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<penguin42> slapin: xkcd.org knows all
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<slapin> facepalm
* slapin have an idea on how to make proper buffered reads of NAND on a1x in u-boot
<slapin> hno: are you here?
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* slapin will forget everything as he wakes up
<Marex> slapin: speak :p
<slapin> Marex: we can use command-based approach, when buffer reads will remember which command was executed before
<slapin> Marex: so real execution of large reads will be in buffer reads, not command execution, so the callback will only remember which command to execute but will not actually execute it
<slapin> that's enough for me to remember tomorrow
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<niftylettuce> should we _only_ buy mk802 ii that are labeled as "Rikomagic"?
<hp__> i want to buy the quad core arm from hiapad
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<hp__> :)
<niftylettuce> hp__: ?
<niftylettuce> hp__: fancy, but does it run ubuntu etc? has already been ported/supported?
<rz2k> hp__: they didnt release it yet
<orly_owl> but its not allwinner
<rz2k> freescale lifted NDA this week
<orly_owl> really? cool
<rz2k> so expect 1month+ to manufacture enough units
<orly_owl> all documentation is publicly available?
<rz2k> orly_owl: yes, i.MX6 docs are available, check cnx-soft blog
<orly_owl> yayyyy
<orly_owl> maybe they saw how well allwinner is doing or something
<niftylettuce> i wonder how much markup that is for 89$
<rz2k> niftylettuce: i.MX6 is supported by Linaro, but dont expect things to go well just from the begining, some tweaks will be needed
<niftylettuce> rz2k: yea 6 mo. after release price will drop drastically
<niftylettuce> man, for price of a nexus 7 tablet u could buy a mk802 with a 40"+ LED lol
<rz2k> lol
<orly_owl> but the tablet is easier to carry =p
<niftylettuce> they dont listen to foreigner in that video much /cc hp__
<rz2k> anyway I want to get some i.MX6 devices to play with, they should perform very well if the god damn reference manual for i.mx6 is 5600 pages :p
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<rz2k> orly_owl: yeah. that one, he posted it on 16 november or so
<niftylettuce> rz2k: link to manual?
<rz2k> freescale.com
<rz2k> :p
<niftylettuce> cnx site not working for me
<niftylettuce> o wait nvm working now
<niftylettuce> hmm, $20/yr membership?
<niftylettuce> thats odd
<niftylettuce> oh i see how this work :)
<niftylettuce> clever clever
<niftylettuce> rz2k: are you person interviewing?
<niftylettuce> or is it Nicolas ?
<rz2k> no, thats not me, armdevices is Charbax blog/shop, he often puts great videos on youtube and looks like he often gets to China.
<hp__> niftylettuce: but it looks like a fast puppy doesn't it..
<niftylettuce> hp__: yeah but is it true about him meeting Sergey?
<hp__> no idea :)
<niftylettuce> hp__: clever marketing lol
<hp__> niftylettuce: on charbax webshot it says.. Delayed again.. darn
<niftylettuce> hp__: ??? what you mean
<hp__> aren't we talking about i.MX6 Quad-core HDMI Stick?
<niftylettuce> hp__: no i saw that about being delayed again, i see what you mean, yes i understand
<niftylettuce> hp__: i watched second video here http://armdevices.net/membership-signup/ -- he mentioned he met Sergey Brin
<hp__> niftylettuce: but if it runs ubuntu yeah it would be very nice to try that one :)
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<niftylettuce> hp__: any good retailer you recommend for mk 802 ii? eBay?
<hp__> hmm i bought a mk 802 from riko :)
<hp__> i gave it to my father in law as a pressent :) he is happy :)
<niftylettuce> hp__: hmm not sure of rebrands and not labeled as Riko
<hp__> niftylettuce: i have no idea about that
<niftylettuce> hp__: how much did u pay for urs for present to father in law?
<hp__> niftylettuce: prolly between $60-$80 i payed.. prolly back in march
<niftylettuce> hp__: is that cheapest u find?
<hp__> niftylettuce: i didn't really look :) but amazon popped it up :)
<hp__> but dunno if it runs ubuntu
<niftylettuce> hp__: not as supported since SoC is rock based
<niftylettuce> closed
<hp__> niftylettuce: are you sure? :)
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<niftylettuce> hp__: those were leaked not released
<niftylettuce> hp__: said some pieces of code "missing"
<RITRedbeard> niftylettuce, are those clones or real?
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: checking now
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<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: mk802 ii has power protect circuit, esd, turn off/on
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: those appear to be different versions than mk802ii
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: those are most likely MK802+
<RITRedbeard> I see that. Cool.
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: if you know of seller let me know
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: several on aliexpress but havent yet used that site so not certain i want to
<RITRedbeard> If I see or can confirm, I will.
<RITRedbeard> Relevant or because they were mizled?
<RITRedbeard> bad reviews?
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: talks about pulling from TV and then having to reset device or something?
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: not sure if those people are competent
<RITRedbeard> well, there is no reset or on or off, you have to remove power, yeah.
<RITRedbeard> You have to remember the cheaper a computing device is, the dumber the masses get (see Raspberry Pi).
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: i think MK802iii has on/off
<RITRedbeard> if the II is just the version with 1GB, I doubt it has a switch
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<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: reading of some users with MK802 iii that say that powering with USB instead of with USB to AC wall input will cause device to reboot and not charge it
<RITRedbeard> You didn't link to the III
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<rz2k> if USB port can supply 5v 0.5A (default usb2.0 rating) it will be fine
<niftylettuce> rz2k: /cc ^
<niftylettuce> rz2k: guess you were correct :)
<niftylettuce> back of receiver probably just an input, not meant to charge
<rz2k> just keep in mind that like 90% of devices tend to forget about standards, one uf USB ports on my notebook cant power up external HDD
<rz2k> of*
<RITRedbeard> That's not A10
<niftylettuce> RITRedbeard: that is MK802 iii
<niftylettuce> aka ug802 or whatever
<niftylettuce> some users say MK802 go up in smoke /cc rz2k RITRedbeard
<rz2k> lol
<rz2k> first versions of mk802 had no vent. holes, A10 simply overheated at heavy tasks
<RITRedbeard> It's not Allwinner based but it still uses Mali
<RITRedbeard> interesting
<rz2k> newer mk802ii and mk802 latest revisions have this fixed
<niftylettuce> rz2k: should I look for particular mk802ii features or description?
<niftylettuce> rz2k: i want to make sure i buy right, newer improved mk802 ii
<rz2k> you are safe now, those are sold out anyways
<niftylettuce> d
<niftylettuce> /cc RITRedbeard ** ^
<niftylettuce> id like to find for ~$40USD
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<niftylettuce> also why does it have hole on top, that is microphone? what is purpose?...
<niftylettuce> hidden onboard communicator to send packets of audio signal ;)?
<niftylettuce> BIOS :D
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<hno> slapin, exactly what I tried proposing before. See tegra driver.
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<slapin> hi, all!
<slapin> do anybody remembers where debian stores their archives of older packages?
<slapin> I need gmp3 for wheezy, which was removed
<slapin> hno: not for all commands, only for buffered reads
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<jelly-home> slapin: snapshot.debian.org
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<slapin> jelly-home: thanks a lot!
<slapin> hno: I haven't seen your proposal
<slapin> hno: I want to do it for buffered read and write
<slapin> hno: also, there is some way for us to properly configure NANC chip, there is different mode of NAND configuration: CONFIG_SYS_NAND_SELF_INIT (see doc/README.nand)
<slapin> hno: I mean properly configure NAND controller for that particular chip
<slapin> hno: for stuff to look clear we can redeclare ecc functions, since we will do it anyway for ecc.
<slapin> hno: when we can have a bit of chat regarding our controller, I want to update my in-head and written documentation, I mean more or less low-latency chat, but quick (like, 10-15 minutes)?
<slapin> rz2k: first mk802's had no PMU and no heatsinks, vent holes are here in place, but useless anyway.
<niftylettuce> slapin: so no mk802 ii nor iii, what do u recommend?
<niftylettuce> rz2k: ^ /cc same ? to you
<slapin> niftylettuce: disclaimer: my taste is quite perverted, and I'm not end user. I recommend mk802ii (A10-based).
<niftylettuce> slapin: for what reasons?
<niftylettuce> i cant find photo of inside of mk802ii anywhere
<niftylettuce> only mk802iii
<slapin> niftylettuce: all my mk802 clones do have heatsinks (alluminium plate glued to the components with some white glue)
<niftylettuce> slapin: where did u purchase clones from?
<niftylettuce> slapin: what do u think of ug007 or mx1?
<niftylettuce> i heard ug802 or w/e is bad
<niftylettuce> and ug802 === mk802
<niftylettuce> found this http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=688#p3925 but it doesnt detail mk802ii specs
<slapin> niftylettuce: http://ossfans.org/mk802_1G/ - a crappy clone, but dissected
<slapin> niftylettuce: antennas are the same crap
<slapin> niftylettuce: if replaced by decent chip antenna, or soldered external antenna, will be good
<niftylettuce> slapin: how can i figure out which "generation" it is?
<slapin> niftylettuce: dunno, all look the same to me
<niftylettuce> slapin: why is that antenna so damn big? lol
<slapin> niftylettuce: different PCB design, all newer have axp209 and 1GB of memory
<slapin> niftylettuce: it is damn cheap, the size is not an issue here
<slapin> niftylettuce: compare to your router antenna
<slapin> niftylettuce: replace by good chip antenna, you will have nice and small one (but still on wires due to board design)
<niftylettuce> slapin: found this http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/134922319/T2JAKvXi0bXXXXXXXX_!!134922319.jpg
<niftylettuce> slapin: that is mk802 ii "3rd generation"
<niftylettuce> is "3rd generation" the best generation or latest?
<niftylettuce> or would it refer to mk802 ii "3rd generation" since it goes mk802, mk802+, and then mk802ii lol
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<slapin> niftylettuce: dunno
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<hno> slapin, I am available if you are around.
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<hno> u-boot changes submitted for mainline review.
<RaYmAn> awesome :)
<hno> Some 25 patches in total in current split.
<hno> And ofcourse the main patch got goofed up in juggling between trees.
<RaYmAn> got a link to the ml post handy? :) (if not, I'll go hunting ;))
<RaYmAn> nevermind, got it :)
<hno> It's on the u.boot ml somewhere. Should be the last thread.
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<hg_5> hello
<hno> hi hg_5
<hg_5> hi hno
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<oliv3r> libv: around by any chance?
<oliv3r> libv: I just soldered together a transistor and some resistors to combine hsync and vsync to connect my vga connector to my RGB capable sony tv. I've setup a 768x576 interlaced PAL modeline (interlace -hsync -vsync (15.6 kHz), it all looks good, but I read 'back in the day' you needed some patches for certain drivers. How do I know if it picked up what I expect it to do? (before I turn on my tv and see it blow up)
<libv> oliv3r: "some patches" would've not needed any extra electronics
<oliv3r> i'm trying to find where I read it. I know that ati can do composite sync optionally
<oliv3r> that's where i saw it, something called 'frame rate control'
<oliv3r> or maybe that was not it
<oliv3r> so I can turn my tv on now and see if it actually worked ;)
<oliv3r> oh ait, no on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RGB_Scart it says 'requires intel xserver patch in order to enable interlacing and low dot clock support.'
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<libv> oliv3r: what exact tv make and model is this?
<oliv3r> Exact? SOny ... gimme a sec :p
<oliv3r> Sony Trinitron is all it says, I know it has 2 scart connectors and i can use the input key to switch between various modes, composite and rgb in
<oliv3r> i doubt the exact model is written on the back
<libv> so it is an actual CRT?
<oliv3r> oh yeah
<oliv3r> it's probably around 10-15 years old I guess
<oliv3r> could be a little less, but not much
<libv> oliv3r: what board is this?
<oliv3r> onboard intel 82945G/GZ (rev 02)
<libv> because i'd rather doubt that this will just work with our current pile of crap
<libv> oh
<oliv3r> it's old (tm)
<libv> i thought you were talking about our disp driver
<oliv3r> nah, sorry, was digging into your prior CRT knowledge :)
<libv> hook, it up, xrandr your way into interlaced and a pal mode
<oliv3r> its hooked with the above modline entered into xorg, based from the logs, it looks fine
<oliv3r> so gonna turn it on now
<libv> if it fails, talk to the intel guys :)
<oliv3r> lol
<libv> it's their driver, what did you expect me to say?
<oliv3r> you have more experience then me, so anything goes really :)
<oliv3r> but it doesn't work :(
<oliv3r> just as expected really
<oliv3r> i really should get a new tv for the bedroom :S
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<oliv3r> i think i'd require the intel xserver patch they mention. I hoped that was integrated or worked in :S
<oliv3r> i went with the VGA -> scart route, because the ati videocard i initially had in, put out some garbage on its tv-out mode
<oliv3r> image was recognizable, but green
<oliv3r> but it doesn't majorly matter, I did order a melee a1000g to be used on the upstairs tv :)
<oliv3r> and the a1000g does have proper composite out
<oliv3r> don't think it does svideo out though :S
<mnemoc> hdmi, rca and vga
<rm> aren't there passive converters from RCA to S-Video
<oliv3r> yeah, i think the chip does do svideo though
<oliv3r> RCA is a connector type
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<oliv3r> i'm sure you ment composite-video or Component :p
<rm> yeah I mean composite to s-video
<oliv3r> nah, s-video is composite +luminance basically
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<oliv3r> or rather, chroma and luma seperated
<oliv3r> composite combines those
<libv> oliv3r: join the #intel-gfx or somesuch channel and ask there
<slapin> hno: hrer?
<slapin> *here
<slapin> hno: here?
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<slapin> hno: I will be back here at 22:22 (MSK time, 19:22 UTC), that is in 3 hours, since I was sent to get some shopping done...
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<hno> slapin, I am here mostly, but have my head buried in u-boot patch cleanup and taking care of a kid. Yell when you are around and hopefully I'll notice.
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<vinifm_> 8250-sunxi.c not have uart_ops, this case is not supported read() and write()?
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<slapin> hno: ping
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<slapin> hno: ping
<slapin> hno: ping
<slapin> hno: ping
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<slapin> hno: please check mail
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<hno> slapin, sorry, fell asleep.
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<hno> slapin, don't seem to find any new email from you.
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