less braindead than x86 :)
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<sky770>
Hi all
<sky770>
any news on the Cedar X VPU front?
* sky770
wonders if anyone's home..? :|
<lundman>
no.
<sky770>
BAHAHA..very funny lundman (lmao nice nick :D )
<sky770>
anyone having hardware acceleration on ubuntu/lubuntu with full X on ?
<sky770>
am talking about 1080p GPU HW acc. :D
<lundman>
what the
<lundman>
its my name! :)
* sky770
facepalm :D
<lundman>
I think everyone is voting, or something
* sky770
feels zzzZZZ..over here
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<sky770>
hey effem
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<sky770>
yo lundman
<sky770>
where you from?
<sv>
sky770, last i remember reading, armhf libs were released for cedarx
<sv>
not sure if work was put into it yet though
<lundman>
like, originally? long time ago? sweden
<sky770>
Yeah Sv, even I have had a look at the github pages
<sv>
i,ve tried to find out more
<sv>
but the infos are scarce
<sky770>
yep :|
<sky770>
I thought someone around here might have a clue/fix on that..so.. :D
<sky770>
Oh sweden! lundman that's a pretty country you're from :)
<lundman>
not after I left it!
<lundman>
hah
<sky770>
Sv, I suppose guys at Pivos DS have figured it out atleast for their XBMC coz they are using the A10 boxpack :)
<sky770>
lundamn meeh :D
<sv>
yeah i saw that
<sky770>
lundman meeh :D
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<sky770>
Its all about $$ nowadays.. damn :(
<lundman>
A10 boxpack?
<sky770>
the Allwinner tech's A10 SoC :) a cortex A8 based SoC
<sky770>
bahaha :D its the chinese SoC crap that got us here :D
<sky770>
oh btw' amlogic's 8726 came up pretty good but now the chinese firms are aware of the open source drivers/src that amlogic gave up and thats a threat to the ultra cheap allwinner's A10 SoC
<rellla>
mnemoc: saw it already. this could be interesting for empat0 - he's xbmca10-man. hopefully he noticed this repo. next i try to compile willswangs wrapper.
<mnemoc>
it would be also awesome if that libcedarx could be refactored to not include the closed libs
<mnemoc>
but the author ignred my request :|
<mnemoc>
a git submodule maybe
<mnemoc>
but it's kind of risky to include files with unclear license in open source trees
<rellla>
this libcedarx is only a wrapper around the closed binarys, right? so nothing new on open driver front? so whats the alternative to closed libs at this time?
<mnemoc>
we have no alternative to closed libs
<mnemoc>
I only mean to decouple the free code from the closed libs, repo-wise
<mnemoc>
even if we inevitably need to link against the closed libs
<andoma>
cedarx is just a memory allocator
<andoma>
strictly it's not even needed
<mnemoc>
the last libs use a different allocator lib
<andoma>
libve (which is what's closed) only needs a few function pointer for it to help allocate memory and communicate with hardware
<slapin_>
mnemoc: how it is even possible to get non-android libs for video? is there some connections with AllWinner?
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<mnemoc>
slapin_: yes, hipboi
<slapin_>
that's really awesome
<mnemoc>
it's not easy, but we have debian/ubuntu armel and armhf cedarx libs thanks to him
<rellla>
ok. so new libcedarx should better refer to /use closed libs in linux-sunxi/cedar-libs tree and binarys can be sorted out of that repo. and whats the main goal of this wrapper? creating a wrapping-library that all apps (vlc, xbmc, mplayer ...) can base on?
<mnemoc>
rellla: having a good-api wrapping library around the closed libs is a good thing... but ideally it should be made in the form for a libva driver
<mnemoc>
and taking the closed libraries from an external/submodule
<rellla>
because most apps can handle libva already?
<rellla>
anybody here, knowing or using http://www.tvdr.de? <-can stream to xbmc
<rellla>
it would be awesome, to get vdr running on a10. but there's no output device for a10 atm.
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<Maqs>
rellla: vdr + xbmc (with pvr addons) should work
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<rellla>
Maqs: yes, i streamed already ;-) but for me, xbmc is too oversized. i don't need music,video,scraping etc.
<Maqs>
tvheadend and showtime, once andoma releases it to the public ;-)
<Maqs>
that is.. the a10-version of showtime..
<rellla>
Maqs: there even are some successful attemps to get vdr running on rpi - without xbmc.
<andoma>
i think tvheadend should run fine on rpi
<Maqs>
i had tvheadend + xbmc on the pi
<andoma>
don't see why it would not work on a10 out of the box
<Maqs>
andoma: i mean showtime ;)
<andoma>
Yeah that still WIP :)
<Maqs>
i don't want xbmc, as it is just to big, slow etc.
<Maqs>
btw, is there a trick to get showtime working with tvheadend on another host?
<andoma>
if you have avahi installed they will find each other
<andoma>
otherwise you can just type htsp://ip.address.of.tvheadend in showtime's search box
<andoma>
and once opened you can bookmark it
<andoma>
lunch .. bbl
<rellla>
didn't use tvheadend nor showtime. tvheadend<-backend, showtime<-frontend like xbmc, but mor lightweight?
<rellla>
right?
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<Maqs>
thanks
<Maqs>
rellla: right
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<Maqs>
and it supports anything else that's important for me.. and, surprise, superb spotify integration
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<hno>
stefanro, ok, PHY power mystery solved. It's always powered on Cubieboard so no need for powering it on via GPIO there. But needed on other boards.
<lundman>
ah interesting
<mnemoc>
hno: got corrected schematics? or only that particular answer?
<mnemoc>
ah, ok. saw the reply
<stefanro>
hno: thx for the notice
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<hno>
Hackberry need PH19 set. Mele another pin. Now just need to figure out best place for that info.
<mnemoc>
boards.cfg ?
<hno>
Yes that's a primary candidate.
<lundman>
isnt it in script.bin?
<mnemoc>
and when defined empty meaning, has ethernet but no phy power
<lundman>
guess you dont want uboot to read it
<mnemoc>
lundman: script.bin is not read by uboot
<mnemoc>
and we need to fix the kernel driver to not ignore the phy power gpio
<mnemoc>
if the field is set, it has to be used
<hno>
The kernel is ignoring it?
<Turl>
PHY_POWER is defined to 0 iirc
<mnemoc>
exactly
<mnemoc>
blame lundman :p
<hno>
So just set that to 1. iirc the code should handle blank value correct.
<mnemoc>
that code needs to be refactored to use the existance of of emac_power as reference
<hno>
From what I can tell it should just work. But might want to silent an KERN_ERR printk when not set or blank.
<libv>
(it's been 5ys since i last dealt with it myself)
<Turl>
libv: I know a thing or two, haven't touched it for like one or two years though
<Turl>
what bits would you want to package?
<mnemoc>
x11 stuff is specially important
<libv>
currently looking at the mali binaries
<libv>
as they are missing headers
<libv>
which i am about to add
<mnemoc>
libv: we have "read to use" git repos for those
<mnemoc>
with headers, patches, and stuff
<libv>
mnemoc: gl headers?
<mnemoc>
made by rz2k
<mnemoc>
i believe so, but haven't looked myself
<libv>
not in mali-libs
<mnemoc>
there is a libump repo, xf86-video-mali and another mali one I don't remember
<mnemoc>
rz2k knows
<libv>
libump does not contain, for instance, egl.h
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<libv>
anyway, i am experimenting around a bit as to how i can get some of the lima tests building and running on mali libs + fb
<libv>
i will manually install these headers (which seem pretty universal - as ARM does not provide them with their own GL extensions)
<libv>
this to verify whether there is a viable path that way
<libv>
if so, then others definitely will want to have these headers installed as well
<mnemoc>
shouldn't we add these headers to the mali-libs repo?
<libv>
yes, they should be added there
<mnemoc>
you can push access ;-)
<libv>
together with a Makefile to install things properly into the os
<mnemoc>
but try to keep the structure, so we don't kill the integration the xbmc people is using
<libv>
the best solution also adds debian packaging on top
<mnemoc>
and .rpm probably :p
<mnemoc>
but that is another story
<mnemoc>
there are some fedora/opensuse fellows around
<Turl>
rpm still exists? :P
<Turl>
j/k, not wanting to start a flamewar :)
<libv>
with all .debs created per architecture, with each providing a general target which the -devel package (egl/gl headers) depending on the general target
<libv>
i do not know anything about rpm, even though i worked at suse for a bit :)
<libv>
and even though i use suse as my main desktop
<mnemoc>
1) Makefile and .h in mali-libs, 2) .deb, 3) ...
<libv>
but yeah, if people are willing to do the work, of course
<libv>
yup
<libv>
but let me first get to the stage where some lima egl tests are running
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<Turl>
this AN7G3 GPL release has more goodix touch drivers
<Turl>
and the ctp_platform_ops.h is different
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<rz2k>
(this is most likely are not compatible with Linaro's versions, so it will stay away from linux-sunxi branches)
<mnemoc>
not pushed to linux-sunxi orga?
<mnemoc>
ok
<mnemoc>
append .patch and link them from the wiki ;-)
<rellla>
what is the main goal of the linaro-images in general? i don't understand the advantages?! i mostly do everyhing on debian...
<mnemoc>
we do hwpacks, not images
<mnemoc>
upon the hwpack you can add any rootfs
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<gx260>
Going to compile the kernel for my A13 tablet. What config would be the best to use?
<mnemoc>
if android a13_nuclear_defconfig, if linux a13_
<mnemoc>
defconfig
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<mnemoc>
rz2k: can't the code be made support both versions of xorg?
<rz2k>
no
<rz2k>
they've changed the api
<rellla>
mnemoc: possibly i meant linaro-rootfs.
<rellla>
many people ever talk about "i use linaro to....", "i have a linaro system", tom compiled the mali libs on "linaro", too. did they only mean the rootfs?
<mnemoc>
yes
<rz2k>
Tom compiled mali libs on ubuntu-arm
<gx260>
Thanks! I tried this one but would not compile. sun4i_defconfig
<mnemoc>
sun4i = A10
<mnemoc>
rellla: linaro does the arm port of ubuntu
<mnemoc>
so ubuntu-arm and linaro/ubuntu are the same
<libv>
rz2k: those differences are X version dependant
<libv>
rz2k: i think it is dave's massive api breakage
<libv>
rz2k: there must be ways to work around this at build time
<mnemoc>
libv: any suggested #ifdef ?
<libv>
i would have to spend some time finding that myself
<libv>
check the trees of "upstream" drivers
<rz2k>
thats why I gave up for now, will dig there at weekend
<libv>
or check the api/abi version, or xorg version
<libv>
there must be several routes in this case
<mnemoc>
#if XORG_VERSION > 112 :p
<libv>
something like that, yes
<libv>
but there must be something more succinct than that
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<gx260>
ok, seems to be ok now. Thanks!
<mnemoc>
hno: anything we can do to solve that "confusion" without restructing the mali driver?
<mnemoc>
gx260: it has a good side effect, your tree is always clean ;-)
<mnemoc>
gx260: keep using O= for now
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<sequence>
Does anyone have a recommendation for a cheap ARM-based device that has ethernet, SATA and USB support? I just bought a Cubieboard, is there something cheaper out there?
<sequence>
It was like $50 USD
<hno>
mnemoc, find where that / is. $(...)/drivers should be $(...)drivers somewhere.
<mnemoc>
hno: ah, cool. I thought it was about levels, not a double /
<hno>
a stray /, not double.
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<hno>
mnemoc, mali Kbuild files looks overly complicated and odd..